 and it's before we start. Okay, I guess that's probably as good as it's gonna get it. Oh, you can still try it. Doing without technical issues is a myth. Yeah. I'll also try doing computer audio in the meantime, because I started 10.45, right? Yeah. Okay, cool. So yeah, you can share screen the computer audio and see how that goes through. All right, cool. Through a video of a past performance time, people do that if the microphone is having an issue. Okay, all right, cool. All right. And also you can DM any of us if you have links or if there's anything else. And that goes for everyone else also in the chat. Like if there's any audio issues or anything, DM one of us and then, yeah. Oh, Henry. He is here, hello. Hello. Hi, welcome. Okay, just to check in. We were live, right? But we're not started yet. So Henry, did you need to test anything? Oh yeah, let me test this sound. I forgot to do the sound check. Let me test this out. Beautiful. This sound playing. Oh, is it? Oh. That didn't... Let's try again. I'll share the sound I forgot. Is it playing? I heard sound, but it wasn't clear. Like it didn't sound like typical screen audio. Yeah, I don't know this sound. Yeah. Okay, well then it's good. Yeah. So that note, I guess, Kate, how do you... I think we're ready. I think we're ready, yeah. Right? Hope, do you want to take it away as monitor and first presenter? I got it. Am I loud enough? Everyone can hear me? Hi. Hi everybody, welcome to the fourth session of HLCI 2022. Prior to this, we had sessions on identity, sessions on education and voice. And now today to end it off, we are doing embodiment and movement. And today we're gonna explore once again, live coding beyond the screen. So today we are gonna go into the performance, what goes into mind and talk about how the human body is not neglected while coding. And yeah, and to start it off, I'm gonna do a little live coding body piece. So if everyone goes and think of it like, you know when you're usually in an in-person thing, we usually stretch around while a long day. So it's gonna be like a live coded, like be in tune in our body, which goes well with the concept. So let me just switch my screens. First, what we're gonna do while you hear the sound is just let that slow tempo that you're hearing control the move. Maybe you might wanna move your hand. Maybe you want to move your head. Maybe you want to just close your eyes and let the rhythm control. Whatever your body is telling, this is what the music is selling. Maybe it's flowing to the rhythm of your heart beats. Maybe you are flowing as this is giving you a nice, rhythmic tick. Treat. Maybe it's reminiscent of how the blurs just fly or how the words that I'm saying are rhyming with a particular movement. Let's just go with how slow and how it flows with the code. Gradually picking up pace. Maybe you might feel like with your hands you shall play or with your body have a little tempo, a little bit of sway. Maybe now your heart is beating a bit louder. Maybe now the toss that you had in your head are making you wonder. Wander on the ponder. Wander while your soul is wandering and your mind is thinking and maybe your eyes stop blinking or maybe they are kicking and blinking. Boxing. Boxing. maybe your heart is rolling maybe your mind is folding so let's let's enjoy a little mimic as you can see maybe we need to stretch maybe we have to see what's inside our body bodies and how to connect maybe with our breasts we can just do what this cube is doing and stretch in and breed in stretch out roll out maybe we need maybe we have a little tension on our necks maybe we have a little crack in our shoulder maybe we just got to get it loose or maybe some cases get it tight because loosening everything is not going to make the sky so bright maybe sometimes we just got to listen and maybe that it's just what makes things right just like this image just like this box it transforms it morphs there could be a lag there could be just a moment that things just stay just like the code says now just a kind of blur there's a blur that goes with the movement with the motion is this countering or engaging with what you're feeling your emotion do you feel like you need some tauts to just evaporate or is it just tauts that linger is there more that's happening with this motion is it the lingering or is it that the code that I type with my fingers let these be some moments of reflections while we go through movement and all its introspection all the nature where we practice things from consent to respect and maybe then we can see how it's truly becomes a moment to reflect and inspect and that's how we're starting off some just words some randomness because that is true embodiment at times just being random just listening to ourselves so without further ado let's start with the first presentation Sabrina if you are ready to go it is your time hi everyone hi my name is Sabrina Sims my pronouns are she her my presentation today is my presentation slash talk is today is going to be about emotional body circuits so I got I started thinking about this concept because last year is when I really got into performing with my synthesizer so I actually have a right here this is my micro freak and I really like it because it has the it has a lot of like fine tuning and you know the keyboard is like actually a PCB so it's touch sensitive and I think you know what really made me you know developed idea of body circuits is that I noticed that when I you know play my synthesizer I can actually feel like the electric I can feel like the electricity and the keys which is like pretty cool I can like feel you know the flow of it it kind of registers as like vibration to me and as I started getting into performing I also noticed that like you know playing my synthesizer has like a really tactile emotional element to it and it's like definitely allowed me to be more in tune with my body especially in the context of playing because like I remember my first performance which was actually almost exactly a year ago I like was like dripping with sweat and I was like anxious and panicking and I think that's like you know pretty much like most people that perform experience that but as time went on like I noticed that like the first thing I would do when I performed is like try and ground into my body so you know I would like try and like take a deep breath and like you know figure out where I was in like space and you know also like I would also try and connect with how the audience felt so as I play my