 This is the OTP presented by Farm Bureau Health Plans. Plan on paying less for the coverage that you need with Farm Bureau Health Plans. Get a quote today at FBHP.com. I'm Amy Wells and we have all returned to Ascension St. Thomas Sports Park here in Nashville. Brett Bryan is here, Coach Mack of course is here and Ramon Foster. We're all recovering from the week that was in Indianapolis at the 2024 scouting combine and so I figured we had to all get together and kind of just debrief, really review what has happened and then we can move forward with the pre-draft process and I guess we should start with Ramon who was at his first, oh second, but first scouting combine as a observer, as an analyst as opposed to a participant. What did you think? I thoroughly enjoyed it. You got an opportunity to see the NFL work. This wasn't like a bunch of outsiders of people trying to sell you product. This was about the game, whether it was something that can enhance the players as far as that type of product placement or just simply watching agents be at dinner with their players, watching coaches walk around downtown Indianapolis and just be guys and just seeing the different circles and groups and the players start to come in. You realize that's okay, we're closer. We're one step closer and I enjoyed being on that side of it of course where some real reporting was going on. It wasn't just rumors and that type of stuff and if you know the game too as far as it goes and Coach Mack, we've talked about this before, that's also where the pre-free agency sets itself up. You understand that's the case and just how serious it is to see different GMs of different teams walk through the hotels and on the streets and just everybody has their room and everybody has their section of Indianapolis that they're working through. But I was also more impressed too with watching with, you know, analysts' eyes and not players' eyes been shocked by it, how interconnected Indianapolis is. You have the breezeways that you don't have to walk outside or the hospitals and the hotels and the convention centers and stuff like that. It's a unique place and on this side, I enjoyed seeing it without a whole lot of pressure and anxiety on me too. Well, I'm excited to add Ramon to the keep, the combine in Indianapolis Forever Club. We have jackets. I'll get you one. Thank you. Look at this. We got gifts after the fact. Yeah, that's what I'm here for. Rhett, you've been to the combine with us a bunch of times. We had the opportunity to talk to a lot of different guests here on the OTP. What conversation stuck out to you is being exceptionally interesting? I think I'm always intrigued by what Daniel Jeremiah is watching because he's done it for a living. He's been a scout and has been around for a long time in that regard, played college football and so I'm always interested to hear not only what his top 50 is as he gets closer in this process, but positionally what he's watching for, numbers as it pertains to that first round of the draft, all those kinds of things. Always interested in what he has to say. Charles Davis always. And then I enjoyed our conversation with Cynthia Freeland too. This is so good with the numbers. She just brings it with the numbers. Mack, you've been to every combine that has ever taken place. In the history of Indianapolis. In the history of Indianapolis. What made 2024 a little unique from past combines? Well, it's a television show now. I mean, it really is. And I will say this, and again, I'm as old school as it gets with a combine because I've been there from the start. I was there from when nobody could get in except players and coaches. That was it. I thought that the fans being there added a whole lot to it. I thought the fans were great. There were 16,000 fans in the stands Saturday morning. Wow. I mean, it was, you could feel the juice and the energy in there. You could tell that the players did too. And the coaches, I sit with different position group coaches the whole time or different people come up and sit with me. And everybody commented, you know what? Because, you know, the first thought was, we're going to have people there. How's that going to be? It was great. The fans being there were outstanding. And then, you know, to be there on a historic run, the fans just, they lost it. But it, they went crazy. And it added, it added to the event. Even the last day Sunday when the offensive linemen were working out, there were probably 3,000 fans there. And they applauded every one of them as they ran. And they did. So I enjoyed the fans being there. I really did this time. I thought it was the best representation of the fans since they started allowing fans to come. It seemed to me as we were just kind of milling about one of the conversations that were taking place in Indianapolis a lot was that teams are kind of changing their approach to the Combine Week. Not that they aren't coming or that they're not still ingesting the information that you need to get, but the approach is a little bit different. Is that something that you observed while you were there because you stayed there even longer than the Titans Radio crew did? Yeah, well, there were 5 head coaches that didn't come. So that's 27 that did. So everybody is still taking information from the Combine. But what is going on now, the schedule has changed. The schedule has changed with the Combine. It used to be, Amy, everybody would have to stay all week because the interviews went