 We take questions? Yeah, and if we don't get questions, we can't always. So, yeah, we can talk more. No, no, we want questions. We want questions. And it opened it up. I mean, I think we're willing to take questions on anything discussed today or any of the issues that were raised today, so feel free. So I want to go back to Dr. Brooks point about the family and how there may not be an evolutionary desire to jump in and save your kid from the pool who's drowning. But I think in terms of people in general, part of me wonders if there's an element of tribalism that is inevitable, because even before the capacity to reason or philosophy, people still formed groups or humans still form groups in order to survive. So I want to ask all the panelists, is there an element of this that is inevitable, an element of tribalism that is inevitable, or does that ultimately reduce back to the individual? Anyway, I just was wondering about that. I mean, I would say I don't think of it as it's inevitable and certainly in a modern context where your parents are choosing to have kids. It's a chosen, and it should be at least a chosen relationship from the child's perspective. Yeah, you didn't choose to be born or conceived, but it's, so I don't think of it as at all as there's no necessarily tribal relationship in human affairs when you're talking about individuals that have the power of choice and some recognition that they have the power of choice and some ability to exercise that power. They often can descend into a tribal kind of, it's our family right or wrong, but there's no reason it has to start like that. I think for many families it doesn't, it's not like that, it never was like that. I think tribalism is a default. It's what people default to when they don't reason and when they don't recognize themselves as individuals. That makes sense. Because if you're relying on emotions rather than reason, because that's the only choice you have, right, to see their emotions or reason, then if you can't think, then life is scary and I think people get scared when they're not reasoning and the tribe is a way for them to get comfort, not to eliminate the fear, because the fear still exists, but to get comfort from other people who are afraid like them. So I don't think it's genetic. I think it's a default of not thinking and therefore looking for a group to shield you from reality which is now the enemy because you're not using your mind to actually engage with reality. Yeah, the only thing I would say, and it's kind of murky even in my own mind, but I would say something like this. To the extent that there's any physical or physiological, just natural inclination in human beings to be tribal, that's kind of pre-tribal or pre-the concept of tribal and as we talk about tribal today, we're talking about making a choice because we have free will. We choose who we associate with and on what grounds and even how we think of ourselves and what do I identify with? So in that sense, I completely agree, there's nothing inevitable about our being tribalists and I think it's dangerous to, I mean, it's good to raise this question and this issue and to try to sort out what I've only said, merkily, but I think there's something to be, anyway, I won't repeat myself. Thank you. Greg? Yeah, so there's a lot of discussion about dealing with the parent-child relationship but almost all from the child perspective and so, Iran, since you're a parent of grown kids, I wonder if you could share a few thoughts on your perspective on that as a parent that might be helpful for all the rest of us who aren't thinking of it from the perspective of relating to our parents. I was trying to avoid doing that. Thank you, Greg. Yeah, I mean, I'd echo some of what Ankar said. Being a parent is really, really hard and it's really hard to know if the way you're treating your kids is right or not. You're constantly second-guessing yourself. It's really stressful and hard so it brings out a lot of emotions which are challenging. You're learning on the job. There's no course you take in advance. It's the hardest thing, in many respects, it's the hardest thing. Certainly emotionally, it's the hardest thing you will ever do and then, as Harry always reminds us, these things have free will and so there's no guarantee that even if you do the best job in the world, they will actually turn out to be good human beings. There's zero guarantee of any of that. So it can be quite frustrating, particularly as they're older. I always tell, I mean, I think of it as this way, you can't have kids with the idea of, yeah, one day they'll grow up and then I'll enjoy them because we'll have this great relationship because you don't know that. You better enjoy the kids when they're kids. You better like babies. Yeah, Harry's turning away. I've got a good Harry baby story. You better like kids. You better enjoy the process of being a parent and engaging with the kids. Now, my kids are gonna watch this and they're gonna say, oh, my dad hates us now so. But no, you better enjoy that because there are no guarantees in terms of what's gonna happen later on. Now, hopefully you have a great relationship with afterwards but you might not, right? You might not or it might be not as good as, you can't have this trade. I'm sacrificing for 18 years so that one day, I'm investing for 18 years so that one day I have a great relationship. That is really, you know, and again, it's hard work. And I think, unfortunately, most parents go into it not realizing it, not expecting it, not thinking about it and not planning for it. It really has to be something you consciously think about, plan for and do purposefully. I say this when my first kid was an accident but we intended to have kids so the timing was more the accident than the intention. And we gave it a lot of thought and I read tons of books, all of Montessori's books and all kinds of books, some of them were good, some of them were crap but you have to take it seriously. It's a massive, massive investment of money and time and emotional energy more than, you know, and thought and everything that's engaged with it. And then, of course, when they become teenagers and there is this natural tendency to they want to be independent and they don't know exactly how to be independent so there's definitely a rebellion. And as well as you raise them, at least my experiences, there's this period where they want to rebel so sometimes it lasts very short, sometimes it lasts a lot longer. And it's, again, it's very, very challenging to figure out how to deal with that and then as they become adults, my kids are adults, they're older than you guys, what is your relationship exactly with them? Again, they can behave like kids and you don't want them as a parent, you don't want them, you want them to be independent but on the other hand, you want to help them. All of these choices are not easy and I'm sure I've made a gazillion mistakes in the process and you have to constantly reevaluate and then are they any good? You know, you have to judge, just like you as children have to judge your parents. You as parents have to judge your kids at some point, you know, what kind of relationship do you want to have with your kids? And that's not necessarily easy to do in terms of being objective about it, right? You've in a sense invested 18 years of, you know, and there's an emotional investment and it's very difficult. And then if you have more than one kid, it's judging them as individuals and not as my kids, right? They always say, who do you love more, right, daddy? But you have to be objective about who do you love more and what is your relationship with each one and how do you, your relationship is not gonna be the same, they're two different individual people, in my case too. You know, so it's an amazing experience. I mean, it's the greatest thing, it's amazing, it's a great challenge, it's exciting. I enjoyed the whole parent thing, I enjoyed them at every age, I love babies, I love little kids, in a sense I enjoyed them more when they were babies than maybe when they were teenagers. But you know, it's an incredibly satisfying and wonderful, fantastic experience and you have to really embrace it and love it, but it's a challenge. Like everything in life that's worthwhile, there's a challenge involved, it's not that it's hard, it's just challenging and interesting and exciting and you have to figure stuff out and you make mistakes and you get up and you make it better and you're constantly engaged with the activity. And I think the choice not to have kids is if you don't wanna do all that and that's a legitimate rational choice, but it's, so I don't know, that's some thoughts on it, you could probably say a lot more, but.