 What's up guys and welcome to one take tonight. We're talking about devs episode two and this will be a lot of spoilers So if you haven't seen the episode yet do that and then watch this video I'm Gil and I'm talking to my brother Alon Yo with that. Let's jump into tonight's episode Alon you and I both loved episode one of this series and we were worried are we still gonna like it after episode two? So how are you feeling about the show after having seen the second episode? Top-level I still like it, but I did like episode one a little bit better Got it. I yeah, I think I mostly agree I loved it after episode one and I still love it Maybe a few minor quibbles, but overall loving this show and I can't wait for episode three Which by the way comes out in about six hours Because they get released at 6 a.m. It sounds like so Anyway, let's just jump right into episode two So probably the biggest reveal of this episode is we saw What's in the box? At least we saw a little bit of what devs what the devs team is doing So we see a sort of TV screen a blurry image for a second I thought I saw an arm and I figured that's all we're gonna see this episode and then it started to solidify into an image of Somebody on a cross Perhaps Jesus they did say it was about 2,000 years ago. We were looking at they referred to it as backwards projection and Yeah, it looks like we saw the past This is a pretty shocking revelation Stewart the guy that you were a big fan of last episode you said that you hope we see more of this guy the guy who Smiled at Sergei, so you got your wish. He was a more prominent character in this episode He's exactly what I was hoping for So forest is disappointed we got a blurry image of potentially Jesus on a cross Forest is disappointed Stewart is shocked at his disappointment. He says this is a miracle. We should be bathing in champagne Forest says it's not a miracle, but it needs to be and he essentially says this is binary We either achieve a perfect success or we don't so I'm assuming that when he says Success he doesn't just mean a clearer image. I'm assuming he means something more than that So a line at first off what was your reaction to to seeing that image on the screen and Second any theories on what success looks like what does forest hope to achieve here that they haven't yet achieved? My guess is that success means not only being able to see the past but to be able to alter alter it I think what I find kind of Funny is forest has this stance where you're not really supposed to have these human emotions But he clearly still really cares for his deceased daughter My theory is that he wants the ability to go back in time through this technology and save his daughter Yeah, but Which kind of goes against his Current principles, right? He's not very disciplined Oh, I gotta say no for somebody who is so anti-emotion. He may be the most emotional guy in the show Yeah I that so your interpretation was my first read as well. I assumed you're looking at the past That's not good enough. They want the ability to change the past but because that was our first inclination that makes me think it's wrong and I also have a feeling they use the word Projection they called it a backward projection which made me wonder Can you do a forward protection from a forward projection and look into the future? And then that made me wonder are we really seeing the past or are we seeing a Recreation of the past because I thought back to episode one where they were predicting the movements of an organism I don't think they were looking into the future I think they were taking all the variables and Because the world is predetermined if you know all the current variables you can predict the future So extending from that I hear the word projection. I think guess So when they call this a backwards projection, it makes me wonder Do they just have a super a quantum computer that can look at all the variables in the world right now can look at all of the cells and essentially follow their project their Trajectory into the past and recreate the past saying if we look at everything as it is today Where everything came from we can create a pretty good image of the past And if that's what they're doing you wouldn't be able to change the past because you're not you're not actually looking at the past You're looking at a recreation of it Is a theory I have based off of hearing the word projection That's a good point and would be more in line with what we've seen so far Yeah, I have a feeling that's going to be clear at one point Someone's gonna say we can see into the past and then for us is gonna say no, that's impossible You're seeing a projection of the past Side no question, man. Thank you. Thank you every once in a while. I get one of those good impressions in there As an aside, it's kind of funny you and I a few weeks ago I think a week or two ago. I was telling you about a conspiracy theory Maybe I wasn't talking I was talking to somebody about a conspiracy theory Where the church has something called a chrono visor Basically a TV that lets them see anything from the past at any time so they can look at the dinosaurs They can look at you, you know two days ago Did you say they have coronavirus? The chrono visor I see how you could make that mistake So I have a feeling that Alex Garland heard that Conspiracy theory the idea got in his head and he thought about and he thought what would that be like? How do I make that more scientific and I wonder if that's the germ of the idea that got him here? Why do you think Katie that's the blonde girl that works with forest? Why do you think she got annoyed at Stuart's use of the word baby? He kept calling the code baby. It's a yeah, baby Yeah, don't call it baby. Oh I guess she just doesn't like him not taking it seriously enough Perhaps it could be that I want it felt very I don't know if serious is the right word But she seemed to really take issue with it. It made me wonder if it's something I feel like Alex Garland keeps injecting emotion into every aspect of this show So you can't just have a screen that lets you see the past You have a screen that let's you see the past