 We're ready. Okay. Hi everybody. Welcome. Welcome to Brain Club. I'm Mel Hauser. I use she, they pronouns and I'm the executive director of all brains belong. Let me get you oriented into our topic, changing your story. So brain club of course is our weekly very intentionally created education space for the collective all brains belong community for purpose of providing education about neurodiversity and related topics of inclusion. Just to name that this is not for medical or mental health advice. It's also not a support group. All brains belong does offer all of those things in additional in other programs, but this one is for education purposes only. All forms of participation are okay here at brain club as many of you have figured out you can have your video on or off and even if it's on we don't expect anything of you we certainly do not need you to like sit still or look at the camera or any other neuro normative thing. So feel free to walk, move, fidget, eat, stim, take breaks, whatever, whatever needs doing. Everyone's welcome and however you are comfortable participating again you know including observation is a completely valid form of participation. No one's going to ask you questions or anything like that my goodness. So we just want to create space for everyone to participate in their own way. If you are sharing your ideas during brain club and how it'll work is that we have a couple of prerecorded videos from past brain clubs that will watch first, and we'll have the conversation going on in the chat box. Optionally, as we as we watch and then we'll have plenty of time for discussion to follow. If you, if you are sharing your ideas, you are welcome to do so with mouth words, typing in the chat box really whatever whatever works best for you. And the chat, especially during the during watching videos kind of runs in parallel to what's happening on the screen. I may read out selections from time to time but you know if it's if it's moving faster than you know is is like meaningful and engaging to you like feel free to just close it and the main the main the main ideas happening here on the screen. Here to be we all believe that there's no one correct type of brain or body and that's from the premise of our programs here. And it's really important to us that we queue safety to all people by affirming all aspects of identity and making sure that everyone feels included. We do have direct messaging turned on so if there's ever anything that you need or anything especially you know particularly if you feel excluded in any way please send a direct message to me so that we can take action on that. It's really important that that really the collective access needs of the group really do take priority over other individual types of needs so we try to facilitate brain club and a really intentional way to queue safety to all people. We create a space where people can collectively learn and learn and feel safe right from the very first time experiencing in many cases something that is different from the quote outside world. And as one of our community members describe brain club to have a place where I'm not masking. I'm not acting and I'm not spending over half my mental energy asking what they expect of me. I don't have that anywhere else. So thank you for being here today and for being part of brain club. I will also share that that we as always are continuing to look to grow our spread the word team to help spread the word about brain club and other other free community programs. And Sarah do you think you can put in the chat the spread the word sign up form if anybody does want to participate in sharing social media posts a couple times a week that'd be amazing. All right, last bit of access close captioning is enabled you just have to toggle it on if you'd like to use it. So depending on your version of zoom you might see the live transcript close captioning icon, but if not look for the more dot dot dot and choose show subtitles. You can also do the same and choose side subtitles if you want to turn them off. And that's my visual support to remember to open the chat box and now I'll see it if anybody's using it. Okay. So, we are continuing our December theme brain club greatest hits revisiting some of the themes that our staff thought were the most salient themes that we've reflected on often many times throughout the year with the idea that as time goes by that these themes land differently as we as we have new experiences and insights. And very excited that we have an extra December brain club. This weekend this Sunday is our second annual virtual New Year's Eve celebration and as I know many of you already signed up that's awesome. We'd love, we'd love for everyone to join us for virtual New Year's Eve. In addition to a new year's themed brain club as they'll be zoom breakout rooms with activities for all ages, including live performances by Rajni Eddin's poppy's planet, Barry me and Todd Gevry. So again we'd love, we'd love for you to join us. And changing your story wouldn't be by this. So I, I'd say one of the things that I am most proud of about our work here at offerings belong is is the opportunity that we have this, the privilege, the opportunity to bear witness to something really special. And that is the idea that when people, particularly people who have been forwarded by the system, who have been misunderstood, excluded, invalid, like all the things. So, so people have a narrative that is formed when you have those kinds of experiences. When people come together here, and they can act with other people who get it. Something happens. And I think