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back his name is I do that to my mother all the time are you kidding yeah I'm not doing a show my come on stop it well I want to do a show it's a good thing that people don't know my landline number but some yeah it's in the day some might somebody actually probably is going to call Natachie you said that are we live on Facebook no are we actually live live yeah we've been live for two minutes oh that's not good that's not good this is not a broadcast network so yeah but for me it is so this is not good you people are going to hold us against me so this is not good oh I see three people on there uh this is not good they will join your massive amounts all your enemies are there watching so far probably they're hoping he loves he's gonna float the first question we know it's fun you guys know when you're like fifth seventh eighth eleventh year look at you wow still at the same studio well it's the seventh year we've been doing it from here right then we were okay so we were doing it for like almost four five years before five years yeah from Buffalo okay in Santa Monica so we've now been doing it longer in person than we did remotely that's true that's true well the last two years we haven't been well shit yeah that's it all up yeah just totally screwed up the whole thing west coast just say west coast right west coast west coast okay let me see if I can hide my friend toast west coast oh I couldn't put it in my other room but we're live live to drive stand by well we'll have we'll have you out of here at six and and since you know and when we finish at the top of the hour you can just go you don't have to say goodbye or once we say thanks everett you were fine and when we go to the break you can you can just oh I wasn't sure you know you might want to do um extra shots from here you know no no so the way we'll we'll open it with a cold open with the three of us and you know and you our guest tonight is Everett Oliver you go hi how you're doing and then I mean that's how we that's how we've been doing it and then oh my god you so hi dad told me to say hi you can even do that that's fine dad the point is we're trying to you know gotta bring some humor to it some life to it that's how we've always done it we've never taken it seriously never not as George goes like this no you're not taking it seriously never not you're taking it seriously yeah okay it is 459 oh i spilled water on me again you talking to me that's okay we're gonna say look look at all the cameras we got in front of us here I know it's it's a great little setup now showing how the sausage is made yeah all right and if with a with a wide shot you can see more than how the sausage is made right and I can I can just go like this see the sausage and I can I can be totally relaxed here on the couch and therapy all right hey it's time for voiceover body shop it's this camera over here right yeah that one over there okay yeah we got lots of cameras set up here tonight because we have a great 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whoa right whoa dude yeah look at that yeah there we are single cam and you know we finally figured out how to do all this stuff so just in time when why are we doing it because we can because it's fun that's right but uh been an interesting couple of weeks i of course had a and aside from my boo boo from last week when we were in toronto then i had a major boo boo because somebody rear-ended me and then i hit them in the car in front and they both left you were a pinball and a pinball game and the game just drove away right and i became an accordion and that's not even i i don't even know what to say other than we're glad you're okay i'm i'm glad i have some boo boos and you now have a new car because you really had no choice no you know and if you couldn't even buy the same car you owned it was impossible if you try to buy a new car right now you're going to be shocked at what the what dealerships are charging over the msrp disgusting it is and they're they're making up for all the money they lost during the the pandemic and the gas companies are making up for all the money they lost during never i don't think they've been losing that's another story anyway anyway we want to talk about helping you make some money and the way you do that as a voice actor is by auditioning so we decided why don't we have somebody on who really really really really really understands auditioning and so we figured out what i want to talk to everett so anyway everett oliver is a 25-year veteran of the entertainment industry he specializes in professional directing for voiceover auditions he has experience as an animation demo co-producer a private coach for commercial and animation as well as a career building consultant that is a career building consultant no a career building consultant just in case you were wondering what tips does he offer to help you book the work you desire let's welcome back to our show it's been a while though and that's everett oliver everett are you in there somewhere i am here hey buddy how are you good to see you good to see you too yeah eventually we're gonna get everybody back in the studio of course i don't know where we're gonna put him including an audience including an audience you do remember we had about 18 people in here one night i was there i was there so i so we have a witness that will prove that that actually happened it was pretty fun i know all right so you you can coach people with their auditions i mean but let's start now you've been in the business for like 25 years what brought you to this sort of niche area of coaching um basically i worked at a talent agency and they basically threw me in the booth and you know they said listen you need to start you know directing and helping actors since i came from the casting background i came from the cast inside of animation so when all of my shows ended in animation i talked to my mentor who was charlie adler and charlie adler told me oh you need to go ahead and work at a talent agency and be a booth director and i had no idea what a booth director was and then um i used to work for avio talent so uh sandi schnarr and peter ronald they threw me in a booth and so that's how my life started i just started directing and started understanding actors and picking up little things here and there to help them book that's how it really started so it's just in the trenches yeah so talent would come into into the agency which doesn't go on a whole lot anymore not anymore and uh and so and there was a booth there and you would sit there and they would audition for things and you're like slow down i would slow down speed up that's not you get out of your head i would you know that's that is that what you have that's not gonna work i would give them i would give them my honest opinion yeah and the basic honest opinion would be my facial expressions because everybody could read my facial expressions so if it was a smile and go like this that's great but if it was one of those oh that means i have to do it again oh yeah you don't have to name names were there were there people that were showing up in your booths a lot more than others were there a few that you saw far more than others oh yes i mean you know they came in on pretty regular basis i mean we had a full schedule so i would audition from like 9 30 in the morning until probably 4 4 30 in the afternoon and it was in 15 minute increments so you were just receiving about maybe five or six pieces of copy and you literally had to study the night before so when you came into the booth you had two takes maybe three to get it right and then i would turn around and be like oh that get out next next character next year because the agents would be out there saying you're taking way too long with them you know this is not something where they came in and studied they had to be prepared and they were coming in cold on these totally and so now you know i try to have my actors you know me doing it for myself um you know try to tell them listen you have to prepare and come at it the same exact way because what's going to happen when you book a job and you're put on a spot you know and and in the casting people in the producers are going to be throwing things at you and you have to be ready so this is what i try to prepare the actors so i work with now i'd like to think that people understand the importance of taking audition seriously and to not keep doing the same thing how do you learn to differentiate yourself and and do something different every time how do you what what what are your suggestions once you know you have to come from a from an angle of a point of view i think that a lot of people are basically just reading the copy they're not actually breaking down the scripts or not understanding what's happening in the scripts and or they're following the same type of the directions to see if they're following the specs they're not thinking themselves outside of the box so you know my suggestion would be is to you've got to be creative there are now thousands of you who are auditioning for the same part across the whole world so do one take that comes from the actual specs that was they want and then throw in a second take that's going to wow them don't give them the same acting style but give them something that's really going to make your personality bring your personality into it because everybody has different personalities and that's what's going to help you book and you got to keep at it you know you can't you know do voiceovers for two three months and then stop and then pick back up you know if you got to keep doing it you got to keep researching you have to keep playing you've got to keep coaching you got to keep doing workout groups this is going to make you a better audition actor yeah i mean it's amazing how everybody's seems like they get locked in this mode of imitation yeah but i guess that's is that i mean if you're starting from literally zero is that where you start is imitating or is that just a natural proclivity of a person who does voiceover because we love to imitate no i mean the first thing i tell people is you have to take you have to take acting you have to do improv those are the first two i mean i made a lot of people who say i was actually working with somebody today and i could tell that they were imitating you know like a co-worker and i was like no no let's go back to basics you have to know the acting it's all about your acting it's nothing about your voice i can't even tell you how many people are so concerned about that and i have to drill it into them with tough love yet we know well that's another gateway that's another gateway in the voiceover right which is the thing that everybody hears at least once you've got a great voice aren't you doing voiceover i get that all the damn time right and you hear that a lot and you're not voiceover i'm like no i'm not doing voiceover yeah and i could talk yeah i get it all the time they say what do you do for a living i'm a voice actor oh i can tell like it's just the way i sound for crying out loud but you know but perhaps i talk a little bit more properly than other people you enunciate and i you know unlike a lot of kids today are just keep talking like this i have no idea what they're saying you know complete sentences yeah hey give me any details on that i'm like talking about tell them to slow down yeah so i'm and i'm sure you're working with a lot of kids these days and when i say kids i mean anybody under 40 i'm glad you clarified that yeah who it's just a different culture and and how do you have to work with with folks like that because i mean all right you're probably closer to that than we are but you know uh let's be clear about that all right um i work yes in fact the good news is today i've been working with uh she's got to be about nine maybe 10 years old and she got she booked something today and i've been working with her for about a good year on learning very conversational reads that she comes from the theater background so she's been shouting at me for a couple of months you have to detune her right the little lady in the back row hey hey pull back the throttles right yes but i mean she's learned you know i'm one to give you know you have to do homework you have to do research you have to keep studying and i've drilled it into her so i was very proud to find out that we got our