synthesizer you know the music would change how I felt and also felt like it would change how the audience felt too so in that way you know playing music becomes like an emotional circuit and you know all of us like you know inhabit a body so it becomes a body circuit and I also like connected that to you know like you know getting acupuncture too because I like I go to acupuncture as a treatment for like a chronic illness I have and you know the basically it's about like you know bringing your body into harmony and I feel like also like music is bringing your body into like harmony and like kind of like a flow and like you know trying to like basically like re-sense yourself and like you know kind of like work through like any like you know maybe like tactile feelings you have or you know just kind of like you know move through any kind of thing you're experiencing so yeah I'm just gonna like play my synthesizer for like a minute and hopefully you can hear like the audio I was less than a minute but basically I want to explain that like when I was doing that you know I was actually like you know consciously trying to see like how I can like move my body and like expand like the range I have and I also really like felt the kind of like you know heavy like electricity of it so yeah if anyone has any like questions for me or like thoughts I'd love to hear them Kate has a question Melody has a question so I will let them start cool Kate if you want to chime in you can unmute yourself an extra question oh you're just clapping they're clapping so if we don't I would like to like ask one question but you sort of were explaining it because I noticed when you were performing you really were opening up your body you know like it was evident that you were checking your lows going with the highs and then even your eyes were moving a bit up and all that so would you say that while you're performing your body tries to open up space and do you know if it's like are you trying to go to any particular direction um yeah thanks for that observation yeah I was like definitely trying to like I feel like to me when I play like I kind of have some sort of like synesthesia with it so it's like if people aren't familiar with like synesthesia it's basically like one sense like turns into something that's like more abstract so to me like it kind of like feels like I can like feel like the energy almost so I was like trying to like manipulate that and like I was trying to like move the sound around from like something heavy to something more light so yeah so when it's light would that be when you're moving upwards you would say or yeah definitely yeah even like with the actual keys I was like when I was like trying to light it up I was going higher and my like on my keyboard and if we don't have any other one I will just keep asking another question because I am very interested on this circuit right because you know circuits like turning switching on and switching off and then you're saying when you're moving up it's light and when you're moving down it's heavy do you have a particular sequence or choreography in mind like do you prefer start in light or do you prefer start in heavy I think um for me I think it's honestly like the mood I'm in when I'm performing because like I noticed that like even when I'm like you know in a bad mood and I start performing I try and like you know make the music so it'll like kind of like you know uplift me even um and yeah but I feel like I try and start in like a middle area if I don't have like a particular thing I'm trying to experience because like I think what my favorite thing to do is like a perform in an audience member is to like kind of like challenge the expectations and of like an audience so it's like if they're expecting like you know super serious performance like I try and make it you know fun and like really like engaging but it's also if like the mood is heavy you know like I'll like go with that too so yeah it's like I most of my sets are like you know almost you know 90% improvised so it's just like you know trying to like be in tune with you know like all of our experiences that that that that works it's like really evident like I can see that you do enjoy it and all that so that was great thanks and yeah and then stick around because you know there is a group Q&A so there might be interesting conversations for mutters and once again lovely piece thank you yeah I'm so glad to do this and like it was it was it's definitely great to see all like a lot of people I know and people I don't know here so yes I'm really happy about this thank you thank you thank you and now we have snow so snow if you are ready you can begin hey let me share my screen hey I'm snow I am someone who likes to code and make things and make things with code and today I'm gonna be talking about live code as a practice of re-relating to computers so how can re-relating to computers help help us better meet each other where we need to be met so I came to thinking about this after kind of reflecting on how my relationships with computers shape my other relationships and specifically thinking about like in what ways have the expectations I have for a human to computer interaction affected my expectations for interactions with like living beings human and non-human alike so I had a lot of thoughts around this and I put them into like these three groups speed trust and touch so each of these is like a way in which computers have influenced how I move through the world so like with regards to speed I have noticed that I like move with a lot more immediacy and expect myself to like respond a lot quicker and expect other people to respond quicker and not necessarily in a way that's like natural with regards to trust I think that I have like a lot of distrust around computers and especially around what I don't know with regards to computers and I trace a lot of this back to the materiality of computers and like these technologies that are like the cost of them is like so high and they're hard to access because of that and it's like what is the cost of accessing them what is the cost of misusing them of breaking them and then having to repair them and all of that causes me to really doubt my knowledge of computers and this like distrust in what I know like deeply restricts how I can interact with the computer and also it's a mentality that I then carry with me when approaching like other things that I don't know outside of computers and then thinking about touch I think that