it's, it's stories that we hear like, you know, a brain club for example, on community panels we see these themes right of people who say that there's something requiring language to understand your own experience. And you acquire that language by having your experiences reflected back to you through the stories of other people, which is what allows many people to then have a new understanding of themselves of their life of having a different lens for understanding what has been hard, and, and why things have been in certain ways. And so that shift of one's self narrative, a shift of, of, of what someone then begins to believe is possible, because of that shift in narrative, like, that's I think some of the most powerful work we do here. And I'm going to share some quotes from some ABB community members, except I did not share screen before I went to full screen mode. Here we go. Try again. For me, the first step to rewriting my story was realizing that I didn't need to keep it hidden anymore. My story was safe with people who get it. Another person shared rewriting my story has been like peeling back the layers of an onion. So much internalized ableism to unpack. Unlearning alongside others has made the process a lot easier for me. Another person shared I'm grateful for brain flow. I get to come in the way that works for me, and I'm learning to have more grace with myself. And I think this is the last one. Can you imagine what your story would be like if you learned about your brain at age five instead of decades later. It's essential that we teach all kids about their brains. I could not agree more. So what we're going to do is we're going to watch a couple of video clips from past brain clubs. And particularly we chose a couple of clips from past book chats. So as many of you know throughout 2023 we've done a number of book chats where we we reflected on themes of books even books that that most participants had not read because there's no right way to reflect on a book turns out. So we're going to we're going to first begin with a clip from the book. We're not broken by Eric Garcia. Take it away. There's an autistic journalist, who is the senior Washington correspondent for the independence is political journalist previously has held additional high profile positions for the Washington Post and other lead publications. And what this book is about is Mr Garcia discusses examples of systems that were not designed with autistic people in mind sound familiar healthcare education employment. And we in just a minute will watch a brief video interview with Eric Garcia talking about rewriting the narrative of autism. And then after that clip will watch Mr Garcia discussing some examples in the book he goes into many more examples than he does in the video clip that that will play. But but he writes quite a bit about what we talk a lot about during brain club, which is intersectional privilege and intersectional marginalization, and gives examples and interviews with with people who are autistic and marginalized because of race gender class employment status social isolation. And with that. I want to stop share. And David you can take it away. And in fact you now that I've introduced both video clips David you can play them back to back and and cut down on the steps of cognitive switching for all for you and me. There we go. What I would say to parents who feel that autism needs to be fixed is we do not tell children in real chairs that they need to walk. We don't tell deaf children that they need to learn how to hear they need a culture. We don't tell blind children that they need to see. But for some reason when it comes to developmental disabilities we assume that we need to change or alter that in order for them to deserve an education in order for them to deserve being treated as a human being. And what we need to say is that autistic people are fully formed human beings as is they are not partially human and that being autistic is part of them. It's not something that afflicts them. It defines how they see and live and interact with the world. I think it was today on my way to the office. I'm in New York City right now. And I had to think about how do I get to the office. How did I deal with all the stimuli going on with the sound of the car horns and cars wasn't buying people walking past me. It is an integral part in my day. I think about it constantly with how I move and interact with the world. So in the same way I am asking able-bodied people and able-minded people to keep autistic people in mind and be understanding and accepting because that takes oddly enough a lot less work than trying to change autistic people. I think the most important thing to recognize is that plenty of autistic people of color go on diagnosed or get misdiagnosed. Plenty of black autistic children are misdiagnosed as having a behavioral disorder. And if you're misdiagnosed as having a behavioral disorder then schools are going to treat you differently. And they're not going to give you the same kind of services that maybe a white presenting child might have. In the same respect a lot of there's a lot of the diagnostic criteria is still delivered with white male autistic children in mind. So as a result a lot of children from English as a second language homes are avoided. On top of that plenty of girls are overlooked or people who are assigned female at birth. They're often overlooked. And I think that often prevents them from getting the right services that they need. And on top of that I think because for a long time we tend to think of autistic traits as something that boys have when it