 I mean, it's a little bit off because it's a physical card sometimes, but that fewer and fewer like you can get a bus pass That's just an app on your phone that is kind of like digital access to a game. I think the more the more Concrete difference is that you take up physical space on the bus when you're actually using it So you have to restrict you. Yeah, and and when you're playing a game locally, you're not taking up anybody else's resource Which goes back to what Alex was saying. Yeah Mmm. Well, if you want to know the beginning of that conversation patrons go get your get your MP3 Because it did not start with bus passes We are just a couple minutes out are you guys ready? I am Yeah, you know, you know in once in what state I was born You know, you know that if there was States in the United States of America and the Federation that I was born in as an American citizen that state would be named ready We don't have a Federation you have a Union a Union, okay. Well, you have a federal government. So right that's good point. We do have a federal federal system hmm, I Guess it's not a fact. I don't know what the difference is between a Federation and a Union One of them has the Prime Directive Yeah, aha And clearly you don't All right, let's get going. Are you guys set? Here we go Daily Tech news show is powered by you and you alone to find out more head to Daily Tech news show comm slash support This is the Daily Tech news for Tuesday, August 22nd 2017 I'm Tom Merritt Patrick Beja alongside coming to you from Finland, but his heart is made of France I've never heard anyone describe me more eloquently Well, thank you Patrick's good to have you alongside We're also going to be talking a little later in the show With our guest today, Alex Vandesande lead designer at Ethereum Foundation and Alex Apologize in advance. We have set you the task of explaining initial coin offerings to Patrick and me Well, I I hope I hope I can I know you can I did well if you recall we talked about ICO in our Abbreviated episode before July 4th back on July 3rd Alex wrote a great email that I read on the show kind of explaining some of the more nuanced details about it And so it's time to revisit this because we've got more and more of this showing up in the press You'll see ICO this ICO that even the country of Estonia wants to possibly do an ICO. We'll talk about that But let's start off with a few tech things you should know Google launch day news subscription called Chrome Enterprise that lets businesses subscribe to Chrome OS for $50 per device per year So it's enterprise version of Chrome OS Chrome Enterprise is compatible with Microsoft Active Directory has support for VMware's Air Watch with more mobility management solutions to follow I guess Google's traditional business model of ad wouldn't be as As acceptable in the enterprise setting. No, this is part of their enterprise cloud Effort and they had Chrome for workplace and this kind of seems to be replacing that. It's very similar The Super NES classic went up for pre-order Tuesday morning on the Amazon and Best Buy and Unsurprisingly went out of stock fast More pre-orders will be available for other retailers the Super NES classic ships September 29th So did you get one? No, I'm really not interested in those. It does have a nifty save state feature that allows you to save any game and even to Roll back a few like 30 seconds back if you die or something during a game. So it does have some bonus features Owners of the DJI spark UAVs have until September 1st to update firmware or the quad copters will no longer fly Very curious how they make that happen But firmware update is necessary anyway You'll want to do it because it fixes an issue that caused some sparks to experience mid-flight malfunctions Famously a few of them fell out of the sky in mid-flight. Most of them did not have this problem But this firmware makes sure that yours doesn't How do they block it if you don't do it? Well, I'm guessing if in the app that you use to launch the spark it checks an internet connection It can disable it But if you don't connect to the internet, so how don't use your phone to connect to the internet Yeah, until you know as long as you want to use it your faulty spark drone Here's some more top stories. This one definitely catching the attention of folks in our audience We saw it on the subreddit and in the slack crash plan has been notifying users It will shut down its consumer backup service and focus solely on small business and enterprise customers says they're two different businesses And they had to pick one so they picked enterprise They're trying to do their best to help you with the transition if you're a crash plan customer all current subscriptions will be honored until their end date and then you'll be given an extra 60 days to migrate after that now there is an end date to consumer period Which is October 22nd 2018 so more than a year from now if your current subscription Let's say you bought a two-year at once subscription if your current subscription ends after October 22nd 2018 Crash plan will then convert you to a small business account for the remainder of that subscription And you can decide if you want to stay on that once it ends Crash plans also offering a 50% discount on carbonite as a referral Though the wire cutter and several of our own analysts in the slack are headed to back blaze That seems to be a common other destination for folks our analyst PJC Reese was also discussing Hashbackup.com and our clone org as Linux solutions that offer destinations for multiple online storage vendors And iDrive.com is another one you might want to look at that's PC mags editor's choice Yeah, this is not you