I'm not alone in saying like I experience a disconnect from like physical touch and like the heaviness of an action because like not like seeing the lasting impact of the interaction that I have with the computer has really like distorted how I understand permanence in the world and I think that this is really dangerous because like the ways in which I interact with my computer affect virtual space but they also directly and often violently will impact our like shared physical space and that happens in like highly in in highly unequal ways as well so like that's really dangerous to like be numb to that and so like I lay out these things to showcase that like computers are shaping how I am able to imagine and cultivate relationships with the living world in short I form ecosystems with computers so with this in mind how can I tend to computers how as I might a garden or any green or brown space that I care for and how can re-relating to computers like this make space for more nourishing relationships between myself and all living things so I'm trying to manifest new relationships with computers that are slowed fleshy and playful and I think slowed and playful are pretty self explanatory but when I say fleshy I mean developing some sort of instinctive knowledge of like the fingerprint of an interaction with the computer and I came to these manifestations after like like believing that computers can be these like connective tools like they oscillate between like pulling me away from the world and like pushing me closer to the world but as it stands with my relationship to computers like I often feel a loss of agency in that oscillation so I think these manifestations I came up with them to help me regain some of that agency so live coding is one way that I get to live out these manifestations and begin to re-relate to my computer and like revisiting these three groups speed trust in touch with regards to like speed when I'm live coding I feel like I have like all the time in the world because I'm not trying to get to a specific destination or like arrive anywhere in particular I'm just like giving myself room to be like curious with the computer and like be exploratory and there truly is no rush with regards to like trust this is probably the biggest one for me because I feel like I can reframe the things that I don't know around a computer as like an opportunity to come to knowledge in my own terms and I see that like using something outside of its intended purpose isn't necessarily like bad or like isn't like it's like an opportunity it can be like very like generative and then like with regards to touch like when I'm live coding I experience like my computer is like alive it's like speaking it's listening it's responding it's loud it's hot and we like synchronize with each other and so in conclusion live coding is a generative process grounded in unknowing it is a space for childlike wonder it is caring for hardware and software as a garden so when I think about like a garden I think of like a space that I have knowledge of but really I don't have knowledge of in the greater sense like there are so many processes going on in a garden that I will never be able to see or like be really aware of but I can still like care for the space and like be curious in this space and that's really how I feel about live coding as well thank you that was that was great snow that was great if there are any questions please write them in the chat and I will start off by asking two questions that I have in mind I was really struck when you said fleshy and trust because you also mentioned how you're caring for it as a garden but also if you're mentioning the word trust and fleshy that means that you could could it also be that you considered a computer an extension of your body and mind because like the word flesh or yeah yeah I definitely um yeah that's something I definitely think about I think like one thing I've been thinking about is like if we can expand like like we have hardware and we have software but like what if we had something like heavy wear where it's like we could really feel like the heaviness of our like movement with a computer and like think about like we could feel like the weight of our actions with a computer in the same way that we feel like the weight of our actions as we move our bodies Melody has a question I'm curious if you could share references for your philosophies like any people methodologies experiences that have shaped your ideas um hmm I'm extremely inspired by um Alice Yuan Zheng um they yeah they're like one of my greatest inspirations in terms of how they come to technology and tie it into like ecology and it's great that you went with ecology because the next question from alex says lovely talk with gardening I think it's nice to also think about wetter that the garden is like a performance responding to wetter can you relate to that hmm that's so interesting I haven't really thought about that but I want to think more about that now yeah I think low key you are though because listening to it because like I said because you know when you were talking about heavy wear wouldn't the heavy wear be what you are emoting because you did mention that when you're life coding you have the power to reframe so so like you know like when you're watching marvel the mutant storm can control or manipulate the weather wouldn't you say that you are trying to do that with life coding in a way yeah I guess um I haven't given it that language yet but I think a lot of live coding is about for me about like building synchronicity with like the things around me and like if if computers are like a big part of my ecosystem like I'm interacting with them pretty intimately um then it's about building like them pulling them into that synchronicity as well once again great talk nice equal system thank you and there will be a group Q&A afterwards so yes and next would be Henry Henry if you are ready yeah okay hello I'm Henry and my talk is about a piece I did actually last year like about this time and it's called Henrypedia and I want to talk about like how we do live performance through motion capture 3d scan and game engine let's get it started so the concept I like before this performance I never do performance because I feel a lot of performance it's like about yourself and as an artist I don't really want to talk about myself even though like art is a lot of time is about myself so with this like live performance I really want to like just play and think about play