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Bill Maher had to apologize this week for using the N-word on his HBO show. Apparently, it's the second time he's used the N-word. I guess a few years ago, he said it on Larry King, look, I'm not African American. I don't get to say whether or not somebody can or can't say the N-word. The N-word belongs to African Americans. The white man took jazz. We took rock from the black man. Let the African Americans keep the N-word for themselves. To me, the N-word is like Holocaust jokes. The only people who get to make Holocaust jokes are Jews. We own Holocaust jokes along with all the banks. That's another joke only Jews can make. I worked for Bill Maher for many years. I know he's the farthest thing from a racist. In fact, what little I know of the man, he thinks he's black. I think he's been around black people so much and has gotten so comfortable around black people. I think he thought he earned the right to say the N-word. For years, one of my sons thought he was black. All his friends were black. He dressed black. He talked black. For all intents and purposes, my son was black, especially because he actually was black. I mean, I really think he was somebody else's kid. No, he was not black. But my son thought he was black. Then one day his best friend, who really is black, one day his best friend was sitting in his car. The cops in LA wanted to know why my son's black friend was sitting in his car. He said, I'm just sitting here thinking. The LA cops responded as they would to any African-American sitting in their car who's just thinking. They told him to get out of the car, stop thinking. And without a warrant, they frisked him. They searched his car. They found medical marijuana in the glove compartment. He showed them the card. It was perfectly legal. But they arrested him anyway. My son's black friend spent a week in lock-up in Los Angeles because he couldn't afford bail. And after a week, the judge released him. Nobody apologized. The cops did their job because in Los Angeles it is the cops' responsibility to grab all young black men and put them in the system, handcuff them, fingerprint them, have them smile for a mugshot, create a file so that they can have a black man in their system. That's when my son realized that he's not black. In Los Angeles, you know if you're black or not. And if you accidentally forget you're black, the police will remind you. Another black friend of one of my sons was staying in our house. And this is true. The cops in LA tried to arrest my son's black friend who was living in our house. They tried to arrest him for opening the front door of the house. He was coming home and they tried to arrest him. They wanted to know what he was doing. He said, I'm trying to come home. And the cops in front of our house where my son's friend lived, the cops insisted that he show them ID. He showed it. He had a show ID to come home. Eventually, my son came down the stairs and asked the police why they were hassling his friend and the police could not have been more polite to my white son. They explained he was walking suspiciously. That's why they stopped him. And once again, as the police smiled at my white son as they continued to ask questions to his black friend who lived with us, my white son was reminded that he is not black. A similar thing happened to Professor Henry Louis Gates. He was the Harvard professor trying to come home late one night to Cambridge, Massachusetts. He'd been filming something for the PBS. This was about eight years ago and a white Cambridge, Massachusetts police officer saw Professor Henry Louis Gates, saw him opening the front door to his own home and the officer arrested him. A black professor in Cambridge, Massachusetts, Henry Louis Gates was arrested by a white police officer in Cambridge, Massachusetts. A liberal bastion. It's where Harvard is. The white police officer arrested Professor Henry Louis Gates for the mere crime of coming home. Barack Obama was new in the White House and so he held a beer summit between Henry Louis Gates and the officer who arrested him. That was eight years ago. President Obama thought all we needed to do in America was share a beer and we could all get along. But then the iPhone began to have video cameras and suddenly white people discovered and maybe even Barack Obama discovered that the police do more than just arrest black men. If you're black, you're lucky if the police just arrest you. There's a good chance they might kill you. The iPhone has taught white people what black people have known for centuries. So what about the N-word? What about Bill Maher using the N-word? It's just a word, right? Well, not really. I don't say it. People say to me, you know, saying the N-word is worse than saying the actual word it represents and I disagree. I refuse to say the N-word. Unless of course I stub my toe. Unless of course I stub my toe, then I have no choice. I think it's really funny that a guy who's just politically correct all his life, but whenever he stubs his toe, he screams the N-word. I think that's the funniest thing in the world. Okay. I don't say the N-word because it's a very dangerous word and a dangerous world. And if you say it accidentally, it can get you into a lot of trouble. And because I'm around microphones and people of color, I would hate to accidentally say the N-word. Bill Maher said it. He said it accidentally. He didn't call someone the N-word. He was referring to himself. So here's how I look at it. As a white man, I don't think Bill Maher did anything