know, it's never ideal when a company Removes one of their tiers or types of services. It seems like crash plan is doing it the right way though They're giving you ample notification and making sure they honor your order and so it seems like they're and you could get a business plan It's ten dollars per month per device. So if that that suits your needs There's a few other support options and things in there you could stick with them if you want It's just that that's more expensive than back blaze and it's probably more than a lot of customers need right Android police reports its sources says Google its sources say Google plans to launch a new pixel branded Chromebook and a smaller version of the Google home speaker this autumn 9 to 5 Google notes the latest Google app APK includes references to Bisto a codename that appears to hint at headphones running Google assistant The code includes calls for a hearing and replying to notifications as well as indicating the presence of physical buttons on the supposed device So which are you more excited about and a cheaper version of a pixel Chromebook? or Some headphones with Google assistant built-in kind of like the AirPods. I Think it will be really interesting to get tiny Virtual assistants in our ears all the time once those assistants are Good enough that we can rely on them enough of the time We're certainly not there yet, but it just you know my my Technophile sense tingles when I hear that Google is developing some kind of Headphone enabled virtual assistant. I turned off Siri in my AirPods I just me too. I just want to double-tap to pause and I know that takes away the the volume control Which is kind of annoying, but I don't want to have the problem talk every time I wanted to pause the stuff That's the problem. The assistants are starting to get somewhat useful in some situations. They're certainly not Useful enough for those situations where you need to To to control more than just a few things When they do though, I think this is gonna be I mean it goes along It's basically we need an apt AI and that's not happening Quickly enough, but when it does those things I could absolutely imagine for some people and some users in some cases That little earbud thing replacing your smartphone Yeah, they need to make them look better. Hopefully Google's a look good US mobile carrier Verizon announced its unlimited plan is splitting into three starting August 23rd a $75 a month go unlimited plan can reduce your speed anytime at once if the network's congested So you're unlimited except when they limit you And it's all based on network conditions Also video is reduced in that plan to 40p on phones and 720p on tablets No matter where it's coming from Beyond unlimited is $85 a month that only reduces your speed after you pass 22 gigabytes That's a a more typical way of doing this and video is limited to 720p on phones and 1080p on tablets There's also some different tethering limits in both of these cases. There's a business unlimited plan It's pretty much the same as this $85 a month beyond unlimited plan It does have a higher 25 gigabyte threshold before slowdowns and some different tethering options customers on older unlimited plans We'll see no changes Accept your video if you're on an old unlimited plan your video is going to be limited to 720p on phones and 1080p on tablets Also video on on tethering is limited to 1080 as well So I yeah, I'm curious what you think of this Patrick from from that side Verizon went unlimited because T-Mobile kind of forced everybody to Unlimited and now they realize they are having problems managing their network And so they're putting in some more limits on their unlimited plans So I don't really have big issues with the idea of limiting unlimited as long as things are clearly Disclosed from the beginning because really there are two types of unlimited you have unlimited amounts of data in France we have Limits on the amount of data and you have limits on speed We typically don't have limits on speed in in France, but both Could be called unlimited if you're sold unlimited amount of data, but with a limit on speed Which in effect that reduced video resolution kind of is I don't think it's that big an issue What I have more of an issue with is those Outrageous amounts that you have to pay monthly. I in well, it's Finland But I pay 30 or 35 euros for unlimited and unlimited everything in that case but on the principle of it I think the issue of Unlimited it. Oh look unlimited is now limited. I think it's a little bit overblown as long as it's disclosed It's it seems like Okay, just to finish on this as I said in France we have unlimited We have limited amounts of data so you'll buy, you know monthly you're limited to 10 gigs or 5 gigs or 20 gigs, right? so for me something that doesn't have that kind of a cap is Unlimited already. Yeah, so maybe they're saying you get speed up to 22 gigabytes Then you may or may not get full speed. Sometimes you will it's all based on network conditions So it is it is a software unlimited these kinds of things were like as you said more annoying when you didn't know They were in place. They kind of hit it in the terms now. They're putting it right out front I actually think this is a great way of of tiering prices to say you're you're going to be at the back of the queue If things get congested unless you pay for a higher tier yeah, and and Really who needs more than 1080p on a tablet? Well, I don't like this for tethering because I just want my internet connection when I'm tethered you're right I'm probably not going to notice the difference of 720 versus 1080 on my tablet But some people will some people have better eyes than me and this is