 Yeah, it's your first because I know you probably got to go to bed to be up the cloud, right? Yeah, it's gonna be a long day tomorrow, I think. Yeah. Yeah. But... When I came down the road, it wasn't too bad, it was snowing at my house, as you probably know, and then we're going down here. Yeah. So we'll probably be the higher elevation part. That's what it sounds like. Yeah. Yeah. It's very wet, sticky stone. Yeah. Oh, yeah. And then the wind's gonna blow. Yep. Early start on winter. Yeah, it really is. Yeah. Yeah. It's not letting up. No. Everything's holding up so far. Okay, good. And the spare truck is still alive and well. Still sparing. Still sparing along. Yeah, it is. We had a little trouble with it last week. Yeah. But we got over that and had to wait for the park to come. It was a coolant line that broke off from the motor. Yeah. So I had to wait for the park to come once it came and we got it back together. Small and strong now. Okay. Yep. Yep. So what have you got tonight? Well, I've got some information on mowers. I talked to HB Bearfield, which they rent them throughout the summer. And they have some that they're upgrading their fleet. So they've got several that are for sale. See that these would be used on sale. Used on sale. Yeah. Let me there. 2015, 2016 is one 2018. But they're all slightly more money than what we were thinking. Like how much? Well, there's a 15 that is 88,000. That's 2015. What do you mean? Yes. 2015. And there's a 2018, which is 109,000. But that's tractor and mower. That's all ready to go. Whereas, you know, John... The 2015 was just the tractor. No, no. All of these are all set up with the mowers. Why are they getting rid of the 2018? That's a good question. I don't know that. Maybe they just do it like every year? Yeah, I think as long as they find a buyer for a secondhand one, then they'll upgrade theirs and buy a new one. But he did tell me that it's time sensitive because they need like six months to order a new one. So they would want us to commit to this before they could order a new one. Oh, I know. I know. That's definitely a problem. You know. I don't do anything until March. But anyway, that's sort of what I've got. And I did get a price for a new mower. So if we bought the tractor that John was referring to and put a mower on it, the mower itself is like 50 grand for a brand new mower. It doesn't be a new mower. And then he also told me that you've got to be careful of which tractor you buy because it has to be able to mount a pump on the front of it. Like a hydraulic pump. Oh, okay. Maybe go up and down. Well, there's all kinds of pistons on this mower. So it requires a lot more pump power. So and not all tractors are equipped to accept the pump. So that was just one caution that he gave me. I mean, I think if we were going to do this, it would be better to just buy one all set up Right, yeah, all ready to go. Yeah, because I typed up the draft warning and article, it doesn't have a number yet, but I put in an article for the some type of to purchase a tractor with attachments. Is that the right way to work it? Sure. Yeah. To aid in and allow for more opportunities to cut and prevent the spread of invasive species. And that's just, this is just a draft. So anything can change. So it's on there. So I think we need to find a reasonable number, not greater than maybe, or not to exceed the amount of. Yeah, I mean, there's a lot of things to look at too. You know, it's, I mean, we can look at this number to buy the machine, but then we've got, you know, man time, we've got maintenance, we've got extra insurance that we're going to have to pay for. Right. Regular upkeep on a machine like this. So it's, you know, it's kind of just keeps building up, you know. Right. But. Yeah, but if we put down just the amount, not to exceed just to purchase it, you know, we're going to have maintenance and some additional man hours to operate it and things like that. Right, right. Now can we use it for anything else besides the molding? Um. When we have any other uses for it, if people ask. John was talking about using it for trimming too. Yeah. That's right. The limbs. The limbs, the higher up limbs. Right. If you get the right type of mower, then you can go after some of those, some of that brush that's up there. Yeah, okay. Like a rotary mower would be much more aggressive than the other style. There's a rotary mower and there's a flail mower. So the flail mower, you wouldn't want to put into a brush. That's more for just. So these used ones, which mower do they have? The flail mower. They've got some of each. Okay. The 2018 was a rotary mower. The 2016 is a flail mower. So they're mixed up. But there's six trackers here to choose from. And this is only one company. There are other companies that I can investigate if we want to continue to move forward. I think what we're looking for probably is some kind of an amount going on in the morning. Yeah. So. Well. And would we have to pay out? Is there, do they have payment options where you pay out over so many years? Do you know? Yes. Well, they actually, this company actually leases them also. So you could lease a brand new one. Lease to buy? Lease to buy. And after the seven years of leasing it, you own it. So it's the same idea as financing one. Seven year lease to purchase. Okay. That might be an option. Yeah. And how much would that be? They are, a brand new one is 115 to 120,000. East, depending on what option you go with and then the tractor and how it's all set up. East Montpelier just bought one and they were 120,000, I think, for theirs. But then the annual for a lease to 120 divided by seven? Yeah. Well, roughly. Roughly, I would assume. And I'm not sure if, because it's a lease, if there's a break in the cost, you might not look at it the same as if you were financing it. Right. You know what I mean? If you're financing it, you would take the 120 and divide it by seven. But because it's a lease, they still own that tractor. Right. You know? We're just missing it. Unless we buy it out. Unless we, right. So it's not really a lease to own. It's a lease with an option to buy. Yes. Yes. Yeah. Lease purchase option. That's helpful. So that's something to look at. Something to, you know, I myself, I would rather do something new just because of the wear and tear that this machine goes through. But it might be a big bite for us to do right now. I don't know. Yeah. We might be able to do the lease to purchase option and spread it out over seven years. Right. And when that's a lease to purchase, we know we're going to pay some interest, probably not a lot, but some. Yeah. So I can look further into that and get some more details about that. Okay. But the 60,000 that we threw out. That's way low. That's low. Way low. Yeah. I mean, there's probably other options, but when you start getting, getting to, you know, that kind of money, that lower amount of money, you're going to be tinkering on it all the time. It's going to be worn out. It's going to be a big problem. Well, yeah, it's always nice to have a new, a new thing than a used one. Yeah. Yeah. Just because you don't know how many other people used it and how they used it. Right. You know. And that's the thing with these leases that they've been leased out. So there's been all kinds of operators in it. And, you know, that's sometimes you've always treated as nice as if it was theirs. Right. Right. Okay. Nice work. Of course. So then I've got the bill for the for the repair, the motor repair on the 11. On the 11. So I, I'm hoping to, I'm going to ask you guys to authorize Sandra to pay them before the order. I've got it on an order, but the orders don't go through. Until next week. So I'm wondering if you can authorize her to pay that before so she can send a check to them. Out of sequence. Tomorrow. Out of sequence. So it's pretty well spelled out there. There is some other parts that I bought. But if you look up at the top where I've got it circled, it says motor. That's the, that's the cost of the motor. That one there. 26. 26. And some change. That's the totals. That's the total for the motor. So what are we, what's the total we're looking at? Yeah. We're right at the bottom. 29. 98803. That's what the check's going to be written to. Have you given her a heads up at all on this? Talk to her today. Okay. Yeah. And she asked me to ask you to let her authorize it out of sequence. Yeah. Yeah. Okay. Just because of the timing and and whatnot. Then the rush for this is because they're not going to let that truck be sold until they get their money for this. Alfred, do you have something that actually shows where the invoice came from? Yeah, doesn't have a letter. See how you could have made this up all by yourself. Well, that's the original right there. So it doesn't have any like from Like a letterhead algorithm. So You see what I mean? Like was there something on the top that had a name and address on it? I send that with the check. No, but what's Sharon is getting at is the invoice doesn't have the name of the company and address and all that on it. Do you have one that has that? Yes, of course I do, but Alfred, I'm sorry about my joke. I was just joking. You know that, right? When I said you could have moved it up. I'm only joking. But that that's like So that's what I'm going to say. That's for other work, but that's what it would look like. Because I think we're going to need an invoice that has their their J and B M woman Are you saying that you sent that along to Sandra already? Like the top part of the stub? No, but I will tomorrow. It's part of my work orders. This is the actual invoice for the truck repair. That's the whole invoice. That's probably the last page explains everything they've done for the truck. Why it went in. What the complaint was why and what they did to it. So I think we want to authorize payment of that and not I don't know where you've got that other paper from. Can I have that one up? So this one has the repair order total 26883 And that says 2998 We've got some other things too. There are other parts for other vehicles that I bought from them. Which is still this is a statement. This is a statement that comes in from them every month. So what happened to the top piece of that? I've ripped it off and it goes when we write a check. It's their remit slip. It has the piece that we're missing. That's the piece that Sharon's talking about. Right, but it's the same as that right there except for this is a statement. That is an invoice. Right. So you want to authorize the invoice. So I think the minutes could say that the select board authorizes payment to J and B truck center for a total of 29988 dollars and three cents to pay for the truck motor for the 2012 international international and other other parts as noted. So the total for the motor let's let's make sure we put the total for the motor is 26883 78 but the total bill is 2998803 Does that make sense? Yes. And then Katie can give Katie will have the minutes by tomorrow morning. So. Yeah. You want to read that back so it makes sense to us. The select board authorized payment to J and B trucking center for the amount of 299888 dollars and three cents to pay for the truck motor for the 2012 international and other parts as noted. The total for the motor is 26883 dollars and 78 cents but the total bill is 299888 dollars and three cents. And you can put where you said but the total bill is and you can write which includes other parts needed for other equipment or truck maintenance. Right. Yeah. This is just a monthly statement. Yeah. I tried to separate it out. I was going to do it on two different orders to have the motor on its own but I'd already had this all made out and so I just tried to do it on two different orders to have the motor on its own. Yeah. Yeah. All right. Does that work for folks? Yeah. All right. So is there a second? Second. Any further discussion? All those in favor please say aye. Aye. Aye. And then this is ours to keep. The top one. Yes. That you can have. Okay. So we can just maybe put that with the orders. Sandra will have a copy also. We wanted to steal a slide. Sure. We wanted to make sure that all of our details about this truck is gone. It's at J&B. It went to a broker or something. It's still at J&B. It's at J&B's. They told me they weren't going to let it go. Yeah. Until we paid this bill. Right. Ivar, it's all lined up with the broker. He's got the copy of the title. Yeah. And we had to make him an invoice from this office. So he's got all that as soon as I can get up there and swing the plow, bring the wing, strip the parts that I need off the truck like the radio and some of the tools. Yeah. Then he'll come and buy the truck, and it will be out of our hair forever. Good. Thank you. Thank you. So this will come out of our truck repair or equipment repair line item. Okay. Yeah. We should probably move the date on this. All right. Anything else? Yep. One more thing. I've run across a very nice young gentleman that wants to work part-time for us. I worked in a little bit in my own business. Let him drive my trucks on. I was very happy with him. He seemed to be very knowledgeable. So he's looking for part-time work, filling in, plowing in. Would he be the person that could be the rotation weekend person so you guys can get a weekend off? Yeah. I mean, that's sort of how I started. The last couple of years we haven't had somebody really that you could use. Right. We actually had that conversation in March. We spent hours to worry about it now. Right. And the solution came before we were worried about it again. So who, what's his name and where does he live? He lives in Cabot. His name is Nathan Smith. He was recommended to me by Paul