on all week. And the interviews started at 6 o'clock at night. They started at 6 o'clock at night. So once the interview started, you were there from 6 to 11, 30 or 12 interviewing and then up at 6 o'clock the next morning to go catch the weight lift. It changed the schedule so that now the interviews are earlier in the week. So if you get your interviews out of the way, you can go. Now, position coaches still stay. All the suites still had people in them. But I think now changing the schedule the way they did allowed guys to come in, get the work done, and then leave rather than have to stay the entire week. Now, some people stayed the entire week, myself included, and most of them did. But I think the change in the schedule, it's better for the coaches as far as just organization-wise, and it's much better for the players. It's much better for the players. Now you don't have any late night meetings. Let's talk a little bit about these players and some of the work that we saw in the field. And I want to start with quarterbacks, right? I'll start with you. Were there any guys who really did a lot to help themselves this week, kind of make some money in Indianapolis? So a couple that come to mind. One is just because some of the top-tier quarterbacks didn't work out. So this is addition by subtraction, and that would be J.J. McCarthy from Michigan. There were 18 players from that national championship team, invited most ever by one college outfit in any of the previous combines. And because J.J. and Daniels didn't work out there, and Caleb Williams and Drake May. So those things, I think, helped him really have a chance to put himself as probably the fourth quarterback taken on night one of the draft. And then the quarterback from Tulane, Pratt, he really had a nice combine. Had a 36-inch vertical leap. I think he led all quarterbacks in that regard. And we saw him in Mobile. And of course, Tajye Spears has been telling me about Pratt for a couple of years now. But he's a guy that, including Daniel Jeremiah, thinks that he's going to get a chance to play in the league at some point. Now, he won't be night one, Thursday night, first round, take guy. But those two guys, I think, helped themselves this last week. I think, for sure, like Rhett said, the opt-out of some of these other guys enabled, I would say, Joe Milton be put on highlight a little bit more. And I'll say this, coaches love measurables. And at some point, some coaches are going to think they can coach them up. The same way I feel about Spencer Rattler. I don't think you had the greatest showing at the combine as far as Spencer Rattler goes. But he was there. He was available. And you got an opportunity to see him. Now, coaches know what they have the opportunity to work with. And that's the same way I feel about him and Michael Pinnick Jr. Those dudes were guys that stayed there and dropped a deep ball. And maybe they didn't connect with the receivers down the field. But you got an opportunity to throw a motion. You got an opportunity to see some of the touch that they had and the ability that they will compete. And I think those guys needed it. I think Joe Milton needed it. I think Spencer Rattler needed it. And I think Michael Pinnick Jr. did also. And they were middle of the road, I think. But of course, you look at their projections and what you can see in their skill set. And they put it on display. Joe's touch was actually better. I feel like then it was at the senior bowl. I thought Spencer Rattler from what we saw at the senior bowl took a step back. But in the spirit of competition, Coach Mack always reminds us don't be an incident evaluator. And in that, just because he had a so-so combine throwing, I think it's Pro Day could bold well for him with his receivers and what he's capable of. First rounder, no. But as far as depth and growth in the league, he'll have the opportunity. Mack, with some guys making a name for themselves in Indianapolis with some guys sitting out, how is that going to impact the rest of this draft? Because I know you always talk about the quarterback draft and then everybody else. Yeah, well, I think J.J. McCarthy put himself as the fourth quarterback. He put himself as the fourth quarterback. So what that means is there's teams at 10-11 and 12 that need a quarterback. They may be looking to trade up because those top three will be gone. So J.J. McCarthy has put himself in that conversation. Now, the rest of them that showed up, they are second and third day guys. They're second third day guys. Whatever flavor you would like to take on them, they're there. Spencer Rattler had a better senior bowl than he did a combine, but at least he did both. I thought, as Ramon said, Michael Penix was fine. Milton, look, you know every time you go, it's going to be a carnival seeing how far he can throw it and how deep he can throw it. That's number one. And so I don't think he changed anybody's mind about what he is and where he will be. But J.J. McCarthy elevated himself into that next level here in the first round where somebody may trade up to get him and may try to jump up to either five, six or seven, which would include the Titans to try to get a quarterback. Rhett, the wide receivers group is a group that we've talked about over and over and over and over again. Did it live up to their billing this week? I would say so. Now that's another takeaway from the combine overall is it seems like players are getting faster every year regardless of