 Let's just piss them off even more. Hello everybody. Welcome back to SOTaric Atlanta. This is part three of our discussion, our probably never-ending, this is going to be the never-ending story on organic portals, because this topic is so freaking fascinating. Of course, I'm joined here with my soul sisters, Nicole, Angie, and Kathy. You guys all know Nicole and Angie from their own platforms, which those links will be in the description box below. Kathy is in our Signal group. She's also been on my show before for the Shadowwork Roundtable for the first round of Shadowwork we did. And she had left me an incredible message after our part one we did. And so I asked her to come on this, because Kathy is quite a wordsmith. She's a really good words. So but before we get into it, there's a couple of announcements for Nicole and myself. If you guys are interested in doing the ACIA, which has been life-changing for both Nicole and me, the phone number that's in my description box that's also in Nicole's description box, it's the same phone number. You're either entering Bryce Info or Nicole Info. Jay really wants you guys to contact him before you make a purchase, because he can help you get it at wholesale prices. And he can also help you figure out what's going to work better for you. The website is a new company, and so the website is not as user-friendly as it could be. Hopefully that will change in the past. And so it's super, super, super important that whether on Nicole's channel or my channel, please text Jay. Just text him, Nicole Info or Bryce Info. I think I've got the phone number memorized now at 1-321-216-8047. Again, that will be down in the description box. And Jay will get back to you and will help you figure out the most economical way to get this product, because we don't want you spending more money than you have to spend. He can get it to you at wholesale prices. So please, please make sure you do that. The second thing I want to mention before we get into this episode with organic portals is the idea of a distressed soul. As Mr. Fox said at part two, on our part two episode, which I will place down in the description box below, if you missed it, distressed souls. So sold people, S-O-U-L-E-D, sold people who are in distress, will behave like organic portals. So that is why it's important not to judge too harshly. I know a lot of people wrote in the comment section, they were concerned like their children were... First of all, if your child is under the age of 20, they're just assholes. Like, I'm sorry, like that does not mean that they're... Teenagers are just assholes, sold or not sold. They're just... We were probably assholes and we were teenagers, right? So I wouldn't judge it too harshly, but even if it is a distressed soul, sold person who's behaving like an organic portals, you still can't help them. They have to... You can be a support system for them, but if it's abusive to you, if it's draining of your energy, you still have to put a boundary up. So don't freak out too hard if you think one of your family members... First of all, we can get deeper into this in the conversation. If you, again, go back and reread the Casio-Pian board, listen to what Mr. Fox had to say, he's gonna be coming back on again to go even deeper into this. Most of the time, sold people running families and organic portals running families, we can get into that too, because as you guys remember, organic portals, the more you raise in consciousness, the more they do try to come in to derail. So you could marry an organic portal on rare occasion and have children with them, but that does not mean your children are organic portals. They could be sold just like you. So just don't freak out too much. The Casio-Pian say we really don't have any rights to be labeling someone as an organic portal or not. The only reason why we're talking about this is because knowledge is power and knowledge protects. So the fact that you know this exists will help you be able to put boundaries up to protect yourself and to protect your energy. So with that being said, I'm just gonna go ahead and hand over to start with the microphone over to Kathy, because Kathy, your message that you left me was literally the whole point of us doing this episode. So let's start with that and let's let Kathy, how did this affect you? Okay. Great question. So thank you for putting it out there. I think for me personally what happened was over this like 20, 25 years of being on my own journey, and you know the feeling of you hear a piece here, you hear a piece there, you hear a word here, and then all of a sudden there's like this culmination of those things coming together and all of a sudden you have a picture or an image. It's like the light bulb moment of sitting up straight and you're on high alert. And that was sort of what it was for me. It was like a shit. Like I'm hearing these pieces and all of a sudden for whatever reason, I was ready to hear it in that moment where it painted a picture for me that deeply resonated. I had chills all over me as I was listening to the podcast. I was actually quite surprised. I wasn't prepared for that kind of reaction to organic portals because when I heard the word organic portals, I was leaning towards a positive indication. I was like, oh, what are we talking about trees? Like, what are you know? So it really, the content took me a little by surprise. I've heard the term backdrop people. And when Nicole was talking about the NPCs, it was like, oh, damn, that makes so much sense. But I wouldn't have attached the word organic portal to that. Let's pause on that. Cause I've gotten that question a lot. Like why are they called organic portals? And this is my perception of why they're called that by the Cassiopeans. It's the Cassiopeans that call them that. And you guys can give your interpretation as well. For me, it's their organic portals because they were all of us are portals, but they're organically portals because they don't. So for someone like one of us or for most of the people watching, if a fourth density negative being were to come in and try to manipulate and to control us, we would emotionally feel that friction. So there would be resistance. And Nicole and I were talking about this before you guys hopped on, like when we were filming, before we started filming. So if an organics job, when they are used by a fourth density negative being to come into, it's to derail you. And so they can be used because they don't have an emotional hierarchy to be able to say, oh my god, my actions are hurting somebody else. So the fourth density negative entities can organically use them with no problems. Where if they tried to use one of us, there would be lots of problems, lots of issues. So that's why I believe they're called organic portals. I don't know if you guys have anything to add to that. No, I agree. I mean, that makes sense. And what was happening for me once I understood what exactly you were talking about, I literally