with myself and think about collection I'm very interesting like data collection so I'm interesting like how we can archive ourselves personal history and just like perform and also think about like large and think about like how using like this media technology to perform and so I will show the performance demo we did last year for one minute so I don't know I don't really like the pressure myself myself yep so I want to talk about the process so last year took a class and that class gave us an opportunity to go to my cpd 3d scan which is like a scanning space that you can 3d scan your body and so we did the scan and I after using 3d scan software called red capture I got a 3d scan on me and for me I really like care about like if you don't have this space how you can do it but like if you don't have this place you just like took photos around yourself you can even get like a similar result like this also then I start thinking about how I can like frame this project and because in like in like my personal life people think I know a lot of stuff so I want to like just sync my conversation with everyone like through a Chinese social media such as we chat and through like western social media such as in sweat I just do doing like data collections about like those messages I send to people or people send send it to me and like frame those dialect into like a field recording or like and doing the Q&A for doing the live performance so that's some part of the performance then I did the motion capture actually before so I was in graduate school before I just graduated like from graduate school four months ago from online users IT people grant but I took a year off due to covid from 2020 to 2021 and doing that year I worked as a motion capture in a studio in China but I wasn't like using motion capture as an opportunity to create artworks so for this work I really want to like have an opportunity to think about like motion and movement uh and so I went to like NYU smokehouse space and myself as an actor to do those motion capture and while I'm acting I don't have like a storyboard or what kind of action I want to make rather than that I have like a list things from the social media I just like look at them and think about what's the reaction I can have for the mocap so I took those as a reflection of the social media messages then I did like a bunch of mocap then I was thinking about how I can build like the performance stage in the virtual space or how I can build the world and I found the like a gallery space at the like our department which is like a history of computers so those are real computers for like from the 60s to like like those ancient computers and since this project is tightly about like personal history and how my relationship with computer and technology so I'm thinking why don't I use that as a like a performance space so I just took a bunch of pictures and photos about them and use that and and doing like 3d scams and look to that as my 3d space for the performance then for the visual effects I was thinking I'm gonna do it by myself do all the effects by myself but on the internet I found like a like unity developer who has a lot of visual effects just about like using mocap data and like loading those mocap data and it can become like very powerful visual effects so I just took that package and doing trainings based on that then here's the final setup for the for the project so everything is loaded in the game engine name unity and just doing camera movement and doing all kinds of effects inside the game engine so the next step so for the performance I did last year for the sound part I wasn't really like get like I didn't get that much experimental with the sound part although there's the live Q&A and this those glitches sound or the full recording but besides that the sound is like something I want to experiment more and so for this year I did add a max patch which is just like doing echoes while I'm speaking it will like doing all kinds of echoes so I can play with my like live there's like more playful part of the live sound and I would like taking digging to to the sound and doing more experiment and the next thing is like Unreal 5 and metahuman is very exciting although like I really like Unity but I would say like with so I with Unreal 5 it's like I can get like way crazier and so I like use like the 3D scan of my head and load that into the metahuman like virtual avatar engine and that's like the result I get from metahuman so it's very interesting to see like how we can get with like a 3D scan our body and but also there's like a AI generated but like based on myself's image of my body so I want to do more experiment with Unreal 5 and move this piece in VR and just like play it in your VR headset I think that's it yep if you have any questions don't yet just send me an email that was great Henry yep I really like that 3D scan like you know really embodied embodiment of your performance and then the mask when you do a mask do you think of yourself being in a different identity or are you because you also mentioned about like you haven't done 3D scans in a while and also like due to COVID like you took time off does that affect of how you view your identity when you're performing or yeah yeah I think especially like as a COVID I feel like I'm isolated in those computers in the Zoom Zoom so like the picture here is like the performance setup which is like I made it like a computer head I'm thinking of like myself it's like on those computer all the time but more scarily is that in the future if the metaverse is real then a lot of us gonna be end up with in the metaverse in the VR headset so I'm always questioning about it although I'm like using those technologies but I'm like kind of against those technologies I'm like more prefer with like a real life or like go out and I like enjoy interacting with people and environment not like just stay with computers yeah so it's almost like you you realize that you are with a computer quite a bit but you also want to connect with other people so you're trying to really think about merging the two of like how do we stay connected yeah ready know that we are connected to technology yeah especially I feel like I'm more comfort like I'm being trained by those apps and computers that I'm more comfortable with people that's remotely or that's online so I feel that's very scary like I'm more comfortable with like social media or like online but like in person that's like very difficult for me so I'm like like