position, but nine wide receivers, nine of them with a sub 4, 4, 40 yard dash. And a lot of them way south of that, including the man who broke the record and Xavier Worthy from Texas. In the conversation that we had with Daniel Jeremiah, and I can't remember who else we talked to for that week for the OTP. Jordan Reed. Yeah, and Jordan Reed too. We were talking about how many receivers just might go in the first round. I think that number went up after last week. Seven to eight was kind of the number in my mind. I think it's closer to 10 now. Do you agree with that? I do too. And the thing that I don't want to do is minimize, I've heard some people make the conversation, well, they're training for the 40. Say what you want to about it. These guys are just fast. You don't have this amount of guys in the sub 4, 4s running this speed if they're just not getting fast. Let's go back, like I like to say sometimes, believe what your eyes are telling. Believe what you're seeing. And Ladd McConkey, you have Ricky Pearsall, even in the 4, 4s, these guys are running. And then for the ones like Xavier Legat is the guy, I think Rand, high 4, 4, maybe 4, 5, you don't deny his playmaking ability though. That's the conversation that you're having too is you have the 40 means a lot. But you look at these guys separate on the field and the amount of volume that they have catching balls in college. And of course, when they're coming up, the amount of 7 on 7, this is what they do. This is where they're specializing in. And I enjoyed watching those guys run, but not just that. They're performing at a rate that you say to yourself, if you don't get that top first rounder that you want, the quality and quantity at this point is there for you in the second, third, fourth round also. Well, Rex said there were nine wide receivers under 4, 4. And I sat with the receiver coaches. I mean, everybody was amazed. I mean, it was just time after time, 4, 4, nothing, 4, 3, 9. I mean, all of that stuff. There were seven wide receivers taken in the first round in 2004. Okay, I think the number will be 8 this year. There will be 8 in the first round this year, because to me, I mean, it's, that was an incredible showing. And by the way, Leggett, Leggett ran a 4, 3, 9 there. So he put a 4, 3, 9 up. And Leggett didn't have the greatest senior bowl, but he re-emerged himself with his workout at the combine. You could see it, you know, his vertical jump was 40 inches. He was a 10-6 broad jumper, 221 pounds. So he rebounded from the senior bowl. So the combine helped Leggett regain some traction. Well, and Leggett was dealing with a left ankle or a lower leg injury on his left leg during the senior bowl a month before. So he clearly had put in the treatment time to get that worked out. But to what they're saying about, you know, these testing numbers, yes, I think a lot of it is their confirmation on what scouts and evaluators have seen previously. Like, I think about that great OTP that you did with Dane Brugler of the Athletic. He said that, fall in love with the tape, not the tag. And that he meaning the tag that you put on your big board in the war room, don't fall in love with that name on that tag. The tape that you have seen, that is the evidence that you need to see for not only the skill set, but the athletic measureables, all those things. Well, let's talk about that a little bit, because as you guys mentioned earlier, Xavier Worthy broke the record for 40 time at the combine, 421 was that time, which is rather quick. It's very exciting. It was really an exciting thing to watch. Mac, you were there. I'm sure it was bananas. You know, first of all, the numbers that, you know, for the OT people, the numbers they post on television, those are not official numbers. And so when he ran his first, he ran his first 425, but the timers, the timers, of course, anyway, I know what was going on. The timers told him, hey, you're close, because a lot of time, a lot of them had faster than 425. He had gone, he had taken his shoes off, and he was done. And then when they told him, well, you're close, he went, okay, so he started lacing them back up, and the crowd went nuts when they saw him. Now, they were clear at the other end of the field, but they were watching him. He starts lacing them back up, and then people are going, wow. Because normally, dudes run a good time, they're done with that part of it. And plus, I don't think he was going to do any drills anyway. He was there to run. I mean, he's 6'1", I mean, but the guy's weighs 165 pounds. Now, don't let that fool you, because he's got massive production at the University of Texas. He and A.D. Mitchell were legitimate dudes with the ball in the air there. So, he starts lacing them back up. Well, then he gets back down there. Now, everybody, the whole billet, because he's the last one. They go alphabetically worthy. W, I mean, I had a good education. It's at the end. It's at the end. So, when he took off, you can tell some of those guys can run, and like I say, some of them can run-run, but this guy run-run-run. I mean, everybody was watching that going, whoa. Now, the time came out at 422. And of course, he does a victory lap at 422, but that's not an official time. So, I'm watching him, and all of a sudden, one of the timers turns around to me and goes, and I go, so that's when I texted the whole Titans Radio crew. I said, he may have 2-1. Wow. On the official. Well, T.J. Hushmanzata was one of the receivers that was down