 Big shit, big shit, big shit, big shit, huh. Name another podcast like this. Check it, check it, check it. It's a unique house issue boy, E-C-E-O. And I'm here with the lovely, amazing official, Mr. Jamaica. What's going on? None of them a day or a while, go on. Man, I got a, hey man, I got a special, hey, I got a jewel in here today, y'all. Say, man, to be honest with you, man, ever since I started this platform, I knew that I was gonna get this guy, man. We been rockin' in the streets for years, man. I see him, I know he a mover and a shaker. That's what show man for the city, man. My boy Gator man is in the building, man. My boy, how you doin', man? How y'all doin'? Man, I'm so happy to have you on the show. You don't even know, man. You really a legend to me, bro, to be honest with you. Say, man, that's how I love, man. I appreciate that, bro, for real. Man, hey, man, the city, hey, the city don't move, really. For me, unless I'm pretty much, if you're not in the scenario, it's a very slow movement for me. You know what I'm sayin'? Like, my history in the city of Dallas wouldn't be the same if it wasn't no Gator man. You remember that? That's what I'm sayin', man. Once again, that's all appreciated, but you just gotta keep yourself relevant, you know? Yeah, yeah. Yeah, struggle every day out here in this world. Man, stop, man. Hey, man, did you ever think COVID would come? Think about that for a minute, man. She was crazy, man. Now, we kinda downplayed it in the beginning. And I think we all kinda got it in the beginning because I got sick. I know I got it in the beginning. I don't know what it is. They were like, I don't know. Then tomorrow, my daughter, my daughter did the same thing. She didn't want to have something fluid up and all that kind of shit and all, keep it pushin'. And had to keep it pushin'. But then when you find out it was serious, I was takin' about five showers a day. You remember that? No. I didn't know how to deal with it. Man, really, man, it's really sad because a lot of people, they mental illness got worse. Yeah, yeah. And I dealt with that with my nephew. God rest his soul, we buried him not too long ago, but he was already- He passed from COVID? Well, no, he was paranoid, schizophrenic. And then the pandemic set in and then depression and all that. And it kinda just took him and we found him in the southern parts of my uncle. So it's serious, man. So- No, it's very serious. Like mental illness is something that we cover on this show a lot. Certain people that whether it be them been through so much different things, abuse, domestic violence, or people that have been through like dysfunctionalities in the family. All that stuff, man, is things that we capture on both sides. And I've always been respectful of homeless people, people down on their look and all that shit, but it gave me a new family. You don't know nobody's situation, man. It could be drugs, it couldn't be drugs. It could just, you know, somebody. Yeah, yeah. It's fucked up right now. But a lot of people love to hold things in and they don't realize that talking about it is not that everybody know your business. You can just find one person to talk to, even if it's just a stranger, talk to them, but you have to get it out. I definitely think it ought to be more therapists set up in kind of the hood for like hood need. Like, you know, as men, we talked to them. Now suck that shit up. Don't tell. Don't talk about it, don't, nothing. You know what I'm saying? So it need to be people in place that they feel comfortable they can go. Yeah, yeah. A lot more of those places have been set up. A lot of people coming in, men coming in and saying, I am going counseling. I am seeking counseling. Some people, if they have insurance because insurance covers it. But if you don't have insurance, you have a lot of people because we've had counselors who've been on this show and talked about it. It's like, hey, you can hit us up on social media. We'll help you, we'll do it virtually because COVID did help where you don't have to go to them anymore. They'll just do it virtually, stay home and just talk to somebody in this bed but to deal with it that way. Yeah, I've been seeing more kind of virtual therapist companies popping up too like you just took all in. Yeah. The hustle reel, Gato. Yeah. I've been seeing more shot boosts up. Everybody getting to it, man. The hustle is real. But what I like, man, they send like the next three to five years it'll be the biggest money transfer. Like as far as it ain't gonna be all predominantly white people. Yeah, it's gonna. Super rich and that is kind of spreading out. And you can kind of see it trickling down with like I got partners that's setting up logistics companies. Yeah, they ain't playing. And it's thriving, you know what I'm saying? But another thing is social media. You're able to reach so many people. You see how country why ain't eat niggas? Niggas is eating niggas just take this and take that. So it's kind of a level to play in. That very much so. But if you're a person that love to invest or have money, you're trying to get ahead of the curve. You're not trying to see what's going on now. You're trying to look down the line and be like, okay, in the next 10 years what's gonna be booming? What everybody's gonna be jumping on so I can invest on it now and wait to see my rewards come in by then. How y'all feel about the crypto world? I've been, everybody's been coming at us about crypto. Everybody. And I don't know, I didn't ever get into it to be honest with you cause it didn't, anything that's sound too good to be true, it'd be messing with me. When you say I'm gonna give you, you give me $10,000 in three weeks. You have 30,000. Don't do me like that, man. Honestly, I feel like in the hood, if it's about stocks, crypto or whatever, whenever we start knowing about it the most it's the end of the day. Exactly, exactly, exactly. It's over once we're like, once we're, yeah, I'm in. I'm in. And niggas is really, have you seen the play to go or no? I've done my niggas come in here and, oh yeah, you know I'm in the crypto world. I be like, niggas, okay, you know. Like, yeah, for real, man, not just to if you know. No, I just really don't like when you tell me something but it's like, it don't make sense to me. Okay, you take the 10,000 and give me the 30, since you getting it like that. Now, but if it take a crash, it's just a stock market, if it take a crash next week and it go down to nothing, like I'm just out of it. You lost it. And it did that deal lately too. Nah, nah, nah, nah, I still deal with this hard, this currency, Jack. Nah, I like to get out here and do it. I like to get out and do it. Hand to hand niggas a little bit. Yeah. But everything you do is a gamble and it's like, I just don't like to gamble. Yeah. That's the problem. Oh, I can't tell when we in Vegas. Now don't do this. I'm not gambling either, man. I go down to the boat and I lose a couple of hundred. That's awesome. That's awesome. I'm a secure gambler. That's what I call myself. I'm a secure gambler. I gamble with the house money, not my money. Okay. Let's talk about Gator Man for a second, right? Let's get to a man like, I know you. I want to go back to, because me from Jamaica, what I can't find about you from him, that's how I knew about Gator Man. Because he rap the South Side Crazy, South Music, Texas, all of that. So, but I don't know your background. I know your music because he plays your music, but