thinking of that and while I'm doing this piece I'm like spending so much time on those social media or online so I'm like is that really a good thing or not so I'm not very sure well that's a good reflection because I like how you said it because you know we usually talk about how we train AI but I like how you were saying that we are like this live coding conference so almost like we're being live coding and live data set by these tools that we're using yeah that's a good food for thought that maybe we will get into it more in the Q&A most likely yeah thank you very much Henry stick around as you know there's a group Q&A yep and next we have Kate David and the local motion team for a local motion performance take it away Kate and David whenever y'all ready to set up and your I don't know what what is the I guess locomotive or avatars I don't know the terminology quite yet but yeah yeah thank you so yeah so I'm taking off my co-organizer hat and putting on my presenter hat so if anyone doesn't know me I'm Kate Sikyo I'm here with a bunch of research assistants from both Virginia and Hamilton in Ontario so we have Shaden, Ashmi, Melissa, Vic and Esther are all here and of course my collaborator David Ogborn so we are have been working on a live coding language for for avatars we're really interested in both choreographically how we can make them move but also this concept of avataring itself what does it mean to have this 3d representation of you in a digital space but today we're mostly going to just do a little demo performance of what we've been working on so with that I'm going to switch to my other screen and start sharing and yeah we'll do a little performance for you all yeah thank you so much great peace great peace melody set am I in Narnia? debatable melody debatable so one question I will access and then if there's questions people can ask in the chat when you are live coding these choreographies it's similar to cold rain it's similar to dancing like how similar to a dancing do you feel it is yeah so all of the animations you see that are being live coded are motion capture of some of the dancers here in Richmond who've been working on this project so there is this like very real connection to movers and bodies and yeah it does have for me as a choreographer it feels very much like that process of working with dancers of being like okay now try it this way if you now try it this way I think people have this conception of choreographers like walk into the studio and know exactly what they're going to tell everyone and how to move and that's actually not really how we work there is like a lot more of like yeah crafting movement and so that process I think is really reflected in this in this live coding like oh no okay like I don't want you to be like this far over I want you to be this far over and I don't want you to move quite that fast I want you to do it yeah take twice as long right so there is um a lot of of the choreographic crafting that I feel in doing this yeah and to ask a question to David I know you've been working on Esri quite a bit as I've used the platform many times can you explain the difference maybe because I know you're making language like punctual and all that where it's a lot of abstract visuals whereas in this one since it's motion captured there is the sense of like quote unquote real world physics does that change the approach of how you view language making or something when you're thinking about embodiment instead of abstract well good question good question um I'm not sure I mean I I feel like language is always pretty embodied so so even with even with languages like punctual that you refer to they I know what you mean by calling them abstract but but they don't feel abstract to me they still feel like a tactile surface just it's the 2d surface of of painting you know rather than rather than this surface maybe this isn't really answering the question but I think that one thing that is kind of interesting about this language locomotion from the standpoint of its implementation is that um and it's something that doesn't I think make it different from languages like like punctual is that it's we're building it on on top of of 3js which you know is this like really really amazing library for web-based 3d graphics and and it's huge and it's and it can do so many things and it's it's really built around it has really been built around this idea of like 3d representational graphics and so I think one of the kind of cool things about working on this language is like we're tapping into these um this like existing library of techniques that has already been built around like embodied 3d representations that people are familiar with so that's kind of cool it's like there's a lot of stuff already on the table to work with doesn't have the same like from scratch feeling that you have when you work on something like punctual nice and now we are going to go into the group q&a so people if you feel comfortable you can return on your cameras and then we will get a nice group discussion growing I will ask the second question of hi hi hermanics on the youtube chat because I do think that correlates to everyone how do you think about moving in the space so it was the question was originally about avatar interaction but I think we can go in how do you think about the body while you're performing code and do you actively try to make it different as we're talking about in henry even snow even sabrina where when you're performing do you try to do something else to make it sure that you're performing as we do have daily interactions with computers well I feel like for me especially now that I've been doing like longer performances like you know 40 minutes long I like need to actually make sure that I um relax my body um because like I feel like when you're you know manipulating a lot of things you tend to like clamp up your like hands especially or you try and like you end up sitting in like a fixed position so I try and like you know sometimes I like just stretch when I'm performing and I feel like that feels like more natural because it's like you know also like we're used to just like sitting on a computer and like being very like stiff and like in a really like not ergonomic or like healthy pose so yeah uh for me it's very interesting to think about like body movement and the live live performance and live coding because I wasn't doing like live motion capture and like capturing those data before the performance and like performing them like