comes to girls that they're quiet or they're not a socially interactive. We tend to think about oh they're just a mirror or they're just you know a quiet girl or if they talk too much then oh you're just a chatty girl. In the same respect I think when it comes to the LGBTQ plus community and I say this is assisted or heterosexual male. I think a lot of times their needs aren't taken seriously. A lot of times they are dismissed simply because they're autistic or their identity is dismissed because how could they know what they want if they're autistic. But I think once again their needs deserve to be taken seriously or what their desires and what their plans are should be taken seriously and should be taken at face value. On top of that I think the other thing you need to remember is that this diagnosis and a lack of diagnosis has a cost. Plenty of girls who get diagnosed later have difficulties with eating disorders or have trouble with interpersonal violence later on. And that's not to blame the girls to say that if you don't understand how you move through the world and how you're disabled that can lead to people really bad people taking advantage. And on top of that with many people of color who get misdiagnosed or undiagnosed that can lead to really terrible interactions with law enforcement. It can lead to incarceration. We need some quotes as we usually do in our book chats. We don't know what autism in and of itself looks like. We only know how autism informed by trauma presents itself. What I'd add to that is that DSM criteria for autism are autistic stress behaviors. And yet on top of that it is also true that autistic people of color are misdiagnosed or inappropriately labeled as quote having behavior problems everything that Eric Garcia said is true. And there's just so many different layers of what the medical model of autism offers. Thanks Amy. Yeah, so you know we talk about this all the time at brain club about how the medical model of autism is so profoundly harmful. And while Amy's switching to the next video clip. I was going to derail that a tangent but I'll come back to that. So, so next video clip is an interview with author Sanja Menon from Australia, who is an autistic ADHD psychologist and author of the children's book, the rainbow brain. And as as Sanja will describe it's about the marriage. She says the marriage of autism and ADHD. And not only will we get to hear revisit our interview with Sanja for brain club, but Sanja will actually read her book in this clip. I want to tell you about our. Amy, you're not yet in shared screen yet. You were before pop out of it. So I give men is an autistic and ADHD psychologist based in Australia. She is the author of two children's books, the brain forest and the rainbow brain and tonight we're going to have the privilege of, so you're reading us her book. And as a psychology consulting practice and Lizzie if you can pop the link to her website in the chat. Thank you. Where she provides neuro affirming accessible information for kids and families. So this book is amazing. As, as Sunday describes it it's about the marriage of autism and ADHD. It involves a rainbow brain. And, you know, I, as someone who has both an autistic and an ADHD brain. Sometimes it can be really hard to have a rainbow brain. I have the kind of brain that needs sameness and novelty at the exact same time. It can be really exhausting to have a rainbow brain. And when Sanjia read me her book, I literally cried. It was the most offering way I had ever seen autism and ADHD and their overlap discussed. I learned something about my own brain in listening to it and really I think I think I don't know the rest of my sentence but um. It's pretty powerful. These were some comments from children about Sanjia's writings and and and ending our prerecorded interviews she'll tell the story of how she came to write these books. All right, and without further ado, we'll get right into it. So David, take it away. And by the way, so this this some this prerecorded interview and read aloud will run about 30 ish minutes. And so we'll have the chat box going as we listen and watch. So I would just, I would love to just share your story. So many stories. But I can go random. Don't we all? Yes, I know. So I'll start. I'm going to start at the beginning because that's your way. That is the very way to start the story from the beginning of time. So I guess I got into psychology because I had a really hard incident happened to me when I was 11. I had a cousin who drowned and died. So was pronounced brain dead. But then we kept him on like support and, you know, when we've continued going, which is wonderful. But it was a really, really hard point in my life because I was 11. He was 18 months. So I was kind of looking after him. He was like that beautiful like my channel cousin kind of vibe. And that's when I had a lot of emotions and decided I wanted to be a child psychologist because I went to the library. I read all that emotions. What is going on with my body? So that's what staff and me on this journey of wanting to help other children just understand what emotions are because I've been there. I understand how messy and complex that is. What got me into the field of autism was another cousin of mine. I was dying, not diagnosed, but very autistic and recognize ADHD. And we were very close. And so I was like, well, I kind of get it. I know what this is like. So I started, you know, when I was trying to get more experience, I started in the field of autism. I stayed there because I was happy. I got it. It was just such a great field to be in. And that landed