Stecker. He was worked on a farm for several years. He's a welder, certified welder. So that's a huge asset for us. Last Wednesday, the day before Thanksgiving, I had a couple of things broke and I kept him busy all day just welding. So he's a pretty good mechanic. He's willing to learn. I've got him drug tested already. So he's coming in tomorrow to have an experience with the snow. I'm going to have him drive and Paul will drive with him. Basically, he has questions all the time. And I'll just, I'm going to keep the other two, but... I was going to say what happens to Ed and... Well, Ed is kind of getting ready to retire, full-time. Full-time retire. Yeah, yeah. And Dana has got his other job in life. Yeah, he's got his other job and it's a little bit difficult to work him in because two days for him is just completely gone. So, you know, those two days, and I have to keep track of it because it staggers throughout the week. It's like some days it's Monday, Tuesday. Some days it's... So this guy doesn't have another job? He does odd jobs. He's a welder, so he works on people's equipment. And... I want to stick in, I wonder if he's somebody we might use if we get this mower next summer to do the mowing and the invasives. He would be good for that, I'm certain, because he's, like I said, he worked on a farm. He worked on the carpenter farm in Cabin. Yeah. So... Tom probably knows him. Yes, I doubt it for him. Oh, yeah. We have... I mean, we're already using... Thanks, Tom. We're already using Dana and Ag and we're okay with the Rage's budget line. Right. I mean, it's really just another body. It's not like I'm putting three part-time guys on. Right. It's more... I have more chances of getting one, getting one of them to come in. And what are we looking at for hours because we don't want to get in... If he's part-time, he doesn't have... We've got to keep them under 30 hours. Right? I've got to look at the personnel policy. I think that's 30 or 32, so we're in there. Or maybe less than that. Something kicks in at 24. Yeah, I was thinking about 24. So maybe the Vemurs... The Vemurs might kick in at... If you can look that up and I'll just, I'll follow that in a minute. Yeah. Yeah, if you've got somebody that's ready, willing, and able. Yeah. He's eager to work. He's easy to get along with. You know, I think that people will like him. Good for you, Alfred. Good for you. Yeah. A lot of good ones. Yeah. Well, that's actually Paul. I can't take on that. Paul is the one that... I mean, we have some really good people now. We have Paul. We have Jake. Right. I mean, I think we have a really good crew. I like that folks in your crew are willing to recommend folks. It's not just recommending him to us. It's recommending us to him. And I think that that speaks volumes for your leadership. Yeah. Right. Because people really would like working here. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah, even though it's a hard job. It is a hard job. And it's a lot of hours and it's a lot of, you know, scattered hours. But this will help you guys to get a real weekend break, which is really important from my perspective that you get a break. Right. Right. Sounds good. Yeah. So he, like I said, he's coming in tomorrow to drive the truck with Paul riding with him. Uh-huh. He's already ridden with Paul a couple times. A couple times. He just did it on his own time. He spent a whole day here with us. He said he didn't need to get paid. He didn't want to get paid. He just wanted the experience. Good for him. So he's... Wow. That's impressive. Young guy, he's... I'm going to give him 32, 33. So lots of energy. Lots of... Yeah. Great. He likes to talk a lot too, but that's not a bad thing. Well, yeah. Somebody's got to do the talk today. That's right. That's right. Well, great. So, yeah. I think he's going to be a good team player. I really do. Well, that's really important that he comes. That he fits in. Yeah. Great. Well, good work. Yeah. Thank you. Great. Nice job, Paul. So other than that... What's his name again? Nathan Smith. Nathan Smith. Nathan Smith. Right. Yeah. I invited him to come tonight so you guys could meet him, but I... When I talked to him earlier, he didn't get that part of the message. Well, that's okay. You guys are going to probably be out planning early in the morning. Yeah. Yeah. But I'll bring him in at a later date so you guys can meet him. Okay. I think you'll like him. Hold on. It's called about 30 hours. 30 hours? 30 hours. Okay. So third is the limit. I thought that's what it was. That we should... But I wanted to double check on them. Another limit for beavers. There is a 24th thing. Yeah. And I think that's the beavers. So maybe keep it under 24 until we check. Okay. Yeah. Because they're... The state has got to be different than us, of course. Yeah. All right. Thank you. Yeah. Very good. Be safe. So no complaints. No, I mean, I didn't do much this weekend because it was cold. No, I'm sorry. You guys came by my house one time and dumped some dirt. Yeah. On the road. Yeah. Yeah. And then of course it rained and washed it all off. Right. We fixed our pothole on Tucker Road. I think I've seen you since. Yes. But thank you for that. You're welcome. Yeah, that was a big one. Yeah, it was. Yeah. Yeah. Lose a whole car? You could have. Yeah. I tripped on it a few times. A walking dog in the park. Yeah. Yeah. They just brought the... I'm not the only one who walks the dog in the dark. Yeah. It was a little bit icy. Seven. You know, on Sunday I worked this weekend. So we had the rain. And I just took my time and put it in low gear. Yeah. Adamant Road down into Adamant Village. Yeah. Sunday morning. It was Sunday morning. It was Sunday morning. We went out and put sand but it was a little bit later than normal. Yeah. Because it's Sunday and it was, you know... And everybody's sleeping except me. Right. And the deer hunters. Right. Well, I was up. I was up with you. Thanks, Alfred. Yeah. Thank you very much. Yeah. Thank you very much. Okay. Have a good evening. Thank you. I'm John McCallum. So it's been a while since we had you in so I thought we'd do an official update. To the board. It's Cliff and I have been... I was going to say it's pretty much for... Doing some updates. Doing some sharing. Yeah. Well, we're all ears. Well... The sub-tick was a big issue. The sub-tick was a big issue. We explored sites, other sites besides the town hall some of them. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. So we looked at the other sites, the town hall site, looking for a place that might have more capacity or just serve our... serve our purposes better. We couldn't find anything. Across the road didn't work. Across the other side of the brook didn't work. So when Don Marsh took a... a second look at the town office site, our town hall site, he said, okay, I can make it work. The same system. Basically a presby-mountain system as designed is similarly to one for a two-bedroom house. We'll have a septic tank that will pump into that disposal field in doses. We're allowed to do that because of our municipality. So it's the smallest system as we can get. And it will probably cost less than putting that same system at the other sites because we don't have to bore under the brook or bore underneath. We don't have to buy these, no? Yeah. And the road crew, they're doing our site work. They'll be installing it. So as things go, this is going to be the most affordable mound system I think we can look at. We'll possibly look at. And what capacity is this? Okay. I should get it in writing so we all know. But he's aware that weekends could host large events, events at 130 or possibly more. At 130, I think I've explained before, we're compelled to a port of bodies. But if we have a music or a theatrical event with 130 people, we don't have the port of bodies. But then we have to split? No. No, it works. And I think we can do two of these a week. I think that's what it's good for. There's two bedroom press week. Well, he'll give us the details, right? He will give us the details. So we'll know exactly how many events per week we can have with an occupancy of 130. And this is with an understanding that there's no, no like intermission people come down and just drink beers and like food and stuff. It's just, you know, maybe a glass of wine if it's fancy. But no, there's no, we're not using a lot of water on the site. Right. We're not having a dishwasher. Right. We don't have a dishwasher. We don't have showers, of course. Right. So things look good. I do understand that people want to look at how to schedule events, so knowing how many large events we can host in what period of time. I'll get that from Don. We'll get it in writing. And basically design, build our schedule around that. So that's good news. That is good news. It was a little unnerving it for a few weeks. I'm not sure why we had to explore the alternate sites. I guess Don was just looking for some place that was better than what he found at the town hall sites. When nothing else came, showed up. He said, okay, we'll just make it work at the town hall. Right. And then we had the asbestos thing, which is all resolved. Asbestos is done. Thank you for taking care of that. Everybody's accepted my apologies for being late and dealing with this. It's not like we haven't had how much stuff going on at the town hall. Was this an oversight? I was trying to avoid the $600 it was going to cost to prove a negative or disprove a negative. But anyway, we were compelled to do it. We proved the negative. After we got the reports and engineering is now certified, there's no asbestos in the building. Officially certified. We already knew that. We knew it. And deconstruction works never had an issue with it. Nobody had an issue with it. I know. No asbestos. Okay. So that's done. The well. We have a Indian River well in spring. Hooked up the water supply line from the well to the, what would be the mechanical room. And they were concerned that the pipe that we had installed wasn't adequate to handle the PSI that they're comfortable with the pressure, but they were able to slip a higher PSI pipe in the conduit we ran. So now we've got a high PSI pipe in a protective plastic conduit. So we have a water supply pipeline, which will last forever. Well, and then we talked at one of the town hall committee meetings that, you know, the weather hasn't cooperated and was and are the, are we going to get slowed down on the renovation? We have. We're probably four to six weeks behind schedule because of the weather. October was terrible. November is even worse. I don't think it's going to get any better. And actually there's, the Monday looks good Monday. I'm counting on Perry showing up and doing some work. You think it's going to be warm? And Ernie and I, Ernie is Green Line Builders who's been up. There's no formal contract with them, but right now they're they're moving in working. And when we have details of the arrangement that the town has moved to Green Line, we'll let the select board know. But right now we're working with Green Line, this Ernie Parish, and I'm working with Ernie to put the piers in under the front porch. Right. We're doing that concrete warm work ourselves and because we have to back build the front. We have to protect the foundation that we put in. Do we use some of those hay bales? Right now it's protected. We've got hay bales and tarps to protect it from extreme cold. We've got a temporary thing. Right. When we get these piers put in, then we can back build. And we don't have to worry about it anymore. Right. So that'll be happening tomorrow. And Jamie closed up the, covered up the windows. Or you did. Jamie's working on the windows. But the holes are covered right now. What they weren't until. It's incredibly gloomy inside. So Ernie's going to be springing up temporary lights. Christmas lights? No. But at least you'll be able to walk around without falling in. And, and if, if Perry concrete can't get there and pour the interior piers, there are six piers inside for the vertical posts that hold the second floor up. If Perry can't get to it, Ernie and I are going to do that as well. So we can, we have to. We'll call, we'll do, we'll, the forms are already in. Yeah. Andy and I put the forms in. So if Ernie and I put the steel in, we can call up with a truck and pour that concrete. Then we can rake the gravel and compact it and start trapping it for the slab. Right. Pour what? Get ready for the concrete. I'll come down and help you pour it. Well, I don't, I mean, we're not even, we're not doing the slab. There's no way that we, we're, the piers slab, but the piers are just three foot by three foot. There's a six foot. That's nothing. No. It's a nine year, it's a concrete. So it's more than we want to mix in a wheelbarrow. Right. But it still should be easy to fix. Yeah. We'll call a truck and we'll borrow it into the farther ones. I mean, the amount of volunteer time that has gone into this project, I mean, unless we have a better idea, because we're at every single building community, it's just phenomenal, the amount of time that people have volunteered to this project just to get it to where it's at right now. I'm ready to find in the role of architecture. You are? Yes. General contractor? Yeah. Right. I mean, John has shoveled, I don't know how much stuff by hand. I mean, it's just amazing. Okay. So I mentioned Ernie, they've already, they moved in and they started patching. When Geddy's was there to lift the building, they had to punch a bunch of holes in the wall to stick their steel beams through. And Ernie's guys are trimming the clavards back and they're going to replace the sheeting and start patching in those clavards