paused the video 30 times. I just kept pausing, and these encounters were coming straight to the forefront of my mind. And I have worked in my adult career with families, specifically young children, for 25 years. I mean, it's just been the line of work that I do. So I've encountered a lot of humans in different sectors and in different settings. And by the end of the video, in my pelvis region, I felt this movement, just like I could see the bowl of my pelvis for whatever reason. And literally, guilt and shame, representations of guilt and shame, were leaving my body. They literally had their little bags, and they were saying, well, the gig is up. She's onto us like it's not going to work anymore. And in that particular video, Nicole had mentioned the matrix trap of guilt and shame. And I just realized, even over the course of all the healing work I've done over 20, 25 years, every modality I've been through, every piece I've received through healers, there was that little lingering guilt of holding on to the responsibility of healing someone else, like holding on to that guilt and shame of, why couldn't I reach the heart of that person? Does that make sense? Yes. And it just vanished. It just, shit, I'm a cryer. You should know that. Cry to draw, listen. I'm crying for this. On camera, you're free to cry. It's cool. It's cool. I'm a double cancer within an Aquarius moon, so feelings are just my thing. But it was so freeing to be like, I can release myself. I can allow myself to feel the relief that all the work that there is for me to do is mine, to honor my past and my work and to go within and do my inner healing. It was just such a nail in the coffin of the guilt and shame that was lingering within me, if that makes sense. And the only way that I can truly be a helper is by helping myself, is by healing myself and permission to pour the work in where the work is going to be received, and not banging my little healer head against the wall, trying to help and save people that do not have the capacity. I mean, when I thought about this group of beings before, it was like, oh, they don't have the capacity right now. But if I just keep pouring in, eventually they'll be at a point of capacity. But what a freedom to go, nope. Like this is just a solid no. They don't have the capacity now, and they're not going to have it tomorrow. I can release them to their own archetype, release them to their own path, and just stay in my lane. And there was just immense freedom in that, if that makes sense. And that's why I think that's the biggest thing we wanted to, because we keep telling you, even for sold people, they have to help themselves. They have the oral material that's going to be released on Tuesday. I've already recorded it. There's a very powerful line where they say, do not take away somebody's right to suffer. And even for a distressed sold person, if you try to take away somebody's suffering, then you are taking away their catalyst point for ascension. So essentially what you're doing is stopping them. And so even for somebody who's sold, now with that being said, we don't want to intentionally inflict suffering on someone. We don't want to intentionally hurt other people. And we can be there for as a support system, for sold people who want the help. I know that as a yoga teacher myself, all I can do is be there to hold your hand and teach you the template. You have to be the one to do the work. Literally, you cannot do it for anybody else because it's an internal thing. Yeah, I agree. I think that for many, it has been a freeing moment because they have, like Kathy said, they have just felt like they failed. They failed that person and that their love or their commitment or their compassion or whatever it was that was driving them to want to help that individual get beyond this is really, and so it's so much of the matrix, right? Like we feel like we have to do for others before we do for ourselves. We're told that makes us selfish if we don't, if we do for ourselves first. But really the best thing you can do is heal yourself and then you're in a better position to offer help if it's needed and it can be helpful. But it's freeing to know that their path is actually separate and apart from yours. They were there in your being in that time for a purpose, but it's not to stay there and it's not to get you stuck there. You have to unstick yourself so you can continue to move on your path and them on theirs. And that's why some people have that convergence and some people have the divergent after the awakening because you may not be meant to be together for the long term. You were meant to be together for the lesson and that to me made a lot of sense for some of my own issues and instances in my life too. So I definitely resonate with what Kathy's saying. That's exactly what I'm going through right now. You know, all my life I thought you're supposed to forgive, forgive, forgive. Jesus forgave, gave how many times, how many times did he forgive? 70 times seven. We got a bunch of Southern girls in this video right now. We have a lot of vacation Bible school stories. Yeah, I can hear it. Oh God, if I didn't learn to forget, you know, if I'm like, you know, and so then I started saying like, so maybe 10 years ago I would say, well, forgiveness is free, but trust is earned. You know, I'd say that all the time. Now I'm like, I forgive you. Thank you for the lessons. Yeah. On your way. Well, I actually had a memory you guys and I put this in one of my videos. I can't remember what it might have been a half or one. So how, and I saw this a lot, this reaction a lot in the comment section. And I understand it because yeah, most of us, especially as Westerners grew up in some sort of a Christian based culture, I'll say. And I remember when I was in a youth group, there was this program they did through our youth group called the I am third program. They had posters, T-shirts, one, two, three, God first, other second, you third. So a very unimpressionable age you're being told to sacrifice yourself for others. Well, it makes sense. Okay, so if you were a fourth density negative being who needed to feed off of sold people and you know, and you're intelligence, you know that these sold people have empathy and compassion and you program them real young to think that self-sacrifice is the way to be a good person. Of course, the church is gonna teach that. But I guarantee you the real Yeshua would tell you to remove somebody from your life who was hurting you. Right. You know, and that's what we have to understand. And I'm that way with my father. And I went through trauma therapy in my early 30s. I made the decision that I could not have him in my life. Thank you for providing the DNA for me to have life. Yeah. I got it from here and that was, but I have been trained to believe that he was my father and you have to honor your mother and father. And so I needed to continue to put myself in a place of being abused by his wife. It's his wife