first she got a callback probably about three weeks ago she just found out today she booked so that was my you know pride is that a commercial thing commercial it was an animation it was actually an actually an animation so yeah so when you're talking about you need to do your homework you need to do your research would you feel like that's more for animation stuff or that's for everything across the board everything you need to be watching what's a kind of research shows television shows animation shows uh you need to find out what the trends are happening commercial wise you need to find out what kind of animation shows that are out there movies for animation um tv uh what do promos that are happening what's going on in the narration world i mean you need to be soaking up everything like a sponge you know and a lot of people are not doing that and what they're doing is is hey i get this audition and then the first thing they think of they think of me and then they contact me and then i'm asking them a whole series of questions and i could tell instantly that they're not going to book this because the fact is that they have not done what they're supposed to do and they expect me to do it for them and that's uh no no the same as mine yeah once again where if you're just joining us you've already missed a ton that's important everett oliver is our guest we're talking about auditioning because that's what we do for as voice actors we got to audition so people can hear us and say you know that's the right voice for doing that if you've got a question for everett about auditioning or coaching or one of these things that that he deals with you can put it in the chat room and jeff holman is right there and he's going to write it down and we're going to ask everett in the next segment in just a little bit so don't be shy ask your questions you know you're going to think of it like two minutes before we're done and all of a sudden there's like 10 questions but now we want you to put your questions in so we can answer them in the next bit anyway okay so what are some I mean you've mentioned this a little bit you talked about people just doing it the way they you know they think that they they should do it or just talk their voice what are some of the common mistakes that you see people make when they're they're sending in auditions they take too long with the audition something that should take them probably 15 30 minutes it's taking them 45 minutes to an hour oh that's too long yeah they're over thinking it editing they have no editing skills that's part of it so the editing is slightly off timing pacing like I said they don't study they're not marking their scripts up that's a really a major factor they're not sure what's happening with that they don't improv um how many is that that's enough that's enough to make a difference I think with some people you know they don't have a point of view um I'm trying to think of all the people I'm stuck today they're listening to their voice and not concentrating on their acting uh that's what I can think of right now all right and that's and that's a ton because that's what every you know and I I hear a lot of auditions to people are sending us audio all the time and we're they're like well they're just reading so we can hear what the audio sounds like and stuff but they all try they put try to put a performance in for the stuff they send you george put a performance in like a like a long script to me not a long script but at least try to you know sound like an audition as opposed to hi this is my audio oh I insist on it yeah yeah when they send me a just a okay I'm talking you know a microphone I'm like no no how would you use this microphone I need to hear yeah your technique your how you place the mic how far away how much energy you project right you know comes across flat comes across flat reads too yeah whatever it is if you read flat that's the way I want to hear it because that's going to determine what we're going to be doing today right exactly so uh so people make a lot of mistakes I mean especially people who are new people who have been doing it for a while they still make those kinds of mistakes too I mean after a while I imagine some people feel like they did they can just phone it in because they always book is you find that a common thing or do the people that always book they are pros and they are always on and they always get it done they get it I mean the people are pros yes you're exactly right they know they get it done I think now the thing is is it's about now stepping outside of your comfort zone that's what's going to really help you book and and now I'm working with actors to go not on a surface level of what I call it but you got to go on a much more deeper level because of the simple fact is that now that we're all doing stuff from home you don't really know what your competition is that's true well we never know what our competition is we do I did we throw it right you heard them all we didn't we never heard what anybody else was doing it was like we're guessing you know why did this guy book it you know why didn't I and they'll never tell you you probably will I did I oh good once again if you got a question for ever throw it in the chat room right now whether you're in Facebook live whether you're on YouTube live where else are you doing this I don't know I some place else it just goes out into the ether and everybody is watching but no matter where you're watching if there's a chat room there throw the question in there right now um what do you do to help people improve I mean I obviously if they're at an agency you know when you were working in an agency you were working with pros people who agents have said okay we want to work with these people now you're working with people who are trying to break into the business how do you get them to improve and I'm sure it's pretty much the same answer that they had to do their homework they I just you know I drill stuff into them I mean it's constantly you know attending classes what I I'll put I'll have on some online classes I'll bring talent agents I'll bring casting people in front of them to see what they can do in front of a casting person or an agent and then I'll give them personal notes I'll do private you know coachings with them and tell them specifically as to what they're doing wrong so I'm constantly drilling into them I could hear Patrick Kushner in my head now like trying to come up with ways to get out of your head or you know having quotes in sayings in front of you just so the fact is that that you're gonna look up and you're gonna see oh I need to be consistent in your character or I need to add improv so it's just like a thing they have to keep they've got to bring their a game for me to go ahead and pull out their performance but the other thing that just hit me too is they also got to be willing to go ahead and play I think that's one of the things that's missing also in actors' performances is that they lack of them playing because they're so busy worried about booking the jobs so they need to be vulnerable for them to be comfortable as to who they are right and real actors really know that yes well I mean they're all actors they all come from acting backgrounds whether or not they're non-union or union agencies I have an agent I don't have an agent but I think that the main consistent thing which is hitting me now is they don't understand who they are and I could pinpoint who they are within probably 30 seconds to a minute because I'm tapping into them and fully understanding them and that's really one of my unique gifts that I have that I can go ahead and say that's not you that's somebody else so if you're gonna do whatever you're gonna do as a first take let's do that as a first take let's lay that audition down as a first take because that's what you came up with now I'm looking for you and let's go let's go even deeper depending on what the kind of copy is and stop worrying about freaking out about oh my god I gotta pay my health insurance or I need to book this job because you know they're gonna tow away my car and I think people get caught up in everyday life and this is why they don't book so people I mean I've had people book when people are just not feeling well because they're not thinking about it they're vulnerable right right oh my gosh that's interesting so you book you book you book when things are happening in in your personal life you know that you go and do some sort of trauma that way because you're like you know especially women who are women who are about to give birth or you know guys who are just you just go in there and they just do it because they don't care that you had a loss maybe right some some tragedy something really tragic and you're kind of raw and you're a little on the edge but I do is I feel out the care I feel out the actor in the in the atmosphere so I have a sense and I have aware of once I kind of understand the dynamics of whatever situation is happening because then I could tap in and then I could go in and say listen like I had for example I can undo it from example I had a little girl who was sick and I could tell she wasn't feeling well and her mom was like if you're just gonna let her do it my mom I was like okay I'm not gonna worry about mom I'm gonna worry about her she's just gonna come in the booth and I sit there what's wrong with you she says oh I'm not feeling well I said we're gonna do two takes god bless you we're gonna read two takes right exactly we're gonna do two takes and that's it she did two takes and she wind up booking the job oh she knew about it yeah and then of course she was feeling much better when she actually did the job and it's like no that's not what we want you weren't you sick no that's that's what we like to hear well what's gotta be interesting is that she would have heard that performance later like I would think and then she would hear that I mean because how much time between the audition and the day you do the gig how much time elapses sometimes it depends animation animation it could wind up being like like probably three months maybe six months right it depends on the production schedule if it's commercial you know the turnaround is going to be a little quicker you know promo is going to be a little quicker um every other genre narration medical all that stuff takes you know maybe a couple of weeks so you definitely got to re replay or play back what it is did what they did job exactly what you sounded like that day yeah so let me take this a little bit more in the macro how do you help someone find their voice and I know you know what I mean because everybody has their voice but everybody seems to want to sound like somebody else we certainly see that in the tech world where it's like hey you got to make me sound great and stuff like that how do you find help people find their authentic voice I listen to them as a person and I listen to I get this kind of a sixth sense or a feeling and I listen to who they are and whether or not their wall is up I get a lot of actors that are walls up and once I'm able to go ahead and either send them to someone or pull their wall down that's how I can find who the actual voice is it's about them being confident and I'm looking for the confidence that's how I help them find their voice I've got to get them to be confident I got to get them to be able to play it's silly and as fun as I am I need them to be just somewhat like me not as insane as I am per se yeah that's going that's going a bit a bit far but that's what I do because I bounce around if you've seen me in person I'm bouncing around I'm moving yeah you're like ticker you sound like my little brother second that to me but it's once I once I get them in a comfortable level and once they feel comfortable within themselves then I pull out I can hear their voice then I say that's it that's you now read the copy I just automatically go ahead and get them in a state of read the copy and read the copy now before you lose it right right now you've been working with a lot of kids lately I mean like as you were just saying you know little girl little guy you know people under 10 is it how how do you direct them is it a little bit different than dealing with adults because you know you can't really throw the emotion in there the same way it's about who it depends on who the child who the little kid is so I have to understand