 I said, he was trying to get Death Row East Coast, paid it by almost $700,000 to just not be able to do it. Did he tried Death Row, Dirty South in Atlanta? What happened? It was blocking every move he made, right? And I said, sure, check this out, man. I said, give me $100,000 in nine months. I'll make you 20 million. What? Yeah, we on boss talk one on one. One on one. Yeah, we gonna talk. You know what I'm saying? So, what made, how, cause you, I know you always look at the way, cause at this time, when you're talking about Shug Knight had all of the power in his hand when it came to the monetarily thing. What caused him to, he lost everything. 100 million, 100 million dollars. 147 million dollars. I said, I didn't know that specific. 147 million dollars just go from here. David Kenner, his attorney told me that. What brought him down so fast and so abruptly? The same thing you were talking to earlier, how money changes you. It was a time money changed you and got you out of the hood and you was better than them. Now money brings you back to the hood and now you wanna be so real. Shug is not really a gangster like that. He didn't grow up like doing these things but he got to the element with money. He's buying dudes that he just admired from a long time ago and put himself in a position where he wasn't conforming with white America. And if you ain't with me, you against me. Because most powerful thing on the West Coast, death war records and you have no edifice of that in Compton at all. Not a house, not a building, a couple of jackets, that from back in the day, you don't even see the death row change no more. But that can't, the tragedy in black lives, we don't have mentors, black solid mentors that you don't respect us. I remember one time we were doing set it off and a brother in the nation named Brother Remus, we said, they're doing security and we're sitting talking and in my other life, I was Marvelous Marvel and I had a condo in Hawaii, right, by the blowhole. And we see, he said, is that right Marvel, Highway 58? I said, what do you know about that Remus? He said, I went to Shyamana University. I said, you went to Shyamana, he said, I took international business. He said, man, I stayed in China for three years, I know how to speak Cantonese, I know how to do this, I know how to, I'm like, bruh, and this thing popped up in my mind, right? So me and Shahid went up a death row one day and I tell Shug, I said, he was trying to get death row East Coast, paid him about almost $700,000 to just not be able to do it. Did he try death row Dirty South in Atlanta? What happened? It was blocking every movie made, right? And I said, Shug, check this out, man. I said, give me $100,000 in nine months, I'll make you 20 million. What? I said, man, rock music is just like dope. I can do, we can do a death row international. I can go to Japan, get a P.O. Box and the same way you slaying music with DJs here, you can do it in Japan. And I got a man that speaks Japanese, Chinese, and Cantonese. He couldn't see the vision at that time, nine months, 1996. All of that could have been on a whole another level, would have international death row. You did get what I'm saying? But he didn't see the vision. A lot of times we don't see the vision. You feel what I'm saying? How you like, damn, I should have done that, huh? Damn, hindsight is 20, 20 vision. Yeah. When you see him in court this last time, that's about the, they had him like he couldn't see. It was a whole bunch of stuff going on with him, he got older now. But still, Shug, like, sometimes I wonder like, will he ever even get out? Is he gonna make it out of that? I mean, with his determination, you know, black people like Roaches, we survive a lot of shit. When they think we down, we ain't done it. He got action in coming back, but right now I think he sees the errors that he did with the people he befriended. So now he's getting a closer circle and he's trying to make some moves and put himself in another perspective. Ugh. So I see good things coming to him. We all grow, the lady was telling me last night about making mistakes and I feel it in me, but one mistake you make in life and that's death. Yeah. Everything that is an experience. And if you either grow from the experience or you don't grow for it, you stay stagnant. So it's a lot of things that, man, I should have done it this way. And sitting in a cell and I'm a master of that five by nine, sitting in there rehearsing like, damn, life should have went this way. You know what I'm saying? So now in my elder years, I see like the philosophy of the two bulls and don't run down and fuck one, walk and fuck them all. Let me answer this, I wanna go back to Aliyah just for a minute. Like Aliyah was a, Aliyah, she passed not long after that. But just that night, was that the only time that you ever did detail with Aliyah? Was that night when that award was going on? You would know, we did other celebrity events with Barry and I would be on, there's some little baseball stuff. She was a real cool little. So you've seen her a few times. It wasn't just once. Yeah, like what's something that stuck out to you but I know she was young and but what stuck out to your body was it a talent or? Aliyah has a personality that's warm. Okay. She wasn't like Missy Elliot, I guess cause she was ugly. She had complex, you know. Beauty's in the eye of the beholden. Let me say this. I don't want Missy. I don't want Missy. There was a hard state of Missy Elliot coming for you. I'm Missy, now you know it. You know that, hold up. Yeah, yeah. God damn it, you're talented and a motherfucker but you ain't gonna win no beauty contest. I don't give a fuck what you say. How was Aliyah like just, she was really, to me, everybody, we didn't get to see a lot of her but we did. She did movies, she did music. In the short period of time that she lived, that was a lot. I mean, you see Drake, he loves Aliyah, like that's one of his things, he loves Aliyah. It's a funny story, a Captain Shahid story about Aliyah and the soundtrack. Barry Henderson wanted to do the soundtrack so they didn't want to fuck with him, right? So Barry gets cap to go to New York, you understand me, and the hollering and Russell don't want to talk to Barry at all. Fuck Shahid Muhammad, we ain't trying to hear shit he say so we go hustle one of our artists, he gets in contact with Kenny Lee, Russell's man, I understand, get Russell's man and so they call and they say Russell's in the bed and they hand him the phone and it's Shahid on the phone and he gotta answer it. Damn. So Shahid, he talks to Barry and so, oh, okay, what's his name? You talking about Russell Simmons? Yeah, Russell Simmons. So Barry gets with Lear Cohen. Yeah, Lear, yeah. He gets with Lear and it's like, man, we need this movie and we need to do this and we need to do that and so Shahid and Big Loda, they're in Lear's office, right? Like, no, I can't have this and then I'm not gonna deal with Barry, I'm not even gonna give it down. Shahid looks over at the window, like Pecklewood either this or the window and I don't give a fuck if you throw me out the window, I'm not gonna give a fuck about you, Shahid is not gonna go down in here. Shahid like, okay, they finally got the soundtrack. Man, Lear was one that was in the middle of everything when it came down to, you know, Def Jam, man. And it came down to their business. I know I had Reg Wright and Reg Wright told me that he went down there to try to get Snoop and he ended up that she was nice spit in his face. And I'm like, okay, Lear, we got a deal, we're gonna have a deal. She goes to tell Lear no. Spits in Lear's face. Spits in his face. He spit in his face. Because however the conversation went. He didn't appreciate it. He at the prison, he spit in. At the prison, at St. Louis Obispo. Down at, you know, when he went down there, he didn't, he just didn't like him. He didn't like anything to do with the East Coast, you know, trying to sign Snoop over to the East Coast. You know what I mean? Like it was big, that was a big deal, man. Yeah, I was, Lear was a hitter, but my boy Tony Hustle, he can tell you about, I mean, he went from Lear, from Lear sleeping on the couch with Jan Masters. Really? You dig what I'm saying? And he came up through it, so he know him from where? All right, all right. T-Funk, you know you, I love you, I love you. You won't give me a job. Yeah, we on boss talk one on one, one on one. Yeah, we gon' talk.