there, you know, as a mentor to those guys. He and Michael Irving and Steve Smith, Michael Irving and Steve Smith were doing a streaming thing. So, all of a sudden, I see T.J. Hushmanzata grab a group of guys and he goes over to Xavier Worthy and he starts looking, points to the phone and shows him this. And all of a sudden Worthy just screams and runs out of the building. He just takes off running right through the tunnel. And then, so, T.J. Hushmanzata's on, come on back, come on back, come on back. And then he was telling him that the official was, you know, they'd already, it was 421. And so then later on, they announced it. Well, that's why I sent it to you guys on that text chain. I said, he may be 421 but he was the official and he was. And then after that, he was, that to me is, that's insane speed. Really, you know, now, he's got no pads on. But you watch him play. He plays fast. He's fast, fast. But that was a moment that was, it ignited the entire place. And there was a buzz about it inside for the rest of the time. Does that impact his draft suck? I don't think so. I don't think, because we knew it was fast. It's not like all of a sudden, you know, you were looking at a plow horse and he was a race horse. I mean, he could, he could always run. But just the fact, I tell you, I tell you what may impact a little bit just in coaches' thinking. He laced his shoes back up and went again. The competitive nature of the dude going, you know what? I'm going to go after it instead of just saying, I'm fine. I'm good. It's kind of like Roman Dunez did when he stayed and I stayed and watched him do the three cone drill about 15 times because he kept hitting the third cone and they don't count it. And he says, I want to get it done when everybody was gone. Everybody was out of the building and he was going to get it right. So you look at a lot of things this, but what you try to glean from, you know, the perimeter of it is some of their competitiveness and that will stick out big time. 421 will always be there in history. But just the fact that how he did it, the fact that how he did it and went back and went after it, I appreciated that. So I was watching this unfold on NFL Network and I think I heard Rich Eisen and Daniel Jeremiah say it. I think it was like 16,000 fans. You could the buzz was starting to build and then when he popped it, I mean, it was amazing. The thing about his draft status, like the durability part of this for him because I mean, he officially came in at 511 165 to put that in the context. The same conversations were had about Devonte Smith, former Heisman trophy winner from Alabama, who's the Eagles receiver. He was 175 at his combine and rang in at six feet in change. And then the guy who he broke the 40, John Ross, who was smaller, they worried about durability and unfortunately that didn't work out for him. He was 188. So I mean, this guy is skinny as a rail compared to what we're talking about here. So the durability in this is something that, you know, and of course, somebody would say, well, Rhett, you got to catch him first. I'm like, odds are somebody's going to take the right angle and catch him and may hurt him. Well, Ramon, when you see someone you talk about kind of the mentality behind what he did running again. When he comes into a locker room, he's a rookie kid. That reputation is going to proceed him a little bit. Is that something you like in a rookie and a teammate? I do. And I'll say what Coach Mack said just a second ago, talk back up what he said to the fact that he had the record in hand essentially and ran again after taking the shoes off. That does show as a competitive side that does show if he loses a rep, he's going to go back to the front of the line say, let's run that back. But here's the thing when you become the fastest guy, you don't want that to just be your thing speed needs to show but past catching or whether you go to special teams need to be his specialty too because as a young rookie at rookie at his size, what, third, second round, maybe it where you project the guy like him, he's going to have to be a teamer. Where are you fitting into the special teams first if that's a part of your identity or where can we incorporate you in these spot plays. When we put you out there and training camp and OTA's and mini camp, we need to see that speed making plays. I've seen a lot of guys either be real strong real big, real to all those types of things but the utilization of what you're born with. He was born with that speed. 4-2-1 may have been trained into him but you need to be able to see those types of things equate to the football field. It's just like or you see slower receivers just continuously catch passes and stuff like that. Well that's because they become especially a wide receiver. The speed is a caveat to what got you in the door. His ability to make plays with that speed is going to be something to where veterans I've seen in a locker room. Whether you're first rounder with a lot of praise or your guy that has a special tool like speed or strength or your ability to throw the ball really hard and fast, that doesn't matter in the NFL unless we actually see it on the field. And that's the beauty about it too and we've all had those conversations. The combine in these measurables get you in the door. Your playmaking ability keeps you in the door in those football facilities in those 32 cities. One more thing about the speed if you look at the top numbers in the combine