them and then I have to understand the parent and so that's an important part is that the very important part yeah and the parent is there so I have to allow the parent to be the parent for that the same token I'm here for the child so I have to understand the kid's personality I tell me about what would what you like you know as far as your subjects in school what do you like to do for fun what are you doing your off time I need to know everything about the kid once I get to understand their acting understand who they are and then I can go ahead and push the parent aside then I'm able to go ahead and dig down in you know and pull performances out of the kid because kids just want to go they just want to do it they're not thinking about it so for me I sometimes have to throw in a laugh or a joke here and there get the kid to calm down and then you know make it fun yeah all right yeah we're talking with Everett Oliver once again if 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can't be shy ask your questions what do we got uh we'll start out with an easy one that came in email from sarah switek and her question is thank you so much for hosting the show with ever oliver tonight she says to dan and i my question is again how long should a voiceover resume be i'll ask first is there such thing as a voice over resume i have one your demo your demos your resume you some people have a list of credits that they've worked on list of coaches um it should probably be a page if you're gonna go ahead and and break the shows that you've booked um the coaches that you've worked on um and what what context would you use a re i just never hear that would resume thrown around talking um but what's a context where a voice a resume would be useful like for video games for video games if you you know for anime um not so much um uh animation they really don't care but i would say for anime and for video games for sure especially if they have new directors especially young directors that people who have been you know who are new to that field and people who've been doing it for a very long time um and your demos your calling card yeah that's an important part now here's the thing that i that i'd always wonder about because we all have demos you know some of us have more demos than others but generally people get booked off of their auditions don't they i mean doesn't it how important how important is your demo really to the whole production process still then things have changed now in 2022 now everybody gets booked off of their auditions anymore they get booked off of their demos so yes so it's very it's very important that you you have your demos current um i would say probably within maybe two years you probably want to go ahead and go ahead and get a new demo um i think it's kind of insane to have a demo for per category um you know for each genre but you definitely i mean animation and video games you should use those as two separate demos um maybe have a narration demo commercial and a promo um maybe a medical narration demo for sure you'll need one for that e-learning um i don't necessarily know you need to e-learning corporate narration but people are gonna you know if you're doing two separate things sure you need a demo for that maybe if you had more of a body of work in those different units different genres then you might want to do a real a cut reel of them right because it's so you know that thing or no i mean they used to do that years ago probably you know 2015 16 17 they would have that but now i mean it's a short time span yeah you know so when people are listening to stuff they want stuff really quick short to the point and and the thing that drives me insane is you need to have your telephone number on your website and not just have your email yes and not be looking for it oh you know so that's that's one of the fascinating things about people you know having a voiceover website it's like it's gotta be animated and it's gotta do that nobody cares nobody cares that name your demos and they'll find you and you're in your um logo your branding that should all be able to stick out stand out right already a question from patricia andrea she says uh i have one thing for the guys so i've been booth i've been in the booth been practicing got a bit of voice coaching still looking for a voiceover coach but i'm stuck in the types of samples to make as new and do i start on fiverr how long has she been coaching see when i do career consultations this is what it's stuff that i need to know i need to know how long you've been coaching i need to know if um how long what kind of acting classes if you take in what kind of improv classes have you taken where you located i need to know basic foundation work for me to go ahead and answer her question right well perhaps she should contact you and how would she and how would she do that we'll give you the chance to get later but how would they do that oh my initial eo at voice acting director all right once again we're talking with everett oliver we're talking about auditioning for voiceover work and and you specialize in animation and in gaming right more animation i would say um i specialize in commercials so i've you know audition wise i cover all genres because it's all acting to me you know so it's just a matter of me hearing how well you connect to that piece of copy that you're reading and bringing yourself to it but really my main focus is animation is top priority and video um commercial is my second all right you know and if we're talking about improv we got scott parkin coming on in two weeks you know his oh yeah his rib is healed so he knows he's actually going to come back he's ready he's ready right and if and if it's still sore he's still going to bring alcohol which is the most important thing which apparently he thinks is great for improv anyway next question from terry briscoe terry asks ever when you give that second take give us some things to focus on to make it pop for instance pay for instance pacing raising or lowering your voice different accents etc so you got the first take down you're happy with where do you go from there uh depends on what the copy is you want to go on a deeper level yes it has to do with pacing um bringing it depends if you didn't have a point of view on your first take you need to bring that to your second take um accents only do an accent that you feel comfortable with that an accent's from a reason of where you come from or heritage if you're putting on a funny accent i would not do it because they're gonna know right away um second take um you don't want to emulate the first take as far as your acting style so you know i say go for it you know stepping outside of your comfort zone if you think it's going to be over the top a lot of people who think they're who think that going over the top is going to make them really over the top but it's not you know it which means to me is is that they've never able to they don't know how to get out of the comfort zone they don't know what being like over the top is so they're scared they're afraid to even go there and so what i do is i push them so you need to push yourself to go over the top and nine times out of ten it's not going to be over the top because your personality doesn't fit that depending on who you are and sometimes you know for animation you have to do stuff that's over the top that's what's going to make you stand out yeah and that's an anime i've learned animation is always over the top it's like you know it's not normal reserved it's always right but video game is the opposite right video game is more about realism it's real it's a moment of realism of cinematic right it's really pulling those layers and really connecting and bringing bringing your like depending on you know some casting directors like to hear your heritage bring some of your background foundation to the read from where you come from where your family comes from so yeah here's one from uh from grace newton she asks as a booth director when you were a booth director what is the most challenging thing that you face in a day um auditioning one person with six piece of copying and trying to get it done in 15 and 20 minutes trying to get too much done in two little times trying to get that used to it right and it was the constant you know being at the agency was great it gave me the foundation and even to the state of me moving people in the fast quick pace but that was the challenging part is really is the deadlines we got to get the deadlines out and you have you guys have to be ready and be prepared and rather than just coming in like it's uh you didn't study like you would do in high school in college i'm thinking on one of my students right now they're trying to do it off the cuff right and they you know it works for some people it works for some people you know some people good what's good yeah that's why they mentioned your name yeah now here's an interesting question and george and i are going to look at this and go what uh from dan alpern he says do you want to know if i auditioned from the road or a hotel room but have a better sounding home studio should you tell them no that's actually an interesting question yeah kind of yeah i mean but i i always find that people are like i got to audition from the road so i'm unless of course they're in the road company of hair or so he's worried that his audition he does from the road isn't representative of his home studio right so i guess i'm saying why bother right should you bother i wouldn't i wouldn't mention well i i think you should i mean you know you're you're submitting something i don't think in this day and age unless your sound quality is that bad that you shouldn't but i think you should you make those preparations when you're going on a trip you should bring all that stuff with you i bring my stuff with me when i'm traveling so why not you know but i wouldn't let the client know that i'm auditioning you know from the road at home i wouldn't say that you know you make sure your sound quality is just as good at home as it is on the road so you need to pull it off what you're saying is you need to pull off a really good make it work road make it work make it work all right do what you have to do you're you're a professional so do what you have to do and that requires knowledge of how to record on the road and don't just like you know you can't wing it you got you have to know it sounds like it's advanced absolutely well it wouldn't be voiceover body shop unless jahoris black had a question for us so jay jay you go for it yeah he said i just want to say thanks again for facilitating the connection with with ellie representation apparently that happened um can't tell you how pleased i am appreciate you bro um he's been getting a lot of auditions lately that only ask for one take what's your suggested approach for these kinds of things and are they just doing that because they're just yeah they're probably on the time they're probably don't want to listen to everything if you're gonna do one take go for it don't hold back bring every nook and cranny and jay stop worrying and stop thinking because you tend to worry and think a lot of questions stop asking just do it just whatever it is because jay there's too many people are dishing for the same thing you have to my thing is this you have to go to a conference once you go to a conference and you see how many people is at a conference that's going to tell you what your competition is okay so i i don't know what else to say you just need to just do it and go for it you know you guys have to also i had notes here too you guys have to network you have to put yourself out there some of you think guys think that you're going to actually book from just doing an audition not in 2022 not in 2023 and not in 2024 people there's so many of you you have to put yourself out there through marketing through you know having a relationship with your coach through going to conferences this is how you get seen and this is how you get noticed playing at home sticking at home and being your booth is not going to get you noticed i've set my peace tough love's coming all right well if we can't if we don't hear from you what's it jay jay is i mean jay is awesome and we all take oh yes he asks really good questions but it does show you that jay he's a thinker he's serious he's serious about funny things yes and and he should not think he