I want to know, because that's how I end up falling in love with artists and your art. I need to know where you're from. I want to know how you were raised. I want to know your hard times, your good times. I want to know everything about you. Man, it's a bunch more hard than good. It was a bunch of hard, but. Man, just raised from a- Single parent home? Yeah, pretty much. My old man was around in the city, but Papa was around in the stone, so he was doing this thing. But man, my mother was a flight attendant, so she was gone all the time. So I was at my grandma and grandpa's house, and they lived in Holland Hill, so that's where I spent most of my time, and that's where I grew up. But isn't Holland Hill like the rich area? No. She's talking about that. You talking about the opposite. You're thinking about Holland Park. No, it's not. If it's a totem pole, it's the opposite side of it. You know when we get off, okay, I'll just come right into it like this. You know when we get off over there, off of Lancaster Road, it's the edge of town. And then we turn right and go down up in there, and we go to get the oars or something over in that area. That's the questionable. She don't know where you're in that area, where we're in there. She from Jamaica, man. Yeah, yeah, that's so real. But so Holland Hill, I would always say, you made me real research Holland Hill. That's how... Man, you know what? You made me do that, bro. I got a brother named Kiki out the south. Man, he was like, man, when you dropped the walk the block, when you said Holland Hill's ain't nothing about it, it made me go ride through the apartments, go ride through the neighborhood, and that's a blessing, bro. So, do you have any siblings? Yeah, I have a sister. A sister, so you're the only boy? I am. How was that growing up, being the man, really, of the house, because then your mom was gone, your daddy was hardly there. So how was that growing up? Well, like I say, my grandma and grandpa, they were like... And then, like, once I got a lot of cousins, we have a big family, so it was a village, you know, it was a village, right? Then Holland Hill's, you know, it was old school, you know, you could stay out to two, three, four at night and nothing be, nothing go on, you know. Were you a rebellious child? Were you a rebellious child? No, it's just, being raised really, kind of being around like older people, they tend to just let you do what you want to do, so they kind of just let me lose, you know, I jumped off the porch early, so... Okay, okay. I had to go look at it. So when did you find your love for music? Like I say, I'm older, so I've been around since hip-hop's been around, so I've been blessed, it's a blessing because I've been able to experience the East Coast side of it, the West Coast side of it, when the South light, so I'm cultured enough to kind of, been a student of it all, you know, so in doing it, it made me more versatile and more cultured in my music. Okay, well, when did you find a love? How old were you when you discovered? I was probably about... You know what really, really, what you told me off was gangster rap time me the fuck out, and you can just hear it in my music, so I think it was around the time Ice-T dropped at six in the morning. Oh, okay. So it was probably around the time it started getting bad, 84, five, six, you know, so... A lot of people use music as a therapy to let off how they feel inside, you know, we're talking about counseling and stuff like that, some people use music as their counselor to get off their chest. But man, music has always been such an influence and you really gotta think about the powers that be that said, you know what, let's let gangster rap happen. Yeah, yeah. So, and then they had to know that those... Come on, man. That was gonna happen now. But that's heavy though, man. I don't know, y'all. It was super dope, the sound, the cadences, the way you guys was... It was a big, big, big expression. The way it was coming, and then you go back all the way back to like, when, you know, me, I'm an Eric B and Rocky, I'm like, like the way they came straight at you with them lyrics, not what everybody else was doing, but when the cadences were hitting like that, it made the nigger real, like, oh, this something different. Yeah, for real. That was before the gangster rap movement a little bit, but it still has something in it that was a little more to me seasoned than what other niggers was doing, am I right? Yeah, especially if they implemented like the street shit or the real shit with then mixed with the lyricism, you know what I'm saying? Correct. It was like, oh, yeah. The thinking of a master plan, ain't nothing but sweat inside my hands. You hear that? When you hear that and you like, damn, you know what I'm saying, nigger bro, it really make you, it ain't gangster rap, but it's really talking about the life scenarios. Who's your favorite rap right now? Right, don't do that, man. Not up to the day. You coming all the way up. Uh-huh, uh-huh, man, out to the day? Ah, man, that's hard, bro. I ain't gonna lie, man. Just who I'm listening to right now. If I had to pick, I ain't gonna lie. And that's cause I'm a street cat and it's just me, Al D 300, the nigger that I've been listening to. This nigger, the way he twisting and turning the words right now, I mean, I'm a street, I'm more to the streets, man. I like, somebody else would say Drake or somebody, but I'm telling you, I'm like, when you come out with something, I'm gonna cop that and listen to that. Man, when I'm in album mode, I really force myself not to listen to nobody cause I don't want to subconsciously say or rap or how they do. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. I kind of shut myself completely off when I'm in album mode and I'm trying to wrap up the project. I don't get a, I don't really, I'm gonna be honest with you. I don't get tired of listening to Lil' Kiki, you know, all the older cats. I ain't gonna lie to you. You, I don't get tired of listening to the people who I listen to the road, you know, like cause that's an era that I got caught up in. You know what I'm saying? But at the end of the day, I hear the new stuff that's going on. I hear the Gucci's, I like, I just had my boy on here the other week. My boy, who I'm trying to think of, which one did I have on here, Bay? The rapping, rappers, we have them all the time. All right, that's gonna miss you. Hot Boy West was one of them. I was just gonna say, Hot Boy West and who else? Who else was it? It's been a few of them, the new, like the new, you got the C.C.O.P's, you got the smoothies. You got, these are all the younger new cats. So I respect them for their era. You know what I'm saying? I don't try to be too judgmental cause I remember where we came from. So I understand that there has to be a bridge there for, because what you gotta realize, and I know you probably already do, a lot of our people got locked up, man. It had a gap there. So I'm the forgiveness of that and trying to figure out a way to bridge those gaps. Does that make sense? Yeah, yeah, that makes sense. But I definitely can't get into something that I'm not really a part of, you know, like, I can't do the dance. I tried to do a TikTok dance with these ladies, man. And she had me doing it. C4S, shout out C4S. Nigga, I hit that hole a little bit, but yeah, nigga, I got stuck. You know what I'm saying? Nah, I can't do that. Them niggas is, they doing their numbers. Some