really that made me go, nope. And I remember my dad's sister, my aunt said to me once at my grandparents house because something had happened and I was so upset. My dad's sister is a therapist and she sat down beside me and she said, I want you to understand that your relationship with your father is a one-way relationship. So she could see it. She could see that her brother was abusing his children, but his children kept coming back, coming back, trying to have a father, trying to fix it. And in reality, even as adults, it wasn't ever our responsibility to fix it. He's the father. And so when I went through my trauma therapy, with my therapist, I made the decision that it's not gonna happen. I mean, my stepmother already blocked my number for my dad's phone anyway, so it wasn't that hard. You know, I didn't deserve that. If my father wasn't gonna protect the little girl, his little girl, then me as an adult was gonna protect the little girl he didn't. And so I made that decision. And I have been a lot healthier of a person and a lot happier, right? And so we have to understand that. For those in the comment section, I want to reiterate as well. Now, first of all, I know we're skipping over a lot. So if you missed part one and part two and you're like, what the hell are these ladies talking about? You need to go back and watch part one and part two before you watch part three. I don't think we need to totally rehash everything. But again, you have to remember, organic portals do not have their upper chakras. So they do not have an emotional center. When an organic portal exits your life and you feel the pain of losing that person, don't project that pain on to them because they don't feel shit. They don't miss you. They don't care. They don't have Anahata. They don't know how to love. They only know how to need. Right. And I would add to that, that once you discover this, whichever being it is in your life, then you are presented with free-roll choice on how much you're gonna love yourself. Are you gonna love yourself enough to go ahead and cut that cord and heal the attachment and let it be? Are you just gonna keep chasing after, and like Cathy said, beat your head against the wall because that is a no-win situation. They do not have the opportunity or the capacity to ascend. So as much as you wanna pour into that vessel, it's got a huge hole in the bottom. It's gonna keep going through. It's wasted energy. And if you're gonna come back and say, why, why, why? Well, now you're just living in the pain, you know? So you have to decide whether you are worthy and deserving of being happy and being whole yourself on your own without that attachment. And once you cut it and you feel from it, that is when you can actually take the steps on your own where you feel the strength because you made it by yourself. And it builds your confidence and it builds your esteem to take the next step and you feel how good that feels. And you're no longer bouncing off of the shame and the blame game because you feel like you're not enough. All of a sudden, within your own power, you feel that you are enough. And that becomes your reality instead of chasing this never-ending story that really just loops around with more negativity. That really hit the time for me. Go ahead. It was just last night I was told by someone, you know? They said, what if I don't want to ascend? What if I just don't want to? What if I don't understand it and I don't really care to understand it? I was like, well, that's your choice, that's your choice. Yeah. Yeah. You have to be and speak about this. I don't know if it was read in Mr. Fox's episode or not, but they do speak about this. You cannot. So we know that in a great organic portal, we'll be able to eventually ascend if they are enveloped by a fourth density positive being. So we can't do that. Even if our souls are higher than third density, we're in a third density reality. So you can't literally forget it. You can't do anything about it. That's not your role in this, in this life. So eventually they will be able to grow a full soul. But the same can be said for sold beings who aren't ready to go to fourth density positive that they're not ready yet. They're still sold. And if we were to force, if we were to force everybody into fourth density positive, that would be us acting in a very satanic, negative selfish way. You can't expose a being to fourth density positive who's not ready for it. It will kill them. Yeah. And so we have to look at our own attachments. We have to look at our own selfishness. And do we really want our friends to ascend with us because we're worried about them or is it our own insecurity and attachment and codependency? And that's where our work needs to be. Because when you ascend to fourth density positive, you're gonna be with those. You're gonna be with your family, your people that you are like you. And it's gonna be a totally different world in the one more and now. And you are gonna be at a place to understand that those that didn't come with you, it just wasn't their time yet. But you will see them again eventually. They made the choice to go back and stay in third density because their soul needed it. They needed them more of the lessons. You know? And so we can't, we have to look at our own codependency when it comes to that. And yeah, I just, that was... I also wanna bring up to, it goes back to soul contracts. You know, I chose a very, very difficult nuclear family to learn my lessons from. And speaking for myself alone, I went through that journey and I cut that cord and I cut the attachments and I mourned them and I moved on and I felt great for it. And then Source decided for me, he would give them all a second chance. And they all were back in the light and had good souls and everything. Every single one of them made the free will choice to go back to their old ways, okay? So you just, even Source can't do it for you. Like that is like the big take home message here. Like you have to know, like your path is yours and yours alone. And we talk about frequency all the time in my channels and all that kind of stuff. And that frequency brings in your soul family. And that is your family. Those are the souls that you lean on. Those are the souls that you feel the connection with and that feed each other in a positive manner. And so the title, the label of mother, father, brother, sister, whatever, that doesn't necessarily mean that the soul within is a soul that's supposed to be with you. It's been good for you or that's been nurturing you or anything. They were there for a purpose and it might have not been a good one. They serve their purpose and you take your sovereignty, your soul, your lessons and you go the direction that you're supposed to go in and your soul thing that is supposed to be surrounding you will find you, you'll find each other. So it's not like, you know, people cut their cords and they realize that they're born into a whole family full of organic portals and