into my eventual autism identification. ADHD came first for me and very like ADHD forward. And interestingly, once I was medicated, that's when like more autistic traits started coming out. So, you know, there's a lot of overwhelm because I'm like, wow, look, I can focus now. I can definitely do all the things. And that led to a lot of sense for overwhelming burnout. And then I landed up at autism identification. One of the things that, you know, I'm really passionate about is making sure that we don't have to get there. Right. I was at a point where I was just not even functioning in order to get my identification. Like I was throwing up from sensory like input. I was autistic all along, but it was just not recognized. And so, you know, we need to do more and after you're to recognize for your mistakes. You know, when we're just like steaming with joy and now I know I advocate really strongly for the next generation. Seeing my son, you know, if I we had this thing, I don't know if you've got it. But when you drop the vitamins into the water comes as a little tablet and it fizzes. And to see him go, you know, I'm just like really happy stands and understanding or to see joy was really nice. And so I, yeah, that's one of the things that I do now. And manage to summarize my whole good. Not too badly. First of all, I just want to acknowledge like just the unthinkable trauma that that you went through and how you transform that to be able to be making such an impact on the lives of children. That's just. So acknowledge, acknowledge all, all of that. Thank you. So I'm from Singapore and like how family operates is you treat like your cousins as like your siblings. Right. So who I consider my immediate family like he's part of that. And, you know, family dinners, just to see him like screaming and crying and not really understanding why because we had no access to his inner world back then. So it was years. So I think he only got a C when he was 16 years old. And the accident was when he was 18 months. That was a really, really long time of, I don't know, I'm just going to try to figure it out. It was very messy and muddy. And, you know, that's kind of how I grew up. That's just trying to work it out. Trying to be curious about what's going on. So we weren't sure. So now, you know, I work with a lot of distress behaviors. I get it. Yes. Yes. Yeah. And I could not agree more. I mean, DSM criteria for autism are autistic stress behaviors. And like what would this look like to actually for someone to be able to figure out their true self before reaching like such profound states of dysregulation. Yes, I know what it doesn't be lovely. As a psychologist, do you interface with colleagues from the old way? Like, do you like or have you like steered clear and you just do your own thing? I always think, you know, I am really happy to chat if you're open to learning. I'm not open to having an argument. I want to, you know, argue with me on that and not take all the information that I'm presenting. And that's a waste of my time. Yes. Yes. Yeah. Who I am really open to is people who have had a little bit about, you know, what a neuro-affirming approach is. Acknowledge that it is challenging. I'm ready to ask the questions. And then I'm really happy to answer them and like to support them and try to identify hang on. Where's that need a little bit for you and how can I change that? I'm really happy to do that. And I'm actually doing that in October. So this is the story of your becoming a clinician. What's the story of you becoming an author? That is a really fun story. That is, you know, ADHD and the helm. I just saw, I literally just had a client come in and ask me a question. And that question really niggled up me. She said, some of my classmates don't understand, you know, my client or some of his classmates don't understand him. Can you recommend a book for him to get up to the front of the class and talk to everyone about his diagnosis? And I said, absolutely not. No, I can't do that. It can exist. Yeah, I mean, it exists. Resources like those. No, but they're not the messages that you would want to be out there to the class. Yeah. Yeah. I think some are good, but it's just so my niggly bit is I don't think a disabled kid should have to, first of all, share his diagnosis if he doesn't want to, simply because it is bred out of ignorance of his classmates. Right. Yeah. And I think, you know, if he wants to share his diagnosis, he can, but it shouldn't be a mandatory thing. It shouldn't be, I have to tell you about my autism in order for you to be understanding and inclusive. I think inclusion should be at the very heart of our education. And I put everybody to understand, I think, you know, on a classroom educational level, we should be talking about these differences and how they exist to make our classroom stronger. Yes. Amen. Yeah. So I would love, I would love to know how, when you talk about inclusion, what does inclusion mean to you? Really good questions. And I saw, I saw quite recently that really, really struck out me. It's, I think, belonging is being invited to the party and inclusion is being asked to dance. And I don't think that's right. Because, you know, if you think about that party scenario, you can be asked to dance to it and they're like, wow, and I think this is what we're doing. Right. We're saying, while we're asking you along, we're including you, but we're not paying attention to the facts that, you know, maybe it's still too loud. Maybe the party that actually is still unwelcoming, maybe I'm in overload. And so we do these basic things that go, well, I've