and they're also patching in around the base of the building. So, in a week, the lower floor should be pretty much closed in. No raggons or critters can and we got lights in there, keep the snow and wind from blowing through and get the pierce in. Sorry, it's loud. So we can insulate the floor and then just wait for Perry to show up and do the flat work. Yeah. And now Ernie was kind of meeting this hedge against the wall trying to get Perry's tip. We got a bunch of people in touch with Perry. Perry knows that this is really important. I've learned that Perry makes a living doing concrete in the summer and plowing in the winter. Oh. And so we have three or four inches of snow. He's plowing. We're not going to see him. Yeah. Well, we won't see him tomorrow then, will we? No, we won't. He had promised he would be there. We're not going to see him tomorrow. Because it's snowing. We're not going to see him tomorrow. Well, that's what we got. We get what we're trying to use as much I know. really local well-priced contractor. That's, you know. Like I said, Ernie and I are going to be doing the work and what's for what it's worth. We'll keep track of our hours. We'll keep track of the material costs when we put this concrete in and we're going to remove that from the total price that Perry said he was going to do this for. Absolutely. We're doing all the stuff to make it easier for him, but at some point we've got to be reimbursed for it. Right. No, we can't be paying if you guys are doing it. No, you don't want to pay us and then pay Perry or something. Right. So, that's how that's going. Um, quick finish. I'll look at my notes. The septic system will be located in the far west corner of the building which is really good of the site which means that we can probably fit between 15 and 20 cars in the summer around the back of the building. Now, is it in the front or north west? Is that past the Edible Garden people? Yeah, it's past the Edible Garden. It's sort of right where Elmsley Road comes down right across from Ernie's house. It's going to be right in Tuckton. We have to stay 50 feet away from the brook, but it's going to be right there. It's going to be somewhere between 15 and 20 parking places in the summer in the field behind the building. Nice. It's important. It is important. It relates to how we have larger events. Right. What else? I said the well hooked up. That's good. The conduit with the power into the building and the phone into the building, that's been buried so we could probably actually get a phone and the internet hooked up in there in the next couple of weeks. Contact consolidated? Yeah. But at that point all he was going to do was hook up the router sort of on the telephone pole that's out there right now. But now that we've got the conduit buried, we can actually sneak a line into the main building. Dan Cowan's going to do that. Well, I'm sure that this will come up Wednesday to get somebody to maybe take up a phone and consolidate or something. Yep. And then he's buttoned up these holes that Geddy's punched in the sidewall and the stuff down at the bottom. As soon as that's patched up, Dan Cowan can come in and start doing the rough wiring for the ground floor. Good. And he'd like to. Right. So there's progress that no one's going to see. I'm going to call for a dumpster. It's time for a dumpster because there are these guys are going to start stripping away the clavards and things where the addition is going to plug into the back. Right. So that's the question that we had. Um, and as long as I got it, I think I had a circle back around one more time, but we're really just renovating. Yes. So, and everybody has all the contractors have their own insurances. Yes. So I think we're good from what I can gather with my conversation with VLCT. Perfect. That's it. That's the update. I wish I could say we were six weeks farther along, but we're not. No. We're going to run. We did. Things were going so well. So we, we just say when the shoe is going to drop and it did. The weather. Well, Ratcher Hills forecast said we're going to get front loaded, which we are right now. Right. The middle of the winter is going to be very mild and no snow. Then we're going to get it at the end too. Okay. Well, I am counting on it. That's what he said. After all this, we should expect a reasonable couple of weeks where, you know, as long as the nighttime and the daytime's up above freezing, we can do the concrete work we want to do. Yeah. And it is all inside. There will be outside. So even if it's rainy, more rainy, as long as it's warm, we can do it. All right. Thank you for coming down. Yeah. Thanks so much for that update. Yeah. It's really exciting. I wish, I wish people were more was done. Wow. I think we've gotten a lot done for our group of volunteers. We have. Considering the fact that the town's acted as its own general contractor up to this point, we've actually come. We've gotten a lot done. If you do get in the bond down there, you need an extra hand if she gives me a call. If you do get in the bond down there, you need an extra hand today or something like that. Okay. That'd be great, Jason. Thank you. That's it, folks. Okay. Thank you so much. Take care. You too. Take care. I don't really, the only thing I can tell you about is that the state board of education voted to merge the five towns into one district. And you know, the rest of what happens after that with the taking on the debt, the school situation, money that we had set aside for not purchases, but for maintenance. So, and then the, we have the appeal that was filed with the superior court. So, I haven't heard anything about that yet. No. Not good news. Not good news. JC and Bill. Would you like to join us, sir? Sure. So you know on the agenda, this is just a preliminary discussion because we haven't gotten to I understand. who's going to use it and when. I mean, we have people that want to do weddings and we aren't doing anything. I just thought it was useful for the select board. I mean, I'm not. Do you know everybody? You wanna introduce ourselves? Rose. Yeah, right here. Tom. And JC Meyer. Yeah. It only confuses me when he sends an e-mail and one part says John and then the other says JC. Well, it's the, that my e-mail address is mayorsjohn 283, but my family's called my JC. Yeah, I know. Yes you say, Hey, John, if I were you, turn around. John might have been like, who's that? Yeah, who's that? Yeah, well, of course, yeah. Yeah, nice to see you again. Yeah. So I understand that the select board has got a lot to be done, a lot to be discussed about the whole thing. But the idea of it being a performance basis, of course, really great for Tom and for me. I've written a play and I want to produce the play. That was part of my email, was just trying to nail down a date that that might be possible. And so that's sort of like, obviously, dependent, having heard all these discussions before it, it's dependent on where the building is and what the other needs for the building are. But we are trying to sort of, one of the things we're hoping to do is nail down some weekends to this performance. My desire would be to do it to open it here in Calis, if it's possible. So at this point, that email, I was indicating third and fourth week, I think, of October in 2009, so next October. So that was one thing, just sort of trying to figure out whether that's going to be possible in terms of the construction schedule and whether it makes sense for us to do it. The other part of it was just to hear Tom tell us about how it works with Plainfield Little Theater. So that's how another town arranges it. And it's sort of just an information thing. And I realized that there's a lot of interested parties here. And I'm hoping, what I'm advocating for is a real open process where various people who are interested in performances or creating performances or being part of that, people like Morgan Irons, the little barn players, obviously, just to have a broad discussion about, how do we operate this? How do we operate this as a response? Right. And the renovation committee and the select board, to some degree, realize that we're going to have to have a friends of group to help manage the town hall when it's done. But I just want to be really clear. The select board, I think, is all in agreement. First and foremost, it's a town, office, town, community space first. I think everybody involved understands that the priority for that space is town use. Oh, there's anybody that doesn't understand that. And we have done, and I printed you guys everybody a copy here. We had, have you heard of Argan Arrow, Lisa and Ryan? They did a study, I'm passing these around a little. And she gave us the town some recommendations about just what you're talking about. But it would be nice to know, to some degree, how the playing field people, when obviously they're going through what we're going to be going through at some point here. Yeah. Well, it's a rather similar situation. Their town hall was in disrepair and wasn't usable. It was used for town meetings for time and memorial. And so they had to find a new place to do town meetings. And then the town had to make a decision about what to do. And it was a big deal. And the town did decide, in the end, to keep the town hall and to preserve it and to put the money into it to fix it up. And so now they had this beautiful town hall. And yes, just the same way that you're talking about it, the priority, it's owned by the town. And the town has its town meetings there. And if it needs to use it for any town events, it gets priority over everybody else, absolutely. But they also have their own town clerk's office and they have other spaces like you do. So it's a very similar situation. The only difference that I see is just that the Plainfield Town Hall is usable year-round. And I'm not sure if that's the long-range plan here or not. But from what I understand that. It might be like phase three down the road. But we're considering this to be phase two. Phase three, if there's money, it might include fixing up the upstairs to be year-round. But right now we're thinking three seasons. Right, so just three seasons. So anyway, so then they had this great public space. And the town didn't really want the hassle of managing it. And so a bunch of citizens got together and just formed a nonprofit corporation called The Friends of the Town Hall Opera House, kind of a mouthful. But it has worked very well. It's a 501c3 corporation. So we get charitable contributions, tax deductible. The town does? Or the friends do? So it's a 501c3, so it's a nonprofit entity. It's a nonprofit. Which can have a checkbook. And they manage the calendar, basically. And so what we do is we essentially act as the custodian of the town hall. And we do all the maintenance on it. We do all the scheduling. We collect the rent. Of course, the rent goes to the town, not to us. It's all volunteer work. There's enough people in town willing to volunteer. I thought I heard that some people there got paid for doing this. Nobody in The Friends, nobody who is part of The Friends, gets paid. There is, I'm not privy to all the ins and outs of it, because I'm just on The Friends. But I think there is somebody who's paid to do some of the maintenance of it. But basically, we get charitable contributions to pay for the expenses of running the place. And we also get grants and other things. And then there's also a concert series that The Friends sponsors. And we collect the income from that after paying our expenses. So we make a little profit on that. Do you have access to The Friends bylaws? Yep, I do. I prepared them. And I did all the legal work to set the thing up, pro bono, which I'd be happy to do here, too. All the 501C3 stuff. Are they on the bylaws and the use policy? I'm sure you must have a use policy on the website. We do have a website. I'm not sure if all of that's on there. But I can get it. Yeah, try to hope to have copies of that stuff. Absolutely. If you send it electronically, then we all get it. Absolutely, right. Yes, I'd be happy to. Thanks. Anything you want. It's all, there's no secrets. Thank you. Well, yeah, and if you've already done it, there's, you know. Yeah, we're not reinventing the wheel, right? But it works really well. And we do fundraising. You could actually support the building. I think there's a potential for it. Yeah, yeah. I mean, this is a very, there's a lot of creative people in this town. Oh, there is? Oh, yeah. And if there's a little income coming in from ticket receipts, you know, there's also a really interested audience here. There's people that want to go to performances. Yeah, it's really nice to go locally. You don't have to go in this town. To me, it's really exciting. Like, I mean, I was a sort of a young fella. So it's a new playwright, you know. But to do a performance in the town of Callis and to mount it here would mean a lot to me. It would be really great to do it here. I don't know whether that's going to work out timing-wise or not, but. Yeah, you know, like I said, I just don't know. Yeah, we're already behind now. We thought, like I said, we would do whatever we want. What was the original completion schedule? I don't remember. Because Chris Cole still thinks maybe he's going to do a musical in the spring. No, that's not happening. We already told him that's not happening. I mean, if we get in there by October, maybe. So that's what we're hoping for. We will rehearse elsewhere, but perform in the third and fourth week of October. I just don't know. I would hate to promise you anything and not really know. I mean, we might have a better idea, like in January or February, when we see how we