they're alone. It's quite the opposite. I feel like those folks just kind of fall away as your soul family finds you. And then the connections that you have are just more meaningful because they actually fill your cup and they're people that you can resonate with and they're people that understand you just by being in your presence. You don't have to explain 45 years of your life for them to understand who you are. And on a soul level. And so it's much more meaningful. There's another question. Oh, sorry, Cathy, go ahead. Just gonna say, I think that was part of like the freedom that I felt was I've been in a row of potential, you know, for the last 25 years of similar to you, Bryce and your dad, I've been estranged from my mother for many, many years out of my own, you know, mental health and safety. And so that experience of the expression of like, though none go with me, still I'm gonna go. Like still I'm gonna go within. Still I'm going to honor this that you couldn't see for whatever reason that you couldn't celebrate. And that last little twinge of guilt and shame that left the body for me was also simultaneously like opened up the window of potential. Like the possibility of I can't receive if my hands are clenched with a white knuckling grip around that, which it's not only serves me, but is draining me, right? It's like, I, you know, I have a history of moving through the 12 steps a couple of times. This idea of like white knuckling something, right? The holding onto that, which harms me because I'm afraid of just being empty and voided of just opening up in the release of not knowing what is going to come. It's like, I'll just hold on to the shitty familiar versus opening. Kathy, I see that all the time in yoga, people come into the Shala and they want to change. But as the work starts, they'd rather hold on to the suffering that they know versus the unknown with the healing. That's right. And I think that's why people get caught in these cycles. Now, two things I wanted to say quickly before I forget. If there was a comment about whether organic portals reincarnate, yes. If you go back and listen to Mr. Fox's episode, I said yes and somebody commented no, they don't. I said no, yes, yes, they do. They do reincarnate because they're not completely without a soul. They have a little bit of a soul, right? They've been around longer than we have, OK? So they do reincarnate. That's how they have the option to eventually be enveloped by a fourth density higher being and be able to join us in the higher dimensions, right? So they do reincarnate. Also, I wanted to go back and talk about the why me, why me, why me. Because I know a lot that we do get stuck in that realm of self-pity sometimes, which is very low vibrational, which is what the darkness loves because that's what they feed off of. I'm going to tell you guys a story. My aunt, my mom's sister, I believe she was 42 when she passed away, which is wild to me because I'm 40 now. When she passed away, I thought she was like older. But now I'm like, holy crap. She was so young. She passed away of cancer. She was born with kidney failure. She had a kidney transplant in her early 20s. Told she never have children. She had two healthy children. And she ended up having a blood transfusion with one of her operations. And this was before they checked the blood. And so she contracted hepatitis from the blood transfusion. So she was just sick, a lot of her life, very sick. And she ended up, when she was diagnosed with cancer, she was going in for just a regular check up for the hepatitis that she had contracted to the blood transfusion. And they found the cancer. And they were shocked that she hadn't been complaining about any of the aches and pain she was feeling. But she'd been sick her whole life, so she was used to it. And right before she passed away, when she was, if you've seen anybody die of cancer, which most people have, it's a horrific way to watch somebody die. And my mom said she was with my aunt. And she was like, Mary Jo, do you just ever think, why me? Like your whole life, you've been sick. Do you ever just sit there and go, why me? It just makes me emotional. My aunt goes, why not me? Why not me? And so when we sit around and we think about why us, 50% of the Earth's population are organic portals. And when we work on ourselves, they do tend to come in more rapidly towards us. Why me? Why me? Well, why not? Because if you play it right, even though the fourth density negatives are using those to try to derail you, with information like this, you can use it now to better yourself. Does that make sense? Yeah. And us with the soul that chose to come down here, we coordinated that effort. We coordinated those beings to come in there and give us those speed bumps in life. And so I remember you asking myself, like, what lesson am I not getting? Well, why do I keep attracting these people long before I was ever on this journey? I felt like I was on a spiritual roller coaster and I couldn't get off. And now, obviously now we know so much more. And that's why we do these videos. Because the me 10 years ago would have really appreciated seeing this then, although I wouldn't have processed it probably as well as I do now. But it definitely gives, I feel like, context to the chaos. Because there's a lot of times that you cannot make sense of why you feel like I've done things correct. I've done the right things. And these things still keep happening. Well, if it keeps coming back around, it's because you really haven't picked up the lesson you're supposed to. And I find most of the time, the lesson is that you matter more. You matter more than all the things that you're trying to give to the other soul, the other person, the other being. You're making them more important than you. And in that moment, you do matter. And whenever you finally get that, you matter more, then you'll be rewarded and you'll get off that loop. Of course, we'll say, OK, we'll check that box. We'll move on to the next trial. Well, it's so funny. I mean, we were talking, you know, the loop, the constant loop. We're talking about learning lessons. And again, I'm going to tell you guys, the more you ascend, the more if you sign up to take yoga or do a shadow work or, as Mr. Fox said, read the things like the Cassiopeans or the Law of One, are you, they're going to be sent to you. Just know that. There's no third density world where they are not going to be sent to you because these fourth density negative beings want their job. This was a game of Pac-Man, like their job is to come in and try to block you. But if you understand that and you can disconnect the lesson of giving too much to someone else where you don't matter, it doesn't stop them from coming. But I already know once one organic portal leaves, another one's going to enter. Just wait. And I already know the next one, I spotted it from a mile away. I just got rid of one organic portal. And now another one just popped its head in. Now it's