should just let it go and just do whatever comes natural and trust yourself and trust your instincts you know if you're playing it too safe and you know you've been playing this safe and it's not working out then the other way of doing it is okay let me just go for it you know meaning go big right easier said than done for a lot of people i mean of course if if you really can't add lib or you really can't be relaxed voiceover perhaps is not the profession for you i mean you've got to be able to you know look outside the box and those sorts of things how do you help someone relax and and do that kind of thing it's it's not easy i mean it's still hard for me you know except that i make them you know i've been doing it for years and it's like make them no i mean i make i i do off the wall stuff i you know i get in their heads i make them laugh i i do stuff to just relax them once i get them relaxed then i go ahead and i approach them approach to get into copy you just have to just uh you know i tell people actually to you know go jump on a trampoline i tell people to go exercise mean running go running go biking go skateboarding i tell people to go do something fun and then go do your addition so that way you're in a really playful mind the tons of people are doing that um go have a conversation with uh whoever just to distract you go do gardening go swimming um you know go walk your dog do something fun before you go ahead and you're gonna go tackle tackle those auditions that's gonna help you get into a mood you know because you're in a playful mood you're not thinking about it and again it should only take you 30 minutes if it's taking you longer you're wasting your time as one of my agents would tell me wasting your time they're not gonna book it they're overthinking it when when somebody gets a script and they're what what is the prep process that you would like them to do when they they first see it you know there's the specs there's the copy you know then you know and the specs sometimes can be much longer than copy which we we tend to see an awful lot uh what what process would you like to see them do read the script three times read the script enough three times that they're understanding what is required from them then after they read the script three times they should go ahead and they should start marking the scripts they should put in there where their emotional turns are going to be they should with their where they're going to probably improv um where you know certain buttons that they're going to go ahead and get then go ahead and read the copy at least once on mic just to kind of see where their true point of view is going to come through you know just read it you know read and act for the first take then read and act again for the second take where they're not thinking about it walk away for another 15 20 minutes just to go ahead and clear their head and then go by it and read for the third take they have three they should have three different takes they should be done in a half hour and then when they're done stop thinking about it check the labeling because that's important and leave it alone don't don't don't think about it don't call me don't think I thought don't email me and say oh I need you to re-listen to this before I send it out you won't listen to it as well as go cost oh no because my actors are actually my actors are bold enough they will send me text messages like hey I need you to see this I'm like okay it won't cost you I'm listening yeah people need to let it go every now and again you know you have to send it out I mean I've gotten I've done so many auditions in my lifetime it's like go you know just shove it down the pipe and like you know I gotta go walk the dog we're gonna go but it's right feed the dog or something but you have to remember too is it's more than just these auditions that's what I was saying earlier it's about you really have to network and put yourself out there and meet people this is how you're gonna find work you you could keep auditioning to you blue in the face but if nobody knows who you are that's gonna be a problem right you know this is when you're doing it for years and years and you're wondering why you know maybe you're coaching with people who are not connected with you who don't understand you you know that could be an issue maybe you know you totally you're getting bad advice from people maybe you're not going to these conferences you know maybe you're an introvert and you're trying that you know I meet tons there's tons of people who are introverts in our industry and it's like you have this emotional wall up and it's like well how do I get my emotional wall down it's like I'm not a therapist per se even though my colleague Uncle Roy always says we're all a therapist if we're coaches yeah you've been tech people a therapist exactly but it's like I send people as people to somebody to really work with them they're getting their wall down but it's a thing of you know you've got to be comfortable in your own skin to do this work you really need to know who you are and once you understand the dynamics of who you are and how you tick you're going to put that towards the copy whether it's a character or whether it's commercial copy and once you understand that dynamics that's what's going to help you book but if you're sitting here if you it's like if you can't make a decision in the grocery store whether or not you're going to have tuna for dinner or this for dinner then and and that's that's a problem going on in your everyday life then that's going to be problem in your and your voice over your voice over career we got one last question here yeah we got one last question here from Max Goldberg from YouTube says when receiving an audition script with no specs whatsoever what ways or steps are there to determine how one should self-direct and then proceed with recording I would just bring you I've never heard of anybody not having specs that's never happened to me in my years but I've seen it I've never seen that but I would say if that happened I would say just bring yourself to it whatever the copy is look at the copy and bring your true authentic truth to it yourself to it no all right it's fine out of time to throw something crazy against the wall and see what sticks right just be that's you too what you're playing true and use that as the second take oh there you go that's your second take that's your second take good job George you've learned to listen I've only heard you say that about 400 times it's always Patrick Kushner this man his man says names his man says names on this oh I pull you out I pull you out you know already well effort as always and well aside from just hanging out with you it's a pleasure having you on the show and offering your your expertise on on how to audition better again if people want to work with you where can they get a hold of you uh EO at voice acting director.com and voice acting director.com is my website I won't give up my telephone number because some some of them already have my cell phone number sounds like a lot of people yeah oh there's a lot of people there. I have it and when I see it come up oh it's everyone that's that's why I'm the only one in America that has a landline too. Well every thanks for being with us tonight we really appreciate it and thanks so much guys good luck in the future on all that. All right I will see you soon all right take care all right George and I'll be right back to wrap things up and re-racket for tech talk right after this so don't go away. You're still watching VLBS? 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Alrighty well like I said Scott Parkin's going to be here in a couple of weeks you know which we missed him last time he was here but yeah I know which will be a lot of fun not next week the week after that okay and then we have a two-week you know our cycle we'll have Scott Parkin and then we'll do tech talk again and then I'm going to be gone for a couple of weeks but we're only I think we're only going to miss like one week okay maybe two we're doing our best to not miss it between all the travels the holidays everything else yeah I mean it was you know kind of weird trying to fit it all together but anyway next week on this very show there will be tech talk number 88 88 it is it's going to be 88 88 but we're going to record that in just a minute so stay tuned if you got tech questions we want to hear your tech questions yeah but we do have people who help us do the show and that is the donors of the week yes sir and they are Robert Liedem Steven Chandler Casey Clack Jonathan Grant 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tech talk is coming up next live so if you want to ask your questions now would be a good time to throw it in the chat room because we're gonna do all that stuff and we got some cool stuff to talk about tonight but in the meantime this is not an easy business there's so many things you gotta do it be able to do right but when it comes down to it you know high audition and your you know your tech technology and all that stuff it really comes down to if it sounds good it is good i'm dan Leonard and i'm george widdum and this is voice over body shop or vio bs see you next week that was exactly an hour yeah on the done folks that's how it's done so you have to do it's that little dance you have to do to get the mic to come on for me didn't happen huh it yeah it was you came in just a second too fast oh i kind of was like go and you were like uh okay just just be conscious of that no but i mean you did they're saying they didn't hear me through the whole spot oh really wait a minute oh wait it says 555 no sound 56 last sound 56 sound on youtube okay i don't know there's just a several no sounds then yeah people must just be like waiting the second i open my i'm the director i'm the one that has to do oh i just want to make sure i wasn't sure if it wasn't working through the whole spot whatever it was just very you came in like i jumped a gun probably two seconds i jumped again people are just like waiting for something take a beat take a beat dammit that's right i can cue you when the levels are back up no worries okay that helps already okay so yeah so i got an error message on that upload just let me know what it says the upload is taking too long this might be a connection issue this is for the spot you were trying to upload oh oh okay all right well i can i can splice that in there okay when i edit this down dan alperin says my whole spot had no audio really yeah let's try it right now okay all right let's throw to me okay and action and i'm on camera and i'm talking um and okay great now i don't hear myself for the first five seconds i heard a loop and then it went away okay so hopefully everybody's hearing me on the or two you're hearing me in your headphones right i'm so well you might be hearing me live instead of through the studio oh that's the problem we need that mix minus setup it's a little it's a little dance okay so when i go to my spot just give you a good two seconds to kind of i'll listen for you to go click click click click a bunch of times and then i'll know it's time to start okay okay and take two they can fly it and they can fly in my second spot you can fly my second spot in for the first yeah i can i can do that or do you want me to do it twice in a row no no no no that'll work that'll work okay it's time for tech talk get your tech questions in there okay you're starting at six oh three yeah i can't split the screen because it's gonna always just be the two of you or just one okay with oh like because of that microphone source right gotcha yeah so i can add and go single uh add and go single yeah so just take your time just just be patient but when we get when you make those changes so i'll just keep it set up like that okay sure all right as long as it looks good okay i think actually yeah i think okay i'm all right okay have i been in studio folks no i know it's it's we're all trying to make a new thing work here right three cameras okay i think we're good yeah it was easier when it was all just one thing but it was complex it was easier but harder well we had to reset the show every time but i think this is it i think i because i have you all live yeah right i just have to shut you all off at every this this is still so preferable to what we used to have to figure out to get to work every week right right