people getting numbers and that don't, people, what do you think about this, the way success equates to views and all that? Cause you ain't in that world a lot cause you try to stay away from it. Nah, nah, nah, definitely. I've always been one that kind of shy away from the camera and not been real like that. So, but what I like about it is, once again, it's got everybody in the world. They can get some money, man. Like, if you creative enough, it back in the day would have been damn to try to get an agent go to home. But when you able to be creative enough yourself to make that many people follow you right quick and turn it into some money right quick, I applaud them, man. Man, and it's a bag too. It ain't no look bag. Even if you're in a big bag, if they do it right. But you know, you know, like what I like about the young niggas today is they fuck with each other way stronger than we ever did back then. It was more competitive. It was gang shit. It was neighborhood shit. It was all. When young niggas be rocking with each other and spending with each other and, you know what I'm saying? And putting each other on. No, no, you're right. They do that more and you can tell cause a lot of them getting the bag. And it used to be just kind of a few niggas getting the bag. No, you're absolutely correct, man. So I like it, you know what I'm saying? I like it too, man. And I'm gonna be real with you. I like the way that the money is, but that because of rap. You got that rap broke bonds and broke change where that was like an entrepreneurship game. It deflated itself in every aspect of music. 100. And that's why I like it so much. So really, like I said, I'll play a cast like you that basically think about Dallas, man. Dallas didn't really have no sound. Like think about when you first started, bro. It was verratic. You know what the Dallas sound is? It's the boogie movement. Really, it's the Dallas sound, but that's been the biggest sound to come out of here. Man, we gotta be thankful for that era because them young niggas had the clubs, the city on fire, man. Everybody from the country coming down and the niggas have, but they share that from, like you say, Nemesis, the Run Sea era, all that. Snake, all them boys. That was a dancing camp. The base era was that Luke, it transferred over to that Luke era and Magic Mike and all that. And so we've always shared that with Florida, the dancing. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. So be proud of that. Now you gotta be proud of that. She, maybe Dallas is a dancing city, man. A dancing city. Man, they kind of been on that shit. But not only are they a dancing city, but they basically, when you think about it, they pretty much permeated the world with that when you think about it, bro. Like a lot of people stole that style. Like I know niggas that came, shout out soldier boy when you came down here. Y'all don't know that. Fuckin' with Rue and Rue bossin' around here. We knew we had something. Well, Dallas been always such a huge market, you know, they come and feed off. Yeah, yeah, yeah, and then take off. Yeah, cause what do you, why do you think that it's so easy to do that here though? That is sickening to me. I hate it, Niggie. You know, what really is, it's just more of a, it's just a top market. Like it's LA, it's a new market, it's Atlanta market. So all big markets like that gonna be decided by big corporations and big money. Like the smaller counter markets, they don't really, you know, they'll give you a chance. I gotta ask you about like the whole, the new era, when you say new era, we gotta talk about the trap boys, the mode threes, the yellows, the way that era is. Even I seen Don Chief say something about some, a while back when he was on my show, you know, just about how that era was versus how it made the city look. When all of this stuff just transpired over a year and a half, two years ago, how do you feel like it affected the music game in the Dallas market? Well, with me, man, it's kind of personal because as a rap nigger, you can't really have come in some other rap niggers. Personally, it's just kind of old school, kind of, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. But I think it was the gift and the curse. It brought attention to the music. It brought, you know, the city was alive and, you know, kind of niggers was talking about it and all that, but it divided it, divided the shit out of it. You know what I'm saying? And when you pick a size, you can't get no money. You can't get no money. You can't get no real life. Everybody got to be on the same page to get that money. It basically, it's crazy to me, but it's a real thing. It's a real thing that everybody have to move different. We just, I mean, I was just talking to a cat on here the other day and I ain't gonna say his name, but you probably know him if I said him, but it's just like, hey, man, it's serious, bro. Like you can't move like you, like, you know, niggers, it's out here dying. Like it's a hard thing to move after certain things happen in the city, bro. But, but like, okay, like just as much as the city is quiet because there's really no conflict going on with the homo three shit, it's still moving in the city beneath the surface. Cause I done ran across, there's some little young niggers around her doing a million, two, three million views on YouTube. You know what's going to lead to that after that. Them niggers is going to be all right. Like the little Tay Money chick. She killing it. Little Earl, like killing it. He was just out here. Yeah, yeah. So like, you know, the niggers kind of making some noise. I think they're going to, they're going to blow. And as they blow, it's going to change the algorithm of what we already experienced. You see what I'm saying? It's going to make it to where it's going to be more where it's going to put our side back on it again in a way, but it ain't going to be the same way. Yeah. And which is a good thing. And I heard in this shit, you just got to fuck with, who fuck with you? You know what I'm saying? Boy, you can say that again. And I really know you got to go after this demographic of people or go after them. You just got to rock or who rock with you? Who rock with you? Man, hey man. So I got to ask you about this song. You know, my favorite song you ever did was kiss my ass. You know what I'm saying? I mean, you know, me and, me and low D's sung that whole on here together, nigga. Yeah, me and low Demi. We sung that whole nigga. And then I brought in a conglolation nigga and it had that hole in the background. That's how we started boss talk nigga. Yeah. Yeah, for sure. I want to ask you about the song because I never knew the history of it. I love the song. My first time hearing it, I was in the strip club and them girls was playing. I don't know if you came in there or somebody but that hole hit the DJ booth and it just, I mean, it was going down. So it was at that strip club hall. I was blessed to have some longevity with it. Definitely, man. Yeah. To this day, you still, you know, it's one of them, they cut it on. People going to react to it, you know, so. But me personally, I really don't fuck with it. Don't like it much, man. No, I won't. It just represents a me that was so long ago. So just imagine if you walk in the club every single time and they put that on and you don't drop out 10, 12 projects. It's like, nah, but like, okay, I'm grateful but now y'all need to hear this motherfucker noon, noon, noon, yeah, it is shit. It is crap for something better than that. So tell me though, how did you come up with that song and just give me the history on it? Honestly, man, it's crazy because like me and Ice Fang, that's my boy, shout out Ice Fang on me. We both went to Woman Hutches and all that kind of shit. So we were in the yellow and we were like, it was around the time that Houston kind of era started getting big with the Harden. Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. And I wasn't a super duper big fan of that era because like I say, I've been in every era so I'm okay for more than I respect the lyrics. But it was just, we were fucking around. It was the very last song we put on the project and that whole just people started fucking with it. That whole went in. So y'all didn't plan, was that the one y'all spent off or was it another one that y'all was trying to push and that one just pushed it out the way? 20 inch dating first. Yeah, yeah, I remember that one. And that one kind of just, it bumped it. Yeah, but yeah, both of them had 20 inch dating dating, but you gotta keep in mind it was in a era, it was in a time with no social media. So like back then, if we wanted to get popping in an Arkansas, we had to load that shit on control over the fucking Arkansas. But I missed that aspect of it. I bet you do. It's more hand in hand and you really feel like, man, now I met that nigga, you know what I'm saying? Yeah, yeah, yeah. The comparison of just following. Yeah, yeah, this is a different feel. Totally different feel, ain't it? The ones who getting the real good money and the cult-like followings are doing both. Yeah, yeah. Okay, they rockin' with me right here. I ain't got no shows here yet, but let me get on in there and go down there, go through their malls. So do you still keep them tapped in like that? Like I'ma go over here if I feel like that's what they rockin' with me at? Are you able to? With me, like, I really haven't dropped nothing new and kind of so. I only do it after, you know, if I'm pushing a current project, I'll go move around. So I'm comparing myself to go do that. Like I got a pretty good following on West Texas. Okay, yeah, West Texas, what part? Which one, Millerton or Lover? Midland, Odessa, Marillo, like they kind of rockin' me up through there and then in the Midwest too. Kind of St. Louis and, you know what I'm sayin'? Places up in. Well that was surprised you like, like when, and I'ma let you go cause I seen you cock back. I seen you. But what surprised you in your career where somebody, it really messed you up that they felt this way or they seen you and they, you know, cause you, I ain't gonna lie, when I see you I'll be like, that ain't gonna move. You know, I obviously just respected the grind, you know. I don't know man, just like I say, just everybody know, like being in the music industry, you have your highs and lows and it'll build you up and break you down, build you up, break you down. So after a while, you find a balance, kind of getting on to the bullshit. Like really with me now, I'm kind of the business of music kind of deterred me and made me be a man, fuck this shit. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Then if I'm hustling in these streets and I'm doing these numbers a day and then their music ain't doing nothing. All right now. So I'm a hustler. I fuck them up for music industry. I've seen you do that. Look, I've seen you go through that. But you shouldn't, like if I can give that advice, like don't just, you gotta. I could tell, man. But one still thing that I've constantly done, okay, I might not be dropping, I might not be active out there, but I write and record damn near every single day. Like, really see, a lot of niggas that we knew from back then, they were dope dealers who rapped. They were, they were an IT dude who just rapped. Now I was a rap nigga who was so dope. I was a rap nigga who, that was a rap nigga who, so amused they're like, it was always rap first. So like, oh, the niggas can't really, like they get stuck in their ways. And you know, I'm still gonna sound like this one. Now you gotta stay a student of the game. Man, I've seen you. You can't get stubborn. A lot of the big execs, when they didn't wanna go over into the social media age and kind of really when everything was moving online, the ones that were stubborn, lost their job. Damn sure did. Lost their companies, you know what I'm saying? Yeah, I ain't gonna, I'm gonna let you go cause I know you got some. No, what I was talking, what I was thinking about is when you were talking about, well, you jump in your car and go over here whenever you're trying to push something. But then a new generation right now is everything is social media. It's not no hand to hand anymore. So if a person is doing both compared to a person who has mastered social media and pushing it hard and really doing well on social media, which one earns more? The, definitely the social media because they reaching, they reaching. No, but I'm talking compared to the person who's doing both social media and hand to hand. Well, I guess when you get so big social media wise, it's gonna lead to that hand to hand because if you're getting the hell of offers in LA, you gotta, hey, let's go. Yeah, yeah. I really think they kind of hand in hand, but it's just the social media is leading to the road and when it used to be the road would lead to your following. You know what I'm saying? Yeah, yeah. It's just like social media, like you can just reach too, too many people. Yeah, yeah. If it's heavy enough, you can reach so many people. A lot, right. Yeah, it's hard to beat it. Yeah, it's hard to beat it. And then what I like about, like I say again about young ladies is they controlling, they merch, they controlling. Every aspect when it used to be the company with them 360s and shit, taking all that and they just making their show money. Now they making it all the way around and it reflects, you could tell. And people knowing their rights more so even when they're trying to make deals there. But you know what led to that? Like a lot of them old school niggas, blues niggas getting fucked. You know what I'm saying? A lot of them old rap niggas getting fucked, bad contracts, like now, like they on game more now. People learn from other people's experiences, which is good. But what I wanted, could you say you in the studio every single day, you always record all the time. So when are you putting out work? I know, right? Like that's my problem. Yeah, like as you do it. Are you just going to America? Are you just going outside? Well, I dropped the last time. The last thing I dropped was a key to the city. I dropped the one with the PMC deal on there. That was the one. No, no, no, no, no. You know what I'm talking about? I'm talking about the one where you put that, that with that radio. Oh, well, no, that was the, that was when our hell broke loose. That was, that was my war. I still got done on this computer right now. I'm talking after they call a key to the city. That's the one I missed. I just, with me or like, where I'm at, it's just I don't really be dropping real consistently. I'll drop every couple of years, which you really can't do that. Like this day and age, you gotta, uh, uh, uh. Yeah, yeah. The new project is a lot of everything off of it. You know what I'm saying? I'm good now. You got to come on here when you get ready to drop it. You can't miss out on me. So when is the drop? Whenever