while in the like game engine so like it's not like real-time like body movement in the like I like so this like a like disconnection between the movement and like my reaction because I'm just control the camera to like or like the staging of the the pre-made movement so I think it's very like interesting maybe like in the future iteration of the project I can like use that code to control those movements like but it's like pretty uh that's pretty really made but like like doing more like interaction with the cold side that's like more playable um those are I think I agree with a lot of what Sabrina said is similar to how I experience it um but I think that another part of it for me is like focusing a lot on my breathing because I think that um I want performing to feel kind of like a release um and a lot of that stems from like having consistent breathing and that kind of shapes my experience as a performer as well. I think to think about maybe the avatars in this um this was our first time performing with like a backdrop which um really defined the space a lot more the last time we performed we just had a floor um so like that virtual space was very different um and I really enjoyed that I really enjoyed having a sense of environment and I I brought my character back and forth a lot more in the space um so there was like a real difference in how I was considering the space I like almost I've never thought about space and live coding the farthest today like in the same way um even if I was like doing something with you know um like spatialized sound or something like this was very different um and then just to add to that sort of interaction um question part of the question is um the one piece we're hoping we're working towards sort of a gathering we're calling it in March and um we'll be working on a piece for that um in the Richmond side where we'll have live dancers and avatars together um so yeah figuring out how that will interact is like the next step I think for me yeah no that sounds good if anyone else has anything to add I would ask the next question there's also a lot of symbolization with health if you notice we're talking about breathing we're talking about stretching Henry you were talking about isolation and even you David when you were talking about like there it's always an embodiment so what do you think about the health components now of when you're performing I can maybe I can start like for me like because this project is actually my first time to trying to perform so I think like the performance it's definitely very nervous even like doing the talk I saw it as pretty nervous but I saw like the whole like process like it's pretty telling uh like because like I'm like viewing like my personal history while I'm doing the performance I'm like listen to those like conversations I had with my friends or like it's just like mental healthly I feel like I'm being relieved so I really glad I did it although like it's very challenging as someone never think like performance as a medium but like using it the first time so I think yeah try it yeah yeah I really like this question um I think that um performing is a care practice for myself and like I had mentioned earlier it's about building synchronicity between myself and like the atmosphere around me so if I'm able to use it as like a tool for me to care for myself then hopefully that enables me to also like care for the things that are in my surroundings as well um I could go um definitely you know like as someone that has like a lot of health issues like I need to actually like be intentional with like you know eating well before like I perform making sure like I have water with me when I perform and also like you know pacing myself during the performance because I feel like it also like I end up being like you know in a way communicating with the audience like as far as my pacing because like you know you have to also like pace yourself emotionally when you perform because you like can't you know do too much like excitement you know like initially you have to kind of like build up to it um or else it's like it's kind of like stressful um and it does take away from like the restorative feeling that um I get when I perform just kind of like snow said like like performing as a care practice okay David or any of the performance on locomotion have any thoughts on that question about health and well-being and care it's funny this idea of like live coding and health seems like pacing um in performance because a while ago there's like a lot of people who are making live coding languages where they were like oh my focus is to make like a language where I don't feel stressed out so I can drink a beer while I'm performing and have this like mellow experience I think that's like fourth at about XC Lang he wanted to make a language where he like didn't feel like stressed about performing and could like sit there and chill um yeah and not not like um we really have to be thinking about what what he was doing um so yeah so I was just thinking about it in that context about this idea of like yeah um a lot of yeah a lot of live coders try to find ways to make it a less stressful experience to make it more so they can reach flow right and flow is what gives us that yeah restorative performance feel um yeah so that's like a common theme I think it's coming back up yeah yeah I think something I'm thinking probably goes along similar lines too which is that I think a lot of live coding practices because they involve a kind of like constructive play I don't and by constructive I mean that in a very literal sense like putting things together taking them apart putting them together again that kind of thing I think that that by itself is is not something that that we can kind of take for granted with computers like I think there are lots of forces that are shaping human computer interaction in ways that actually kind of move it away from that free play and some of these things are even things that are labeled as play in games you know like um gaming can be also a very not playful experience sometimes it can be a very tense and agonistic experience so I think you know a lot of live coding practices just by like kind of giving people something else to do with the computer that's not so goal oriented or not so competitive um I think I think I think that there is some kind of contribution to health and well-being there and also there is a couple things that people wanted to note in the chat I'm just going to get to that before