you add on to that a father who's lost his daughter and he uses that to Wallow in that tragedy So something as simple as Katie taking issue with the use of the word baby What if she had somebody in her life? Baby was a nickname she used either a son or a daughter or maybe a husband She used to call him baby. And so the word reminds her of that I think I've been what I'm watching this show through the filter of there's always some emotional aspect to everything So, I don't know if I'm reading too much into it, but that's where my mind went Yeah, I don't know we'll find out and then forest uses the machine like you referenced to look at his daughter And it's one funny thing is he pressed like two or three buttons on that screen And then it pulled up an image of his daughter and I just wonder how does this machine work? Like what did he type in because he had to specify the coordinates, right of where they're looking He had to specify the time and so how does it take it's like a couple swipes and you're from Jesus Okay, now you're looking at your daughter unless it was a preset like on a radio Maybe there's some sort of Advanced Bluetooth technology where he can connect it to his own brain. It could be it could be Yeah, it could be that it has something to do with Imagine what you want to see and then the machine will bring it into into clarity And how does the machine know what camera angle to use? Right a lot of questions and knowing Alex Garland. I bet at least some of them will be explored Last thought I had on this scene is and I've harped on this five times already But Alex keeps injecting emotional elements into everything Forest like we said it seems to be a very emotional person And I have a feeling that is going to be a strong source of tension between him and Katie We saw moments of that in the previous episode Where she seems to be doing a much better job of shutting down her emotions Then he is and that makes me think that something's going to happen where he either Commits some sort of a betrayal. Maybe he'll want to help Lily at some point But I have a feeling that is going to be some source of tension between him and Katie, but just a prediction Any other thoughts on what we saw of Stuart the devs or or anything else in that box No Well moving on Lily meet Sergei's boss Anton and First off when she when she tried putting in another code. I was like, what are you doing? You only have two more guesses and I thought that was nuts that she tried again But once they actually cracked the code and got in and she eventually went to go meet Sergei I thought he did a great job of convincing her or he made a great pitch to try and get her to work for him By the end of it. I was like, I want to work for him and I really thought she was gonna go for it So I thought they did a good job of selling that and making you I At least I bought that she would struggle with that decision because on the surface Should I go work for the Russian government after I suspect my boyfriend was just killed for doing exactly that You would say of course. I'm not gonna do that. I think they did a good job of selling me That there is a decision to be made there. Maybe you would want to do it and he did it by appealing to her emotionally If you're not satisfied with this answer, you want to know more about what happened to Sergei Then you want to work for me Yeah, I loved his how he convinced her to he's like My first thought would be murder Like Right and he said just an insight into his world murdered What about would you say about his world? I love that Oh, I said the way he he doesn't even question it. He's like I if it were me I would know that he was murdered. I was saying that that gives a little insight into his world and what the kinds of things he deals with Right, right. The fact that you even need to have this is my rule of thumb a friend of mine commits suicide The first thing I do is I assume it's murder The fact that you need to have that rule of thumb says something about what you're dealing with and you're in a daily basis Also, you and I even in episode one We were praising this show and its approach to mystery where it doesn't drag it out It doesn't have mystery for the sake of mystery So they just casually reveal Kenton has been watching this entire conversation And kenton's kind of the muscle that works for forest the guy killed Sergei So Immediately you're worried for lily. He saw the whole thing So he's got to take out lily, right? To stop her from taking on the Sergei role But he doesn't take that approach instead. He approaches Anton Sergei's boss in the parking garage And basically the way this scene goes is kenton tries to appeal to Sergei on an emotional or kenton tries to appeal to Anton on an emotional level Come on lily's a nice girl. She's a smart Girl leave her out of this. Why don't you just walk away professional courtesy? Nobody else needs to die Then Anton pulls a knife They fight Kenton kills Anton So alone just overall thoughts on this scene Yeah, I didn't love this scene I thought it was kind of cheesy the way they were playing the music over it And these two neither of them Felt seemed particularly skilled at fighting to be honest. It just looked very Amateur And also another thing Just in general If you're worried that the other guy's gonna try to kill you just agree to what he's saying And then figure out a plan right, you know for afterward You know kill him after don't like just haphazardly like pull a knife where anything could happen Yeah, I think both characters were just I feel like everybody on this show has been so competent so far It's one of my favorite aspects of the show And in this scene we see two people Just acting so dumb First off did kenton really think this was gonna work? He thought he could just go to the russian boss and say come on We not do this And then I was hoping Same thing you said antanthal I could just pull a knife and kill him right then and there Yeah, and you know these two I Seemed like they had more smarts I was hoping to kind of see Some sort of battle of wits between the two rather than just this quick knife fight Yeah, really bizarre. I