can get the parries in, as you heard, for the more. It might be worth waiting a bit. Toring. Because what we're facing now is just how to communicate to the people that have done the reading. We did a reading in June of the play. And obviously, it's not a deep concern. It's slick for it. But we're just trying to figure out how do we notify the possible Calis members, whether or not we're going to do it and where we're going to do it and when we're going to do it. So there's a possibility, I suppose, of us doing it and playing field. I'm hoping we can do it in Calis. But I guess maybe if there was a point at which you might know more, if it was like, if we knew more by February, it might make sense for us to go ahead and wait a bit. It's really good that you were here. I don't know if that became early by John or John. But pretty much every, if not every select board meeting, every other, we get a report. And Cliff and I attend all of the town hall committee meetings. And if John's not here, we can do the update. And it was, like I said, it was really going full hammer. And then the weather. Yeah. I'm a carpenter. Yeah, I know you are. And then now we've got this situation trying to get the cement poured, which is critical to being able to move forward on the project. So I appreciate your willingness to volunteer. No, I would. I'd come down and help them out. So like I said, it's been mostly, for the most part, it's been all volunteer stuff. People have put in on just a ton of time. It's really quite heartwarming when you think about how much time everybody's put into this. So as I think about mounting a production here, I'm thinking about that when I was a kid, I worked in the Western Playhouse. And I also did a couple of summers in high school at the Wyndham Summer Repertory Theater. So I worked in theaters with battens and blinds and backstage. So obviously, this is not that kind of theater. But there are features of this building, which could enhance its utility as a performance space. But the problem is, well, it's not a problem, but the challenge is that all of that requires money. But you can actually, if you have a successful performance, you can make some money. And you can put that towards that kind of equipment. And that's where having a 501C3 and non-profit that owns it makes it a lot cleaner than a town. The town maybe could even own it, too, the equipment. But it would be, if it was a publicly-owned resource, like lights, fresnels, Likos, blinds, curtains, lighting battens, all that kind of stuff that the theater needs could be owned by the town or by the non-profit. And it could be publicly accessible. Rather than having the situation now, it's already a Nancy's and Chris's personal investment. So it's also their personal choice, whether they want to use it or not use it or lend it or not lend it. So the theatrical performance is there, unless you have your own resources that are dependent on, whether they want to lend their personal private property. So being able to own equipment, theater equipment, it's flats, sets, things that would be a wonderful asset. Which could be purchased by a non-profit could own it. Yeah, and playing field, I mean, the friends don't really own anything. It all belongs to the town. It all belongs to the town. I don't know what to... But we maintain it and, you know, we... But the town owns equipment. The town owns everything. So they probably don't own anything. The town bought it? They probably would have depreciated it, too. Well, it was... They bought the lights and then the stage of the town. But it was probably through the friends of... The friends bought it and gave it to the town, I would think. Well, I mean, most of it was there to begin with. Oh, I see. There had been some renovations. But what if a group... Most of the renovations went ahead and bought a bunch of stuff? Would it be viable for that non-profit owner? We could. We could. I mean, would it be advantageous to that? It would be better for the town, Jonah. You're asking all these questions that you're like, JC, like, we're talking about septic. I know. And... We're like several steps down the road. Ah! You got to agree. That's good. Because when the septic and the pilings and everything are done and John goes, you know, you guys will be like, okay. We'll be ready to do it. We got the next. I know you guys, you have your hands full. I know you don't want to administer performance space. So what I'm hoping is that we can have a real open, everybody included, everybody wants to be part of it. Come and have a discussion about how we're going to operate it. Let's use the experience of people that have already done it. I'd like to get everybody, like you said, that's interested. But like I said, we're still kind of trying to do budget for town meeting and town report and the hall. And you're like 100 miles ahead of us. And it's like, whoa! It's good. It's good. Well, on the long-term level, I got plenty of, you know, let's just let it evolve. On the short-term level of where this production is going to be married, I think that it's worthwhile for us to wait and see for a couple of months. And if it looks like it's viable, then October could be a bankable date. And we'll go with it. If not, we'll make alternative plans. Because we've told people that wanted to have a wedding there this summer, a couple of different couples. You know, you better look someplace else, because we can't promise that it's going to be ready. Yeah, but this, you know, this is so, this is through next summer and into next fall. So I have hope still that it's going to happen. But we appreciate your enthusiasm and willingness to volunteer and to help out. We really appreciate that. Just take a look at what they recommended, because it may be very similar to what you've done in Plainfield. So I'm glad we have experience if we don't have to reinvent the wheel. So thank you very much. So I think if, you know, just for, in terms of further discussion, I mean, if we put out something in front porch forum and contact people, there are some people I know who are really interested in theater. Morgan on here. You know, it does a constant Tom's doing productions, what, four times a year? Five times a year? Who's doing five? Four plays a year? That's a lot. And Aaron Gallaghan, of course, you know, is really interested in there. So, and of course the blue bar and players were, you know, foundational. Right. Well, I think we, I'd like to maybe, and before you put anything on our front porch forum, I know already in Nancy and Chris expressed an interest. I think it might make sense Just having me with them to have a meeting, maybe Cliff and I and you folks, I don't think the rest of the town hall renovation committee is going to be interested in this piece of it. We should have somebody who can advise us on usability projections. Yeah, maybe that would be Ernie or John. So let's, I don't know if we can do it before Christmas, but I don't think, I don't think I want to see something on front porch forum until we have time to digest this and see how we might approach other interests. I'm thinking when the select board, my thinking on this is when the select board decides that, okay, we're ready to have this discussion, that my concern is just that it'd be, that it'd be fairly widely broadcast that anybody who is interested, so there's no in perception that it's been a closed deal. Right. And everybody who wants to have an interest, everybody who wants to have an interest, my interest in this is not to try to jockey from my own position in this, it's as a person who's interested in theater and music, but rather to see it be a really open, successful process. Well, it won't be successful, it's not open. Right? Right, exactly. And our renovation committee meetings are open eight o'clock Wednesday mornings, if you have any interest in everyone coming. So those are open to the public. Then you'll know what's going on. Yeah. All right. All right. Well, thank you. I have a question for you actually. The Plainfield, you know they have the calendar on the website. Yeah, we have a website. You know, a quest. You know, I'd like to book something there and whatnot. Right. How far in advance is the space booked out? Well, yeah. So the calendar, in general, I mean, it depends. It's really... You might look and see like next weekend it's available. Exactly. Book something. Yeah. I mean, there's no hard and fast rule about it. And it is available on a first come, first serve basis, which I think is a really nice feature of it. So you don't get into, oh, you know, who do we give priority to? And once somebody puts something on it, does somebody else get changed? No. Once they put down a deposit on it, they've locked it in. I'd also be interested to see what the pricing schedule is. Well, that's another thing. I mean, as someone who does theater around here a lot, it's...this is very attractive because there really aren't that many affordable venues. And we do try to keep our rent affordable for local community theater and community groups because we all know we're not, you know... Right. It's not Carnegie Hall and we're not a lot of money, but, you know... You just have to have enough money to, like, maintain the building. Exactly. Fix things that are, you know, the break. Right. Right. If a venue is going to mean over 130 people. Yeah. We don't want those people to be the ones paying the rent on the port-a-potties. Right. You know, so it's a kind of a fee schedule. Yeah. So we have different rates for different events. Yeah. It's a very, you know, sensitive to somebody who comes in and says, you know, I'm really... Like if somebody wants to use the space next weekend and we don't have anything booked for it, I mean, we have rates, but we also want to get income. And so if it's something that, you know, we can afford to just be a little lenient on the rent. Yeah. We'll do it. But, you know... I recently gave up my position on the board at the Maple Corner Community Center. But after... I've been nine years on the board. Yeah. And the building, obviously, Maple Corner Community Center has been really lucky and fortunate, you know, with the men at the Maple Corner calendar. It has adequate resources to preserve itself indefinitely. But the board has always been fairly frugal in that and not wanting to spend down that money and wanting to... and has worked pretty hard to have the building sustain itself through programming. And it really does largely... to a large extent do that. And I think that Town Hall could have that... has that potential to be a building that can improve and sustain itself without a cost to town. And that's right. And I think that's cost-bound. Yeah. And that would be great if we could come into that point. And there would be a symbiosis there because, you know, obviously, it's really great to have a venue for, you know, people that want to do shows. There's a lot of people around here. Obviously, since the blue barn was insuranced and banked out of the picture, you know... Right. Well, we've talked about other uses, too. You know, in the summer or fall, we could have farmers markets, craft shows. Yeah. You could make... You know, certainly. I would think the building could... You know, additional uses. Absolutely. Yeah. But obviously, the scheduling of that is going to be something that the select board is not going to want to do. And the Town Office staff has made it pretty clear that they don't want to be doing the scheduling. I don't blame them. So we do have to come up with something. I think it can be worked out. I think it can be great. Yeah. No, I'm confident we can work it out. It's just... We need to just put the brakes on a little bit until we get further... Yeah. So let's wait. Let's just put it on hold and see what happens in a couple of months. Mm-hmm. Yeah. And I'll mention it Wednesday morning that we had this discussion and we want to make it a really inclusive process. Yeah. And that probably Cliff and I would be willing... And let's say if we don't... Because there's still no certainty by, you know, on there and nobody... And it's like we're looking at that, you know, where the job is and where it's planned and where it's projected to be, can say, no, we really can't do this then at that point we'll just decide what we're going to do. Right. Well, I'm hoping we can get these, as you heard tonight, getting those piers forward. Right. Is critical. Yeah. So that's, you know... Right. If we can get that done then that... These Georgia bugging, if you're wheel bearing concrete underneath that building, I don't know why you didn't say... Yeah, sure. We need your help. I think if I would say it, I think he doesn't know what to do with an offer. Yeah. But I'll remind him on Wednesday. Yeah. Tell him you can call me. Yeah. All right. Thank you. Thank you very much. Appreciate everything. Thanks. Thanks for all you do, guys. I appreciate it. You're welcome. You're welcome. You're welcome. Okay. So let's talk about... There's copies of the budget, the preliminary budget there for everybody. I wanted to look at something in there when you're done with it. Yeah. Thank you. Thank you. Yeah. And I have something to bring up under new business. We're not... We can't vote on anything, but I can bring it up under new business. Let's see. Where did my copy of the budget stuff go? So I had been making handwritten notes on the budget, and I gave all my notes to Sandra, and she's tried to incorporate them. So really, this budget is really like a wish list at this point for everybody involved. And Sandra's put in some budget notes. So at some point, we're going to have to nail down a date when we can get everybody here, and I don't know where John is tonight. He may have called after I left because I came in early. And really go through the numbers and refine things. So let's start out with page one. Select board administrator. Who else wants to pay attention? Not yet. That is what you're paying me to do now. If I get run over by a wild moose or something like that, I'm going to cost more than that. So just keep that in mind that we had budgeted the 35 last year when we thought we were going to have a regular administrator, and now we're down to six. The next line is our stipends. Next line is Katie. I put in a little extra because you're going to be doing some, well, you're going to be doing some extra work for the PC, but I think that's going to come out of their budget, but that won't be until FY20. So just remember, this is FY20. Professional fees, $2,500. Just give credit card fees. Oh, credit card. Well, I think that's a pretty set amount. Professional fees. Now I always get this one confused because this is not the audit. This is not the auditor, I believe. Probably you'll see all the notices. That's what those are? Yeah. Okay, so this is Father Gill. And that was to help when we were transitioning to NEMREC from QuickBooks, and Melanie was coming in. I don't know that we're going to even, now that we have Sullivan, and Powers doing the audits, the professional audit, and Barbara Butler, if we go with Judy's recommendation and our discussion, would be to have her perform some of the duties of the auditor, which we've been balancing the month of checkbook and whatnot. And we budgeted in that line item. 25. Oh. No, sorry. 