talking to my boyfriend about it. And what's that term in psychology with narcissists? Is it called gray walling? I'm just going to gray wall them. He's just real boring. When they ask me a question, they're like, gray rocking. That's it. I always think I can't remember that term. She'd be like, real boring. I'm going to be like, yeah. No. Maybe. Maybe. I'm just going to be, I'm not going to invest any emotion into them because if you can't understand the concept of organic portals, then you look up narcissism. Because organic portals give away the same narcissistic tendencies. Now, this is the perfect example of what's called a distressed soul. There is a person on YouTube. I love his channel. I will put it down in the description box. He himself is a recovering narcissist. He's a rare narcissist, which is very, very rare. Rare narcissist will never. So to me, I was thinking about that. I was like, oh, he's a distressed soul person. Because he's in therapy, he doesn't want to be this way. He's married. He's got three kids in his videos. He talks about how he works really, really hard. And he talks about the behavior patterns of a narcissist. And he talks about why they do that and how he's working with this therapist to change those patterns because he doesn't. What's the key thing? He feels bad. He doesn't want to hurt his family. He doesn't want to be this way. And he's humble enough to put himself on YouTube. And he's making these videos because he doesn't want other women getting involved with narcissists. He does red flag videos. He has other people come on and ask questions. I've watched some of his lives where women will come on and ask questions. And he'll be like, you need to end this relationship now. So that in my mind, I'm like, OK, thank you, spirit. That is not an organic portal. That is a distressed soul person who is doing their own work to come out of that cycle. So if you're having a hard time with the organic portal thing, look at narcissistic abuse. They behave the same way as if they near you. They don't have a sense of self. So that's another reason most therapists will be like, you need to get yourself away from this person. This is not healthy for you to be involved with this. They're feeding off of you. They're taking your energy. They have the propensity to do what's called sabotaging you. So if I was in a relationship with a narcissist for a very long time, and so if he knew I had to get up early to go to Mysore, he would have the music blaring in the house until like 1 o'clock in the morning. Yeah. What normal soul person would do that shit? If you know your partner has to get up early, you would be respectful of that. Yes. So I'm going to pop out just because these people are making a lot of noise. I keep having to escape. Oh, we can't hear anything. Well, OK. Unless you want to pop out, you can. But I want you to. Do you like to hear any kind of noise? I don't hear anything. OK. All right. All right. They're just clanging tables around and stuff. You know, they're sabotaging. Breaking down the food and wine festival and then getting ready for the next event here. Well, I know you've been moving around a lot, but I know that you've gone through a lot of these things too in your life. Do you want to share some of your experiences? Well, you're a lighthearted one, maybe. So I got some things going on, but I'm not really ready to go that deep today. But just stay here at this festival. I do a lot of these events where I'm in front of people. And I got to talk to one kid today named Jordan. And immediately, like I just knew he had a soul. We just had the best conversation. And I said to him, I said, you are not a organic portal. And he knew exactly what I was talking about. And he was like, you're beautiful. I mean, this kid was like 20. I was like, thank you so much. So are you. But real soul people can talk to each other like that. It's different. It's not like a jealousy thing. It's not like when you tell somebody that they're beautiful. Like he wasn't saying, you're hot. He was saying, you are beautiful. Your soul is beautiful. We had this recognition immediately because he sold, and I'm sold as a ULED. Whereas a lot of the folks here today, that's like, get me out of here. They're talking about really just, I heard one man standing right in front of my table. And I'm like, please move. The whole time he was just talking about how Johnny, he's now making 600 grand a year. He's just making too much money. And he didn't know what to do with it. Blah, blah, blah, blah, it's like, it's so, it's so expensive. Yeah. Yeah, it reminds me of the word depravity. Like when I think of so much of my personal work and then interpersonal work with other humans has been around the narcissist and the empath. I am deeply, deeply fascinated by this relationship dynamic. But when I encounter people the way that Angie is describing, the feeling that comes up for me is this depravity, like this emptiness that nothing can fill up. And it almost brings up compassion. Because to me, it just sounds so empty. These things that we try to attach to as meaningful to validate or to offer a value to who we are, it just feels depraved. And so I think that's something else that this conversation is doing for me is when I encounter these kinds of, whether it's a narcissistic personality disorder in human or whether it's an organic portal, that it's not personal. Like it's not about has nothing to do with me, right? Has nothing to do with my personhood or who I really am. It is about them and their depravity. Does that make sense? Absolutely. Well, that's the ego, right? Because they can't just like a narcissist and organic portal does not have a sense of self. There's no, they have no ability to go inside themselves and to feel a sense of who they are. And it's hard to explain what that is. And so they define themselves by their ego. For us who are sold people, S-O-U-L-E-D, there's something, there's more than just this life. We can identify the ego as the false sense of self. For someone who has no sense of self though, the ego isn't the false sense of self. It's the only sense of self that they have. For someone like us, we don't judge our value as a human being by how much money is in our account or what accolades we've gotten in our life. You could be proud of that, but you know also, it's not really who you are. Who you are is something so much deeper. There's something you can rest in it. Mr. Fox says that a lot in our conversations in the past I've known him for a very long time where he talks about being able to rest in yourself. Being able to like spend time by yourself and rest in who you are, right? It's like, for me at least, like times in my life when I've been really distraught, whether it's through going through a breakup or like black magic, I don't know. And I'm like really upset and emotional. There's always a small part of me that understands deep within that this is gonna pass. And this is just a moment in time where