like we go on David shared both on the youtube link there's something called ready avatar one which I believe is a open call for submissions and so Sabrina posted something called into sync which is uh a show of snow with snow and other friends where they're organizing an interdisciplinary show about embodiment and process this week in NYC so if you are interested in those stuff please check it out as we have those calls and I oh and also Melody also saying that it's a live coding class is having an algorithm being streamed tomorrow so while we're thinking about all these different forms of live coding and stuff and talking about health and all that I guess we can talk about rituals for one bit but like I guess everyone has a ritual they do right or maybe you don't have a ritual maybe you want one so y'all can go one by one and just explain if it's not too personal and if you don't mind sharing a ritual that you do either during before or after you do a performance one ritual because some of us might have like five ten but like you know keep it to keep it to what if you don't mind I think my favorite ritual um post performance is taking like a mirror selfie at home or like in the bathroom like where I performed because I always look like super tired but I also look like you know like I had a good time so it's like nice to like collect them kind of like as a souvenir um I think I just like to like step away from my computer before I perform I like to dance and like move my body around and that like situates myself yeah I before performance I will like just walking around like on the backstage and just wondering and just sink outside of what I can do and just clean myself it's only happens when I play with Cody um but when I play with Cody I drink ginger ale nothing like spice or somatic experience I know for me sometimes it's getting gibberish out because sometimes you know when you're improvising you don't know what you're improvising so like one of my rituals actually is just like get things just out of my head and also restarted my computer because computers tend to have like tends to act up but I realized that refreshing the computer makes me like I'm in code mode I'm in performance mode and also I have a lot of tabs open so like less distracted and yeah so thank you very much for this session I hope everyone that's watching learn about how one we're coding we're not only coding right we're putting our bodies into the code and due to the improvisational system of live coding there are rituals there are mindsets that go and it's not just mindlessly sitting on a computer there are thoughts and feelings that not only dictate how we're going to code but like you were saying David and Kate and everyone else actually that live coding itself is a practice that mimics this and tries to have this as a main influential part of the creative process so thank you everybody for that and yeah and if Kate and Melody have anything else to add about the last four sessions before we hand it off to Patrick to have final final words yeah just thank you everyone again for coming and sharing this was great yeah yeah we're we're very excited to have yeah these yeah lightning sessions on kind of yeah everything around the code in some ways so yeah we really I think we really did get to like find some some things around yeah voice bodies learning and identities was our first topic way back yesterday morning um yeah this was brilliant the three of us are looking forward to doing this again next year so yeah so yeah start thinking about what you want to talk about now um yeah anything else to um including thoughts oh yeah I mean just to echo what Kofi and Kate said I want to thank you all um it was a very thought-provoking um past few days and sessions and I'm very grateful to have been part of it and big thanks again for being being part of this archive one of the things we talked about yesterday um I guess on that note let's pass it on to Patrick so hello everybody first of all thank you for all your super nice presentations today and for the very nice discussion and also thanks for the invitation to have a very brief introduction to the international to the seventh international conference on live coding that will happen in April in the wonderful town of Utrecht in the Netherlands so for everybody anybody who doesn't know me I'm Patrick I'm live-quartered from Germany and I'm not from Utrecht at all and this is already maybe something interesting about this next installment of the live coding conference in Utrecht here is a little picture of Utrecht so you all want to come and enjoy also the beautiful scenic views but this installment of the international conference on live coding was organized the organization originates from the underfly project which was running for two years basically in the COVID years so it was a very remote project which was a creative euro project organized led by four organizations Hangar and Toplap Barcelona in Spain or in Catalonia and there was the ZKM Center for Art and Media in Karlsruhe there was the Ludmila Art and Science Laboratory in Ljubljana Slovenia and then there was Creative Coding Utrecht and Netherlands Coding Life in Utrecht and we basically are still hanging out in virtual chat rooms and just want to see each other again and so this is why we're now organizing the conference in Utrecht initially there was a plan to do in Karlsruhe this didn't happen but Utrecht is anyway cooler than Karlsruhe I would say it's been a long time Karlsruhe person so I'd like to invite you all to like if you have not yet checked out the open call for the ICLC 2023 in Utrecht to check it out and then I also want to invite you all to send your proposals for performances for papers for workshops and also for satellite events and I want to very briefly maybe talk about the themes and then also very briefly talk about categories that we have for submissions that are also new to the ICLC and might be interesting to very briefly talk about our overarching theme of the ICLC is displacement theme that got very is a very current theme in many ways we feel we were all displaced by COVID from our physical spaces years ago and we still kind of like feel it and we all have made experiences and that we might want to share about there is ongoing things that happen in the world may it be ecological or may it be aggression that forces people to leave their places and another thing that is now also was not so or let's say has become a bit more evident also now with jet GPT there