you to drop it. I just know he coming back on boss, and we feel that people know cause we're in the city. I can bad right now. Yeah, June, July, June, July. And we're going to be right back in this thing. You feel me? Cause I just want to help, you know, promote and help. We pushing, man. You know what I'm saying? Once I, once I'm here, we got to take advantage of, I think that's one of the big misconception. Like, man, there's opportunity out here, man, with this podcast world. Man, with me, like, it seemed like whenever I say, man, fuck this music shit. And I'm gonna, man, fuck this shit. It's in you, man. Somebody like, whenever I do that, I swear the next day I'll run into somebody, you came to me and say, my boy, I'm right. You know, they go crazy, bro. Yeah, there's a lot of love out here for you. I know what I mean, y'all. Oh, yeah. Yeah, the same way. Not Dallas, UGK, nigga. Y'all got me bent, nigga. I don't be around with you. So whenever the year, a lot of love, I get that interstate fuckin' life. Bro, you know, that happens to me something like. You my top, top nigga from this city, man. I'm just, I'm just so interested for everybody to hear the new shit. The top nigga for me in this city when he come down to. I'm not playing, bro. That underground thing, man. Like I don't even care. I know what I'm looking for. And that's, that's just when I look. Now, you know, I'm Pimp C. That we better get into that, too. That's my, that's my, if you've been watching this show, every nigga that we do, this is a, this is a foundational video, you know what I'm saying? This is a piece to the Pimp, man. So how did you guys come out with that since the nineties, man? What was that about? Well, actually, man, Pimp had came down in a, he had a, did a verse for me. Like I think it was right after he had got out of jail. Okay. I think the first time I think, but he came down and he did the verse for me. So we developed that relationship. And then I got a relationship with a J Prince and a Big E. So it all kind of intertwined to where I kind of was working with him on that. But we didn't actually put the song together to after he passed. Okay. So it was J kind of gathering up music and trying to add and stuff. So you and Pimp talked and you, well, give me a Pimp C store. I'm gonna do just like I did Mike Jones and everybody else, nigga. You ain't gonna get out of here without giving me a Pimp C store. You know what? I don't really help me. When y'all met that day, nigga, he wiped his eye and you know, I don't really have like a one where he kind of spasmed out. No, I don't spas out. You ain't that type dude though. But I wasn't fortunate enough to just spend the whole hell of a lot of time with him even though I respected him and he is Texas, you know what I'm saying? But when he did come through, he came through for the verse. He was on his business. He did this and he hugged the nigga. Hey, bro, I appreciate you. You know what I'm saying? I'm a hard-earned money. So, you know, that mutual respect was there. So whenever he came to town after that, we were rocking and I come to his shows. But it really wasn't just, I didn't spend too much, you know what I'm saying? No, it was business. You paid your bill. But y'all knew y'all was connected to some of the same people. Yeah. Okay, and that brings up another point. Like just you and the rapper line thing, it was a time when you came out with some music, I'm gonna say, and it seemed like you had signed with Rappelot or something, or you as well. What was the deal with that? Well, once again, that me kind of doing that PMC song when they were working on that project, it just led to Jay Prince fucking with me. You know, I was being blessed to sit down with Jay Prince, you know, gave a nigga a lot of game. But he just, like from there, he fucked with a nigga. So he put me on the compilation where they redid a lot of songs. And you know, he kind of put me in a Brazil, put me on songs with Wayne and Jota and Chris Brown. I know you did a Wayne. I was with a Wayne, Luda and Trace Ongs. Really? Yeah, but it was all on that compilation. That compilation. Yeah, so man, that was a blessing for him to do that. So you didn't even know it was gonna happen or how to do that? No, no, no, no, no. He was like, they were in the process, you know, semi music. And I was dealing with an international red, shot after a red. So, yeah, man, we were just putting that shit together and sending them music and they were fucking with the verses. So they were using them. So I was grateful for that. I got, I just, when you did that, when you were dealing with the Rappelot, when I knew you were dealing with Jay Prince, I knew, I was like, man, damn, my boy, he gone now. You know, in my mind, that's my he gone moment. You know what I'm saying? Like, damn, that nigga doing his thing. Cause it seemed like you got more aggressive during that time with your music. Yeah, am I right? Yeah, but I just chose and decided to just stay independent. You know what I'm saying? Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. You know, when you've been a boss for so long, not dealing with no music, shit, it's hard to count a girl wing, you know what I'm saying? How is that though? I mean, like I could do a Jay Prince or something. Do they respect that? It looked like they would respect that money. Yeah, yeah, come on. When you were in the niggas and stuff, you know, cause it's so beyond the music, you know, some different, the different business aspects that everybody got going on. Yeah. All about music, so. Yeah, yeah. So what about you and Bun B? Did you ever link up with Bun? Yeah, man, Bun had me, he got me on this project. I'd have been on like, he done that got me on like two or three things, man. And then up and coming, I got something brewing up, putting that sip, drink music part two to where I'm gonna be working with him. So me and Bun and I always had that mutual respect. Me and Bun is a stand up. Man, he been posting boss talk shout out to Bun B. He been posting the heck out of boss talk. He was definitely a stand up dude, man. He's suspected all over the country for being in that way, man. Man, I just had Bobo Luciani on here, man. Yeah, Bobo. Man, me and Bobo kicked the boy. Hey, man, we went for hours in there. She over there like this nigga, yeah. Nigga, we been sitting this whole all night, you know? Yeah, that's who got the pills, she's the one. Man, that nigga went on. Nigga, she was over there like this, gator. That was not, I was not. Man, that nigga was doing like me and you doing now. She was like, then she'll get back into it, yeah. But it was tough, it wasn't easy. So, let me ask you, man. So, Facts of Life, man. One of my favorite songs. What caused you to write that and how did you come? I'm gonna ask you something else in a minute, but Facts of Life, let me know what made you come up with that. It was just, well, I had heard the beat. That wasn't the original beat. I think I just heard the beat somewhere. And so, I was just going through a lot. You know, all that shit that I was talking about on the channel, going through it anyway. So, give them facts, you know? It turned out to be a good rest. Kind of like one of my personal fans. I like it, man. I loved it at the time. And I was at the Strel Club when I heard it, nigga. I'm not fucking sure. We was in that thing back in the day, boy. And it was in that. I can't even remember how many times, man. I couldn't count it. Man, I