not the plan for them a study from e-marketer estimates the number of Facebook users between 12 and 17 isn't Facebook 13 Yeah, so so you essentially have a full year in there of people, but but it's the rate of growth number of users So yeah, right. Sorry. So the users between 12 and 17 years old In the US will drop 2.8 percent this year Facebook owned Instagram is expected to grow it's 12 to 17 year old audience by 8.8 percent and E-marketer says for the first time snapchat will pass Instagram and Facebook for total users in the 12 to 17 and 18 to 24 year old segments So Facebook teens leaving by the way 12 year old Facebook users exist They just call themselves 13 when they sign up So let's not pretend that doesn't happen and that's probably incorporated in these numbers, but but teens not Using Facebook according to e-marketer, but turning to Facebook's own Instagram So that's cool the conventional wisdom has been that Instagram is putting the brakes on snapchat But this implies that at least amongst teens snapchats doing just fine Yeah, that's a really I mean it's it says a lot it says first of all Facebook isn't cool anymore That's not, you know entirely new it shows the foresight of again a drum. I will never get tired to to beat Zuckerberg Seeing where things are going and making sure they are somewhat somehow present there by purchasing Instagram Snapchat is still very cool one thing which that made me think about and I don't know if you saw that Medium post by looking at the name straight Giuseppe Stutto who's a developer of admittedly an app that takes advantage of iMessage, but He's Explaining how he's seeing anecdotal evidence, but significant anecdotal evidence that teens are using iMessage A lot more essentially SMS. They just happen to be on Apple Apple products in his examples, so it's it's I think there's a lot to Explore about where teens are going and he's arguing that they are seeing stuff on Instagram snapchat All of those but then going on SMS to discuss them and to be with their crowds I mean that was an interesting one as well that this is a confluence of events that makes it true I'm not sure it means what he may think it means we know that teens Are more likely to have iPhones We've talked about that on the show recently and a lot of that has to do with discounted iPhones and the fact that iPhones are cool We but we know that's true And we also know the teens use SMS a lot and if they're using iPhones in great numbers and they use an SMS a lot They're using iMessage whether they want to or not Of course I think I think the the the interesting thing in there is we might have a tendency of thinking that they're all on Snapchat and Instagram and and those types of apps and Maybe they're really still a lot on SMS as well Yeah, I think that's true. Yeah, I don't think SMS Is seen as having the same opportunity as a social network And I guess what he's saying is unless you're using iMessage in which Apple has got you know some apps and stickers and things Right, maybe has an opportunity there. I still think that something that's available on Android and iOS Re-sms is much more vibrant than something that is only available on one platform Although granted sure yeah sure sure it's just that in the US purity the purity of the SMS system Which doesn't require you know accounts and you know, they're not gonna shower you with ads and all of this and maybe there's not even a question of monetization because maybe it's not as possible and all of these questions, but SMS might be in essence by design something that is more popular and easier to grasp then See even your dogs agree Tom even your dogs agree with all right, let's move on IBM announced a consortium to explore where the use of blockchain could benefit the food Supply chain IBM's blockchain platform will help companies implement better transparency and tracking Nestle Tyson foods dole Golden State Foods Kroger McCormick and company Unilever and Walmart are all members of the consortium And I want to bring Alex in a little bit before we talk to him about the main discussion story Because Alex I know blockchain part and parcel with what you're doing over there at Ethereum And we're finding more and more situations not just cryptocurrency not even just FinTech Where people are taking advantage of that public you know verifiable ledger that is the blockchain What do you think of this story about IBM's food consortium? Oh interesting phantom is that we talk a lot about blockchain as this very different and very foreign tech Right, but in the end a blockchain is nothing more than a fancy new word for database Right a blockchain is in a new way for someone to write a database in a way that it's not in one computer But it's distributed among thousands of computers everywhere and there are many Usages for it and Bitcoin uses it mostly for time stamping and one of the most I would say low hang a low hanging fruit for it it's just for you to be able to say here something happened at this moment of time and I think that this is sort of what IBM is trying to do there where you you can try to follow everything that happened on your supply chain and Online so you couldn't you take take a product in a product that is in your Fridge right now and be able to see the whole history of it And I think the advantage of that is that imagine that you you can you can track all those products Then you can try to see if there's if there's a million a million a million bottle of bottles of Milk saying that they all came from the same organic form Maybe someone can go in the blockchain and check look there's no way that this farm is handling that much milk Right, so it helps for you somehow trust what you are