4,600. Well, it was 6,000 for this year and 4,600 for next year, which would that would be, if you look at number five, that would be Barbara had four hours a week at $22 an hour. It's on the back. So that would be Barbara, basically, instead of professional fees. So actually axing the professional down to, oh yeah, down to. Right. Right. Okay. Legal fees. I think we should leave it at 15 because we don't know what's going to come around. And it's good to have just a little bit of a buffer in there if we need it. But again, we're not, nothing is set in stone. Well, so this is a place where there is a little buffer. There is a little buffer, right? Independent audit. I don't think there's any buffer there. I think we just have to bite the bullet and know that we're going to, you know, we've got Sullivan and Powers. I think they're on a three-year contract that we did. Why is it, where's the 900? I think that was their estimate for the next year. Yeah, 17, 18, and 19, they did, right? Right. Yeah, it's a contracted price according to the notes. Yeah. And we've already signed it. Right. We have already signed it? Yeah. Yeah, we did. All right, so that is absolutely not. We did before they did the FY17 and 18 audit. So 2020 is already contracted. Yeah. The website, that's, I think that's a fixed fee, isn't it? The 900? Yes. Education and training. And there's a little less in there because we asked Sandra to put training line items like under the PC, under the Conservation Commission. So it's easier, it makes it easier to track. And we may not even use the full 800 by this. Right. Well, but hang on Denise, it says in the notes, this is for all departments except Lister's. Right. Are we asked that she put training under? Well, yeah. She has Lister education, right? They're on page one. But are there, are there others that should be field out as well as my question? Yeah, that's what we had asked her to do. I think that's just a question. The note, the note, in the notes, number two, for all departments except Lister's, suggests that only Lister's are field out. Yeah, she doesn't have it under the Conservation Commission. I thought we had asked to have that done that way. I don't see it under highway. Highway, I don't, I thought they had that. Yes, highway does have its own training. Oh, there it is, education training. Yeah. They've had a thousand. So that should be Lister's and highway. And then the question of what, I'm going to try to make a note here. That was on number two here. I don't understand what this root abatement thing is on 2C, but, oh, I see what it is now. It's different columns. Yeah. Those are notes for FY18. The way the previous treasurer used to do it was she had the notes like right next to the, which was easier to, to read actually. Well, now we know. But now I get it. So, Okay, so we need Lister, so we need C, and Conservation Commission training from now. And so in other words, what's left in that line is, is that that includes us and the, and the town office. Where is the planning commission listed at all? Well, I did see it. It's, I think it's like on the back. It's under zoning. Oh, it's under zoning. Right. Oh, oh, okay. Well, yeah. Actually it could be broken down into its own. Yeah. Planning commission, conservation commission. Would it make it easier, would you think it would make it easier if she did a planning. Commission bolded. Like we have for everything else. Because I couldn't find it either when I was looking for the worst. Yeah. Do they actually work entirely separately? Well, you know, one affects the other. No, of course they do. But budgetarily. And budgetarily it's separate. Yeah. Okay. So I'm going to, I'll ask her to break it down. Yeah, break that out. Unless there's a really good reason why. What's a planning assistant? Um, I think that was to do what Katie's going to do to help the planning commission. That we talked about last meeting. The typing. Right. Okay. Regulation. Yeah. And we don't have an amount in there. You don't have any idea Katie, how long something like that's going to. I don't understand the full scope of the project to be honest with you. Okay. I got to look at the document and I, I said Jan, you know that I haven't anything yet. So. Okay. The zoning regulation. Yeah. I don't know how much needs to be updated or. Right. Well, I hope she'll get back to you. She's usually pretty good about getting back. Okay. Copy or lease and maintenance. I think that's a set amount because this is. What we just got was this new copier. Mm hmm. My alleged dinner. My alleged dinner. My alleged and then dinner. Where is. Well, your PSP candidates. Right. I understand. One ABC. And then there's B and C. Oh, I see. Okay. B is appreciation dinner. C was the route abatement. That was at $900, but. I don't know why we would have another 900. I don't understand that one. Does anybody understand this miscellaneous line? No. I think a real abatement, but we don't know. We're going to have the same amount again. And FY 20. Here. I don't, I can't explain the 900. I think the. How do we know this, the C. This is how I meant to understand the notes. The C is an explanation though that the alpha. ABCD. Yeah, I got that. Those go with FY 18 explanation. So she's, I think she's telling us that 3689. Was the actual FY 18. Right. We budgeted 900 and FY 19, but how do we know it's going to. Be 900 and FY 20 is what I'm asking. Right. And that has nothing to do with route abatement. Right. And that comment. The C route abatement is an explanation for the 3689. And isn't telling us anything about the 900. Okay. I'm not completely crazy. Close. It doesn't mean it's irrelevant. We might say, well, where, why was it so much more? And then we say, oh, because. So we need, we need an explanation of this. Yeah. I know salami is under. And if we want standard to come in to like the next meeting, we can schedule that. So it's just a question of where did the 900 come in? Because at some point she's going to have to come in and get us updates on. Health insurance and things like that. So we might want to get to the next meeting. I'm guessing it was not the question really is, why do we budget 900 this year? Right. She may not know. Right. I don't know either. So, so this is a question. And do you budget miscellaneous? Right. How do you know? Yeah, but I mean. And what is miscellaneous? Yeah, I don't think we're supposed to budget miscellaneous. Okay. We don't know. You're ready to move on to the grant match section. I don't think we have a lot of information there yet. We actually did spend something on that. Right. But we don't think we have the final numbers yet. Okay. And I don't know that there's going to be a greater program for next year. And I think that CLG. They want to do a CLG for Adamant next year. So we got, we need more, we need more info on how to fill in these numbers. Who do we get the invasive species? Is that from the conservation people? Well, it went through the conservation commission, but it was really lakes and ponds. Colleen Bloom and Joshua Mulholland, Josh's estate Colleen was kind of the one that was doing the work. I don't know. I know that he sent out an email so that he can close out the grant. I don't know where that stands right now, but we can find out if that's been all put to bed invasive grant final. Town clerk. And those were, this is based on that request that Judy had. So, you know, we're not committed. We're not committed to these numbers. But I wanted to have her put in, Sandra put in what was requested. It's a big jump. Yeah. So that's up for, you know, further discussion. Town lifters, tax maps, doesn't seem unreasonable. I mean, looking at the same salaries last year, FY18, the actual we spent was 8,800. We budgeted for FY19 at 12. So we'll see how we come out. Some of this is just all a guessing game. So for Town Treasurer, I had Sandra do the same thing for her salary as what Judy was requesting for the COLA and at 40 hours. If you see note 4B, plus a 2.7 COLA. And these are things that we are... These are subject to change, you know. In discussion. Right. So this is kind of our first look at this budget with some of the wish list numbers in there. And I still would like to talk further about, we know Sandra now is working 40 hours a week and not 32. I have a hard time understanding how we would not pay her now at her current rate at 40 instead of saying we know you're working 40 but we want to wait and see if there's money and we can give you a bonus. To me, that's kind of... We're acknowledging she's doing the work but not paying her for it right now. I think it's right. No, I mean we kind of agree. I think we generally agree on that. I think that the question to me, and this is... Do we need... Is this okay to talk about in public? I don't think we have yet. So probably not. Okay. Yeah. Okay, auditor. This is the town auditor. This is the Barbara Butler doing that work. The town report. Technically the auditor is just supposed to do the town report. Accountants world, I think with NEMRIC now we won't need accountants world, isn't that what... That's what Sandra said. Delinquent tax collector. That's no change. Non-election expenses. I don't think anybody puts in for payment when they work the polls. I never do, but maybe other people do, but I don't think so. Delinquent tax collector, I think we've asked this question before. If the backlog is reduced, but the fact is it can jump up again. Right. And it still... It gets reduced because it's the only tax collector. Right. She works it. Right. General office. Cods NEMRIC. So it looks like a little bit of money there. Computer DRA. That computer DRA thing, that DRA thing. What's DRA? That's basically our IT support. What is DRA? Why do we have that? It's like data recovery, and I forget the A, but basically it's the services that are being provided to us by RB Tech. But it throws me every time I see this DRA thing. And it... I think we just call it IT support. We certainly could change that, I'm sure. We can ask... Then I won't... Every time I see it, I won't say, what is that? Technical support. Technical IT. And just... Yeah, later on, Cliff has put some time and effort into... So that number that you see there budgeted is based upon their monthly... The fee, which we'll be getting to later. Which includes the increase for additional data storage. And then she added an extra thousand dollars for miscellaneous charges anticipating that we would need additional IT support. We have onsite or help desk. Is that RB Tech's increase of $140 a month? Does that include that? It's included, yes. In this price? Yes. In this amount? Okay. And the maintenance she's talking about... I just threw out a number because I had no clue what to put in for Andy Felice. Did we ask him to get back to us? Yes. But Barbara was putting together kind of a list, a spreadsheet kind of thing. And we'll find out on Wednesday how that's coming. But we need to put something in there because I don't think $50 a month is going to cover it when he starts doing more stuff. Okay, but maintenance and facilities and maintenance are the same thing, I think. Okay, it says D, where is... She says the notes. Oh, D is laptop, keyboards, and software. I'm still on... Yeah, but that's the 20... No, but do you see the maintenance line right after computer and DRA? Right, but that's explaining what it was in 2018, which the 7A and 7B that explained budget FY19 proposals seems to be talking about the same thing. 