this is so this is this is more like twisted way you hit record and go yeah it's a little bit more straightforward right i am ready with a new video okay this thing's been backing up files of the cloud the whole show thankfully i hope it's not causing it i didn't even i didn't even notice i should quit the quit my o drive so it stops backing up another cloud yeah okay i'm ready when okay hey it's time for voiceover body shop tech talk number 88 number 88 tech talk number 88 all right let me do that one again 88 that's how i get the three right there i can't do the other kind okay whatever 88 tech talks you know a couple weeks ago we didn't we didn't have one i'm like there's like 85 of them you could watch and the information is all good so most of it's pretty evergreen stuff it is but we got lots of evergreen stuff to me you've got some new stuff i've got some new stuff the side that this the side you talking to the mic hasn't changed not at all that's a popular one yeah i mean they don't ask it but believe me it comes up it does yeah i have i have a piece of show and tell here i'll tell you about a few new things i've got about the apollo and i'll mention um clubhouse hack for getting much better audio into clubhouse for those that still like to use clubhouse on their phones all right yes we can get better audio all right get your tech questions in now so george and i can answer them we love it because this is voiceover body shop tech talk right now voiceover body shop is brought to you by voiceover essentials dot com the home of harlin hogan signature products source elements the folks who bring you source connect jmc demos when quality matters vio heroes dot com become a hero to your clients with award-winning voiceover training voice actor websites dot com where your voice actor website shouldn't be a pain in the butt voiceover extra your daily resource for voiceover success and by world voices the industry association of freelance voice talent and now here's your hosts dan and george hey there i'm dan lenard and i'm george woodham and this is voiceover body shop or vio b s tech talk tech talk tech talk tech talk tech talk all right the reason we do tech talk is because that's what george and i do it all started yeah i mean we've it's always been about talking tech but when we talk tech everybody seems to want to hear what we have to say so we said well why don't we just do a show about tech talk and that's what we do but the reason that we know so much about it is because george and i had been doing the home voiceover studio tech thing for a long time i mean we've been doing this show for 12 years but we've known each other before that and we were both doing home studio stuff before that so probably 15 years yeah so about 30 combined years of of knowledge of going into people's closets and examining people's rooms and we've been focused on it yeah and it's amazing now we knew a lot when we started but imagine how much we've learned yeah in that 15 years of us both doing this and every yard is small booths you wouldn't believe the things that we find you know i got i had one today but we'll talk about a little bit later when i'm dealing with noise reduction and stuff but if you want help with your home studio from people that actually know because there's no question about it we end up mopping up after people who you know i have a friend who's a sound engineer or they said that i should do it this way right or my buddy the voice actor says he bought this mic and it makes it sound great yeah yeah exactly and it's it's all it's all misinformation and disinformation and just outright ignorance and confusion so if you want to get help from the people that know what they're doing you can work with one of us and if you want to work with george who has lots of great services and lots of great experience where do they go you head over to george the.tech that's my home on the web and all the tech support services i offer from the soundcheck to studio design to acoustics tune-ups and processing presets and how do you audiobook master it's all on there in a menu look through there you'll might find something helpful and dan has his place on the web over at homevoiceoverstudio.com i think that says it all uh just go on over there first thing you'll see is my specimen collection cup at the top of the page which has been running over the last couple of weeks which is great people are like hey i what does my audio sound like you know i'd like to hear your raw audio because a lot of times people send here's how i process my audio and i'm like yeah turn all that stuff off you know are you booking work with that well i haven't been working well maybe you should turn some of that stuff off right so i want to hear what your audio sounds like that's going to be a big clue because in three seconds i can generally go tell what's going on in your room because there's a lot of important things that you should be doing and you'll send in your audio i will analyze it and i will tell you specifically where your short vowels are and if it sounds really good i'm going to go hey it is good how's the batting average been the last couple of weeks as far as what you get versus what needs a lot of help what what what need versus what needs a lot of help versus or what the ones you're like hey you're good everybody needs some help yeah everybody not if nothing is perfect and no and of course you can never be perfect but i will show you how to make it perfect or it's like one in five i get one in six maybe yeah where you're just like you know you're you're fine yeah you could lower this noise floor a little or you could do it but you're you're good exactly and i'm the same way and you're gonna you're gonna find that you know there's always something you can do a lot of it has to do with technique yeah it does not have a lot have a technique my my technique is very very important as i said here practicing perfect mic technique yeah i'm doing the shotgun mic technique and i'm doing the studio condenser mic technique right there's a reason we do it this way so you can see how it's supposed to be done see there you go which is why our podcast sounds like a podcast is supposed to sound as opposed to some of the podcasts that that are video shows that turn into podcasts right or our podcast done over a dining room table in a large room yeah it's like yeah i can't you know and they're 20 miles from the mic and stuff like that you know you know perhaps we need to do a tech show about podcasts if we'll do a podcast about podcast if it comes up yeah how many podcasts are there about podcasts a lot anyway so starting off with our tech report of the week george what do you got oh not a whole heck of a lot but i'll start with a little show and tell okay this is coming from a brand that you'll never see us talk about on the show and i never have on the show sterling isn't isn't that like the the brand name from from banjo Emporium we just discovered static electricity jake only didn't shut off the computer is it where jake just grabbed the doorknob and you got a heck of a spark uh this is the uh this is the sterling audio harmony h224 24 bit 192 kilohertz audio interface why did i get this uh is this camera featured now sweet um why the heck did i get this thing um well i was at there i was at a guitar center to buy something much bigger more expensive a mixer for a client and i always look to see what's in the case um because things like this don't really come up on my radar unless you physically or if you don't shop a guitar center you won't find right this is a house brand thing why did i like this thing and i'll unbox it while i tell you the first thing that caught my eye was just the the industrial design of it it just seemed like really a nice design you know what i mean like keep it simple so you know how it operates yeah it's they got away from putting all the knobs on the front here right they're on the top right so easy to see on your desktop where it's gonna be they provide for you obviously the usual two microphones with two mic gains and they give you a really nice big knob here a little reminiscent a little reminiscent of the apollo let's admit that right okay but that they give you a knob that it works a little bit like that so this knob is at either headphone level or monitors level right it does both or you can switch between the two and decide which one you're controlling so that's that's nice design right there but it still gives you proper physical gain knobs next thing is it you don't really ever use these in voiceover but it does have pads pretty unusual for an audio interface of this price these are around 150 well i paid for i paid for it out of my pocket there's 150 bucks but it's got pads on each channel and the thing that really i thought was even more cool it has high pass filters on each channel there's nothing at this price point that i'm aware of that has high pass filters right then it also has monitor control so you can adjust whether you're monitoring at all if you don't use headphones you don't need it where you can monitor mono or stereo this is just like the scarlet stuff does now and a surprise it actually has interestingly two headphone jacks it has one on the front right here and then you can set up another headphone mix at the rear because it has two sets of headphone it has two sets of line outs monitor outputs on the back so a surprising amount of features for something at this price point it has physical switches on the rear to switch between mic and line input which if you want to use an outboard mic preamp with it it seems like that will work better and interestingly it has midi not many people out there midi not many voiceover but it's there in case you want to you know noodle away with a midi keyboard between sessions so really impressive now you're all wondering well how's it sound i don't know yet i literally just unboxed it on the show so i'm going to do some tests with it plug it in do some recordings but i'm sure that unless they severely botched this thing which i seriously doubt because guitar center knows what they're doing i think it's gonna sound just as good as all the other usb interfaces out there with similar specs um i'm not julian krouse if you know who he is look him up on youtube that guy does the most elaborate videos most elaborate tech reviews of audio interfaces you've ever seen it's really geeky but anyway i'm not him i'm not going to analyze it like that i'm just going to plug it in and use it sometime and see how it sounds but anyway that's something new on the radar got meters on it and everything yeah take it feel i mean it's it just oh that's a hefty piece of equipment feels like i go flying off your desk no it's even got like a really nice big rubber huge rubber foot yeah so it's not going to slide around when you plug things into it you know what i mean i gotta i gotta give guitar center props i think it's really nicely designed and built piece of gear so next up is to actually try it out so that's one thing um i i uh i came up with a new apollo hack um universal audio polio interface um that makes it work the way it's supposed to work with zoom the way i could never get it to work with zoom the way uh you know the way they're always telling you oh install a loop back to make this thing work with zoom right it was always a hat well i finally figured out a good hack for it and rather than keeping it a secret go for it i put it right up on the uad forums website so there is a uad forums and they finally uh matt the head forum czar what's his name that's a good word the main admin over there um he finally uh was able to make me my own or make us really our own sub forum for voiceover so if you were if you were an apollo user and you want to see where i'm going to be hanging out now and answering questions it's over there at you know uad forums uad forums dot com and look for the voiceover one it's it's voiceover podcasting and live streaming that's the category and i've posted a screenshot of exactly all the settings and how to use it so what i want you to do this is your homework if you have an apollo is to give it a try do what i said try it out test it in your setup and tell me does it work for you and or does something not work that i didn't think the test or just works fine for me and not for you so please do use that forum ask questions interact i'm not putting any more time into my facebook