asked you, I've made these things available, but we don't look at the barriers to accessing them. Amen. So I would argue that inclusion is being part of the planning. Yes. It's having a say in how the path is conducted in the first place. Yeah, so getting to look at, okay, well, where are the safe zones? You know, how do I make sure that I have access to the things that help me? How can I make sure that, you know, the music's not too loud? Or, you know, it goes through periods where I feel safer. Most kinds of things, I feel like that is true inclusion. When we invite disabled people to have a say at the table and for it to well and truly be heard. Right. Amen. Yeah, I'm a pediatric site and I hear a lot of, well, we have a safe space in the back or we have digits in the room, but that's not, that's not it. You can't just say, well, we have digits. Check. It's fox checking. Exactly. But if the child access is the digits they're made fun of, or, you know, because we don't have that fundamental layer of everyone is safe enough to use these accommodations to, you know, that attitude change needs to be present fast, not just the boxes and the things. They hadn't changed their view of the world, which is that there's no right way to be a person. And if you like normalize that for four year olds, like, what a world we would have. Yeah. You know, one of the things I really love about this book, and I don't know if you know, you know, she emceed my the launch of my brain first. And, you know, she read the book for the first time and she said. This book isn't just for children, Sandy. You know, this book was so healing for me to read. And, you know, what I love about them is they are just a really simple English way of kind of boiling down what we know in research, what we know in community conversations. It's something that's easy to read. It's where it's colorful and pretty, which I clearly like. And, you know, it's just a way of bringing joy. And that's one of the things I really wanted to do with these folks is make something cool, you know, and just not, you know, I didn't want to just like five or it and have the book exist. You know, I said it had to be looking good. So people could actually have a resource that they were really proud of. So I realized that when I read this book, it's going to be like mirrored. I don't know if you can change that. But anyway, I'll read it out so you can see the pictures. Okay, I'm glad that works. So this is the brain by brain. What it does is talk about autism and ADHD together in the same brain. Because, you know, so I wrote the brain for us first when I was just identified as an ADHD and then by the time it launched, autism came into the picture. But I wrote it as an ADHD. And then when I was identified autistic, I was like, well, you know, I don't know how these rules come together. It's really tricky. And I thought, you know what, if, if I have difficulty knowing, you know, which I like is autism dominant, what things I do ADHD dominant and how I marry those two together. Kids would have the same difficulty. So that's what made the rainbow brain. It's like, I'll read it. You'll very much like this story time everybody. I love it. Great. So actually I want to read the conversation. It says, should all the amazing ADHD is would have told me that they have rainbow brains. This, this book was named by you and is for you. Thank you for always guiding me. So what, what a lot of children did after they read the brain for us is they identified with so many things on different pages that they finished it and said, I have a rainbow brain. And I go, well, this is clearly the next best, you know, it had to follow. This is your rainbow brain. So while the brain for us is just talking about neurodiversity in general, and the rainbow brain especially for neurodivergent people to see their brain represented. Okay, so I'll actually start reading. I have a lot of side quests in my brain. So deep down in the brain first, I found the tree that looks like mine. It wasn't like any brain I've seen, it had colors that swelled to combine. So we see that's not this one solid color, it's got a few colors going on. This tree was a site to behold with beautiful shades of blue. But all mixed in with that. There was some fiery red to fiery red. This whirling whirling tree is called autism and ADHD. Those are names for what it's like to have a brain like me. And then you see over here, it's ADHD and autism together. Blue and red peanut butter and jam, butter and bread, mint and lamb. Will they work together? Amazingly they just do. Can we know them as one rather than as two? Peanut butter and jam is like my favorite sandwich combination. Because careful, we could be wonderful together and come to know this dance of how to seemingly opposing ideas and work perfectly given the chance. Now we're going to some rules. I like to know what's coming up. I feel great when things are the same. I plan all the smallest details to keep stress out of my brain. And then we have ADHD. I like life to be interesting and new. I feel bored when things are the same. Details can matter or get tossed aside doing what I feel is my aim. How do we marry those two together? And, you know, in the rainbow brain, I can deal with change unless a surprising spring. Given choice control and time, I'm happy to do new things. This is the ADHD network brain. So ADHD, my brain likes to go fast and do lots at the same time. A little of this, a bit of that. How I get things done is mine to define. So I'm talking about affirming executive functions skills. We have a different way of getting it. And then we