7B is a $600 reduction for the Andy Felice. The stipend of sellers now reflected in facilities maintenance. Okay, facilities maintenance. I should say wages. But either way, don't they become the same thing? No, because what she's talking about this maintenance is computer. Ew, so this is computer maintenance. Right, and then the facilities maintenance is Andy, which is 7C and 7B. Well, maintenance in FY18 included the computer maintenance, but in 2019, it's referring specifically to Andy's stipend. But now for the proposed budget going forward, Andy's stipend is moved into a separate line under facilities maintenance. Right, because I asked Sandra to make them his job thing. We want to see what it really is. Okay, so her note says $600, but it's only $400 reduced, which is minor detail. But whether it's $1,400 or $1,600 in that line that is maintenance, if you take out Andy Felice, what is it? So there was one theory that it's computer maintenance, which doesn't make sense to me that we would be paying Andy out of a line that we intend for computer maintenance. Well, I think that's what it was used for before, right? That line was computer maintenance. It has an explanation. Because it says right here FY18. Yeah, I guess so. I guess it's using. But in any case, does that need to be relabeled computer maintenance and we need $1,400 or $1,600 for it? I would think that probably what it is actually is janitorial. The cleaning of the office. Yes. Right, that's right. And facilities maintenance is... Wages. But it basically wages for Andy, yes. So we can ask her if this is the office cleaning. Exactly. And so that we're clear on that. Yeah, if you write janitorial, that's even more clear. Yeah, we can ask her to change it to janitorial. Because that's what it is. Right. Well, if it's not, then we need to define what sort of maintenance. What is it? Right. And how is it different than facilities maintenance? Right. Right. Yeah, because we have generator maintenance I get. I forget who it is. Amy Raul comes in and cleans the office. Generator maintenance, that's a done deal. There's no flexibility there, is that right? Telephone and internet, is that a guess? I'm assuming she's based this on... That's just a phone bill. The phone bill and the internet bill and that stuff. Yes, but what she did is she baked in the additional expense if we decide to add two more lines to further support. Yeah, because it says right here. Includes two additional lines based on FY18. As we currently have two lines. Our new phone system is here. Which we've agreed we need. Right. So advertising. Advertising for first aid. That's for what? You did? They used it for their first aid. Did they call you? I called them. Yeah? It was working. Yeah, they can actually transfer calls to each other's phone. Great. Or to the listeners. I think that's going to make a huge difference. Yeah. Yeah. Great. Advertising, that's just in general when we advertise. Oh, an open position or we notice the public about something. Right. Yeah, something has to get published in the newspaper. The warning. The warning. Yeah, that kind of stuff. Postage. That's unchanged. Supplies. I think that she just probably jumped up a few of these numbers. Just because things are more expensive. Equipment number 10. Cheers for office staff. Yeah. And I did suggest to the office staff that they contact VLCT because VLCT has grants for ergonomic equipment. And then we're going to check into that. Plus, they're thinking that really desks in there, rather than these countertops, getting rid of the countertops and putting in desks in the intersanctum, would help with the use of the space in there. It's not a very usable space. Even though it's all countertops, it's very difficult for them to... Yeah. Yeah. So they're going to check into some desks. We did tell them to buy a new clock, which they wanted, and a shade for the door so they can close the shade. On Fridays, if Sandra's in here working, people are constantly knocking on the door. And so then she comes in here to work and can't get anything done because people are looking through the window and pounding on the door. So we just thought we had a nice little shade to pull. That says close. Close. Close. So if they get desks and those countertops will come out. So yeah, we might be able to use those over at the town hall or something. Right. Wouldn't that be... I mean, we don't need to get off the tangent. Would that be part of just the sort of general overall rethinking the space? Yeah. Yeah. And that's what they're proposing is some of these changes like this that are minimal cost-wise. Heat and electric, that always goes up, never goes down. So do you understand what the difference between computer expenses and... Yeah. Where is E? I don't see an E. There was two Ds. Two Ds. Yes. Oh, actually, which helps us on the other problem. That's a type of problem. And that helps us on the other problem we were having. We were looking for the wrong D before. That's right. That's a type of... The second D should be E. Yeah. Oh, that makes more sense now. And that explains the question earlier. Right, right. Maintenance. Right. Okay, yeah. Because this D talks about E&E Felice. Oh. Oh, oh, oh. Good detective work. Yeah. Learning your ABCs. We pay RB tech to come in and dust off the key for instance. Right. Okay. So that's that. So, I don't think we have any behavioral taxes. I don't think we don't have a lot of saying that. Like I said, we're waiting for Sandra to get figures on health and disability. Page three. Those are pretty much set as I noted last time. The CBRPC went up a little bit. Zoning. Okay. Now, here's where we get into another thing that we need to think about. John and Dot. Don't want to do zoning administrator work forever. John McCallum. John McCallum. Right. Did I say John? Did I say Dot? Dot is the essence. Dot is the essence. Dot is the essence. Right. They're willing to continue for a little bit, but they would like to not be doing it forever. So like I told you before, I contacted Woodbury. I haven't done any more work with that. Jane, I'm sorry. I'm sorry. I'm sorry. I'm sorry. I'm sorry. I haven't done any more work with that. Jan talked to the planning commission at their last meeting because technically it's the planning commission's role to find people, make a recommendation to the select board. Not that we can't interview the person or people, but that's how the process is supposed to work. So she's looking for, Jan is looking for the current job description for the zoning administrator, which I think we did up when we had a previous zoning administrator. And, you know, is this going to be enough money if we have to get somebody else other than John and Dot? If it's somebody from another town and from another town in some ways makes sense because then they're not telling their neighbor that you can't do this and you can't do that. So anyways, that's a little up in the air, but we really need to be thinking about how we want to do this going forward and how much we want to budget. So think about it. We don't have to do it tonight. Sandra to break out PC from ZA. So we're going to need to get a, and hopefully Jan will go back to Katie with an estimated amount. So I'll make a note to follow up with Jan. So we have something to go by. That's to Katie. I'm calling about the Katie project. Fire and Emulance just a reminder and I'll remind you again next week, but we're meeting with the East Montpelier Fire Department on December 6th at the fire station at 7 o'clock it's a Thursday. To get the bad news from them of how much and when are they going to warm up. I asked her to put in Woodbury's request, which was that additional $40,000. December 6th at 7? December 6th at 7, correct. And say again there. East Montpelier fire station. And that's the joint meeting with East Montpelier Select Board, Cal Select Board, and the Fire Department people. Until we get the figures from the East Montpelier Fire Department, this line is, this section is a little unusable. Yeah. Because I was thinking, oh good. Yeah, me too, but it's not right. Police, patrol and safety. That's the share of East Calis Streetlight. Wilson, Steibend, CDHS. I have no idea, but we haven't spent much the last few years, which is fine, but. Okay, Conservation Commission. This is where I asked her to break out because Katie's doing the minutes for them as well. And they're again requesting $8,000 for the conservation fund as a line item and not as a warrant item, which is what we did last year. And I can't remember. I have to look at the minutes. I can't remember if they got the, if it was voted for 8,000 last year at town meeting or not. I can't, I've got the minutes here somewhere. I can check. I think so. Did it go through? I don't remember that it didn't. I don't either. Yeah. I was going to check. Let's see. Here we go. Well, and if it was, if it was in the budget, not a line item, then it wouldn't have been separate. No, but it could have been discussed and not approved for some reason. True. You're not seeing where, when we talk about rating taxes from Highland General Fund, Conservation Commission's activity, the motion was called, I think somebody questioned what I was remembering, but it still passed. Swim fund, we just heard from them, Town Hall. Okay, this is right. Didn't we, I thought we, we need to break out the reserve fund for the, for the hall and the office and make them separate. I thought that we were doing that, but I don't, I see under here under Town Hall it says both. So in this current budget, we put 30,000 in the reserve fund. Right. I think it was 15 for, I think it ends up being 15 for each, but we need further, we need to check out this further. We also had in this year's FY19, we had a, we had a big number. Was it 200,000? That was a loan. It's a loan. Okay. That's going to show up separate. We can't show it as it didn't happen again. Right. Okay. Insurance. And one of my questions to Larry Smith that I have to follow up on is the value, if you remember, I don't know if it was here or at a staff meeting, but Sandra showed me where they had the Town Hall valued at a certain amount and right now it's certainly not worth that much. Right. And this at a certain amount and it's probably worth more. So I talked to Larry about it and I've heard much back in the months I have to follow up with BLCT because we don't want to under ensure this place or over ensure that place when it's not even doing anything. Okay. Here's the, here's your question about the loan, Sandra. I mean Sharon. I thought it was only $200,000. Anybody else remember that it was $400,000 or something? It doesn't make any sense. Thanks. That's $40,000. A year. Oh, okay. Five over five years. I was looking at it at $475,000. Wow. Yeah, we're like, we put it from that. So, yeah, last year it was interesting when it was good this year. Right. And didn't East, am I remembering right that Woodbury said they might be coming in addition to them on that $40,000, but they're also looking to build a new fire station? Yes. And that they would be asking us for money for that as well, right? Not to go around. No, but they would be eventually. Eventually. They imagine that about three years out, I believe. Okay. Social services agencies, Judy. Hang on, hang on, hang on. Can we, the total, the tax payment. And earlier we had miscellaneous and had an abatement in it. Can we have, ask Sandra to move that one down to this category? Sure. Oh, was that under select board? Sure. Yep. It was under select board. The miscellaneous was somebody's abatement. Your group abatement? Group abatement. Yeah. That still, that still makes no sense to me. It would make more sense if it were here. Right. As long as we're understanding what she's talking about. Root. Root. Root abatement. Then we'll see people. Yeah. Gary. Gary. Gary. I don't remember what else it was, what it was for. Okay. Move root abatement to. Abatement. Tax abatement. Okay. Okay. We're on page. So we don't have all of the social services requests. Yet. Didn't that one be forthcoming? Have we reached out to all of these? Yes. That's our process. Okay. I think community connections is now folded in with these ones there. What do you mean folded it? Just pull it into what? Is there a new name? You put it in earlier. I don't know how they're doing it, but I've heard. Is that the one that come to the kids go to after school at the elementary school? Right. But now I believe, could you make any stop, but I think that they are, they bust them to East Montelier Elementary School. Yeah. I don't think I am. I can be wrong. I can be wrong. They can do the same thing. Right. It's just not offered at this school. Right. It's not at Calisthenum. You want more rooster, I don't think. There we go. It's already started. Exactly. It does not make me happy. Well, conversely, it couldn't be said it's happening. You know, without a force merger, it just needed to happen. But I think it's a sheen. It is. Okay. So I think that's it for this. The cemetery budget is, did we miss the cemetery budget? I didn't see it. I mean, we don't get to set it, but it needs to be here. It's a separate line item. Is it a separate article? It's a small little budget. The only thing on the whole document that has the word cemetery is line 200, which is where you just wore at the end. Yeah, right here, right? It transfers out. That's the only item that says cemetery. So we don't have the cemetery, looks like. Almost we missed it. Can we have a cemetery budget in the January board? I don't think we missed it. All right. Overspeak. And now we have a, the highway. You see where we've broken down the operations manager salary out from the highway. I have a standard to do that because it's easier to keep track of that way. Right. Your training and education went from? Where are you? Highway. I know, but where? First paragraph, education and training. In 18, it was 200 budgeted. They only spent 105. And then this year it's a budgeted for a thousand. I'd be interested to know how much I've used in six months. Yeah. And that might be a place where we can make a cut, but it'll be small. It's small. We have other things like that where there were that, that there's an unexplained jump from FY 18 actual to FY 19 budget. Yeah. But