I don't think organic portals have that ability to have that dichotomy of understanding if that makes sense. Which if you look at it from the yoga perspective or the Eastern philosophy, prakriti parusha, an organic portal is not really gonna have a parusha. So they only have the prakriti. They only have the hologram. That's all they have. And so you see people, and I wanna make it very clear you guys, like so what Angie's saying, like the law of one and the Cassiopeians have been very clear right now on the earth plane, there are no new souls. There are no young souls. So what Angie's saying, like people like that might, you could say, oh, there are new soul. No, not right now, not on earth plane. Every soul that's here right now is every sold being. Whether that sold being is actively going service to self, the negative, because that's what there are sold beings who are choosing to go negative or choosing to go positive are all high priority souls, meaning that they're ready to harvest, ready to graduate. So most likely someone who is vapid who doesn't have that dichotomy, either they haven't had their awakening yet and they are a distressed sold being or they are organic portal. Now with that being said, again, we share this just for you to understand as, so you have that liberation. So you have that understanding. This isn't for us to go around and start labeling people. You know, the Cassiopeians are very clear about that is you really don't know 100% because you don't know what that, you know, if it is a distressed soul, that distressed soul is in their catalyst moment and you cannot interrupt that, right? If that makes sense. So I hope that makes sense. Yeah, I think that the genuine sold people are able to ground themselves where if you lost all of your material things, you lost your house, your car, your job, your, the things that other people, that's all they have to identify themselves with. You're still very confident in who you are and the value you have as a being where the ones that don't have that, they have lost everything because they never had any value without the things, the person, the place and the things that they compare their life to. And I'll say, I was out with my boyfriend this past week. We were hiking and I, we were chit chatting about the private school that I went to and I grew up and we were just talking about different people and we were talking about wealthy, really wealthy people. And I was saying that there, and I was thinking about it, there's a family, a lot of the kids that I grew up with were really, came from really great families and very wealthy, but very, I would say they're definitely sold people. And I was talking about this one family that I knew growing up who owned, I'm not gonna say the factory that they own, it's a big, if I said them, everybody would know it, it's a, we see it all over the grocery stores, it's processing factory, very wealthy, millions and not billions, you know? And I was telling my boyfriend, I was like, but I really, I like them so much because the mom who's kid in my class would show up at this like swanky private school with the lake with swans in like umbrellas and a T-shirt in the 90s with like no makeup on. Like she had no, there was no sense of like, I'm better than you, there was no hoity-toidiness, like it was, and that family would create scholarships for all these inner city kids to go to my private school and they would pay for them to go to college. They did a lot with what they were given to try to help people. And I always loved that family because you could just sit with them and you never felt like they were judging you when you had conversations with them, it always felt very genuine. There was never any like nothing, but their money didn't mean anything to them only that it was just an access to help the world. Right, right. I used to say that years ago, I would say, I just wish I'd come into a huge inheritance so I could give it all away. And that was like back when I was in my 20s, you know, or maybe even before that. And it's not to like pat myself on the back, but I mean, that's just what it made me think of was really meaning that for real, you know? Well, that's a good exercise. Like to think about like, if you were to tomorrow win like 200 million dollars in a lot of real, let's say. Yeah, everybody's life is gonna change. Okay, we're probably gonna go buy a new car, you're probably gonna like fix your house, you know, maybe go on a trip, cool, enjoy it. But is who you are going to change? No, no. You know, the root of who you are is probably, I'd probably still be wearing yoga pants every day. Like I stopped wearing underwire bras in my 20s and I will never go back to underwire bras again. I don't care how much, how fancy, any of that money is, but you know, so that's a good way to think about it. So I think Nicole, oh, wants to pop out for a dog. So that's cool. So yeah, so yeah, I hope, is there anything else you ladies want to add to round up this conversations? We've been on about an hour now. Is there anything else you want to add? It's been an hour, just real quick. I just came out the hill, you know, bringing my festival stuff up earlier. I loaded all this stuff in this morning at like 730, eight o'clock and nobody helped me. All these men, they just watched me. And sorry, I'm not crying. I'm just out of breath because I'm having a shake. But I'd come up hill. I just, right now while you were talking, looked over and I thought somebody had stolen a lot of my products. No, a sold being carried this stuff up here to the top of the hill for me. And I just noticed it. Yay. I was about to say, listen, all three of us on the screen and Nicole, she had to go take her off from the South. But that surprises me. That surprises me too, because men in the South many times. I thought somebody stole my shelf. I thought somebody stole my barbecue sauces. No, they didn't have to take the hill from me. And God, that's a good, listen, God bless the soul. If I ever end up with a man who's not from the South, I'm going to have to just tell you what's expected of you. That's right. Men in the South, they're raised, like you, a woman does not carry anything. When I pack my suitcases, I do not carry those suitcases to the car. My boyfriend does it. Yeah. Listen, and I'm shocked. When I first moved to LA, well, I kind of thought in school in London too, but more so in LA where men were like, wouldn't you be carrying these heavy bags and a man would just stare at you and I'd be like, you son of a bitch. You need, where's your chivalry? And then I was working as other guy. There's a guy I worked with. He was from a town in Georgia near I grew up and we didn't know each other, but we met each other at work. And I saw such a difference because if a woman came in with a bunch of stuff, he'd come in and immediately start to help her. Listen, men who are not from the South, it is a sign of respect to a woman. If you want to show a woman you respect