over the last 10 years there's really maybe, I know one guy maybe two guys that turned out to really be players, player players. CJ2K CJ2K was a player 4-2-4 he held it for a long time until John Ross, not such a great player just you know an up and down career. So the speed is one factor and that's to Ramon's point. I mean it kind of is because everybody, if you're watching on television that's the one thing you can equate to is that guy's fast. But the nuances of watching him work out, breaking down tape, grinding tape, all of that weighs a little bit more than the speed but the speed part of it if it is also with football ability that's when you've got a player. So as I said if you look at the top 9 or 10 that have got the top speed in the history of the combine not very many turned out to be just legendary players CJ2K is a legendary player you know, so anyway. Yeah that's the whole story of the draft as it has become more popular and become such a thing that everyone views is that, okay there's athletes out there but are you a football player? Because if you got the marriage of the two you probably got the makings of a really good player maybe even an elite level player. And to add to that, Coach Mack was saying seeing John Ross was in a division that played him two times a year and I never forget the tag that you carry when you're the fastest guy ever at the combine we can wait to see him. Why? Because I need to see your speed and you know what happens when you get those veteran DB's that's been in a league for seven years they're going to punch you dead in your chest because one I know you're featherweight, two can you escape and get off the line of scrimmage and then if you can get past me how fast are you to get open? It's one thing to be fast but are you good enough to separate? That's one of the things we've liked about Rickip Herzog when we watched him at the senior ball and Lad McConkey is you can get open. That's one of the things I don't think Steve Smith senior was a fast wide receiver but he always got open. That's the separator to me when we look at those tools that you're born with naturally is what happens when you actually use them. When I was a head coach I drafted one of the most receivers in the combine one year. Had to have him. Who was it? Anquan Bolden. He ran four seven one. That's okay. Worked out pretty good. He was an okay player. I think so. 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I don't know why they make these big men run 40 yards but anyway go ahead. So what's the alternative though? Just make them run 10. Don't make them run at all. 20. 20. 20 in a cut maybe or set them up like it's a screen. One two steps and get out in space because that's going to be where they're utilized more at. Offensive line and running a 40 in a football game you know what you call it an interception in the other direction. That. An interception. Because normally you're not asking those guys to do that. No. And in max observation of all those hamstring pops they came between the 30 and 40 yard marks every single one of them. So 20. Probably a better option. To that same conversation though these guys have gotten faster also. Oh yes. There wasn't a lot of fours in this group but they're teetering on 5 flat 501. 502. You got a guy in Joe at 6.9 and I think he added a little muscle to him too in this time because I think they had him listed about 312 years, 320s. 321. 321 ran a 505 at 6.9. Body size and length you don't expect them to run like that at that weight and it wasn't just him a Marius Mims I saw his second run live and I said oh he moving and if I'm not mistaken he ran a 505 also yes no 507 and 340 pounds like you don't move like that and that's why I also think eventually the NFL with where it is right now and I've said this before I think we're going to get back to a bruising style of ball like I love the idea that we're passing the ball around but these guys are so big and so fast and so agile now that you may be able to just build the running game the way it was I'm not talking late 90s early 2000s but the idea that the run game may show his head more prevalent in today's game I think we'll see more of that because these guys are so much bigger and faster and athletic than even I mean 5 6 years ago. The drills they do for the offensive linemen are really good positional drills they do the pin and pulls and they time the pin and pulls they time the pin and pulls all of those things they do are really good I just don't know what you're getting from a 40 yard dash tell me what a pin and pull is I don't know what that means I will tell you thank you Ramon is the tackle I'm the guard the defensive players right here I am the pin guy I'm going to block down on this guy and then Ramon is going to pull me to move up on the linebacker what it does is it replaces gaps for linebackers it changes it changes gap schemes and then the down linemen always have to worry about not only the man over them that you're playing against but they have to worry about the man to their inside so you'll hear when you hear me on the broadcast this is a pin and pull scheme you call it counter-o counter-o-t call it whatever you want to it's blocking down and then pulling linemen from the opposite side to swab a hole and create a new line of scrimmage on the opposite side creating angles for run lanes you're getting a guy instead of having the defensive linemen come up the field as coach Mack just said knocked them off by hitting