 Hi everybody, this is Christian Buckley doing another MVP buzz chat and I'm talking today with Angelo. Hello. Hello. Hello Chris, nice to meet you. So for folks that don't know you, who are you, where are you located and what do you do? Okay, so I'm Angelo Gulisano, I come from Italy, I live in a small town near Milan in the north of Italy. I have 35 years old. I work as a productivity solution manager, so my key responsible is to drive the team who develop a solution based on power platform, power automate, power up to share point and I usually also draw the architecture of solution based on Microsoft technologies. Very cool. Well, so a topic that I focus on a lot in my own, my day job and multiple companies I've worked for is governance and it's important, I'm just interested to know how, what your approach is to governance around the power platform solutions, like what do you do within your own company to make sure that the quality of what's being built by end users of your company is, you're being compliant, you're not breaking things and that they're scalable solutions. Yeah, but basically we adopt a different environment when we build a solution. So we start with the environment on our 365 environment, then we use the quality assurance environment to allow our customer to validate our solution and then we move it on production environment. We split the environment to check every step with the customer. That's great. It's always good to hear that people aren't building directly on production. It's not a good idea. No, unfortunately, though, I've had too many experiences with that at previous companies, but no, that's great. So tell me, what was your journey to becoming an MVP? What, like, what was the process for you? How long, how long was it something that you thought about and pursued? Okay, so my, in general, my career started around the 50 years ago. I started as a Aspenet developer and then after four years, I started to develop a solution on SharePoint 2010. So I have a solid background on this platform. And recently, my main focus has been on Power Platform. I have been participated as attendee in events such as SharePoint Saturday, Global Power Platform Bootcamp. And in my mind, I have always seen speakers and BUP as a sort of gods. Four years ago, my previous boss and friend told me, you're good. There is no reason why you can't become MVP. You should try. Wow. So I searched information about how to become a Microsoft MVP and I understand that the key is sharing, is sharing, sharing knowledge with other people. Okay, you should have a solid background in my experience, but the key is help others to adopt their technologies. So I started about four years ago on my blog, angelogolizano.com, to share my knowledge and also to keep in mind some solution also for me. Then I started my first speaking session at the Power Platform Bootcamp with my friend Marco Rocca. But it was February 2020 before COVID. So after this session, it wasn't possible to have other possibility to do some other speaking session. And after the pandemic period, I tried to submit a new speaking session. And I was accepted at VPCDays. It was online. And I know my friend Fabio Franzini is also a famous MVP. Yeah. And I started to do some sessions with his support. It was a really mentor for me. And after this experience, I do some other speaking sessions with him. And I know a new world for me. I love to share my knowledge, to know new people, compare myself with the best expert in this sector. Then I participated as speaker at the Global Power Platform this year. Modern workspace in Paris, Power Talk in Belgium, et cetera, a lot of other events. I started to publish some samples on the PMP Power Platform repo. And this year, I became an MVP. Oh, that's great. And I know for a lot of people, too, that I don't have the opportunity to try and present at all of these events. I think in some ways that the pandemic, the lockdown, helped a lot of people see that you don't have to just, there's just one path, one way to get out there and give back to the community is by speaking at these events. And I know a lot of people have a huge fear of speaking in public, too. But you could just as easily create video contents, do self-hosted webinars, webcasts, live broadcasts, a lot of people that started streaming, live streaming, and going through and doing things. I mean, there's a lot of ways that you can have a similar experience. I don't know how you feel about presenting in public, because it's something that still makes you really nervous, or is it difficult for you, or has it gotten a lot easier? So, in my opinion, basically, I prefer to do speaking sessions in person. First time, I was a little bit nervous, but now I like it. I like it because I love to share my passion. And I think about the people that are here to know and understand the argument that they don't know. So, they are here for me, and I try to do the best to share a lot of knowledge with this person. So, now I like it. Yeah, I really like it. But I agree, in person, because a lot of times when you create content, I'm ready to go with 50 slides and four or five demos within that content, knowing that people are going to ask questions, and I might never get to half of the content that I was planned to go and present. It could be taken in a very different direction, depending on the interaction. But