is a like there is a tendency of artificial intelligence to have a potential to not displace the human or the artist itself but at least to displace a certain artisan digital artisan crafts that we might hone and we might want to do and we feel that the live coding might be interesting in all of these topics and we invite you to think about this overarching theme of displacement but very important the ICLC is open to any topic related to live coding so also if you feel this is nothing for you at all displacement then please still submit your proposal you also have three sub teams and I think they're very fitting also for the talks that I heard today one is a trans and interdisciplinary live coding so live coding in different media also live coding that happens in different cultures and might not yet be so connected to the live coding community for example there is also happened a lot of live coding happening in the demo scene but it seems not yet that it has really found itself then another topic is human machine entanglement we heard about all the embodied embodied and body aspects of your works today this fits very well and then also a third category even is the community report which was also a focus on the on-the-fly project so to say because the on-the-fly project was about building communities and to look into live coding communities in Europe and the community report is basically a way for local live coding communities all around the world to present themselves to talk about themselves to share what they do either in a written paper or in a video so that there is a better a greater exchange of these local notes because we all kind of are connected internationally but still not everybody like every local community has still their practices and their like identities that might not get transported very well over let's say discord or something like this so please submit unfortunately there is not so much time anymore so the submission deadline is the 15th of December and there will not be an extension because we also need to get reviews done and we also want to send the notification for acceptance in mid-January so if you have something please submit as a little note you will have three more days until the 18th to finish your submission but basically the submission record needs to be set up until the 15th and one special thing I also briefly want to talk about there is also a call for ICLC satellite events so this call goes out for event organizers in particular in Europe because the main idea is that we create like many events like some weeks prior and some weeks after the ICLC which will happen in April in the Utrecht so that international travelers can basically make the most out of their stay in Europe so if you would come over from America let's say you might also then have the chance not to only perform in Utrecht but maybe also in Dusseldorf or in Barcelona and we all try to line up things a bit but also a satellite event could equally be something that is happening not in Europe because not everybody can or want or should sit in a plane and fly to Europe let's say like this for different reasons so we also are looking forward to events that happen outside of Europe could be also watch party for example if you want to gather locally see the streams and then you have your own little live coding concert or just watch the streams together and have some drinks and yes the satellite events you also have a bit more time to like submit your proposal this can be very like informal just say you want to do something and then we add you to the list and we will also try to promote your event on the website and we will try to like foster collaboration between all the satellite events and connect artists to organisers and try our best to make the ICLC in Utrecht a memorable international live coding event where we will all have a lot of fun and enjoy ourselves and learn a lot about live coding together and experience a lot of things so thank you for giving me this brief opportunity to speak but maybe also in case there's still a bit of time and there might be a question I'm also here now to answer it I'm not sure thank you thank you Patrick yeah yeah this is anyone has any questions about submissions or the process I know I put in one yesterday I have like three more to put in yeah the submissions will now go up like anyways I don't think uh live coders are particularly good at like early no like like some weeks ago like we had like four submissions and like some some people were like saying oh hope I hope some do come and then like I was like yeah you will see anyways if later the question comes we also you can also reach it Kofi was talking but we couldn't hear him we're just saying feedback hello you can hear me now yeah okay I was like oh maybe y'all can read lips but what I wanted to say is that people that participated in the hybrid live coding interface a lot of the stuff that you have presented as you can see in the formats by this iclc or can be done right because there's video galleries there's community reports there's clubs there's all of this so there's there's different ways to be part of it and like I said you don't necessarily have to be there but if you can be there they're going to make ways to go and I just want to encourage that a lot of the conversation that we've been having in these four sessions do fit and there is a way to fit so yeah definitely and also like uh we will also make uh we will for sure stream like uh the the iclc so that's also people who cannot travel can participate we will also make it work if somebody does not want to travel or cannot travel to still be able to present even though of course we all would want to be at the same place but it will we will make everything work hopefully and it will be also great venues unfortunately I cannot talk about any at local the local team said no not yet because it's not like finished but it's very cool venues teasing us yeah great so but yeah if you don't have questions now but later um you can also ask in the uh hashtag iclc channel on the top left discord or you can just send us an email and we will try to reply as swift as possible amazing thank you so much yeah and I think with that we'll probably wrap up this edition of hybrid life voting interfaces yeah thank you all for joining us thank you everyone who presented over the last two days it's wonderful you saw lots of performances yeah and we look forward to doing it again next year and see you all in Utrecht see you in Utrecht yeah