her, she don't carry shit. That's right. You open that damn door for her, okay? Listen, the high school, that's the one good thing I will say about the high school I went to. If a female teacher entered the classroom to speak to the other teacher, the boys would have to stand up. If a female entered the room. Listen, men, I'm just gonna say, if you want to get laid by your wife's even more, just act like a Southern man. Every time she enters the room, carry her bags for her. You walk to that car door. My boyfriend still opens. He'll open the car door for me. Every time we go, he'll open the door for me. Yeah. You show her. We've been married 17 years. Same. There's the call. Everything's... Yeah. Listen, we're just talking about, so that Angie was saying that all these men, which is shocking in the South, like watched her set up this morning and didn't even offer to help, which is very shocking in the South. But then some nice person, probably a man, moved all her equipment for her to pack up without even telling her. When my parents got divorced, I still, I remember this week, because we get bad tornadoes here in the South, and there was this big tornado that came through, and the roof on our back porch flew up and over our house and into the front yard, and knocked a tree down. And my mother, everyone in the neighborhood knew my parents were getting divorced, so my dad wasn't around. And so the next morning without my mother even having to ask, all the men in the neighborhood were in our front yard cleaning it up for her. Yeah. Right? That's people who have empathy and know what to do to help. They knew my dad wasn't around. And so they went and did it for my mom. So my mom would not have to do it as a woman, a single woman with two daughters. So, you know. Very much like the Southern version of like the barn raising, right? Like I grew up in a really small town in Southeast Georgia. And they had that sort of barn raising mentality of, oh, I heard so-and-so down the road, lost some cows. It was just an automatic reaction to, you know, the men going out and helping or taking care, providing. For the community. And those are just what sold people do. Like whoever started the Southern culture of men being chivalrous to women, that was a sold person who loved his wife and respected his daughters. And I will say people may find this out, but the South was one of the first areas of the world to allow women to inherit. If a woman was born to a wealthy family, it was her husband who would inherit her part of the estate. But the South was the first to say, not only are we gonna open the doors for our women and carry their bags for them, but my daughter's gonna inherit my estate without her husband having to be involved. So, listen man, I'm telling you, if a man is watching who is not from the South, you wanna get laid more, you just buy yourself a Southern etiquette book. And don't be fake about it, be real, be genuine. Cause that's women know, we know, we know when a man is really being chivalrous versus just trying to get something, you know? And if you've been in a marriage for a long time, that's probably gonna put the spark back in your marriage. If you actually treat your wife like she's the queen. The queen. The queen. The queen. Oh, listen. Listen. Lord. One of the best things I heard a man say that he figured out with his wife, cause women like them, we like to vent sometimes, right? Whenever his wife starts coming to him with a problem, he says, all right, are you venting or do you want advice? And she'll answer, and if she goes, I'm just venting, he goes, okay, come on, tell me, tell me. That will solve like 99% of all fights if you just start implementing, like, are you venting or do you want advice? Because if we're venting, we don't want advice. My husband will say, is, are you, am I fixing something? He's like, what do you want me to do here? I'm like, just listen. Like what he said, I'm just running my mouth. There's no fixing, but he'll ask, what am I doing here? What's, am I fixing something for you? And I'm like, no. And that's a great, so when people actually care about that communication, that's another sign of a soul person, that they actually care about having proper communication and proper understanding of what you need from them in that partnership of a marriage or a relationship. So, you know, is there anything, Nicole, I know you popped off, we're about at an hour. Is there anything that you want to end off with on this part three round table of our organic portal discussion? I'll just say that the people that I've encountered, their reactions have been very positive too, because it was information that really helped them make sense of the chaos that they've been enduring for a long time. And I'm super proud of every single person that was able to, you know, evaluate a difficult situation and choose themselves, choose the health of your own soul and recognize that you deserve the love and the care and the compassion that you've been pouring into other people that that's a lost cause right there. Like you are the one that you have to do that for. And so I commend everyone that has to go down that journey because it's not easy, but the reward on the other side I think is very, very much worth it. Sorry, I was about to say, we'll put, we'll put, we'll put Angie's FicklePickle website down in the description box below. People will be like, I got sick watching them move when I'm there. Also the photo's just moved. Yeah, I want to reiterate that too. That's the biggest thing. Do not mourn these people. They are not mourning you. They don't have the capacity to just let it go. Yeah, cut the cord, heal the attachment, move on down the road of the, I call it the Ascension Highway. Jump back on the Ascension Highway. More tumbleweeds, more forks are gonna come across that highway and when you see it, you just be like, I see you. I see you coming. Once you see it coming, you can be like, oh, we're not doing this again. We're not tangoing this again. I see you for who you are. Watch out for the love bombing. Watch out for the mirroring. Watch out for any type of having to walk on eggshells. You know, watch out for that. Like, and if something doesn't feel right in your relationship, it probably isn't. It doesn't mean that person is necessarily organic portal, but you have to take, and no, I want everybody to understand, to really understand that when you have a spiritual awakening, it is not about rainbows and sunshine. Some people still are not quite grasping that. When you spiritually awaken, the first thing that's gonna happen for a very long time is a buttload of shit and darkness. It's like taking that damn black pill. So, you know, do not be expecting there to be this, like all of a sudden, everyone's just beautiful and nice. Do not make excuses for people. I see that a lot with people who are sold beings, they'll start to make excuses for people's behavior. Oh, she behaves this way because she had a traumatic