them in the hip the guy pulling around put them up on the second level to block the linebacker better angles that way creating a hole this is very informative here they have good drills now for that and they time it at the combine Rhett in watching some of these drills and watching these guys work out we had talked leading up to the combine that it seems like there was a bit of a separation there's a lot of talent within the offensive line group but there were a couple who had separated themselves to be the elite at the top of the group and then there was a little bit of a gap between the rest of them did anybody fill in that gap a little bit Tally Fuaga from Oregon State has probably helped his cause in that I mean he's if we're if we're talking the week of the draft I think coach Mack and I would agree that in that first pot or tier of tackles it's gonna be Joe Alt Olu Fashinu from Penn State and then you can start to fill in a Tally Fuaga from Oregon State um you know maybe in a Marius Mims maybe from uh maybe um Tyler Guyton from Oklahoma I mean there's there's several there that you're gonna be there may be gonna be in the bottom of that first pod but the the first two that are there are still Joe Alt Olu Fashinu yeah I think JC Latham is is in that is in that top tier and a Marius Mims moved himself up this is a mountain of a man he is a mountain of a man you see him standing next to normal humans down there on the floor it's not even funny but I think those guys there but then as he says you know Rhett Rhett said the Fuaga Tyler Guyton the guy that kind of jumped up now he's not in this level but you know I like to watch lower tier guys too uh was a guy that we liked that I liked we talked about at the senior bowl was at Tanner Bartolini the center from Wisconsin he tested out he tested out there so all of a sudden he's helped himself but there are to me they'll probably be in the first round I would say six tackles wow there's a chance that someone uh deems their guy a first round great guy because you don't know what the other folks are doing I mean the most since the AFL NFL merger in 1970 was seven tackles in 2008 the Matt Ryan year that he was drafted a quarterback there's been several years where six was a play it's at least that and there's a chance it could tie that if it's a crazy night bust it but just looking at the testing of this is I was taking notes while these old linemen ran on Sunday Tanner Bartolini both 40s handsome his 10 yard split 169 well Joe Alth at nearly 6 9 322 pounds his 10 split 173 and 174 respectively Central Florida offensive linemen Thailand Grable both of his 40s sub 499 Frank Crumb from Wyoming who had the blonde lettuce as they call it this huge long flowing locks 494 40 and then there's a from a different level of school South Dakota States Garrett Greenfield 6 6 3 11 highest set the record for vertical jump for an offensive linemen at 38 and a half inches these guys are ridiculous but at the top their game changers and what we were saying earlier about okay we got an athlete here do we have a football player I think that's what a Marius Mims is trying to show because he only had eight career starts at Georgia all the other things are there at almost 87 inch wingspan I mean can reach around the corner and tap you on the shoulder and then move his hand and go who was that Ramon you're having like a response to some of these numbers why is this so impressive to you because again the sizes of these dudes is what's getting me like these dudes aren't like they're just I feel like for a while the NFL got lighter as far as the interior guys I mean the offensive line guys went and they try to go more athletic and I even see some of these guys coming in now as recruit watching recruits watching the college world they're coming into like 360 cutting then trimming down to like 340 330 and but their athletes like I always thought a Marius Mims was big I thought JC Lake them at Alabama was big and then you see them Coach Mack as you just said like a Marius Mims I'm not sure if there's a better looking offensive line prospect as far as just body type that you say to yourself or he's got the right coast the right system right mind and you expect them to have that always coming out as a five star guy then he should be a pro on either the right side or the left side and then you see a guy like JC Lake them that may be a little bit more softer of a body then let's go a Marius Mims but then you see the way he moves you watch his tape and when you're talking about is he a football player yes they are and it's not even just we spoke about the six or seven tackles that may go in the first round let's talk about the top 100 potentially in that you have Cooper BB you have Jackson Powers Johnson you may have a toilet guy you have a Jordan Morgan Alice Frazier Alice Frazier you got the Yukon Guard also who are top quality guys like to be able to spread around this wealth you got two dozen guys in that 100 easily in that 100 and not even to mention the guys who you say yeah we can coach him up there's a guy or two that's going to be a project that can bold well for you I think you got more quality and I got to give credit to the portal you got to give credit to the COVID year potentially to them getting an extra year or maybe these guys that may be coming out younger having to sit behind an older guy and watch them be pros in college too so there are some benefit to it and you just got to appreciate the big