saying on the on the on the package the another example of trustworthy Uses for that kind of thing Recently in France there was an announcement that Microsoft is going to be working with Renault the car manufacturer to create an unalterable Maintenance ledger of the things that have been worked on on the car And that's through the blockchain obviously, so that's another another similar use of that technology I mean, and it's only as good as the people who scan the things along the way don't get us wrong But it is a really easy way To make that that database that you're talking about because this kind of scanning of of Cartons and crates and tankers is already something that happens It's just plugging this system in so that the the ledger side of it gets written Automatically and makes it easy for you at the end like you were saying Alex to be able to scan your own bottle Of milk and say okay show me show me the entire supply chain, so I know where this milk started Yeah, in the end all you need to do is ask for For those processors in the middle to for them to publish their data in some sort of open format That's all you need and in the end using a blockchain or using any sort of ledger technology Is a way for for a lot of companies to agree on some format where they publish their data You know where it it's it's linked and it's not under under the control of one company that can Change stuff, right? Yeah. Yeah Hey, so if you want to get all the oh, sorry Patrick, go ahead Just last question in the case of that maintenance car maintenance ledger Does that also mean that it becomes absolutely impossible for someone to go in and repair something themselves in that case Or I guess they can but then it won't appear in the ledger And so the manufacturer can say hey, you actually did it yourself that we're not gonna Yeah, yeah Folks if you want to get all the tech headlines each day in about five minutes Be sure to subscribe to daily tech headlines It's out there as a podcast at daily tech headlines comm you can get it as a flash briefing on the Amazon Echo And in the anchor app if you haven't tried anchor you can get good check that out Veronica's got stuff on there Jeff. Canada's got stuff on there It's all fun to swipe through on your phone and we've got daily tech headlines there as well at anchor dot FM That is a look at our top stories Now Estonia is Not the first country Russian China been exploring similar things But Estonia is considering creating its own cryptocurrency called est coin and it's not est the therapy It's est as in Estonia Estonia believes its e residency program if you've heard about that They have digital residency that anyone in the world can get Gives them the edge because they already have a technology and legal framework in place for e residents and so it would be easier for them to put in place on Cryptocurrency stone Estonia's managing director of the e residency program. Casper Corio said est coin Could be part of Estonia's effort to ensure its state can function entirely independent of its own territory Which I find fascinating to be able to set up your government in the internet So that it's not tied to a physical location. Anyway, if you want to find out more about this You can sign up at e-resident dot gov slat dot ee slash est coin But another thing they mentioned in this story is that they are considering an initial coin offering an ICO To establish this if they decide to go ahead and make est coin happen and Patrick you asked me today out of the blue What what the heck is an ICO with what is putting ICO on your radar Patrick? It's just you know, I I hadn't listened to the episode. You did early July went back and listened to it and it's incredible I So what you said in that episode only six weeks ago or so you were saying hey So there's this new term that maybe you've heard somewhere ICO it seems like something that's Getting trendy it was six six weeks ago. I think I've heard the term ICO 15 million times since then It's an incredible like and I I'm not quite sure if it's You know a buzz that will die down. I think we won't know until a long time from now But it's like all of those you know Bitcoin and blockchain and Ethereum and all of those technologies It's difficult to grasp and it's difficult to see I mean you can understand vaguely what it How it works and what it is but it's difficult to understand the The advantage of it really and the value of it and I think Alex when I got to that email that you sent You explained a lot of it a lot more clearly than then I could have so I was curious to Hear you talk about it a little bit more So initial coin offering, I mean I get the basics of it Alex Which is I'm going to sell my coins and that's how I raise money for the thing that I'm doing But why has it caught fire in the last six weeks or so? There is a very interesting question. So about Estonia I've heard them describe their project as Making a backup over their country on the cloud and I think it is indeed a fascinating idea And they are trying to clone their identities and clones a lot of things and as I was talking right? Blockchains are about databases and a lot about what a government does is doing databases Identities are that databases and other things and properties are also databases. So Bitcoin comes along and Bitcoin in the end is is is a large computer that pays for itself That's an interesting part of Bitcoin right is that all the technology all the all the Infrastructure that you need in order for for the Bitcoin network to be to be run is paid in itself By Bitcoin so the more Bitcoin go value goes up the more people want to invest in that infrastructure and the more strong the network gets so as