wrong. But I'm not the judge. That's kind of up to African Americans to decide whether or not he said something wrong. That's the way it works in this country. Look, there are so many linguistic landmines out there. Make your life easy. Don't say the N-word. Don't say the C-word. Don't even say the F-word. I watch my language because I watch what I say. Words have meaning. When language breaks down, society breaks down. You can't have alternative facts without alternative words. In order for alternative facts to exist, you have to break down language. When respect for words disintegrates, then respect for facts follows. So when people tell you not to use the N-word, don't say it. Don't say the F-word. Don't say the C-word. And how about this? Try not to curse because not cursing shows restraint. It shows that you're measuring what you say. It reveals character. When you don't curse, it reveals character. It means you hold up under pressure. You have control. When you measure what you're saying, you're taking into account how the listener might feel. It's called manners. It's called being polite, being called sensitive. It's caring about others. If you're on a job interview, would you say the F-word, the N-word? Would you curse? No. Bill Maher made a mistake. But he should approach every conversation as though it's always a job interview. We have the N-word out there because it's the warning light. It's there to give us a slight indication as to whether or not the person who's saying it or not saying it may or may not be a racist. That's all the N-word is. I mean, that's partly what the N-word is. It's a warning light. It's good to have words like the C-word, the N-word. Words you shouldn't say because it helps others determine whether or not the person who is speaking those words could possibly be a danger to the community. These words are there for guidance. A lot of people use these words and they're not racists or rapists or homophobes. But these words must remain taboo in order to help us suss out any danger. We need these words to be a taboo so they can serve as the warning light that says, the person speaking may not be all there. People talk too much and they need to listen, especially to themselves. Go to a Starbucks. People think if they're talking they're saying something. Just because you're typing, it doesn't mean you're writing. Just because you're working, it doesn't mean you're getting anything done. And just because you're talking doesn't mean you're saying anything. People need to talk less and they need to pay attention to what they're saying because words matter. There are a lot of movies in which gangsters and low-lives seem to throw the N-word around. I've noticed this. Granted, the characters who throw the N-word around are always bad people and the writers and the directors and the producers use the N-word to denote evil. But it's still the N-word. And it seems to me there are other words out there that Hollywood writers can come up with besides the N-word to denote an evil character. I don't hear the C-word that much in movies. I hear the N-word a lot more. In movies, I don't hear the bad word for Jews, the bad words for Italians or Mexicans or gay people. I hear the N-word a lot. The N-word just doesn't seem to die. And in the movies in Hollywood, it's harmless because it's politically correct because the character is a bad guy and bad people say the N-word. Well, you know, they also say a lot of other bad things. It's interesting though that I keep hearing the N-word. Why? Probably for the same reason black people still have trouble voting in this country. Black people have it differently in America than other people do. I think the same goes for homosexuals. So Bill made the mistake of thinking he earned the right to say the N-word. What is that about earning the right to say the N-word? That if you work really hard at being a liberal, if you hang out with black people, they come to your house, you've earned the right to say the N-word as though that's the incentive to hanging out with black people. Well, if I vote for Obama and I call Martin Luther King Dr. King and I let my daughter date an African American, obviously I'm entitled to say the N-word because Lord knows I need to. How about you never say it? Again, I'm not calling for censorship. I'm calling for restraint, common sense, perhaps a little class. Certain things are just plain disgusting. And I don't want to see them or hear them. My mother, for example, she's disgusting. No, no, my mother, for example, hates the, my mother hates the word fart. I actually feel guilty saying the word fart. Growing up, I was not allowed to say the word fart. Apparently it evokes something in my mother. It brings, it stirs something up in my mother. Now she'll walk out of the room the minute the grandchildren, the boys, say the word fart. Grandma truly hates the word fart. She's not acting out. It's just a word that upsets her. Now, you can say she has no right to be upset by the word fart. You can accuse her of being old fashioned. You can accuse her of being arbitrary or silly. But the fact is she's not being a drama queen. I can assure you to the core of her being she hates the word fart. So if you have any respect for grandma, if you want her to stay in the room, you'll refrain from saying the word fart. That's empathy, that's sensitivity, that's class. You might think she should be OK with the word fart, but she's not, so don't say it. The same goes for the N word. The same goes for what we call the seven dirty words, because words arbitrarily