I haven't seen one that was actually significant. Right. I mean it's significant in its percentage, but in the actual dollars. Yeah. Right. It becomes significant when you add it up over all these other increases. And that's where we're going to really have to sharpen our pencils. If you look, there's nothing huge that jumps out at me at the moment. All right, run some things. Vehicle repairs. Well, that one's missing a big line though. Which one? Again, the insurance is missing. Oh, right, right. We don't have the whole. The insurance is missing. Oh, those. The magic salt, if I remember right, was not that much. It was a few hundred. Vehicle equipment, gas, oil, diesel. Does anybody think that gas and oil and diesel are going to go skyrocket? And we're putting in an increase. But in FY 18, we actually spent $43,000. FY 19, we budgeted $19. In FY 20, we're looking at $60 again. I mean, $51 in FY 18, $60 for FY 19 and $60 for FY 20. Do we think that fuel is going to go up significantly? What's the projection? Do you have any idea? Yeah, we think it's going to go up. A lot. Because of? The tariffs. International activities, exactly. International activities. Sounds like a spy novel. Our new foreign policy expert in chief. Okay. Okay. Security. Why do we have a line on security? Same reason. Sorry. I like that. Yeah. Just thinking, security, like what do we want? Did we talk about cameras or something? Where is it? I'm not even sure. I think that's what it was. But there's zero in there. I know. And there's been zero in there, apparently. Unless they wanted to put, like you said, cameras or lights or something. Lights. We'll find out. I like that we don't have it. I hate it when things are back to the back. I get so messed up. Maybe I have to select something I just don't know. Start the back and look forward and see if the same thing happens. Okay. Communications. The insurances. We don't have those figures. I like this new equipment. So there we have it. It's going to be a big delta. When we get all those insurance numbers in. It is. It's going to be for real. And that will take your statement. Huge. Huge. Yeah. It's going to be eye-opening for sure. No, and I will ask, do you think that next, I don't want Sandra to come in until we're ready for her to be here. Right. So do you think we're ready for the December 3rd or should we wait until the 10th? No. I think we need to wait until the 10th. No, I think we need the whole, we need all those insurance numbers to really know because the yellow boxes are going to be big and we don't have them. And we don't have, therefore, we do not have a bottom line. No, we don't. So we don't know. So. Really still writes. But do we need her to come in and explain? Any of these numbers to us? Are you guys good? I think we can just have her answer the questions that we have here. We can ask her at staff meeting. Exactly. And then report back to the board. Yeah. I'm more focused on the bigger picture. Right. Where the, where, you know, things like that one where we said, oh, that's locked in a three-year contract. Right. Like having. The audit. Like that could be in the notes. So that we know that there's absolutely no wiggle room right on this one, because you've already signed that year. I would like to see the notes and another column of the year. Anybody else find it? Absolutely. At least for a white ball right? It's hard to go back and forth. Yeah. And then just wait and then she can print it in a landscape. but that's where we have any flexibility whatsoever even if it's even if it's stupid you know what I'm saying right to know okay they're actually we do actually have a choice there well and that also is good training for us right right we have to know what is black absolutely black and white and what is our discretion because right you know we're gonna have to own how much salt we buy or whatever right because we do have that discretion so she'll work on getting these different insurances yeah I've already talked to her about it she was working on it so I don't know if she's gonna have a pretty certain but I mean we gotta have those numbers before we can really do even if even if all we have even if if we don't have a for next week Denise if we could have for next week a placeholder number even if it's carryover and then a bottom line you know the bottom of age seven what is it all all what have all four of those FYs lump columns add up to so we can see that we can see a place for the totals that's and you said the cemetery yeah I made a note for that right well I know I saw it one time right right and then yeah and then that next to me I'm going to the school budget right it's it's gonna be a little and I had and I had down here zoning administrator position which I've already updated you on because it applies to thinking about with the budget so if I could get everybody to kind of think about this and maybe we skits maybe our PC did you want to say anything on that no no no I just put these down as possible updates yeah every time okay you know we've got the first draft of the warning and like I said the numbers that I didn't hear for the social services agencies are just the ones from I just copied them from last right right right now it's just a big arc but I don't think if you there's no increase in the Kellogg Hubbard library budget and no increase on Central Montesol Waste Management but the grand juror position is now optional so I don't know if we want to just not do it you have the ability to make changes to to this document that's it it's in word oh yeah sure and then you can just email it back to me okay okay so let's remove the ranger for right now I want you to do a strike through so we know what we did yeah and was the law agent also optional no Jim said that because I double checked those I had heard that the juror grand juror might be going away and he said yeah wings have been clipped your grand juror obviously the town's grand juror has been obsolete for a long time yeah now towns do not have to elect a grand juror or even a point one right and looking at the other changes and said there will be much of anything for a grand juror to do the appointment of Fed's viewers and a pound keeper is also optional yeah makes you feel sleep better at night yes all right and this one here if you can want to just put a note that we had that writing like from Craig or something yeah I've got it from Tom McCollum yep using executive director or something right yeah Tom McCollum so you can you just where I say need to check mm-hmm just to write through your yeah do a strike through and just say her right now we increase for Tom McCollum or something and then when we see Kay Lenny yep Kay Lenny yeah all right I think the cemetery is we're not asking for any increase article seven this is about popular he'll remember we talked about putting an article on for helping them maintain the cemetery even though it's private I don't know what Eastmont players select board decided they were deciding whether they were going to support it or not were we gonna hear back from them yep I gotta check their I know it was gonna be on one of their agendas but I don't know which one so I will follow just can you put it out there Denise to follow up or something mm-hmm right now 8 we don't have anything to fill it there yet well community connections if it's well we need to find out right we find well and it doesn't mean that they won't want to want money I mean our kids are still going there so yeah so can we put a note after 1000 to check and see what the current what this put status find out status or something yeah right well and to be clear if they're going to Eastmont pillar it's probably not called Calis community that's really kind of it like there's still a community connection program that families rely on right so it would be interesting to know how many kids went when they were at in Calis and when that put at Eastmont pillar how many kids stop going there because the parents might not have a way to get them well I'm gonna pick them up at Calis right but still you know you gotta drive to East Montpelier I think the Calis was where you're coming from Montpelier anyway so you can just go that way because it's for working families right now everybody works in Montpelier no that is absolutely true and it's a you know some destruction right whatever they ask the school board they decided my little footer got screwed up that's all right okay what's next yeah we're gonna have any figures for this until after Judy gets all the requests and I don't know oh I forgot to put a note Katie can you put a note there it's not out of it cross out adamant cooperative ink please and put in I don't know it's like every so many years properties that we exempt like the animate co-op I wonder if there's anything do this year to do this year they can know is anyone up this year or something yeah I don't know exactly sure how we track it I'm hoping well there's a great deal time reports I'm with us can we give it to make a corner make a corner community center and a man community club right do we give it to me yeah there might be anything else is for it gets to a vote where it does this and then the only way I can cure it without constantly refreshing it is to completely reboot the computer and the connection okay now let's look at this one here about the taxes yeah is this right out of the text from last year yes yes I just changed the dates because I need to know are you looking to respond to the email how we're gonna have so the first question is forget about the warning how do we interpret the current language right so I have an answer where is the need to go down to the one oh about postmark right well so that's that one that is the only one I believe so one of them the one that says that the ones at the top of our screen shall each tax installment be made with you know with attention to the postmark that we're talking about whichever number that is shall each property tax installment payment be made by delivery to the trader by 4 p.m. honor before the due date or the U.S. Postal Service Postmark made on before the due date so I think that that sense could be clarified and its own right right but then so that is talking about the postmark for regular payments for regular payments and then the grace period this is does not mention a postmark right and so how that would normal construction of interpretation rules would say okay we knew about the postmark possibility we obviously know about it because we incorporated it two lines above right didn't put the postmark option right in this one and I'm guessing that's that's what's being questioned in this right talking about this email here yeah and so how I would interpret it now this is the Craig line email that I asked Katie to put in the right folder so how I would interpret that is the same way the Sandra did if we had meant to have a postmark you know I don't know credit for postmark then we would have put it and we didn't forget because we had it two lines above that's how that's how you would normally interpret one place in the law has it another one doesn't so I think the way that she's doing it is correct I would interpret it the same way the question the question is it doesn't have to be that way we can add the postmark in for the next round and just but she's been posting stuff on from porch form which I didn't have a chance to go and look at saying that the grace period is 4 p.m. right on right 20 is it 29 yeah because we don't talk about right a grace period I mean having a postmark so if it's not if it's not stated then it doesn't apply it's a reasonable interpretation that it doesn't apply but I guess I didn't see that email and I'm a little bit confused she can call it he just barely sent it to send it to me before I left to be here oh okay it said it said Rose Katie can call it up yeah why are we why are we not interpret why are you not using the postmark for the grace period he says this runs but he says this runs contrary to Cal's policy of at least the last few decades if not longer postmarks suffice for the IRS and state tax departments but ours and state tax departments don't have grace periods so so Sandra saying that postmarks don't apply on the grace period which is the two-week period after the due date here's the email postmark no longer count so what does that mean like if it's postmarked on the 14th day no that's okay or she has to have it in her hand she said apparently saying that she has to have the grace period payment in hand by 4 p.m. on the 14th day of the grace period apparently because the 14th day this time is the 29th so what she's saying is I'm not going to accept checks that come in the mail after the 14-day grace period because the postmark says the 29th if you want it to count get it to me by the 29th yeah I don't agree with Sandra you know no but why we're already giving people a grace period I know but I well I think that it's just the understanding that you have a two-week grace period and the postmark counts but it doesn't say yeah I know it's so yeah so we need to clarify right I mean it's a callous person and Sandra hasn't been in our town for a couple of three to five years when we've had this and if we if we put that in the articles the next warning Sandra will have zero issues right she wants it clarified she's reading the article that we currently have yeah and one has it and one article has something about the postmark the grace period article does not have anything about the postmark and that's the problem yeah yeah so it needs to be clear right right but I wouldn't in just now that you've brought me up to speed and my interpretation and what I know just from