Technology has been progressing more people have been figuring out more uses for this blockchain thing so it even comes along and The purpose of it even is really to help people launch their own blockchain project, right? so it makes it for easy for someone to create their own currency or for them to create something that you do with that currency and I think that's sort of where where this whole where the whole ICO craze comes along Where it's very very easy for you to create a coin in Ethereum, right? You it takes in the end if you want it takes five minutes of Coding and probably five cents and anyone could create some sort of coin But you can create something more than that you can create something that uses that coin you can for instance say look that coin has some utility maybe you trade that coin for For storage in a network or maybe use it as a rent of some kind or maybe you use it in some sort Representing some property or maybe you can have some control of something else and then Because certainly it has some utility people see some value on it And you can use that to raise money to try to build your project So a lot of people are using that in So I chose I would say is is disrupting a little bit the venture capitalist market most of the Most of the startups in each year are not being being created in Silicon Valley anymore. They are being created all Over the world and they are using ICOs to raise money to be honest. I hate the ICO wording because It's initial coin offering right first of all, it doesn't need to be an issue You could create some ICO that sells forever It's not necessarily a coin. It can be a token. It can be a vote It can be anything you you want and it's sort of so I don't really I So a lot of but I think the word is you can try to use token sale or something like but something like that But in the end, so that's that's the word Indeterminate tokenized sale just didn't have the ring The thing is the reason why the term ICO is popular obviously is because it mirrors IPO, but you're right it means something entirely different really what an ICO is is a blockchain ledgerized contract That gives the purchaser Certain rights or properties in the company that you're trying to build. That's really all it is Right. That's an end. It's also not Controlled in the same way that non cryptocurrency is but that's what it is right. You're just saying all right I want to sell it could be anything. I want to sell the rights to determine which furniture we're going to use in our headquarters and You can buy that for that token and that token is transferable and it's registered in the in the ledger You know in the blockchain ledger that we have and that could be one very goofy way of financing your operation Correct. Yeah, I think it goes a little bit more further than that Patrick because When you're thinking about a company, right? You're thinking well, what is the company? A company normally is some institution registered in the Delaware or maybe registered in the Cayman Islands that is backed in the end by a bunch of documents a bunch of lawyers and Everyone that is sitting on the board The rules that they play by are being enforced by those lawyers and by whatever court of law the company is registered in Right and and that's what in the end when you sell an IPO you're you're selling a right for something on that company and I think what is it really interesting about the ICO board and I think it's not the ICO But it really is the governance part because you what you could do is you could write your own company on the blockchain You could write the terms of your company in the blockchain You could write them the ownership of whatever they have on the blockchain. Maybe you could say look There is my company is governed by a board a board is elected The board is elected and then selects the CEO when the CEO selects someone to hire someone and that person will be selected To fund to get this money and pay salaries and etc. All those rules in theory right now. They are mostly just Culture of the company, but you could in theory pick all those rules and put them on the blockchain and Make so that they are out of my automated So you could have a company that is controlled not by Delaware But actually completely fully by the blockchain and then you sell the rights of access to that and Then you don't have Delaware or the Cayman Islands or anybody else's government Involved in how that corporation gets started. That's one of the big advantages That's a lot of reason people go with ICO's is they don't have to follow all of the bureaucracy That's involved with an IPO But how long before government start to try to get their handle on ICO's the way they have With varying effects tried to do so with cryptocurrency Well, they are already paying attention on them. They are already talking about it The SEC the security and exchange commission published a report where they where they were studying one specific ICO of a company which was called a decentralized autonomous organization and they have decided that And they they reported that they consider that sale some sort of security So a lot of companies are trying to are trying to adapt themselves to this new reality But I think it's not I wouldn't say that the biggest advantage is for companies to to simply Forgo the bureaucracy, but it's also it's also important on investor side Because in in order for you to participate in an ICO or the traditional investment You usually used to be need to have to be a credit investor, which Sometimes means you have more than a million dollars on banks and you have a and sometimes means you need to be an American Or you need to be to live in some place where you can trust