upset people. And I don't happen to believe there's no such thing as just words. Anyone who has ever been told, I no longer love you, knows that there is no such thing as just words. Words have meanings, and we should watch what we say to one another. That being said, did Bill Maher hurt anyone by saying the N word? I don't know. If you want my honest white opinion, I don't care. I don't think Bill is the black man's problem. As a matter of fact, I think he's one of their biggest allies. And I would hate to lose one of the bravest, most progressive voices out there, just because he made a joke that used the N word. The problem that Bill has is people are gunning for him on both sides of the political spectrum and in between. For more than 25 years, Bill has been a provocateur saying things that are pretty remarkable. And it's pretty remarkable how few times he's actually had to apologize for what he said. Bill watches what he says, all the while making jokes, which makes watching what you say doubly hard. It's hard to say provocative things and not have to apologize. And Bill has been very successful at not having to apologize. Bill Cosby, on the other hand, he never offended anyone. You could take your mother, your sister, your daughter to see Bill Cosby. You just couldn't take them backstage to meet him. So I'm not saying words we use reveal our true nature. Often we use words or don't use words to disguise who we really are. And I think Bill used the N word because he felt he had nothing to hide when it comes to black people. Bill was not a racist. He thought he was entitled to use the N word. Breitbart News just fired one of their reporters for her comments after the London terrorist attack this weekend. Her name is Katie McHugh. This is what Katie McHugh tweeted. Quote, there would be no deadly terror attacks in the UK if Muslims didn't live there. Another Breitbart writer named Ryan Savidra defended Katie McHugh. He tweeted, people think I'm kidding when I say this, but the crusades need to come back. This won't stop until people grow a pair of balls. And Katie was fired. She is a right wing extremist who found a home at Breitbart. She's young and frightened, out of work. And then she tweeted, donate here. There was a link. Donate here so I can pay my medical bills. Wow. Katie McHugh from Breitbart is suddenly afraid of losing her medical insurance. Someone from Breitbart News is afraid of not being able to pay her medical bills. Katie, I don't think the Muslims are your biggest problem. I think you're more likely to die at the hands of a health insurance bureaucrat than a Muslim. And isn't that what all this is all about? Healthcare is complicated. Bill Maher is saying the N-word, or Kathy Griffin holding up the severed head of Donald Trump, or Katie McHugh getting fired from Breitbart because she's spouted Islamophobia. That is so much easier to discuss because it's the same old dance. Somebody says something inflammatory. Should they have said it? What about the First Amendment? And then something else happens and it all blows over. The problem for me is Katie got fired from Breitbart for saying things about Islam that were too much for Breitbart to handle. And yet Bill Maher has said things about Islam that are not too volatile for HBO to handle. See, the problem isn't that Bill said the N-word. It's what he says about Islam. He doesn't say it as viciously as Katie McHugh or Ryan Sevedra from Breitbart. Bill's words about Islam are measured and they are veiled. But if you ask practically anybody who is Muslim, they will tell you that Bill's comments don't pass the smell test. That's the problem with Bill. It's not his use of the N-word. It's what he actually says and what he actually means and what he actually believes about Islam is almost what got Katie McHugh fired from Breitbart. Breitbart isn't okay with it, but HBO is. What is this really about? The complaints about Bill using the N-word. Lisa Lampinelli uses the N-word in concert. I saw her do it. Every African-American in the audience fell off their chair. What is this really about? What is this really about? Why can Lisa Lampinelli say the N-word and nobody gets upset? It matters more who says something than what that person actually says. The reaction to Bill's use of the N-word was about something else. The alt-right took to their Twitter followers to call Bill a racist. Now usually I would say if anyone could spot a racist it would be the alt-right. But the problem with the alt-right calling Bill a racist is they don't mean it. They hate Bill Maher because they know he's not a racist and nothing would please them more than watching him hoisted on the very same PC-patard they themselves find themselves dangling from. So Bill isn't a racist when it comes to African-Americans. And on the other side of the alt-right are the African-Americans who also know that Bill isn't racist. And if they don't know that, they should. Bill Maher is not a racist. But just like the alt-right, they're mad about something else. So both the alt-right and on the other end of the spectrum African-Americans, specifically the leader of Black Lives Matters they all agree on something. Bill's use of the N-word should put him in hot water and some from both sides have suggested that he should be fired which is never going to happen. HBO is never firing Bill Maher. By the time he's back on the air next Friday this will already be forgotten. And I wonder if I should be talking about it because we talk a lot about free speech on this show and I find it tiresome, except when I'm