group i want this to be in a more publicly searchable not owned by facebook property so the forum is not owned by universal audio to be clear it kind of looks like it because of the branding on it it's all sponsored by universal but it is still an independent entity so you can go on there and ask and talk about whatever you like as long as it's on topic so that's that so that that that whole new way of using the apollo that i feel like is a eureka moment after using one for 10 or 11 years almost as long as dan and i've been doing this show um i feel like i figured it out i feel like i cracked the code it sounds crazy but i feel like i cracked the code yeah so uh anyway give it a shot um lastly i just want to mention clubhouse now dan do you find that you're still wanting to check out what's happening over on the clubhouse app or is it kind of falling off your radar only if i'm asked to be on if you're invited to be on a show like jody krangles power of sound right we've been doing that like the last three months and that's fun it's a lot of fun yeah yeah you and i tend to dominate it the other guys are like i told jody i was like i apologize we've been hey we host shows what do you it's natural we know how to fill time um but uh anyway clubhouse uh if you're not aware of what it is at this point um which you know many of you may not be it's its own social media that's audio based really essentially there's no they've added in a thing called a back channel which actually is sort of a chat but it's really all about audio and it's like people are hosting radio shows call-in shows where literally anybody can call in anybody can be a host or and anybody can run one and so it's extremely democratic um as of for now there are no advertising which worries me i don't know how this company's going to stay in business uh but it's really a fantastic thing i have been tuned into it a lot when i have downtime to listen to people talk about what's going on over in iran the whole hashtag masa amini movement that's going on over there i'm not going to get into the politics of it but there's a there's been a non-stop discussion on their live of people hosting and taking questions and talking for about seven or eight days like just non-stop it's quite amazing anyway so that's what clubhouse is i'm starting to do one as well i'm going to call it the ask me anything you know once uh once a month it's going to be the second no the last tuesday of the month at three p.m that's the planned date and time anyway so that's all about clubhouse but a lot of folks want to get better audio into clubhouse i mean yeah you can just use an iphone you can just use airpods and it works and it's great like you can go like i literally went from driving in the car from a client with airpods walked in my house sat down and just kept on going and it was basically seamless right um but yes you can use clubhouse with pro audio gear there's just a few little tricks and i'll leave one or one solid one and i'll tell you where to see good because i need to know this because i had to keep doing it on my phone yeah so the the annoying thing is iphone and the way apple designs it and byron wagner did an extremely thorough job of explaining this so i'm just copying what he said um but um the problem is that the the anything that's hands-free mode like uh anything that's for for conversation phone calls clubhouse zooms anything where it's communication based not listening to music the phone switches modes into hands-free mode essentially not every device can be detected as a hands-free device that's the problem right so um the trick is what byron said is you need to find devices and adapters that have mfi as part of the naming on the box or branding which really means made for iphone our ipad or made for ios basically mfi you need to have that capability in the product even if the product still records and works if you don't see that logo it may not work as a hands-free device that's one thing two the universal adapter that will guarantee to get audio in and out is those little tiny headphone doggily things that iphone gave you the first the first year they took away the headphone jack they gave you these little adapters right they didn't give them to you that you had to go and buy them not even the very first generation they didn't give it to you i know my wife is like hey i i can't listen i can't charge my phone and listen to it at the same time that's true that is so you had to have that little dongle yeah so anyway they still sell them for ten bucks now you can get a better quality one but anyway what it does now is basically it gives you your headset jack back once you have that headset jack all you have to do is have the right cables and adapters to get audio in and out of that little jack and it's called a trrs connector tip ring ring sleeve so um there's a lot more to it i don't want to take away too much time from the show i suggest you jump over to my instagram george the tech and watch the video i posted on friday and i still show and tell of several different methods you can use a sentrance portcaster for example for the for the premium experience a roadcaster pro which has a trrs jack on it i the irig kind of went through a range of different adapters and and techniques that you can use but um i'll try to remember that next month when we're on with jody and yeah i've been putting more and more on instagram it's got a little gets a little more engagement it's a little more people gets people commenting and i would have shown it on the show it's just it's literally it's vertical it would have looked really dumb on youtube it's a vertical format but uh you can go check it out and get some more detail about how how that all might work for you great awesome that's it does it for me now we're talking noise reduction yeah because i got an email this morning from somebody who says i'm brand new with voiceover uh but i have tried everything i live in a 500 square foot apartment and there's an air conditioner i have no control over it's noisy there are other noises in there and i've gone into a closet it still isn't very good yeah what do i do and i'm like while you have essentially two maybe three options number one you live where you choose to live you can move yeah nobody likes to hear that one no nobody likes to hear i like where i live well if you want to be a voice actor you know if you're in the landing path of bob hope airport that's a problem the recording studios here in studio city didn't choose to put bob hope airport there no they did not no they went there but they also have very expensive studios that are floated million plus multi-million you know or almost a million i'm sure to make them to make them the way they sound the way they sound well we've been pronsky's garage that was not a million dollar project but it was you know a percentage of a hundred thousand i can tell you that watch watch that episode that was that was very revealing that's what it takes to get quiet but he was trying i think the mistake is always looking at oh i can put up blankets i can put up foam it's soundproofing blankets and foam it's not guys branded on ebay and yeah and they are not soundproofing blankets they are sound absorption and diffusion devices that prevent reflection i think we say this like every week sure but needs to be the bear is repeating there is the soundproofing and sound treatment are not the same they are completely different concepts but you gotta have both yeah one of the things he said i try to chaotic eyeball not that i want to promote the chaotic chaotic eyeball because i don't it sucks they consume me it just doesn't work it's not designed for voice over if you want to if you want to chaotic eyeball because i think they gave more away than they than they did uh you know then actually sold them although some people bought them great for volleyball at a voice over conference but not but not for doing it you know and then uncle roy was like well if you shove bagels in it that helps a whole lot too you know first it was you know sweat socks then i'm like oh let's try bagels bagels you know i guess they worked a little bit better diffusers yeah it need none of these things prevent noise from the outside from reaching mr microphone and therefore or mrs microphone or ms microphone i don't want to be sexist about it that's right um but as look you could move you could build something but you have to use the right materials you have to use good construction technique and chances are since you don't understand what it is that prevents sound you're in big big doo doo anyway okay so the last thing is noise reduction strategies right most programs digital digital digital noise noise reduction i end up doing this a lot with podcasts because people have no idea what they're doing yeah podcasts it's it's a matter of simply you know you know can you remove the sound of a fire engine can and police cars going by and the traffic on fifth avenue because they live in a midtown i'm like you don't do that but if you do they send the stuff to me and i gotta clean it up and it takes a lot of time and effort you have to know how to use these noise reduction things now in twisted wave you also need to be able to hear the destruction that they cause exactly when used incorrectly right they have to be set perfectly and you have to have a noise floor you know we set that standard of at least below minus 55 to minus 60 to make something seamless in the way you use noise reduction you know i've i've seen a lot of people using noise gates lately and you know early on we would say yeah use a noise gate but it has to be seamless using the right if you use the thing like in twisted wave or adobe audition or even audacity has this now they're better than they used to be you mean the noise reduction the thing where you highlight right you highlight room create a a a noise print a noise profile right profile yeah and then apply to the entire file yep it does a pretty good job but if you're auditioning for a commercial there ain't a producer out there that wants to hear any of that and then they they know what it sounds like oh like unless you use a very like five percent reduction they're gonna they're gonna hear they know exactly yeah so move find a better place to live or get alone or get alone and and build the thing is is you don't get a booth if you're just starting out yeah and if you're just starting out in your noisy place i also suggested perhaps you have some voiceover friends nearby who have a better facility and perhaps you could borrow that until you make some money and then you can move listen here's the guy here's the thing guys i just acquired a voiceover booth of my own i know it sounds crazy but i just now finally have it and i'm not telling you where i live and um my daughter you know i've always thought maybe you should get my kid into voiceover right duh right yeah i've heard about but you know but it wasn't until i had the the proper space to do it a booth in my apartment in my office that i had that confidence that i can put her in there put the mic up of course i know what i'm doing it's my job right but i didn't have the confidence in getting great sounding audio consistently until i had that in my studio i made that investment and put it in there and um yeah the better you are in voiceover or the more let's just say the more in demand you are the more you can get away with things so the more the more famous you are or the more high up the food chain you are you can get away with a lot right right but when you're trying to get started they're judging you about sound quality the first two seconds of the audio before they judge that you're acting is how do you how do you actually sound you don't want the sound the quality of your sound to distract from your performance yeah you don't want that to be the reason that you don't get hired right weeded out for sound quality exactly yeah all right well i could demonstrate some of this stuff but just go through the menus and and try it out and see if that works and listen listen listen use headphones good headphones listen to the dry audio listen to the processed audio listen to what was there before what's gone now exactly and if it ain't just the noise but it's also some of the frequencies of your voice or you sound slightly robotic or unnatural go back and try again undo and turn it down undo and test again you know wet