the car system with With blockchain based ICOs what you could do in theory is that if you are a smart 15 years old with some access to each or a Bitcoin you could participate on that and it could be on the ground floor in Uber or in the new Uber which has of course the other side of the coin right where Suddenly because so many So many new people are participating you can have there are opportunities where people are being are being Led by by shady ICOs or companies the safeguards that you get from the bureaucracy aren't there either. Yeah It's basically doing to put it in in simpler terms that older people like me who were born before the internet will understand It's basically doing to financing or Transaction, but in this case financing What the internet did to I guess pretty much everything else But one example would be publishing where all of a sudden you didn't you didn't need a huge Infrastructure and investment to go and publish your information By a newspaper anyone could just register a domain and publish a website. I Would say that's a perfect man for because now we Exactly but but then you you using the internet you certainly can be a band, right? You can be a video producer. You could be you could share your music now I think that blockchain is doing is really is bringing one new pile or when you call them to the internet as a whole where now suddenly it can disrupt the the legal system and financing and and Governance in a in a way in the same way that you it has disrupted other industries before and it has some issues and of course In just the same metaphor in the beginning when people could could publish anything We had a lot of issues with copyright law and modern laws and a lot of industry had had to adapt and the behaviors had had to adapt also we had to to The public had to learn How to best behave and what's correct and what's not correct and I think we will have to go through that faith But even even if we put more safeguards in down the road It is an easier way for people to do something without having to have like you say as many lawyers involved and As much paperwork involved because like five minutes of coding you can make this happen Now in the future it may take longer because of safeguards and things like that But it it continues what Patrick is identifying is that trend of permission less creation Whatever that you're creating Well, Alex, thank you so much for for hanging out with us and taking the time to help us understand this little more really appreciate it Well, I'm the pleasure is all mine. I'm Whenever you need me you you know where to find me We're gonna read a couple emails real quick and thanks everybody who participates in our subreddit too at daily tech news show reddit.com We've got a vibrant Facebook group at facebook.com slash groups slash daily tech news show Travis aka Mechagobbler wanted to write in About the story of autonomized weaponized robots that we talked about the 115 so Researchers signing a document saying hey, let's make sure we do this right Travis said this hit close to home I work at the Office of Naval Research where autonomy is a big area of interest while I can't get into the tech I can say that the role of the human in the loop is of great concern here And there are a few stronger voices for responsibility for responsibly determining that role in the military as with many things The military works on there is a devout understanding of the balance between the necessity of having a capability and the gravity of Actually employing it especially when it concerns taking human life He's saying there are a few stronger voices for responsibly determining that role van the military thinks that they are Paying attention to that responsibility. Thank you Travis and then rich stroffelino who helps write and sometimes host daily tech Headlines has this to say about the cloud Hey DTNS crew the discussion around the transition from steam to electric factories shows that innovation and technology is often dependent on Changes in process to be effective We're also seeing this now in enterprise IT with a transition from on-premises infrastructure Aka racks of servers in a data center to the cloud While the cloud is often no-brainer for new organizations and projects Companies with decades of investment in infrastructure and workflows still struggle to justify the change apps need to be rewritten IT staff needs to be retrained or shook up fundamentally and organizational authority increasingly shifts from operations of infrastructure To software developers These have been identified for over a decade now and organizations are still struggling to keep up If you're interested in more on the process of the cloud check out the latest episode of a podcast I produce the on-premise IT roundtable which discusses why cloud is more than a remote data center You can find it on iTunes or at gestalt it.com slash podcast Thank you rich cloud another great example of what we're talking about with the internet and Patrick Beja is another great example of a lot of things like French spin comm is a great example of a place to get awesome podcast. What else you got going on Patrick? Oh, thank you. Well, I guess French spin comm is where you would go to Find my shows the shows I produce in English One of them is the Phileas Club, which the latest episode of is focus on India We had Mayank Come on the show and tell us how it was for him growing up in India in the 80s and 90s and all the way to how it's How life is in India in Recent years, so if that's of any interest to you go check it out that French spin comm and you can find me on Twitter and Facebook At not Patrick and of course Alex Vandesenda. Thank you again. If people want to find out more about Ethereum I assume they should go to ethereum.org anything else to let folks know about No, I think that there is a good resource We we build the we try to build the basic technology behind all these blockchains and smart contracts We are not an ICO platform. We are mostly about Building smart things with blockchain. I think that's important Excellent. 