talking to constitutional law professor Corey Brechneider, author of When the State Speaks. These conversations about Kathy Griffin and Bill Maher they often slide into the banal. It's a dance we're all familiar with. Somebody says something they should and then it's the same old third grade argument about whether or not somebody should be fired for what they said. Well, here's the simple constitutional answer to whether or not Bill can be fired. No. Unless HBO wants to fire him. In which case he can be fired and he would have no legal recourse. Bill Maher can be fired for saying the N-word on his show because it's not the government censoring him and you have no First Amendment protections unless it's the government trying to silence you. HBO could fire Bill tomorrow if they feel his use of the N-word doesn't reflect their brand. The same way CNN and I say wrongly fired Kathy Griffin for holding the severed head of Trump. HBO, like I said, could fire Bill but that's not going to happen. If African Americans threatened to cancel their subscriptions to HBO then maybe HBO would consider firing Bill. The same way Fox finally fired Bill O'Reilly because the sponsors abandoned Bill O'Reilly. So it's not an issue of free speech. It's an issue of the free market. It's an issue of outrage and how much of that outrage can translate into lost revenue for the corporation Bill or Kathy Griffin or Bill O'Reilly works for. The alt-right wanting Bill Maher fired is a badge of honor. As for the African Americans wanting him fired like I said, not a badge of honor pissing off African Americans but they're pissed off and it's partly about something else. Again, I think African Americans, the Black Lives Matter people are genuinely angry that Bill used the N-word but I also think they're more angry about the lack of diversity in the corporate suites or on the writing staffs in Hollywood and I think Bill's use of the N-word stirs that up. I also think Bill would have a much easier time using the N-word if he didn't spend the last couple of years attacking Islam. He continues to call it a religion of violence a religion that is more violent than say the Judeo-Christian faith which as we all know has a storied career of butchering millions in the name of Jesus. If I had a conversation with Bill Maher about Islam, he would win the argument that Islam is a violent religion the same way I would lose the argument with Steve Bannon about the Jews. I'm sure anti-Semites like Steve Bannon or Chuck Woolery, yes Chuck Woolery the host of the Love Connection Chuck Woolery is guilty of making some anti-Semitic comments last week so if anybody in Hollywood is listening please hire Chuck Woolery so Andy Kinler and I can demand that he gets fired. But I'm sure that if Steve Bannon and Chuck Woolery sat me down they could whip out statistics anti-Semitic statistics that show Jews have a disproportionate number of jobs in banking, show business, medicine I'm not going to win that argument because it's not an argument I find worth studying for. So the big question is why do you bother with these stats? Why do you bother to research this information? What is the point other than hurting and frightening minorities? I know that if I had Charles Murray on the show he's the author of the bell curve he would win the argument that blacks and Latinos are genetically inferior because he has spent his life pouring over his pseudo-science to prove that blacks and Latinos have nobody but themselves to blame for inequality. To me that's a waste of time. Science is bogus. Even if it weren't bogus, so what? What are you trying to achieve by proving this? It makes me wonder why Bill Maher has devoted so much of his energy to cherry picking verses from the Quran in order to prove that Islam is more violent than, say, Christianity or Judaism. What does it matter? It's more revealing that with all that is going on in the world all the problems that need to be addressed Charles Murray wants to prove that blacks and Latinos are genetically inferior. If I had the time, I know I could muster up the pseudo-science to prove white supremacists are genetically inferior to Latinos and blacks. If I had the time and I wanted to cherry pick Bill Maher's statements the same way he cherry picks the Quran I could prove that Bill Maher preaches just as much violence and intolerance as Muktader Sader or any other imam who has hijacked the Quran to incite violence. I would be lying about Bill the same way it's a lie to call Islam a violent religion but more importantly it's a waste of time. Pick your battles. Proving one religion more violent than another it's an empty pursuit. Proving one race genetically inferior to another accomplishes nothing. So the question remains why? Why are you doing this with so little time with life being so short? Why would you dedicate even a second to this? The answer can be found in the medical community. The medical diagnosis that has often been given for antisemitism is mental illness. Antisemitism is called a mental illness because mental illness is defined by psychiatrists and most psychiatrists are Jewish but it really is a mental illness. It's paranoia coupled with a psychosis that makes you see things that aren't there makes you see controlling forces that are not really controlling you because they don't exist. The same applies to Islamophobia. That's a mental illness. And yes the people who attack Manchester or the London Bridge they too are mentally ill. The people who observe a radical form of Islam and are trying to kill us they too are mentally ill. But