was in that thing. I was in there every night. Man, it was so crazy, man. Me and one of my partners, man. We were hitting day show and night show. And we got all up one year, bro. Man, look, we pulled up to DJs. It had to be about, you know, we out there. But it had to be like, if the club opened at 10, I think. We out there, it'd be about 945. Like, come on, bro. It's ridiculous. They ain't even dressing out here, y'all. So, look, we go in there and we sit down and, you know, start kind of getting thick and shit and the fucking ATF hit that bitch. Boom! But I used to like, man, they hit it so hard. When they cut the lights on, all you saw was just little packs of what niggas was going in there. Don't get rid of it. Well, I was like, man, I said, no, this is enough, bro. Niggas need strip clubs or dynamists or something like that. Nah, bro. We is not like, we ain't just, we're early in the morning, bro. Yeah, that's where it'd be a addiction because you'd be like, it's a hangout. Yeah, it was a hangout. And it's like everybody there, you know, it's easy. And usually the laws ain't trippin'. Now, usually they ain't trippin', they trip every nine days, but not like, you know, like consistently tripped. So, another time, like we had, we were in California and we had got like two pints of some drink. So we couldn't take it back on the airplane with us. So we just had to finish the whole two pints. And we had like a red-eyed flight that next morning, about five or six o'clock. So we drunk probably one and a half of them whole pints. And then we so sleepy, bro, like ridiculously sleepy. We in the airport. Ah! It was just snowing, bro, like we stressed out. They come in like pushing, they're like, hey, y'all got a, we got on the airport, we was in on that. They were waking us up, bro. So look, I don't know why I thought just that little bit of sleep on the airplane was enough rest for, but like, I hadn't been in the city in probably about two weeks, like I was in DC and some other shit. So when I got back to the city, I'm like, hell no, I'm crying, that was enough rest. I'm in the city. Man, I went out that night. I think I went to, what's the one that used to be behind DGs? That was at one time, it's been a lot of things. It's been what they call it thing, oh, damn. I don't know what it was at the time, but I was at the airport. I was drinking, I'm drinking Patron. I don't drink probably about eight Patrons, no sleep, been on that drink. Darn it, that's what it was. Bro, I blacked the fuck out, like, they say I ran up in the dressing room, the girls, I was like, they say like, I done morphed some bitch, bro. Like the security guard said, bro, when I came and found you, it was like you had some West Dallas partners in there, it was like seven of them, and they were huddled around, and you kneeled down in between. Like you said, security guard just called and you like to run and she like, bro, come on, get the fuck out. And then they never just used to keep me out, cause I used to be raised in there. They'd just be like, bro, you can't come back for a week, you can't come back for two weeks. Bro, you was in that thing. I ain't gonna lie, when I knew I was gonna see you somewhere, when I hit the strip club, like, oh, Gator gonna be your, oh, I've seen you. It didn't surprise me. Man, I left there, like I was in my home and my partner was following me. He was begging me not to drive. He was like, bro, he said, man, I was doing about 150 in the homer. We went to X to see, now we ain't go, they went to Tigers. They say, I got into it with my ex and like, so we fighting in that hole. They kicked me out of there. And then like, I'm on my way to North Dallas. He say, I was just scraping the side. Kind of way with the homer. He's like, bro, I thought you were gonna flip it, bro. He was in there with you. All I, no, he was behind you. Yeah, I'm like, all I know is when I woke up, my truck was parked in a skinny parking, but it was parked neatly in there. Both of my, my right and left tires was on flat. Like, I mean, both of my right side tires was on flat. The whole side of it was scraped up. And like, it was like a big ass like gas in the rim to where the dude like, man, I don't even see how it's holding her. Like, you don't like, shit, like a big guy, like, just thinking that shit with a flip doing that fast and then. Boy, hey, boy, God was on your side, bro. I was just God, man. I was God on your side. And a lot of instances like the hell was just God, bro. Yeah, yeah, yeah, man. That homer would've got the flipping up and I probably had no seabed up. Boy, I know you were wild and out, cause we used to wild out. You're under the wild and out. What, so when you dealt, how did you get E-Forty on that song on that since the nineties? I gotta ask you that. Oh, well, once again, that was put together with Jay Prince. With Jay, so he the one made that one, okay. All right, cause I just try and figure that out. I knew you said Jay put together. E-Forty always hollow clip. I never heard that nigga hollow clip a lot of times. Now he got, you know, Go-Hard Black is his first cousin. That's what it is. He got that, you know. That's why I asked that, cause I know he kind of, he be screaming that old cliff thing, you know what I'm saying? Shout out to each, shout out to Go-Hard, man. Yeah. What do you, do you know, you be watching little Ty Harris was on here, man. Man, I like Ty Harris. Yeah, that nigga a musician, man. Yeah, I like him, bro. That nigga was on here, that nigga, that nigga a little of that piano, man. What made me a fan is voices. That that song he got voices where he had the alternate ego in the video to where like after that, his creativity and once again being able to play as he's talented, bro. I like him. Yeah, yeah. Is he still with Q? I don't know. I know he taught, he mentioned Crabtree when he was on here. Oh, okay. You know what I'm saying? So him and Michael. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Game on with the school together. Yeah, yeah, yeah. He definitely mentioned him on here. Did he mention about it? I think that was it. I know he, him and Bobby Billions, really, he here, he here. Oh, they too. They're real tight. All your asses. You know, they got something called Blood Brothers. Yeah. And it's, it go hard too. Oh, yeah, yeah. I mean, I- Bobby Billions doing this thing, too. Man, I heard, you know what? That boy got that plaque, man. And you can't take that from him. No, no, no. You can't take that from him. Niggas be talking, but a lot of niggas can't talk, they talk. And I say this, and I said when you ain't on here, but I'm gonna say it, man. When you look at these artists down here, they don't get to shine cause they ain't from New York and all that. We gotta give them our, their shine ourselves because- Well, you know what the streets is gonna say is, could the record have been that big? They always do that, man. That's what they say. That record could- And it don't fucking matter. It don't matter, really? Like, come on, man. Like, the city should be really applied in the song anyway because it's ours, okay? Dallas got an opportunity to say, hey, man. It don't matter, but my personal opinion, no. It still wouldn't, it wouldn't have been that big. I agree 100%. I agree 100%. You know, three to put that shit on there and made you think it was heels, boy. Like, if you was, if you didn't know no better, just listen to that song, don't know nothing about it. You think