being here I would assume that a postmark on that 14th day is valid not in her hand and she won't accept anything else after that so so a couple of things one is Denise are we taking Craig's word for it that is Sandra's interpretation or did she actually put something up she put something on which form but I can't find it I will find it before we talk to her on Wednesday right because she might say I didn't say right I do I do remember her posting stuff but I kind of just didn't really thoroughly read it right and contrary to what Craig says it's not been the last few decades no no no we haven't even had the right yeah yeah so now every taxpayer channel may be aware of this change it's not a change we just didn't we didn't clearly state it even in last year's right it's her so it would be interpreted either way it's yeah yeah it yeah I mean I would interpret it the way same way Sandra did but a different question is whether we have the authority to say to interpret it differently right it's that is it within our authority as the board to interpret well she's not elected right but the but the work the article is as it was passed right so who has the authority to interpret that language that's a good question Jim Barlow Jim has the authority to tell us who has the authority well he yeah he has a talent for ability to tell us his opinion right who has the authority right I mean frankly yeah if we have the authority to interpret that provision I don't really have a problem with saying we can interpret the other way the other way but I but but that is not a beating up of Sandra Sandra is interpreting the plan right yeah so the question is who has you who has the authority to interpret the language minutes from 2017 grace period to be established after the property tax due dates blah blah blah grace period for the first two weeks grace period for the second installment through November 29 taxes coming things with delinquents we didn't even say anything about yeah here is what Sandra has posted to the transport school yeah it was she posted this Tuesday grace period for payment of 2018 cows property tax ends Thursday November 29 2018 at 4 p.m. postmarks are not accepted for the grace period and tax payments must be in the office on or before November 29 2018 at 4 p.m. yeah when did she put that out there this was published on Tuesday Tuesday last week yes so so another another point to Craig is more to anybody like she let us know oh his point is what people are in a front porch form they don't know that's a change but it's not it could be debated whether it's a change right well we don't know how Donna what Donna was doing well we can find out yeah but you know I didn't need to get back to him he does raise a valid issue right and she's probably doing this in her capacity as delinquent tax collector and well I'm good for her for letting people know and being really clear yeah right and it's up to us next warning to be very clear right right and she has raised that issue in a previous discussion so I think the question is who has the authority to interpret that provision if anybody yeah and if we can just and I would be in favor of if it's up to the select board to have it this year that we do kind of the postmark but now she's already posted stuff on from first we're saying we're not yeah I don't think so you don't do she have to go back and send out another email and post something else on from porch for and say oh sorry we will accept it and then some people are going to say well you said you weren't accepting it and now you are right but the question really is what what is the harm right if somebody relied on the on the front porch forum posting that postmark wouldn't which they had what a week and a half two weeks ahead of time if they relied on the fact that the postmark wouldn't count and they got it in ahead of time in whatever fashion when they drove a hero they mailed it earlier what's the harm there's not really harm nobody's harmed the only way someone's harmed is if it was tax starts being assessed penalty right and interest right right no I because she gets it on the 20 right I'm saying 30 and it's postmark 29 but I'm saying if we have the authority to interpret that language to include that postmark counts and we convey that to sander without making a big who howl over town about it nobody's really harmed yeah people who pay their taxes on time I mean I don't know how many towns even do a grace period right it's in some ways it's caused more problems for the it's it's a petty point but I get it but I was saying it has created right some issues trying to be nice and give people that extra little time right even though everybody else might have got it in on time I don't think that I yeah I mean it was trying to help people out was the problem just clarify the next time right and let's figure out how we can most expediently make us go away for this time right all right so I'm going for the day I don't know who's driving whether it's clear I do think by the way actually on those ones when I saw the need to clarify I thought just that we were gonna like because I hadn't read the emails yet that just the way that the language was written was kind of cumbersome and I thought oh we could we could tighten it up we could make it a little more you know the way it is I think we can make the whole thing clear just on what we are already trying to say so I'll just put that placeholder out and I actually made the edits and I don't know where they are maybe you could send me yeah your thoughts yeah there's one person driving the document yeah okay so further down okay this is where we need to maybe get Jim to write us an article less and there's a typo on the next one it should be just asking them whether we need to talk about at some point as gee I mentioned when she was here about going to a professional assessor instead of listers we need to be thinking about that as we're looking at the budget plus we need to think about when we want to because if it goes in this warning that it's effective for FY 20 and we're working on FY 20 budget now so we've got like half of FY half of 2019 to go through so I don't know if we can do an article that would not hold us to a specific date but just give us that authority should we need it later on before we have another town meeting so I thought I'd ask Jim to help us with the wording for that article and I think you had already mentioned that it doesn't have anything to do with the charter right need that to be I already asked them that yeah so the question is whether whether we can get open-ended authorization right or even even just like for a three-year window and have it renewed or whatever right right something because we need to have some flexibility right I have a question you know pertaining to this the assessor assessor and listers and zoning administrator and assistant administrator you know Jan has kind of painted somewhat gloomy outlook or picture that you know there's nobody out there with this level of expertise or knowledge or whatever and I get that but are we really advertising for this or how are we disseminating information I mean we're always looking for volunteers for our different positions but you know how do we know you know and I'm just asking because I'm not in that circle of lister and planning commission and zoning how do we know that there's not somebody out there or a couple people with some level of expertise who might want to do this or a retiree or who wants to be his own I think you raise a good point but I also think that the listers and PC they go to these different meetings there's been roundtable discussions in every town in Vermont is struggling with the same issue especially since the job of lister now is so incredibly detailed and the state keeps putting more and more things that they have to do there's so many different computer programs that they have to know and understand if you could find three new volunteers good luck I think yeah I mean I I don't know I mean we see a lot of people that tell meeting day we visit and stuff but right you know outside of that it's like as a community how do we reach out like how do we have a job fair you know like right right callus needs a new zoning administrator we need some listeners we know we know so I don't know how we can draft something nice we have a handout at town meeting saying you know we could we could come up with something like that yeah yeah I mean I don't yeah I just looking for volunteers yeah yeah yeah I mean I I understand and I believe her and she's in a different circle than me you know right she goes all those trainings and stuff I think that they're seeing how difficult and complex and tedious and time-consuming isn't they're doing it really cheap yeah yeah and that was another budgetary concern that I have is that you know here we go we have to put in you know we put in professional audits and we have auditors and you know not to put an assessor and we're gonna have to put a hired zoning administrator making more than John and I'm really curious about how other towns and I know we look to East Montpellier really at Woodbury with our neighboring towns but other similar size counts 1500 to 2000 people what are their what what are their budgets how do they get their work done and maybe sampling half a dozen of those towns so we've got those points of comparison to say okay we looked at you know ABCDE well towns from around the state that are about the same size as we are but DLCT must have I know they have a list of towns and what the population right so we can look at our neighbors population wise and go to their website for you know that's not a very complicated research project to just quick get a quick sample of how other towns our size are doing it and if they're starting if we see some examples of moving in that direction that's one thing we see budgets bigger than ours or about the same size as ours growing like ours that's good information we see that we are an outlier yeah that's information we need to we can see we can get some of that it may be something that we can get Barbara to work on I think so yeah because right now my project list is pretty long if she has time I'd be great we can ask on Wednesday Judy can ask Barbara to do that budget population and then some towns have their it's our budget like literally line-by-line online well the town report is right so yes we could actually so I really all you need to do is go and look at town reports yeah a similar size towns I think what I'm hearing from who I deal with this is across the state there's so many more mandates from the state who get some of them from the feds that you know they've got all these things that towns have gotten in trouble for because auditors haven't right the local auditors haven't picked up on things and they have that's why you have to now pretty much have a professional audit just to you know well this is good data because this will give us the the rationale to explain it at town meeting day right this is the reason why you know we have to pay to have an assessor an assessor is on this and other towns are doing the same yeah right yeah but it would be good I think before town meeting we know some of these questions are going to come up if we could all have a document and I'll you know make sure that we get it typed up so that we can all have the same answers before town meeting right so that because we're going to get phone calls individually from different people right if we're all saying the same thing and know the same information I think it will be helpful good and I think to Rose's point there's also there's also a lot of joy and reward and we all value our small town and so there's another there's another way to look at all of this it is it is complicated but it's it's not insurmountable and there might be people there might be I mean I know that Judy periodically puts out a plea on for a forum looking for volunteers and I've done it too and you get very little people respond when they're asked and writes well that's how we have some of the people we have because we right cornered them at town meeting or just no you say you know like for instance somebody suggesting how we should do something or they're complaining about it well then yeah use your opportunity to help us out and volunteer that's how I get a lot of people they call and complain yeah and I put them to work all right all right this is all good we want to go into executive session so I think we're going to have to skip the grow dating again again while Jerome is packing up should we do the minutes are going to say anything about computer support discussion Cliff is doing some work on that and it involves contracts so I think we need to go into executive session discuss that as legal matters yep I do minutes first I looked at the minutes and I did not have any suggestive changes I had a couple you had some I didn't understand though even rose I had won she did and I and I did it in the Google I did it was how septic oh I saw that I saw that I'm sorry I didn't I failed to note the occasion yeah that was like first of roads you know now there's no goal my first sh it discussion I picked a good one but it's not how come it's so big it does that I have that problem my computer sometimes Google decides it should be bigger I don't have to go into the tools we're going to go into executive session why don't go into executive session and do the minutes after you do the minutes after right again okay so I would make a motion that would go into the second session discuss personnel matters and legal matters of a contractual contractual nature at 9 20 second that all those in favor please say aye