I enjoy that. I mean, when I know that people are getting more out of that, they're having their questions answered, that helps me to better understand what are the concerns or the issues that the people are struggling with the concepts, the products that I'm sharing. I'd rather have that level of interaction and get through four or five slides and two demos, than go through all of my material and not have a single question. That's definitely part of the problem I have with doing online. I wish people would speak up more and ask questions through the tools. But yeah, no, I agree. Well, it's great to, again, a great example of having an interest in it, starting to go and look at how else can I give back to the community, and then kind of creating that path forward for people. So what are the things that you're focused on? So you're a business applications MVP, and how long have you been an MVP now? Sorry? How long have you been an MVP from two months, two months, two whole months? That's my boy. So now that you're a seasoned MVP, you've been in the program for a while. So, you know, what's kind of next? What are you passionate about? What are you out there presenting and talking about? Yes, my future activity is rounding about other speaking sessions. I love to travel and meet some new people. So I want to do some speaking session in other countries, if it's possible, of course. And I like the argument regarding artificial intelligence applied to Power Platform. So I want to learn more regarding Power Platform regarding AI Builder or SharePoint C in text and share this information with other people. I was just going to say that I think that as we, on that topic, look, I'm interested as well. I think we're all, you know, as MVPs, we're all waiting to get our hands on the technology. I know there's some people that are in some early previews, but if you're not fortunate enough to be in, we're all waiting for the general availability of some of those capabilities. It was even thinking that Microsoft just announced would inspire their pricing for a co-pilot. And I'm thinking that that might be worth it to pay for that, even on my little tenant, just to play with the technology. But I think you're going to see this fall and certainly next spring, just a flood of content around Power Platform and co-pilot. And, you know, all the other products, of course, but I just think there's going to be, there's a lot of interest in co-pilot helping speed up the creation process and improve the creation process for Power Platform. Yes, yes, they give added value to customers, but also to developer. So I think the future is there. So my future goal from September is to learn about this technology and write a lot of blog posts on my blog to share this information and learn this specific technology with Power Apps. Very cool. Well, that's pretty exciting. So what's kind of your final, my final question is, you know, what is your... So you talked about some of the bigger events that you're doing. Are you doing anything in the local, the regional community? Are you involved at all with your user group or, you know, anything else locally? Not now. I want to be part of an organization about Global Power Platform Bootcamp next year. I want to try to give also my contribution to organize it. And if it's possible, also other events regarding local technologies. So Power Apps, Power Automate and some of the technologies that I love. Well, that's why I always encourage people that are looking for those opportunities. Again, you can, you can find out about different, some regional events, like go to the communitydays.org, for example. And you can find out there's a lot of stuff that's happening in Europe. So that's the, are you even aware of that, Angelo, the communitydays.org? Not, but they should. So take a look at that. And then you have a lot of events and you can go in and look for their call for speakers as well. And some events or a lot of those other events. There's a lot that are popping up in Europe. I think more than North America right now. But yeah, that's someplace anybody could go if you want to kind of dip your feet in the pool. But the other thing I always recommend to people that want to start speaking publicly is to find your local citywide regional user groups who are always looking for speakers. I know I, like I do a general call for speakers from my group here in Utah. And we bring in speakers from around the world. We've had people from Europe. Unfortunately, we meet 430 in the afternoon. So with the time change of eight to 10 hours with Europe, it's very late for them. But I guess come on and speak that way. Wow. Okay. So something people should keep in mind there too. So, well, awesome. Well, well, Angelo that really appreciate again, your time and meeting you virtually, hopefully get to meet you in person at the next MVP summit. But for folks that want to find out more about you and reach out to you, where are you most active within social platforms? Where's the best place to find you? Twitter on Twitter. You can find me on Twitter also on LinkedIn, but I have I more actively on Twitter. Excellent. Well, I'll include all, of course, all the links. You'll find it out on the blog at a buckleyplanet.com. You'll find it out on YouTube as well. So, Angelo, really appreciate your time. Thank you very much also for you. Bye-bye. Thank you.