that- Well, let me ask you this. Do you think if he'd have been living, it would have went, did it's good? No. No. Well, you know, you know, you can't because- Yeah, I don't know. I think it still would have been big, but I think for the sake of the record, they would have got together and they would have worked- I don't know. I don't know. Because I just know when three were living, he always in that kitchen. He always, he got a lot going on. The three I know or seen, cause I didn't ever meet him, but the one I seen, he ain't had a lot of time to know. But if that record with the stars just getting there- He would have went with it. He would have went with it. Cause I saw them Atlanta niggas do, they don't even really be rocking with each other in person. But if they got a record together, they gonna show up to their club, be on opposite sides of the club, go on stage to their record, and when it's over, go back to their sides and go on about their business. Like for the sake of the record, yeah, that's- How do you like the way Dallas is so far is the way the music is, the separation and all that and how the state is seeing today. You just said some, Atlanta can do that. Do you think that we can ever get to that point? I think we all right, man. It's just, it is a separation. Like I say that three and yellow and freight and shit, it definitely divided the city, you know what I'm saying? Cause you know, it divided the city, but I don't know, man. I just think, I think it's a, you know, the city evolves and it's growing and it's gonna always be, you know, kind of other shit going on and you just gotta see where it go. What about the bloggers? You like the blogging that's going on? That's a new thing. Yeah, data, new stars niggas. I'm taking pictures with people. Gator, Gator, when I walk out, they take a picture with me. With me, I don't have my issues with some bloggers here and there, but that's only because it wasn't good journalism. It's only because it was plagiarism, you know what I'm saying? Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. So like, no, if it's, it, it, it respect in your craft and how, with longevity and, you know what I'm saying? With me, I used to trust people way too early, but now like with me, like, no, I gotta do a full ground, man. But yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. I gotta see how you are for at least by six months to a year. And if you start moving goofy or if you start doing weird shit or being and crying on social media and all that shit, nah, you ain't still, fuck you. Yeah, and that's real because you got a lot of people that just pull up to the city, like being honest with you, me being from somewhere, but I've been here alone and most of these niggas been living. So at the end of the day, I went to Plays Club, niggas. I went to, you know what I'm saying? Lakeside and RJ by the Lake Niggas. I was with Scarface and that whole, so I can talk this talk, you know what I'm saying? I'm not been here alone and most niggas been living. So at the end of the day, but when you look at the city, I just say, you know, we got opportunity, man. Dallas is just. We got opportunity, bro. It's his own monster, man, but like you can't really like, what I don't like is niggas from the city that talk shit about the city. Yeah. Oh, fuck Dallas. Nah, nah, nah, nah, nah, nah, nah, nah, nah, nah. You must say a lot of niggas because they be doing that. Yeah, yeah, but you stay in here in this motherfucker. Man, okay, Dallas might be a little fucked up, but it's how we motherfucking got. So we feel a little raw, just motherfucking. We feel to still try to get it and figure it out. We're going to be dirty, clean. We're going to do it all, you know what I'm saying? It ain't no fuck the city. Hey, you man, you kind of weird ass shit as that. Nah, you can't do that. As much as the cowboys piss me off, every fucking season, there ain't no fuck the cow, but don't say no fuck the cowboys, you know what I'm saying? Oh, look, look, look, look. I can see it. Oh, the laconator right there, she ain't trying to hear it, man. There you go. She doesn't, man, because she ain't never seen it. What is her Super Bowl? What is her team? She don't have no team, really. She just, because we're Dallas and our defense. The Patriots. That's just because they won all them years. Y'all niggas, man. Our defense, a Dallas Cowboy thing, can turn a person all like we are. Oh, we don't care. I just can't understand why everybody, even if you're not from Dallas, it's all about a cowboy. It's America's team. It's a little like, it's America's team. What made them the America's team? It's the Dallas Cowboy. That's Dallas. What made them America's team? You see, I can't have got them. It is America's team. See, how we do it? I don't even know how to, like, it's just. They're like, what made them America's team? There's so many other teams in America. What made them America's team? It's the stars that blew away this thing. It is what it is. It's Roger Starback. It's Darcy. It's like, it's so many greats over the years. It's done, did the, you know, like. All the years decades ago. Yeah, yeah, yeah. You can't take them five rings away. You know what I'm saying? You can't take them rings away. You know what, we going through a rough patch, but we don't figure that shit out, and I'm the same way when I talk to my mom. No, I'm not, no, because the thing is that I love the Cowboys in the beginning, but I was tired of being let down so many times. They get all the way up to the playoffs, and it's like, it, that year, it looks like the years. I said, man, I ain't fucking with them bitches until they want a second playoff game. They ain't gonna fuck with me. Man, let me tell you something. They want a second playoff game. The road came over, on here, man. You should have seen the look in his eyes, man. Right after that, he went, one day he was up with Jamie Foxx and all of them. I seen him, I said, boy, that nigga having a good time at the playoff game. That nigga coming here with his head down, man. I didn't know if we could go do this, damn, man. If y'all said the road, man. Man, you know, man. I said, hey, man, we gotta get in there. That nigga worried, boy. Listen, it wasn't your, that's the way it be, man, because your heart is into this stuff, man. You know, so what else you got for Gator, man? I'll tell you what. You got what we got for? Yes. But, hey, Gator, man. Come on, man, give it a call. First time going do this one. Gator, man, now, hey now. Wait a minute. Don't give it to them yet, man. Gator, I hate the songs and stuff. We got, I... I don't walk the block until my feet hurt the slice, Because I walk the block until I think that more is there I don't look around and look forever on the nice, And I walk the whole damn world at a kiss with Connor I don't walk the block until my feet hurt the slice. And then look and it's crazy because it was around the time I was fucking with it We were playing with it, but then shortly after that, I didn't produce no more BC And that's one of my regrets is I should have kept doing Because that's what that's what a real money at inverses nigga Man that drop in that song bro Come on To make the beat I really like it was around the time why it was one of those times why I just said fuck music Period muffin go trap. I was just like fuck this shit. So I should have kept doing beats Man too late. You can still do it now. Can't you I just don't have a desire to do man and