childhood. So did a lot of us, right? Doesn't give anybody the excuse to be an asshole. And if they are a distressed old person, you still have to put your boundaries up because they need to have their little moment to have their catalyst, right? Yeah. They are a sold person and they are a good person and they go through that change. It sounds like menopause of the change. They will come back to you and that relationship can be resurrected, right? So, but if they're meant to be there, they'll come back and find you whenever they've done their work on themselves. And you can tell the ones that want to do the work on themselves, like they take it seriously. And then you can tell the ones that are really digging their heels in with escapism because they're like, love and light, I'm gonna hold space for you. Okay. Yeah. Let me, yeah, yeah, yeah. Listen, yeah. That's great. Can we move on from there? Because we've been holding a whole lot of space lately. That's not, yeah, yeah. It's so funny, Mr. Fox one day and we were out walking around and Mr. Fox was saying some really cool things because you know, fourth density, so third density is the density of choice. And he talks about this in the part two of the organic portals. Fourth density, I think is of what love and then like fifth is wisdom. And so a lot of us that are here as wonders, which we'll talk about in the law of one episode commited from fourth, fifth or sixth density. The Cassiopean said most of us are fifth or sixth density and Yeshua was actually fourth density. So a lot of us came here higher vibrational than Yahshua. So what happens with fourth and Mr. Fox was saying that he thinks he can recognize people who are sold beings who do kind of float around the love and light, he thinks they come from fourth density. Whereas people like us that are a little bit more like understanding of darkness are from fifth or sixth where it's wisdom, where there's an element of wisdom. But the polarity of fourth density positive from what I understand is when it gets to the end of its cycle, when they realize love and light becomes its own friction and polarity because you can't ignore, you can't just bury your head in the sand and ignore the darkness. You have to use the darkness for its purpose to give you that wisdom. So that's when fifth and sixth, you get into the realm of wisdom. So yeah, I thought that was very interesting. So yeah, and a lot of organic portals will also play on the love and light thing because if you start to point things out to them to hold them accountable, they're gonna tell you you're just negative and that's because they can't do that work to find that accountability. Also, organic portals are very, there are a lot of them in the spiritual world. Some of them thrive in the spiritual world because they're mirroring, they're playing the part of the spiritualist and they're probably telling you what you wanna hear versus what you need to hear. Right? So watch people who mirror and regurgitate. Now, learning from people and saying, I've learned this lesson from this person is one thing, but then just mirroring and regurgitating what somebody else has said is not the work that needs to be done, if that makes sense. So anyway, ladies, so any closing statements before we sign off? I just wanna say thank you for letting me hang out with you. Anytime, Kathy. I had a glass. I joked with Bryce. She sent me the image of the thumbnail that she was gonna use and I was like, oh, I feel very humbled and fraudulent. Like, please don't consider me as smart and talented as these ladies. Oh, I've got Kathy. Kathy's in our signal group and you are one of the most, you are such a wordsmith. You are able to write things and say things in such an eloquent way. So I am honored to have you here on this panel and we're all just, I mean, literally, Angie, I'll cut this out if you want me to, but we met, you met Kathy while you were peeing. So, I loved it. I don't care. I love it. I was like, I wish you were crying right now because this just shows how real these ladies are. She's like, nice to- It's right in the bondage. It's like peeing in the woods, we're bonded. That's good, yeah. Right, that's right. I would have peed out here behind the pine tree, but there were boats going by and I'm on a point. It's like a- Like a- I haven't been to Georgia in so long, but the pine trees are, I haven't been back to Georgia in a while, but the pine trees, I just, oh God, I just- Girl, that might have picked up your pickle business if he just- He said pickle. It's like a little show. Pick your own. Pick your own. It's a marketing. That'd be some great marketing, girl. I would pick that too. It could be in the cup. Beautiful. I could have gone under one of my tables. That table costs all the way to the ground. Now that you've already peed. Now that you've already peed, yeah. So many ideas. These are, these are, these are, I would say these are Western world problems because I've had to pop a squat in India many a time, so. Yeah. So, yes, you guys. So hopefully we'll probably be doing way more episodes on this as more and more and more comes out. I know, thank you guys for all the positive response to Mr. Fox. Just to answer a few questions about him before we talk with him again. He does not have any social media of his own. The only social media that he has is his business social media, which I'm not gonna say what that is because he does have a lot of employees and we want to, and this is a very controversial topic, which is why he chose to say anonymous. I told him I got a lot of emails with women saying Mr. Foxy and asking they said by his voice, he sounded very gentle and sexy. I can confirm he is very sexy, but he is not available. He has a family, so. So, sorry, but he is a very, he is a very sold being himself and he is very kind being. He's very good with children, very good with animals and his employees love him. He's a very good employer. And again, that is the reason why he chose to stay anonymous is because he wants to protect. He doesn't want to talk about controversial things with his jeopardizing, not just his business, but his employees too. So, very honorable. So he will be back though. I talked to him today. He is preparing for a Law of One episode and I'm actually gonna be doing another mystery, a global mystery. I'm not gonna say what it is now with him, where the Cassiopeans actually told us what happened and it's fascinating. So we're gonna be doing that filming that soon too. So, yeah. So, all right you guys, but if you do have questions for Mr. Fox, because I got that a lot because he has such a wealth of information, you can email your questions to me at esotericatlanta at gmail.com. Just put Mr. Fox in the subject line and I will forward them to him. Again though, don't ask him on a date. He's already got a family. You'll get rejected. He's got a family, guys. So anyway, anyway, well, we love you guys and we will all talk to you very soon. Bye everybody. I love you too.