dry you know that's yeah if it's got a blend control or if it's got a percentage or anything go lower even try a second pass i've heard that can work well i've done less but double double it up so use your ears sometimes three times use your ears everybody once you like compress it and you know and all those sorts of things well now the noise is louder well now i gotta take that out just record it right the first place anyway we're gonna take a break and we got a pile of questions that we want to answer so it's time for a lightning round so we'll be right back here on voiceover body shop tech talk don't go away this is ariana rattner and you're enjoying voiceover body shop with dan lennard and george witem v obs dot tv headphones for voiceover why not get the headphones made for voiceover that's why i use harlin hogan's signature series voice optimized headphones 2.0 from voiceover essentials dot com harlin's cans are incredibly strong and lightweight at only 8.4 ounces the combination straight coiled audio cable stretches 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the videos spend some time and then when you're ready subscribe or pay for your license outright and own it for life you can do that right over at source dash elements dot com we'll be right back well hello there i bet you weren't expecting to hear some big voiced announcer guy on your new orientation training for snapchat were you this is virgin radio well okay we're not that innocent there's jeans for wearing and there's jeans for working dickies because i ain't here to look pretty she's a champion of progressive values a leader for california and a voice for america it's smart it's a phone it's a smart phone but it's so much more it's a the files are ready don't forget to pick up the eggs what time is hockey practice check out this song it's the end of the road for rent when hope is lost the i8 from bmw who said saving the planet couldn't be stylish hey it's j michael collins bet you think i'm gonna try and sell you a demo now uh i think they speak for themselves but i will give you my email it's j michael at jmc voiceover dot com now if they will stop waxing this mustache for a minute we'll get back to the show before time began there was v obs dot tv watch or else well now i'm totally intimidated anyway we have a pile of really good questions here we live for this every two weeks we get together just to answer these questions so let's get work on them let's get to it and and our first question is from our actual chat room monitor who always has good questions because he's which is why he hangs out with us because he figures by osmosis he's going to learn all this stuff and he's got control baby so he put at the top of bold bold types is what is the best position for a shotgun mic to reduce mouth noise what are the three best positions for a shotgun mic your shotgun mic yours right here that's actually my shotgun mic because this is my studio and that's i didn't bring four sixteen eight didn't bring his george looks to be at a much deeper angle than in your home studio and in front of you rather than coming from the side well this is how george and i use a four sixteen that's the proper way describe how you do this so there's no mouth noise or no right well it i think it reduces well pops are no problem because the plops pops go straight or kind of go down so you're not going to pop the mic like this um in terms of distance from the mic you know dan and i are getting to work longer distances like you would have more like in a pro commercial studio for a good reason dan's got a 10 foot vaulted ceiling in here right right we have a large high ceiling above us it's highly treated with acoustical clouds and we're seated so we're not even close to the ceiling that allows me to have the mic way up here which looks face a lot better on camera right which is what it's designed for by the way yeah it's an on-camera mic you want to get warmer then you can choke up on the mic and it's going to get a bit warmer and more present sounding but we don't need to hear too much that could almost be too much so um yeah so in terms of its position its angle is uh you know it's 60 degrees maybe it's a pretty steep angle um but i also did this because i wanted to be able to move around a little bit more um you know when you're doing vo you're you're kind of locked on your script and here i'm like looking at this camera i'm looking at my laptop i'm looking at dan so i'm moving all over the place so i'm choosing a little bit steeper angle that prevents me from moving off mic too much that's you're wondering why i'm doing it that way that's why um and you mentioned there are what are three best positions for a shock i'm like well i guess this is number one um number two might be uh if you're in a small space and you want to the camera you still have a webcam and you don't want the mic blocking the camera then maybe more like over here similar thing coming at you from 45 to the horizontal 45 to the what axis is that left or right to the left or right um is is another good position the third a third position i don't know i guess if you want to sound announcer-y maybe you come more directly in and you use a pop screen yeah maybe maybe you get it in tighter and get and to get that really announcer voice of authority whatever kind of of sound right yeah it's it's a great versatile mic because one has great side rejection in a very narrow pickup pattern which can save you if you're in a marginal place and instead of moving get a 416 which is about two months right or in la a half year rent yes it's about right third yeah yeah but the thing is is if you're doing like promo type stuff you that it was people just you know jock's discovery you can talk straight into it and it makes you sound really great yeah you still never really want to do you never really want to do right at the microphone because that will magnify mouth noise and make plosives a nightmare right and then of course it has that foam sleeve that you can put on it which is essentially for outside it's really yeah it's really meant to be used in and reduce it i know another reason is when screens are used is for boom operating when they actually swing the boom from actor to actor they need that on there so you don't literally hear swing the boom around i've got these covers one looks like a blimp and then when they call a cat you know when they call it a dead cat oh a dead cat that's what it's called sorry yeah sorry cats we love cats uh tom mation has a question go for it all right considering it is a business where do you place your very limited energies for an audition when you're all you and you're ill and have no energy this is especially important when your agent says uh you're in the top two already this may have been directed to our guest last week but you can certainly speak to this uh where do you place your very limited energies for an audition when you are ill or have no energy oof i've done it well i think any pro does it at some point right i mean you know heck i had covid but i was able to you know you learn to control your voice and you know what your limitations are and use it as little as you can and you use it as as little as possible fortunately when i got it it was just you know in my septum and you know it may be a little more raspy but it didn't get into my vocal cords if it gets into your vocal cords you really are out of business yeah i mean there are some people that can you know they can they can pull it off but generally if you if it gets into your vocal cords and you start getting swollen vocal cords you can't reproduce that later on as an audition so you know if you're doing audiobooks get away to your better you can't you can't do it differently so i would highly suggest if you're sick and it gets into your vocal cords it's like you'll have to excuse me for a bit it's in my vocal cords yeah you do not want to hear me like this yeah and you just have to be honest about it and if you get sick i people need to get past the idea of well if i can't do it somebody else is going to do it and they're always going to get the job and i'm out you can't think like that yeah everybody gets sick therefore just learn to relax about it and not fret about it you're sick you're off you're you're on vacation from getting a forced vacation you're getting forced vocal rest right okay terry briscoe asks is there a way to make my basement ceiling more sound deafening without tearing out the drywall sound deafening oh so preventing sound from getting let's assume it means deadening deadening all right thanks that's why i think so all right how do you get rid of uh sound sound deadening so when you're in the basement what do you hear in the basement furnace toilets flushing yeah every every all the mechanicals are down there well what do you hear upstairs footsteps right footsteps footfall especially people wearing bestowed clogs and stuff like that okay remember bestowed clogs yes uh i don't but uh yeah i can imagine even regular shoes sound pretty bad through a floor um i hate to tell you terry that that is definitely one of the most expensive and challenging things to eliminate is footfall noise from upstairs is quite difficult and requires absolutely tearing out the drywall i hate to tell you i'm putting in what in putting in a uh a whole plethora of things layers of insulation with mlv and then another layer of mlv and mass loaded vinyl sorry i'm using too much jargon mass loaded vinyl and then some iso and then you tape that off and make it airtight so you have an airtight membrane and then you add some isolation clips and then you put in your hat channel and then you put on a layer of drywall and then you put on another layer of drywall and when you do all that right you will get rid of it mostly or you move or you move or you have to or you go to a different part of the house different part of the basement right i have a client who's moving to a new home it's a big rancher with a huge basement oh fabulous and uh he was like i want to be here and i said well what's right above you if you're here and he's like oh that's the that's the master bathroom upstairs i'm like okay that could be a little bit noisy at times how about if you're over that corner way over there oh i didn't think of that well what's under that corner that's the master bedroom gonna be pretty quiet when you're in your studio that's carpeting and right they're not gonna be much going on up there right so um yeah so that's the kind of things you think about when you're but yeah tearing out the drywall i hate to tell you that is definitely part of the plan if you got severe upstairs noise all right all right this next question is a question for george because i could care less because i i can hear the difference but i don't think there's a difference well i'll tell you what the difference is okay but let's ask the question okay grace at newton asks what is the difference between the bear dynamic dt 990 pro and the dt 770 pro headphones why would there be a 20 point difference between the two yeah right or uh the difference is the design one is what's called a closed back headphone that's the 770 and those happen to be one of my favorites and i've been using them for 25 years almost and then the 990 is what's called an open back headphone and you might look at the two next to each other in pictures and go wait a minute they look almost the same um but the 770 has a hard plastic shell on the back the 990 actually has like a vents like a there's venting or screen right that the sound can pass through and those that prefer open back find that they they feel that they're more natural sounding or more real sounding um but the downside is that the sound does actually leak out so you don't want to use them for voiceover directed sessions like if you're doing source connects and things like this that would be bad because that they'll actually hear them talking to you and playing your themselves and then they'll hear that leaking out and going right back into the microphone so that's bad but for just monitoring listening playing back or just enjoying great sounding classical music the open back is a more theoretically accurate sound i'm very used to closed back i've grown used to them that's all i've used because that's all it's been really practical and here's a couple options where's the harlan the harlan hogan headphones are closed back right and