nigga Man that beat the drop on that beat It was it was a drop Yeah, the detail roll call Well, you know, you had so mad I could listen to the whole thing I was kicking it, bro. Like we had CDs back in the time. I was working on that a project I was doing it half here and I was up in Another part of it at death row really. Yeah back then Yeah, I was I was you know kind of fuck with death row around it's funny. You said that snoop didn't acquire something Just he got the company, but he didn't get the publishing. Yeah, I think it he wouldn't but not for the number I heard yeah, yeah, yeah, but he's still to have it back in his grasp and he can bring out music and He can wrap that brand like that ball gonna be said hella high compared to that other shit, but He gonna be I That's new fun cuz cuz you got to think of mine What he finna make off merchandise just think he's still got the ability all that artwork and the Doggy style cover jackets and so now you can do that with the box He like he finna be all right. How do you why do you think they love snoop so much on the West Coast? And here and here everywhere, you know, why cuz he just wanted them niggas, bro He's just a real he just you know, he's just a cool nigga, bro Like he just that high just oh gee niggas Who snoop finna be with bro Respect it now everywhere. He's so respected everywhere to where you can't if you just if you ain't fuckin Snoop, you just Come on You can't get around snoop, man. We're gonna be I'm sorry. I went back in the mode. I went back in the interview mode Go ahead. Okay, so we like to present you with this Say man, listen, man come through with the hood in there They in trouble man Nobody listen Everybody be calling me for these dang things man. They like man. I gotta have one of them like they just love them you Yeah, the movement man. Yeah, I do the movement is real man, and I think you've been coming on the show man I appreciate y'all for having me man. Come on man and we got something else for you, too. Yes, we do That's not the only goodie you get. Oh, man We ain't playin Okay, new birthday To present you with an award Man, we ain't playing that's why I had to get nigga look. I ain't playing anything in the city We got to show our people love and give them roses why they're here, bro That is what's I'm promising you that and I don't know where else whatever platform you've been on big ups to them But we here now and we gonna love nigga till we get out of here Period So the award says presented to gay demand aka Kenneth Piper In recognition of a legendary music career with Southern roots Keeping the heat in the streets and creating a foundation for the next generation Come on man Real talk man say man appreciate you man for real that thing serious man. Like I said, man Yeah, that's a that's all my mental right there. Say man. Yeah, I think Like I said, our thing was when we came into the game We're not gonna get in front of the people that we you know Cut fun in city and not show love, you know what I'm saying because at the end of the day You take the time out you come over and see us man And you guys them put in so much work and I feel like the recognition don't be there a lot of time Yeah, so it's like man. I can make a difference. So me and my brother was talking and I was like man You know what? I mean to give them awards. I'm like, man, you know what nigga when we do this pocket We give it out of war That's my lack of kindness man go real. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah And if I can sleep at night and I did it right, you know, I'm saying I can go home now Damn, man, I got to meet gay the man up at the spot. He came through we weren't at the strip club We was at the spot, you know, and I got to bless him man. It's that I won't do nothing else. I did that So thank you man. I appreciate the both of y'all for having me man Come on man. We and like I said when the new project come out man Make sure you come through, you know, I'm saying show. I'm listening to that thing, too You know, I put this music on it. I'll be in here just vibing out And then you know, I want to sit with you man. We go down through that. Yeah You check it out. Yeah, because what I want to do it like people do listening parties and all that But I rather get it from you just narrowing then we put it out before the project come out People get to hear your perspective on and like you said this internet thing is dope. It goes it transcends It's everywhere. So because like we're a wide place man. It's crazy because I got a good following in Austria Oh, yeah from place like and it makes it really It's crazy, you know, like we get when we go live it'd be like man, we in Africa. We love you. I'm like I'm telling social media. It's crazy It did didn't it mean those people Music has Transcend culture because people just love music. They don't care where you're from a lot of time people like I didn't know you're you from Dallas Or that y'all located in Dallas because it's a social media I don't know what a mess me up is when you'll see a little girl from like a third world country hit Beyonce better than Beyonce I can't speak a lick of English. Go eat, but no like that happens. That happens, bro It's amazing me a Europe European artist sounds so soulful and then talk like a certain way Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, they start singing they sound like us. Let me ask you this man top three artists of all time You're not getting out of here without that Everybody Number one, don't do number one Everybody else that top three artists of all time Dead or live any general that's the that's our top three segment number one number one It's gonna have to be pimp see And you know what and you getting this from somebody like once again, I come like I like more lyrical I come from yeah the lyrical era, but the feeling he gave me that's it fucking decade Was man, like I couldn't I couldn't I couldn't put I couldn't put in KRS one and get ready to go and hit that club So the feeling he gave takes us in man, we lost we lost the legend man. We lost it. That will be my number number two To popsicle. Yeah, do pocket boy. He was at to pocket boy It was just his versatility like he could drop when he dropped me against the world. It was different Then the next one and the next one and the next one in McEvoy like every one of them was just so It just was so orchestrated and fit a move. What's not that only only guy can judge. Yeah, I'll let me So he uh, it probably definitely have to be two pop. Yeah number three That's always the one that got klc. You know klc. I stopped he had a whole list and couldn't figure out that number three Because that when you say the three is just gonna Oh Number three It could change but number three today for gay to man the gay to man Hey man, thank you for coming on the show We love you gay to man. And if there's anything you need boss talk 101 We uh, we are out let's show man. I appreciate definitely man. Hey, man. It's been another great segment of boss talk 101 and we out Oh gay to man this award is presented from boss talk 101 It says presented to gay to man aka Mr. Kenneth Piper in recognition of a legendary music career with southern roots Keeping the heat in the streets and creating a foundation for the next generation to come That's what's up, man. I appreciate y'all for it, man. I appreciate y'all Hey, man, come on man. We're giving up rose. Why are you here for so much show? How did you boy man?