like I said I was just amazed that the agility and speed of them at their size you're not supposed to be 346 running a 5 flat you know and again it was just it was fun to watch that group it really was because you know and and we're you know we like to dig a little deeper here on the OTP you know rather than just the bigger names I mean we talked about Tanner Bartolini Brandon Coleman the guard from TCU 643 ran 499 I mean he'll be a fourth rounder but he vertical jump 34 inches you know that that big Mason McCormick is a guard center from South Dakota you know I mean I mean the guy the 508 40 I mean you watch him you can move Christian Jones the offensive lineman from from Texas he's an offensive tackle 65305 I mean there's a that's the third round guy right there that had a solid senior bowl but he showed out here to come and of course we went through I mean Joe Walt is and you go okay. The guard from Boston College Christian Mahogany Christian Mahogany yeah I mean so what these guys are saying is 100% true and then and then Fouaga and Fautner Morgan State in Washington these dudes are up there you gotta like I'll tell you another guy too because I watch these guys because we might need one is Roger Rosengarten from Washington the offensive tackle that was that we watched down there 65308 492 good movement I mean everybody was saying he's a guard well you watch his movement I mean he could be a tackle the way he moved his feet out there so all of these guys did themselves Zach Frazier from West Virginia the center Christian Haines from Yukon the guy he was talking about I mean I watch these guys pretty close and you get a good player that can play for you for six or eight years in the third and fourth round you're happy and some of these guys they're gonna go that deep here on the OTP we we don't discriminate we like all the parts of a football game and we have only been talking about offense the entire time that we've been here so I feel the need before we wrap this up to at least acknowledge that there were defensive players in Indianapolis because there were and there were some guys who really had great showings and so I'd like to hear from each of you maybe just a defensive player or two who really stood out to you because I feel bad that we're not giving that whole side of the ball any love and they deserve it or at least some of them do right Mac I look for a nickel corners were outstanding the corners were outstanding and and and let me just give you some names of nickel corners these are not the guys on the edge these are nickel corners take Juan Hardy from Penn State 42 and a half inch vertical jump I mean the dude is gonna play over the slot Andrew Phillips from Kentucky 42 inch vertical jump that shows you the explosion Max Melton from Rutgers Mike Keith's favorite interview at the senior bowl Max Melton 11 for broad jump I mean he is a bull terrier and and and he he will be there Mike Sanestrell from Michigan 1011 broad jump he's gonna be a nice nice nickel in this league those are the nickel guys that I was watching just expressly and then I'll let these guys go into the other guys on the edges because the how many ran for 4 4 or less there I think there were 9 that ran 4 4 or less their players there at the cornerback that's a deep position I think our OTP OTP listeners know about Braden fist so I'm not even gonna mention him anymore in the combine that he had but it's three other detackles that I fell in love with watching the numbers and just watching their tape to and as Ruka Rohoro out of out of Clemson big body guy can still got so much room to grow Chris Jenkins Junior also him was a guy his measurable is pretty much lined with what his dad did out of Michigan that was insane to see that one a plate against his dad now he's got a kid potentially going in a second and third round and then the other one was DeWayne Carter another big body guy to Duke that performed well and you can say to yourself as much we talk about this offensive line here in Tennessee there is a need for defensive tackle help to I like these guys and we heard Brian Callahan talk about he won't guys from big programs these dudes all play big ball and understand how to play it and each one of them has a mean streak in them that I enjoy and like you paired it up with a guy like Jeffrey Simmons I mean again the body types of these do suggest that they can be space eaters but also playmakers to a Dwayne Carter from Duke is one of those that I think coaches are going to try to figure out where does he play because he played on every position on the defensive line in his time as a blue devil there I've got three guys and I will mention Braden Fisk from Florida State because here's this guy at 63 292 one of our one of my favorite interviews from the senior bowl 33 and a half inch vertical leap 9 foot 9 inch broad jump 40 yard dash 4 7 8 in fact he was one of 7 defensive linemen with a sub 5 second 40 yard dash and then Marshawn Nieland his former teammate who still was at Western Michigan Marshawn Nieland 63 267 702 three cone drill 33 and a half inch vertical leap 9 11 broad a 4 7 5 40 and then a safety that I've kind of been watching out of Oregon Evan Williams Evan Williams 40 and a half inch vertical leap 10 6 broad golly I mean there's so many and in these defensive players I mean one of the top pass wrestlers at the top from Alabama Dallas Turner 4 4 6 40 chop Robinson Penn State 4 4 8 40 some of these guys have got some wheels but I really like