have autism life and that's represented kind of more sequentially. It's like a cog. So my brain needs to go slow. It takes its time to think. There are so many facts gathered to collect, process and see. We're really talking about that detail orientation. I love this little magnifying glass. So ADHD and autism. I learned best with preferred topics. My interest determines my speed. When it's boring, though, I multitask to meet my needs. So we see, you know, a child jumping on a trampoline, a spin, a fidget. It's just kind of nice to have like an ADHD doctor represented in books. And so this is the autism page. My brain does not filter taking in most sights and sounds. Being in nature is lovely, but I need help in busy surrounds. So we say, you know, turn down the lights. We can use noise canceling headphones or we can, you know, advocate and ask me in a quiet space. So, you know, come with me. I can't go there, but you can come. And ADHD. My brain thinks everything is important. I pay attention to it all. It's easy to forget what it said. I use strategies to help my recall. One of instruction at a time. Is it closer to the teacher or I make it visual? I draw and mark it down. And this is one of my favorite. This is talking about our emotions. It's just kind of, you know, all the high highs and new. Yes, and the smileys, but also just hang on. We need to blow down. We need to just go. So this is the best way that I can represent our emotions. We engage the world with the world so deeply. Our highs are high. Our lows are low. However, I am feeling. I allow myself. I've learned to go with the flow. So really thinking about our compassion for ourselves and accepting where we are. Now these colors are swirling together, that are swirling work together. Don't you see? Want to know another little secret? There may be more colors in your free. And then we have this, the real rainbow brain. You know, let's talk about our food and intellectual disability and anxiety and PDA and Tourette's and OCD and gift in this. And, you know, while learning challenges, dyslexia, dyscalculia, dyscracia, dyspraxia, you know, talking about it's not just autism and ADHD. It's very rarely occurring by itself. But let's learn to look at ourselves more holistically. This is, there are so many different trees and a few of them are rainbow. So, yeah, we try to come back to that brain first concept of, you know, this is dyslexia, there's neurotypical brains, people with dysaltic or ADHD, and then we put our rainbow. We've kind of added those few more colors in there now. I'm learning more about my brain type and with the right supports, I grow. Here are some people that help nurture rainbow brains. I'm talking about why we see people, right? We have our parents, we have an occupational therapist, we have counselors, animal therapists, we have our teachers, psychologists, that's me. You know, we have support workers who might come, speech pathologists and art therapists. So really trying to represent, you know, some of the people who we might see. I'm talking about, here are some things that can hurt rainbow brains. Loud noises, bright lights, too many things to concentrate on, having to sit still for a long time. Yeah, I'm fidgety, I need to move. Sudden changes, rejection, feeling misunderstood and ignoring our body sounds. That shouldn't be made to, really. And here are some things that help rainbow brains. So we have like self-advocacy. I need to play by myself today. It's okay, I'll see you later. And just having that connection, because this is something that I used to do at school, I never played with my friends all the time, but they always got that we were still friends. I like to do my own thing a lot of the time. So here are some things that help rainbow brains. Resting when we need. My son came up to me the other day and said, well, I'm feeling very tired because it's the first week of school and I need to cancel my afterschool activities. I'm like, great. I love that you're telling me it's an articulation. Sensory accommodations. So using what we need. We have safe and same foods. And I had to draw chicken nuggets in this. Like this is the one that I love. And it actually says I love nuggets. I do love nuggets. I'm asking for what we need, learning about ourselves, time and nature, time without interests, and meeting others with rainbow brains. This is all my recommendations usually in reports. And I really wanted to give a nod to, you know, we can celebrate rainbow brains, but at the same time, but how it is a disability and it is really hard. And so I depicted it this way. Because having a rainbow brain is special, but the world can be hard to navigate. See, it wasn't built for rainbow brains. There are still changes we need to create. It's tiring moving through this world and we need more time to rest. Making space for self care and the things we love and our best feel at our best. So chilling out. Because now we know, I'm so happy. Now we know what works for the rainbow brain design. Go build a wonderful life and shine, shine, shine. And that's it. And then I've just kind of got some other terms that I don't even know what to say. I just feel so incredibly honored to have, to have you read this to me. Like it's one thing for me to have like read it on my own, but to have you read it to me, like this is like, I think I, like, this is anyway, I just, anyway, like, but people, people want to reduce down to like, well, this is my autism and this is my ADHD. Anyway, like this was just such a beautiful, like even like the, the, the, the metaphor of color. Like of course red and blue can become