mean I like the moment he pulled the knife out There was a second where I had a reaction of whoa I thought that was kind of cool and then the fight happened And it was also just confusing. It wasn't clear to me how kenton actually killed antan To me it looked like he was pulling on his arm or his hand. I can tell you okay, please He had his somehow he positioned his head like on a tire And then he kind of like pushed his head and broke his neck On the tire. Oh, see I I really watched it multiple times and I heard the cracking sound And then I saw antan's mouth wide open And I just couldn't I couldn't see how he did it. Yeah, that's what I saw anyway No, I think you're right. I think you're right So okay overall we didn't love the scene in the way it was executed But it is pretty surprising because up until this point in the episode I thought okay. Here's the thread. We're gonna follow now that serge is dead We're going to follow lily working for the russians And that's the plot But not only does she say f you to the russians she puts up the sign But even if she hadn't done that it wouldn't have mattered because antan is dead so It feels like twice now. Alex garland has pulled this twist on us where he says all right So this show is about serge moving into devs. No, no, it's not. He's dead But the show is actually about lily working for the russians. Nope. Never mind. It's not about that So I love that he keeps pulling the rug out from under us and he just keeps us guessing Yeah, and another thing it's actually a good thing that lily put up that f you sign in her window Unknowingly she's actually probably gaining kenten's trust here. I have a feeling this will lead to her Maybe having a similar role that serge serge had serge had ending up in the box And discovering some secrets Yeah, it'll be interesting to see because yes on one hand She's gaining kenten's trust to the extent that she is not going to work with the russian government against amaya But at the same time she is She is a problem because it's clear that she knows serge was a russian spy It's clear that she at a minimum suspects and strongly believes that he was murdered So she's still a liability. So I don't know that she's out of the woods But it does seem like I mean kenten could have killed her straight away. He didn't have to go to anton first So it seems like they're making the decision to keep her alive for now Now one thing i'm wondering is kenten tried to Appeal to anton's emotions by again saying lily does she's she's innocent. She's not part of this Do you think kenten actually does believe that to a certain extent? That she is innocent. He doesn't want her to die Or was that purely a way to try and get anton to agree to walk away? I mean I I think he believes she's innocent. I mean it seems like he probably knew what serge was up to So he probably would know at this point Well, I think no, I think he knows that on the facts she's innocent That she didn't do anything wrong But my question is does he care emotionally does he want her to live? Or is he indifferent and he'd be fine if he had to kill her Yeah, I guess I don't understand enough about this world yet because from what I've heard from him in forest It seems like he should not care about her and the easier thing would be to just get rid of her So i'm guessing there's something more To her that maybe he's aware of that we don't know That leads him to want to keep her around right maybe she fits into some bigger plan that's Yet to be revealed or even if she wasn't part of the plan maybe now they see some way that she can be useful Right, so we'll see I'm doubling back a little bit to lily and jamie jamie her ex-boyfriend One thing that I've harped on a few times is This show injects emotion into everything and I think it's great writing So for example, I think any other show Where a character is trying to hack into a phone They would have tried to create tension by okay, the main character. She's a hacker. She's gonna try and get into this phone She's hacking. She's hacking. Oh, no, they're on to her. Is she gonna get through boom. She hacked it Here I think alex garland realizes that that comes off as cheesy and fake But at the same time none of us as viewers know what it actually takes to hack a phone So it's going to be very difficult to create tension by showing us the actual hacking process So he says how am I going to create tension here? How am I going to put an obstacle there? So he creates an emotional obstacle. He says that Lily can't hack the phone on her own She needs help and she has to go to her ex-boyfriend where there's all that baggage to get that help So I think he does a great job of inserting emotional obstacles into this story to just get us More invested and then the reveal itself holds a ton of emotional weight The reveal is not just an interesting layer to the mystery. It is that it's interesting that serge is a russian spy But on top of that now she's got to deal with my boyfriend who I was in love with Has been lying to me and now I have to question everything So just every step of the way there's this emotional component to the show that I think works really well And I like that jamie ended up not being a total jerk His reaction last episode when she went to him for help. I think was understandable He was hurt by her. Why the hell would he want to help her? But as soon as he realized the gravity of the situation her boyfriend Lit himself on fire. Boom. He drops that whole thing. He's willing to help And uh, and I appreciated that and I thought that was I like that. I didn't want them to drag that out too much What about you? What did you think of all the lily jamie stuff? Yeah, I mean, I think first of all, I think he's being a he's being a nice guy I think uh, some percentage of it is I think he's curious what's going on as well Right and you want to know always have the phone, right? And he's like, no, no, I don't care I just want to make sure you're okay He definitely wants to know. Yeah Yeah, no, I I like the interactions between those two felt pretty realistic I have a I don't know. I think at some point he's gonna try to get back with