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I now understand a hundred percent more than I did before. Thank you That is awesome. That is awesome. Not Patrick Patrick once I think I sent you via Twitter When I finally understood your Twitter handle, it's it's actually like it's actually that my great painting, right? CC is not Patrick, right? I think that's that's where you're going with it Probably to be honest. I'm not even sure why I'm good where I'm going with it Well, Alex, I don't know if you're familiar with the live stream But after we're done we hang around and just kind of randomly chat while I produce the show You're welcome to join us But if you need to go, please go there's there's Veronica always and last I'll even go back to work on Mondays So it's entirely up to you Okay, well, you can help us pick the title then Roger. What do we got for title suggestions? So titles we have bark chains Estonia is a cloud country indeterminate tokenized sale ITS is ITS says we have Verizon's new unlimited unlimited or Verizon's new limited unlimited plan software unlimited Tom's Tom's dogs agree Barking at block chain like bark chain. Actually, that's a coin. Yeah Code 42 crushes your backup plans. Yeah, I got to figure that out Patrick technophiles senses tingle. That was good to I Crash plan crashes for consumers unlimited except for when they limit you Facebook is for grown folks Control I like make your own coin too. What do y'all think? I Like this Tonya this Tonya once Tonya's a cloud country est coin yeah Just to It's cloud country. I Like the I think I think the most appropriate one would be and not to jokie one would be indeterminate to organize sale I Really like Patrick technophiles senses. That's currently the popular choice as well Maybe you should go with Patrick finally finally understood block chain Understood block chain. It was the ICO things I didn't understand Okay If you go to showbot.tv Alex you can see all the submissions and the votes on Soft or unlimited from Veronica. No, it's not that bot different bot Okay, Patrick technophile senses Or chain I was bitten by by a radioactive technophile I Who hasn't That is true Well, Tom, I guess you're gonna have to be the deciding Person flip your flip your ICO or flip your initial coin Yeah, I'm not a big fan of the You're not a big fan of what The flip flip terminology because it's it's really about And stuff right flip Flip is a financial term Toss a coin, how's that? Why don't we Chance to see whether or not a coin that Tom throws up in the air and then will determine whether it lands heads up or tails I can just click and vote. That's cool. Yeah, but you can only vote once per title I'm torn between I'm torn between Estonia is cloud country and Patrick's technophile senses tingle So the cloud country is more Is more to me the topic by Patrick technophile senses tingles funnier Hey, it's just hard to hard to hard say or read The we didn't talk about it's Tonya a lot in the end we talked about But this is your argument for getting your name in the title. No All right, I'm going with the popular vote if I can't decide we go with the popular vote It's almost a tie there It's getting close You know if if by the time that I finished this ID three editing it's a tie then I'll have to change my mind Dammit, it tells me I've already voted for it. Ah Try to get it some distance getting our votes. Oh Estonia now is now just surpassed bar chains. Yes, but Patrick technophile senses Tingle Oh and both are by silver blade too, so it's it's he wins either way. Yeah. Oh and now we're Again, 11 to 10 Wow Well, I'm exporting and then I will be doing the the final ID three at it, so T2 T2 is is Has a great suggestion for show, but we should set a blockchain to confirm the titles Don't have, you know, any Synanigans they've only been voted on once and everything. Yeah, you have to you have to buy a showbot coin Mm-hmm. Yeah, and then you have the DTNF I feel Yeah, so your showbot coin Which is shit in suggested votes for Patrick as a title I think it might be a little bit too inside Patrick's technophile senses are starting to gain some distance now Oh, are they? Yeah, two votes up Is there already are there already projects for a blockchain based voting like elections Surely there must be well The thing and the thing about the thing about elections I mean you can do elections in small scale and small voting the problem of elections on larger scale or two First of all, it's about privacy It's it's you still very hard for you to do like a private thing There are some technologies that are enabled as but right now It's still very hard for for you to guarantee to your home remains anonymous and the second thing is really about I mean one thing is to launch a blockchain for a thousand ten thousand people another string complete thing It's something for a million or ten million people, but I think it's that's that's coming up some Yeah, there are some Social media where Blockchain-based social media where people are voting up and voting down stories and that's sort of a Little bit more similar Interesting. There's a there's a service called library to which is that this is not about elections This is about video. It just got me thinking about it library uses blockchain for assigning digital rights to videos So that that