 I said, I just get the folks not coming here to take over yet. I said, Spelman hadn't given any orders and we're going to work this thing out. It's going to be the same bill as sent up to the hill. It doesn't discriminate against anybody. But we're going to put a provision in the report where it won't be an issue and Charlie Halick's promoting all this stuff. He's the one that started it. He's the first yet. We're going to do too much for Negros. He thought that would run the Southerners law. And it didn't do it. I went to Atlanta and I had 600,000 so it didn't make him too mad. Now he's trying to do it with the Pope. And if they get through with the Pope, they'll do it some other way. They're trying to beat this bill and divide this party. Now we've got to be smart of them. But I'll assure you this, as long as I'm in this office, a Catholic child would be treated the same as a Baptist child. We know that. I wouldn't have gone on this ticket in 1960 except I want to prove that and not tell them that story about Joe Kennedy taking that plane out to go back on the last climb when he shot down. He had a Baptist boy sitting by his side. And they called up here the other day when I gave a driver a letter to the Pope. And the Baptist to James, who's head of the Baptist in the south, he called up and denounced him. And Bill Moyer's got a good sense of humor. And Bill said, well, I can't get to him now. He said, he's in a meeting. And they said, what kind of meeting's there? And said, he's out swimming with Billy Graham. And I said, he is really swimming with Billy Graham. And Bill told him, yeah, and I was. And they said, well, then there must not be much to this Pope story then if he's swimming with Billy Graham. So that's the way we answer him. But don't let him make damn fools of us. Well, Mr. McCormack has told Tip O'Neill and Jim Delaney that under no circumstances must our faith be used or in any possible way to defeat this legislation. Now, unhappily, Shriver and Kerry and Landrum all agreed until these damn school people got into the thing. Well, I don't think that's quite right. Phil told them that he personally had no objection. He doesn't. But he cannot carry the right Patmans and the other folks with him any more than I can carry Charlie Halleck with me. He's just about as ineffective with them. Now, what we've got to do is take the bill with sin and then turn it over to a Catholic to run. And turn it over to a president to run and give him authority and that report down deep in it, Frank, where the administrator can insist that school boards be fair to give equal rights, period. We can do that, Mr. President. And if necessary, it's going to involve and we're perfectly willing and ready to do it. At least I am and Jim will talk to you in a moment. I hope you have another minute. We are perfectly willing to stand up and to beat this amendment down if they persist in offering it. That's right. Take our chances. Mr. McCormick and Carl Albert are going to face up to the problem that they have as leadership with the Rules Committee and I think we're going to be all right. But we cannot compromise in advance. I couldn't agree with you more thoroughly. If it did that, they'd say Spellman running. Now, I don't mind a damn bit. I made Spellman's speech at his Al Smith dinner last year. I don't mind calling him a damn bit and telling anybody in the church that I picked Sergeant Shriver to run this program and I had a well in mind who he was and where he was and what his faith was. I was an N.Y.A. man and I treated the Catholic schools. I made allotments direct to them and every damn great school, high school, college they had. But during the N.Y.A. days, now what we'll do is leave that language where it's up to the school authorities and then put a provision in there in the report that the administrator has authority to see that everybody is treated and given equal rights. Then I will see that Shriver says to those people, if you want to do this, you've got to treat these people fair. Mr. President, would it be? And it doesn't make them an issue. It doesn't get the Al Smith fight back in here and they ought to want an issue. I'm just talking off the top of my head now and I haven't even talked to Mr. McCormick or Jim O'Hara about it. Could you call possibly Spellman? Yeah, I'll call anybody that you and John McCormick and O'Hara want me to. I don't want to be... Spellman. I don't want to be... Very likely call Delaney at least and carry off of this name with assurances that you've given to us on the phone and with assurances that there's strong language in that report. Well, we'll do whatever is need to be done, whatever you all recommend. Well, now here's Jim O'Hara, Mr. President. But now listen, Frank. That kind of conversation ought to go to anybody else. Oh, good heavens. Because we can't have the president. I'll tell you what I did. You have no idea. I don't know how many thousand letters when I give Shriver a letter to the Pope. Yes. And if they think the president of this country is calling Spellman to get his permission, it's hell raised. Now, me and you know that and I'll do anything I need to do and you just let John tell me what I want to do and I'll do it. But what I'd do is with you, if I were you, I'd sit down with Shriver this afternoon, make him get up there and bill more. Work out a sentence and a report that gives Shriver, direct Shriver, to see that we have equal rights, where it looks like it's civil rights. It looks like it's constitutional rights. It looks like it's everything. But what it really means is that he can't discriminate against people to go to parochial schools. I agree with you thoroughly, Mr. President. Then put that slip out in your report, let Phil Landrum Handlet sit down with Phil and work it out. And when they come out there and they go to Raising Hill, we just say, we haven't changed this bill on a high order. A bill just like it was. And this bill leaves it up to local school boards what they do about it. We can do that. And then when we give this money, we give it to Shriver and Shriver will control it through the money. And he's not going to be vicious. And he'll just say, well, I'm going to do it just like I did in N.Y.A. We're going to... This cause of kids is a Negro. He's not going to be discriminated against. This cause is Catholic. He's not going to be discriminated against. This cause is Jewish. He's not going to be discriminated against. But let's don't try that fight out. We can't win that fight. And Halick has got the Negro thing. He said that there's going to be too much of this go to Negroes. Freeling cows and tried that for a week and that old dog wouldn't hunt. So now he's got the pope in it and he's trying that. And they're going to be moving to take care of the pope. And you know how innocent they are in the pope. Yeah, I sure do. They just use him for political purposes. That's all. Just like the Hoover did when they beat Smith. We'll do that, Mr. President. Here's your mountain, sir. Well, Mr. President... Jim, the best thing I can say is I appointed Sergeant Shriver and I knew what church he went to and I'll take care of him and he'll take care of you. Mr. President, I think we can work it out. Well, you put a provision in that report that he can't discriminate. Administrator must see it. Everybody gets equal rights. On the floor, tell them. You haven't changed the bill a damn bit. The pope hadn't even know about it. He hadn't heard about it. We're treating everybody equally. And you let Shriver handle the money and I'll handle the money and it'll be taken care of. Mr. President, I think if you could give an insurance to Hugh Kerry who's worried about this... I'll give it to you to call me. I'll give it to Shriver and he can give it to you. You all can give it to you. And we just can't let them divide us over this religious issue. They tried to do it on the Negro. They said that there's too much for Negroes. But I didn't point Shriver accidentally. I picked him and I knew what the problem was and I want to put him in charge of it to look after him. All right, Mr. President. Let me talk to you about this and tell him what you've indicated to me and to us. Maybe he will want to call you and it's all right to be there. That's good. All right, thanks, Mr. President. Hello? Mr. Secretary is still here. All right, hello, Steve. Mr. Sague, how are you? Yeah. You get old of these Temple, Negro, Jim, Laney and Kerry and talk to them. Well, if I talk to Kerry, I'll heart them. I've talked to Delaney already and, of course, they've gone away over the weekend now. The rules committee, we can get a hold of them later. Oh, yeah. But the thing now is I'm getting the bill out of the out of the education of the labor. Yeah. You don't mind what, particularly what language they put in the report. Well, I don't care. What I want to do is we want to treat everybody right and we're going to and I wouldn't have pointed tribe at the job if I had not appointed a Baptist preacher if I wanted a discriminator against somebody. You don't have to tell me, Mr. President, I've told you and I've told each other so many years. We don't have to tell each other. Yeah. But how? What hour? I'll look at the license. Well, I'll protect them. I'll tell you that. All right. Bye. Bye.