purple. Of course you can. Yeah. And I appreciate like all of the little details that went in to just even even what you chose to show as images. Like, I am, I am blown away. This is, this is just beyond anything. Thank you. That's so nice. No, that's very kind of you. You know, I, like, where am I creating this little room? It's just looking at the, it's just looking at the, it's just looking at the, it's just looking at the, it's just looking at the, it's just looking at the, it's just looking at how we represent our culture. And it's so, so nice. And that kind of lens for someone else too. All I think about is, you know, first of all me, like, what do I love? I love nuggets. I love fidgets. And then putting that in place, like the end product is something that I'm really, really happy with. And when someone else sees that as well, they're like, I love nuggets too. I was like, you have no idea how much I love. I love nuggets so much. Yes. I know. And, you know, it was going through a really tough year last year with sensory input particularly around food. And, you know, I would have food put for me, I wouldn't even cook, but I would have food put for me and it would be, you know, a balanced meal. And I'd look at it and I'd just put it and eat it. And my husband would look at me and now he's learned without judgment to just go, do you need nuggets? Just so you can eat, you know, and I'm like, thank you so much because I can't handle this right now. I know that, you know, this food provides nutrients and nutrition, but right now I need to eat what I can eat. And it's not that plate. Nope. Nope. Yeah. Yeah. My husband hasn't figured that out yet. But, uh, yes, that resonates with me a lot. Yeah. Yeah. My husband and I get to bring us together. Yeah. Um, I had a, so my follow up to nuggets is, is French fries. And so that's, that, that was my dinner tonight. So it was, uh, yeah. Yeah. Um, can I tell you a little bit about my favorite? I have. Yeah. Yeah. So there is this, um, a chain in Australia that exists. I don't know outside, but it is, they've thought about the chip design so much. And it's actually, it's not square. It is diamond shape. So that the inside is fluffy and the outside is crisp. It's like, I love it. I said, do you have anything like thought scientifically about how to create the perfect chip in the season? It is so good. Oh, that's interesting. You're making me think about like the physics of chip design, which I never thought about. Like that's quite waffle fries are so much easier to cook. Hmm. Wow. This is amazing. Amazing. I'm curious what, um, how old is your child before I was going to ask you, like what, what, what does your child think of your book? Six. Are children of the same age? Yeah. Um, so he actually helped me create the brain first when he was full. Which is amazing. Because you know what, Amy, let's, let's, let's pause. I think, um, I, somehow, you know, brain and time and all that. Um, I, I, what I'll do is I will link in the chat, the link to the original, the original brain flow. If anybody wants to watch the rest of it. Um, but I just, I'm noticing that it's six 56. So much for, we'll have plenty of time for discussion. It's got to how that goes. So anyway. Um, I would love to invite anyone. To share anything that's coming up for them. Mel. Hi, Matt. I just, um, you know, I just wanted to say, um, thank you to you and, um, to all brains belong and the community. And I just wanted to say how grateful I am. Um, uh, for my involvement. And, um, and how that involvement has, um, helped me edit my own story. That's all. So beautiful. Thank you. I mean, it's a journey, right? I mean, it's just a, it's a long. Never ending journey, but. I don't know. I think. I think for a lot of people that. It. Kind of the, um, I'm not finding words, but like the, um, I'm not finding words, but like the, um, I'm not finding words, but like the. The step wise or the, like. It's like the fast track. Even though it's not a fast track at all. It's a faster track of. Editing. When you are doing it with others. And that's not to say that it's not a really. Hard. And possibly difficult journey. But the idea of, of, I think, I think without connection with other people, without connection to community without, without this, I don't, I don't. I think for a lot of people, little learning doesn't even happen. Yes. Exactly. That's like all these. Small. And big reframes in the chat right now. There's folks reframing their self-talk around. Challenges with food. Like it's, it's these everyday interactions. These everyday judgments, um, that all come from narratives that were like fed to us, literally, like. You know, as young children of like, this is the way, this is the way you do the thing. Whereas. No, there's lots of ways to do the thing. And so our New Year's Eve brain club is really a part two of this conversation. 2024 year of the true self. And what does that mean? We'll have some. We'll do an intentional job of having the pre-recorded community panel be short so that we'll have plenty of time for discussion. Thanks Sarah for dropping the link in there. And that's just even part of New Year's Eve. There's a whole bunch of activities. So we, we hope, we hope to see many of you there. Oh, Sarah, thanks for the reminder. There will be no brain club next Tuesday. So we'll have this extra brain club on Sunday, but no brain club on Tuesday, January 2nd. But we'll be back on January 9th. And our January theme is the power of community. So thank you very much to all of you for being part of our community. Have a good night. Thanks for being here. Thanks everyone.