her. We'll see Yeah, yeah, I think so too. Not that that's why we're watching this show. Yeah I think the homeless guy was right When he keeps accusing him of trying to get back with lily Do you think that homeless guy is uh Not what he seems I think he's so the first time we saw him I thought he was forest because I knew from the commercials That nick off from it had long hair and you kind of see him from a distance So maybe the homeless guy is forest from the future or an alternate reality But really I think he's I was gonna ask you is there more to him or is he just sort of comedic relief? I think it's the latter. I don't think there's any anything more to this character, but but you never know I hope it's just comedic relief. I feel like it would be overkill that he turns out to be some sort of spy or something Yeah, yeah agreed So the big question for me is where do we go from here? It's not obvious to me what the next plot thread is I mean We know in the box the devs are working on something so that's obviously going to continue to develop But what does lily do now? If she's not gonna work with the russians Is she gonna try and investigate what happened internally on her own with maybe with jamie's help? Is kenton gonna approach her and pull her in like you were saying maybe pull her into devs or Somehow pull her into the grand plot here I think she's going to pretend that she's accepted What they showed her happened to her boyfriend and She's going to truly be trying to figure out the The hidden secrets while working for them Right, I think you're right And I also think Anton's dead, but it doesn't mean the russians are out of the picture Anton has a boss probably in the words of Uh, what's the name of the guy from taken? Oh neam leeson Liam neeson neam leeson in the words of Liam neeson In star wars episode one of phantom menace. There's always a bigger fish So Anton may be dead, but I'm sure I'm sure he's got a boss And I'm sure the russians are still going to play a role here He's got a wife in two kids Maybe they'll uh Try to get revenge as you buy that sob story I thought that might be true, but he might have also been lying about that Just to try and convince her to join him But if if the russians are still out there and they're going to continue to pursue this They might try to get lily on board again And say look, I know you said fu But think about it No, so we'll see A couple of other random things can't they don't kill that guy Yeah, exactly Though I don't know. I mean it wasn't like you won that fight in this episode without any problems So he came pretty close to he almost got stabbed So we'll see A couple of other random things The statue you and I were talking about that big statue. What is it? So a couple theories or really one theory um first off I'm surprised I didn't um catch on to this in episode one But there was a line that uh, I think her name is is katie, right? The the blonde girl that he works with So katie um says to him Something about uh a parent losing a child and then apologizes and says that was clumsy So as soon as she said that I assumed oh forest has lost a child So I should have put two and two together That big statue maybe that's his daughter and he created the company in her name And if all of this is about him trying to see his daughter or save his daughter It would make sense that he would name the company after her and build a big statue of her As kind of the logo of the company Yeah, that makes sense also I was looking at the imdb and the statue is actually credited So there is a little girl out there who played that statue and it was created in her likeness And that girl in real life is named amaya Mizuno Andre So apparently they named the statue they named the company After the actress who played the character which was interesting Nice find Yeah, I wonder if they would have so were they just looking for a specific Look, I guess and then whatever that person's name was that was going to be the name of the company And also funny enough the person who interviewed alex garland about this show Where he talked about how he named the company after the actress the person who interviewed him was also named amaya She worked for rotten tomatoes Anyway, so any other thoughts on episode two of devs before we wrap it up I want to see more of uh So guys name Stuart Yeah, Stuart Good man Hey, you know what for all we know lily's done. We won't even see her again. It's all about stewart from now on I hope so. No, I like lily. She's cool Anyway, one of the one of the just random thing Uh, I've complained before about rotten tomatoes and how they score television shows Their whole system for scoring tv is completely messed up at a curiosity I looked up the rotten tomatoes score for this show devs The score is 83 percent And then I just looked up legends of tomorrow a show on cw I'm not going to say it's a terrible show, but it's definitely not a great show And in no world is that show better than devs devs has an 83 percent Legends of tomorrow has an 87 percent so The whole rotten tomatoes system for television just just has no credibility What would you give it on rotten tomatoes? I'll give it I would give it the legends of tomorrow score. I think 87 87 percent But that could go up or it could go down depending on how the rest of the series goes Yeah, sounds about right. All right. And by the way, this is being billed as a mini series So I think a couple of times we've said this season But it's a mini series. So presumably after these eight episodes That's it. It's going to be one complete story But we'll see Anyway, so loved episode one Really liked episode two and excited for episode three with that. Let's wrap it up Thanks for watching this video And as always if you enjoyed the video make sure to hit that like button Subscribe to the channel and hit the bell icon to get notified Whenever we do more videos like this one You're especially going to want to do that because we're going to be recapping every episode of devs So make sure you're subscribed so you can see when we talk about episode three Anyway, thanks for watching and we'll see you on the next one take