they and they sound great for good reason and they're and they're very flat which means you know they're not the response is going to be hyped or bass heavy or whatever it's what you sound like which is really why you want those audio tehnica for these are 40s h 40s and um they are very again very similar in terms of not hyped up too much in any one frequency um but uh that is the difference all righty uh terry briscoe asks what are your thoughts on the dts mic 2 uh i don't have any yet because i haven't used it or the guy that runs that company is a unique gentleman i met him at a podcast convention he was he's the ceo the designer of the mics he does all of his own youtube videos he's he's he's he's an enthusiastic fellow knowledgeable and uh and makes a very affordable product um but i haven't been able to do real proper real world tests where i compare these uh with with other tools so i i don't want to answer without having tried the mic and i myself didn't we test one once i feel like we did yeah i'll have to go back and that's one of the earlier episodes but second part of the question if you're then it seems to be a non sequitur question because if you're using proper mic technique do you need a high pass filter well one doesn't have to generally do with the other yeah well yeah some people use a high pass filter to reduce the pickup of plosives right which is fixed with better mic technique i guess right but the main reason we use high pass filter is so the mic doesn't pick up all that rumbling rumbling which is a little in your house in your apartment in your environment it's always there and if it's below the frequency of your voice then you can use a high pass filter it's the residual radiation from the big bang is that what it is no it's just always there and you can't stop it let's just put it that way it's just always there so that's that's why they're for billions and billions of years yeah so mic technique is part of the equation but really it's not about mic technique it's just correcting that that background right noise low frequency noise level stuff okay you get the question from john o'rourke okay um when you have a booth made of pvc and studio blankets is it still a good idea to add more absorption panels and if so how would you do it well it depends yeah it kind of depends on the quality and the type of studio blankets you're using some of them maybe a little more reflective than others some of them are very thin so they don't do a great job on their own um the producer's choice blankets and the blankets that we happen to use for a tri booth uh the tri booth studios are very very absorbing and very dense so we don't need to add anything um but yeah you may find that you're in your case adding a good quality absorber over top like a orlex foam panel or something like that will will increase the the result or increase the overall sound result from the recording and the thing is if you have a booth like that and you want to know if it's enough send us a sample and get a sound check do a sound check with george do my specimen collection cup let us listen because we know what it's supposed to sound like yeah that's how you're gonna know because if you don't know then you don't know enough about your own sound to make that judgment you need someone else to help you do that and right that's what we do that's what we do uh okay have we tested the logitech blue sona thomas evinger asks that i know i i think you mentioned it once it's like a a joint project between logitech you know webcams and blue microphones yeah apparently the joint part is logitech bought blue that would explain it so i knew isn't that's what i heard yeah i just heard that um yeah no i i checked it out there's they've sprayed them across the youtuber verse so there's a bunch of youtubers using them already and it sounds pretty darn good um it's a dynamic mic that has phantom power that's its little that's its little thing um it looks cool looks cute kind of looks like a very space-aged version of an sm7b it has a big like yoke that it hangs from and you can twist it or you can aim it um i but yeah i don't remember on more distinctive details about it but i haven't tried it and the whole idea about it being a dynamic mic is it's designed for a more of a voice and more of a broadcast podcast situation right so it was intended to be used right up like this to get that broadcast sound but it's dynamic so it's not as sibilant and mouth noise sensitive as a microphone like this and our guest tonight is we're going to be talking with yeah it's you can hear aesthetically the difference right and that's eating the mic versus getting a natural sound don't eat the mic unless the specs say eat the mic and i've never seen that yeah yeah no well maybe one of them will end up uh coming across our desks one of these days here's an interesting question from jonathan grant he's his heads up and a repetitive problem focus right scarlet two i two with a mac okay when the system sleeps the two i two receives lower power that's right with only the 48 volt uh light lit all right so the phantom power is on system wakes and the power levels are restored and all selected lights are lit okay however the buttons on the two i two are unresponsive and noise is introduced into the recording unplug and reset the two i two and the problem is solved problem solved oh there's more only solution is to allow the monitor to sleep but not the mac it sucks and i want to upgrade but to what ssl2 i don't know if that problem will go away with the ssl2 but i haven't tested it i had not either you know reason why i haven't tested it because i tell literally every single voiceover actor who was listening to me to disable sleep i know you don't want to hear that but that's the case anything that's usp powered all has the same suffers a similar fate the the voltage drops or not find a voltage maybe the amperage current drops going out to the device the device goes freaks out for a while and then when power comes back it goes bananas um so i i don't know if the ssl2 would be affected by that that that fate or not i haven't played with it but yet this is this has been a problem is as long as usb audio devices have existed um sleep causes lots of trouble so yeah just sleep your displays if you're on a mac if you're really about being conservative on your power usage and you have an m1 or any of the new silicon mac don't even worry about it those computers when they're working they're damnedest use 10 watts 10 watts my mac mini at full blast is 10 watts right and of course you could at least turn your computer off yes you could turn your computer off which will totally reset everything i never do that i never do either i leave it on all the time my mac mini has been on for like years and since i bought when things go weird we restart our computers right but um no i i tend to leave it on because i want to sit down and be right at work i i'm impatient and i walk down sit down and walk in sit down i want it to be ready um but yeah i just don't sleep and um if you do get an ssl2 which you should just get one anyway because it's just better than the scarlet um let us know yeah i had a situation with an ssl2 last week a young lady has wires had been drawn underneath the floorboards and you know she went from assure you know smu to whatever that thing was and got an ssl2 went through two hubs and then was wondering why it was skipping oh yeah where were we getting dropouts the more it extended and goes through hubs the more so yeah you need it the ssl2 runs off a usbc uh you know double male connection and that's what you got to use and you can't go terribly far maybe 10 feet well we found i we found a cable it was 20 feet and once we plugged that in that was work great oh good but we couldn't get it under the floor and she didn't want it going under the rug and you know that's what we did is we got a line with a an adapter that ran about 50 feet still work a line with an adapter yeah so apparently there's enough juice that runs through the five watts that that thing will send out over usbc and it powered the ssl2 so it was an extender with a power supply an act we call it an active extender i guess right but it wasn't the only power was coming from the computer no kidding so it was an active extender that didn't require an external power supply jeez it's like getting power from nowhere i know that's amazing technology but it worked awesome i'm like i'm a genius i just gotta make it longer i'm like i'm like i'm gonna solve this well let's try this it works fabulous now we gotta go into uh lighten and round are there more questions oh three more i'll do the rich and you do the dave and okay well rich is just like phrasing us and bowing down and thank you rich i got to meet rich in person at the biker wave my bike co-op last week when he was visiting with his daughter it was a brief meeting it was very quick but i got to see him which was really awesome it was nice seeing you in 3d rich yes dave says uh hey george and me because i got opinions on this too uh can you comment again on the sm7b and vo saw a discussion in another venue and some were swearing by it i bit my tongue i usually swear at it i just got done talking about this okay i've been using an nt1 for an audiobook after about 15 minutes the noise the noise appears the king of rumble or lifting noise floor from minus 68 to minus 55 is the capsule going bad well we'll take the first part okay the sm7b oh i'm gonna repeat what i just said it's a voice it's a broadcasting podcasting mic right it's designed for a diff different aesthetic audible audio aesthetic right is there a word for that yes it's just a different aesthetic right well and it's for broadcast sound right and the reason that they use them in broadcast studios is because broadcast studios generally suck acoustically they used to be really awful pretty much and they wanted the jocks and the talent to just shove it in front of their face and pretty much that was how they use those microphones that's not voiceover because we don't talk to people an inch from their eardrum we don't it doesn't sound natural which is why we do you know i've come down to the three things fist thumbs up and mahalo right one of these one of these three is the distance from the right so you practice those and maintain that once you find the sweet spot with your microphone but the sm7b a lot of singers you're using it because it can handle a lot of spl you can sound pressure levels for those of you you know not good on acronyms yeah um they're designed for loudness yeah and therefore if someone is singing you don't have to add as much game to it right which allows for you know not having as much background noise or electronically induced background now the noise issue with the s nt1 i don't know what's going on i've never heard of nt1 getting noisy after 15 minutes it's an incredibly quiet mic so check your interface first because if you're an appage if you're an apollo this is actually notorious for this um but yeah i'm not aware of that one so check check your switch your interface first if it still happens then it's the mic or change the mic yeah then change all the cheap stuff first then uh then then swine if you've narrowed it down to the mic then send it back to road and let them replace it because they're really awesome at supporting their stuff all right here's a great question because i've done this one and you probably are going to do it in your new studio bricks what's the best way to illuminate one's booth i hung my cloud which i told her to do and which covers the overhead light in the w y tends to do that doesn't it right i you know that one of the things you can do now i could demonstrate here but then you'll be into the bright studio lights we have in here but i got some led lights and i put them on top of the panels and it can change colors and it will illuminate yeah and you go to the hardware store you get this little three dollar adapter it threads into the socket right and it gives you an actual plug right and you plug your led light thing into that thing and then now when you turn on the wall switch the uh led lights light up on top or a battery-powered book light yeah or you can just eliminate that all together just use a of spot a book light right it doesn't make any noise just runs on batteries just depends on how much light 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