you you they can make them available freely or you can pay And then once you've paid it records the transaction in the ledger That's yeah, that's interesting maybe maybe then you can start having the Initial discussion where you can resell your digital property, right? Exactly. There's Maybe there should be something where if you buy a video before anyone you can resell it for more Right, I want The move we saw a movie ticket to a movie I already watched but I would sell it at a discount That's that's essentially what you do when you sell the DV isn't it so yeah Yeah, but then that also shows the problem with reselling digital thing right because you You already used that I mean you got the service right You you bought for service of someone showing you the movie and now you're Reselling it for yeah, it becomes the issue becomes the The usage does it degrade after you use it or not and even blue rays and DVDs somewhat do degrade So if you buy the second-hand one, it's not gonna be as pristine as the first one Whereas services or digital items obviously don't degrade. So maybe Degradation into digital products or services to Project by Google not by Google by by a company some sort of affiliated by Google that they are doing that with blockchains and E-book and I think the idea is that they the the building e-book and they had a limited amount of Book that you can you can you could have and then every time you got a book you had the right to sell it But in order to sell it you had to delete the word and add an add another word So every time you saw the book. It's sort of degraded a little bit and change it a little bit I'm sure none of those words would become penis after you know That's the only word in the book by the time I got it that's sort of like crowd source Shakespeare like maybe if enough people Right You play your John Grisham mystery ended up becoming Romeo and Juliet by the end of the transaction How much can you ruin the book by changing one word like surely some of them you can change the First of times it was the worst of times I mean, I mean, you know, it would be quite simple just like substitute a word So I look green is made of ham You're changing a word on your book, right? You're not changing a book on everyone's book It's right. Your copy has that so every copy of the book is sort of starts to differ from each other So a few copies would like become bad and the others would become better and then like sell those Interesting But maybe if your book becomes better you can like Resell it for for more. Yeah, right? You've got the ball. It's your book And you become you know, you become famous or something you can Sell it. I am your sponsor Can you just crib a book and just add like say you take a popular novel you add like five of your own chapters to it and you can you resell it as or would you be like Yeah, a new piece of work, I'm sure there would be a very interesting Court case to be had there. Well, yeah, because you're combining right a first sale with fair use To make your to mount your defense Well, the whole thing with pride and prejudice the zombie version Yeah Yeah, oh, that's that's that's fair use that's a remix also I'm pretty sure pride and prejudice is open Is this public domain at this point? Yeah Now it's 70 years or something, right? Yeah, we're our culture is stuck in the 20s as far as public domain goes. Thanks Disney Is that are they still expanding it because we have to start getting somewhere where things enter the public domain soon, right? Yeah, it's like life of the author plus 90 or 70 years I mean the thing is you don't need copyright on those old steamboat willy cartoons to protect the trademark Yeah, that's what's so weird. Yeah, what they're worried about is basically people bootlegging the Mickey Mouse image for other things But that's a trademark issue. That's not a copyright issue That's an interesting question. I don't know where trademark and copyright Where they start origin, right? Because yeah, so when you denote author Does it have to be the person or could it be the corporate entity? For example, if I authored a book, but I did it for like scholastic or like a textbook company Would that well that depends on your agreement with the textbook company But then how does it how does it work with the death plus 70 years? I think is the question Because if it's a company, oh, I see what you're saying It's the originator of the work. So if you did it for the textbook company Uh, I would imagine it's the textbook company But it could be they they could define you in the agreement as the author So that they get 90 years after you die Everlasting Roger that that's how Mickey Mouse started actually Disney first made a made a cartoon called Oswald the rabbit, which is just exactly like Mickey Mouse just with Pointy ears and a rabbit but then went back back when he he gave up to write the publisher Which at some point started public printing his own story Taking the stories where he didn't want to go. So he just quit created Disney company and and made his own little mouse red And that the game he came out And Oswald is the property of NBC universal and owned by Comcast at this point Isn't it owned back Somehow by Disney I think Disney re-obtained the rights to Oswald because they've added him now to a bunch of stuff I think they they struck a deal I don't know if they bought the rights or if they just licensed them All right, well On that note, I shall go buy the rights to go to sleep Patrick's technophile senses will no longer tingle as he heads off to sleep. Oh, I thought something was happening Well, no, just because you'll be asleep. Uh, thanks everybody for watching. We'll talk to you later. Goodbye