Marshawn Nieland and I really like Brayden Fisk to go with them the names that they're bringing are guys that are second third day guys which is important because the Dallas turners the Jared versus those guys are gone yep okay they're gonna be they're gonna be gone gone and rightfully so chop Robinson worked himself right up into that at the combine so these names are bringing up the draft is much more than about the first round I got one one guy I think took his stock up even more and we talked about him at the senior bowl at cornerback Quinion Mitchell coach look Quinion Mitchell is no long you're right yeah he's the worst kept secret in this track it is no secret he may be and I said with a big group of defensive back coaches they're looking like because you know Terry Arnold is a really clean player he ran 4 5 now he's the number one corner he ran he's a very clean player he's sticky he's instinctive played it out of Alabama look he's and and versatile because he went from safety to corner he may very well be the first corner taken but Quinion Mitchell has done nothing but elevate himself in the eyes of people that make a decision in the national football league and the reason I bring that up coach Matt because he may be middle first round and let's say somebody want to deal with the Titans and you got to decide if you want to go get a corner get a tackle or if there's an edge because a quarterback draft as you always speak about pushes you back and also pushes good talent back like Quinion Mitchell may be hard to pass on just because of what you expect him to do and what he's already done in college and of course his numbers let me say something else about that we talk about getting into the mindset of guys he had a chance to get in that transfer portal numbers of times but he said you know what Toledo gave me a chance I'm going to stay here Toledo and he's done not only that but he's worked himself every every test that he's been giving the senior bowl was a huge test he stepped up mastered it the combine mastered it but the fact that he said you know what I'll stay here because they gave me a very Pat Tillman ask very right so in terms of loyalty and staying in a spot Quinion Mitchell he'll be a footnote at his college at Toledo he'll just be the second player in their athletic history that has been drafted in the first round of the draft decades ago Dan Williams a defensive lineman who had a nice career was a first round pick out of there he'll be the first first round pick out of the Mack conference since the Titans to Corey Davis in 2017 he I mean it's done I mean he I would be shocked if he wasn't a first round pick and I don't think that's going to happen was even cooler too with him he's supposed to run fast all right with his projections 20 reps on the 225 thank you can we mention that couple like everybody got something dirty about that we're talking about the big boys running right that ain't what we do okay little guys on bench like this they may get 8 to 12 or even 50 he pushed out 20 reps on 225 and a guy with longer arms to know he's not you know you know what that tells you he's worked at it he's a grinder he's a grinder yep you guys this is so great I just I I'm having a little moment over here the combine is in the rear view mirror now but there's still so much to talk about as we continue on heading towards the draft at the end of April April 25th through 27th in Detroit that is the NFL draft but before we get there we still have pro days at schools to get through we still have 30 visits where the individual clubs bring people in get to spend a little bit more time with them get to know them a little bit better so we still have ways to go here do we have any final thoughts as we are wrapping up this portion of the pre draft process and moving on towards Detroit one more thing for agency yeah here it comes it's knocking on the door that's the next on the docket the thing the thing you learn and I heard somebody on this panel say it don't be an IE don't be an instant evaluator keep your powder dry we don't draft until the end of April fall in love with the tape not the tag on the wall and it'll be fascinating too it's a free agent mark right there what resets or settles the draft as far as the quarterbacks you got a bunch of quarterbacks who have valuable plan time in NFL Kirk Cousins Russell Wilson etc that may reshape what the draft does also there's two teams and two quarterback situations that I think mold that to his point for obviously the first overall pick with the Chicago Bears do they deal Justin Fields and if they deal them to Atlanta who's sitting at eight then that's the two teams I'm talking about but if for some reason Atlanta isn't able to make that happen or they bring in Kirk Cousins and sign him that's going to change you know there's two trade partners right there with who these young guys are at the top of that quarterback pod but that will shape it for that first night of the draft this time of year when I was coaching you start to work the phones that's fascinating there's just so much good happening right now there's so much excitement and we're going to cover all of it here on the OTP we've got you OTP people don't worry so subscribe comment tell all your friends about the OTP because we have all the information right here everything you need to know and these guys are going to help us all along the way so for Ramon Foster coach Mac rep Brian I'm Amy Wells and this has been the OTP