yesterday in Orlando John Robert Newman Jr. seems to have used a semi-automatic handgun to kill five of his fellow workers and then himself. He too is mentally ill. Should all gun owners be condemned? Should all people who believe in the Second Amendment be called radical, extremists? Hell bent on killing people in America? Personally? Yes, I think they should be. Antisemitism, racism, Islamophobia Islamophobia just like a radical fundamentalist belief in the Second Amendment all of those are manifestations of a mental illness. All of these rabid beliefs this orthodoxy yes in the Second Amendment in the Quran, in the Bible stems from fear, hatred, paranoia and a psychosis that someone is trying to get them. The love of the gun, the love of the Bible the love of the Quran the obsession with those things it's a false belief in something more powerful than oneself. I think Bill should be forgiven for using the N word. I do think he should be taken to task for is his unholy alliance not just with the mentally ill but with the ill-informed. It pains me to say this because I love Bill but I think when it comes to Islamophobia I think Bill Maher is mentally ill. I don't think he's ill-informed I think he's mentally ill. This need to attack Muslims the religion is about something much deeper I don't know what it is maybe it's because his mother's Jewish Catholic, maybe it's mental illness coupled with business acumen maybe it's actually calculating maybe it's because right after 9-11 he got into trouble attacking the military after 9-11 and he got fired from ABC maybe now he's sucking up to his oppressors maybe this is very calculated his attacks on Islam maybe it's very calculating we all know that the far far right extremists in this country not only believe that the military can't be criticized the way Bill did politically incorrect and that got him fired the far far right also believes that our adventurism overseas fighting terrorism is a war between Christianity and Islam you will find that the deeper you dig into the far right wing these two things go hand in hand the military is beyond reproach and the war against terrorism is between good and evil or more precisely Christianity versus Islam Bill Maher is afraid of the far right I think maybe his way of inoculating himself from the unbridled wrath of the far far right is by not criticizing the military which he learned the hard way not to do and more importantly spending a little time on his show attacking Islam like I said sucking up to the military while attacking Islam is red meat or actually catnip for the dangerous violent Breitbart right it's catnip it calms them down so Bill's Islamophobia it's partly mental illness I also think it's a calculated way to shave off those right wing extremists who might come for him it's hard for the far right wing to loathe Bill Maher to call for his head if he hates Islam I want to put it past Bill Maher to attack Islam as a ploy as a way to gain license from the far right wing to attack everything else the right wing detests as long as Bill supports the military and hates Islam the right wing is going to be conflicted calling for his head and Bill knows that either way attacking Islam is mentally ill and cowardly once again I find myself talking about the wrong things yes Bill should be forgiven for saying the N word what I don't understand is why he gets a pass for attacking Islam Bill was right for apologizing for saying the N word what I don't understand is why he has not apologized to the Muslim community Sarah McHugh was fired from Breitbart for saying the things Donald Trump not only believes but is acting upon Steve Bannon the former boss of Breitbart is winning inside the White House right now Jared Kushner is up against the ropes they are not allies he went up against Steve Bannon who is older, smarter and has much sharper elbows Steve Bannon ran Breitbart he would not have fired Sarah McHugh for her comments about Muslims these conversations about Bill Maher using the N word or Kathy Griffin holding up the severed skull of Donald Trump these conversations are fun because like weather or baseball anybody can sit at Starbucks and have an opinion but it's the same conversation we've been having for decades and right now this is not the time for us to be discussing nonsense this is the time when we need to be focused on removing Donald Trump and standing up to the radical and violent Breitbart wing of the GOP they are tyrannical they are nationalists they are absolutists and they are fascists and they're winning we've just pulled out of a Paris climate accords the EPA is run by oil lobbyists the Department of Interior is run by ExxonMobil and the Department of Education is being run by a creationist who doesn't believe in public schools they are winning they're cutting food stamps cutting spending on the backs of poor people lowering taxes for the richest 1% inflaming the Arab world and waging war on the news media Bill Maher and Kathy Griffin are not the problem we need to get at our pens and send a postcard we need to make a sign and go march things are going to be getting a lot worse before they get better and we need to focus on the real enemy it's not Bill Maher it's not Kathy Griffin it's Donald Trump the Koch brothers Paul Ryan Mitch McConnell Breitbart and the right wing extremists who only believe in Jesus Christ and guns those are your enemies and divorce attorneys joining us is the founder and treasurer of the Blue America PAC which raises money for progressive candidates around the country he also writes the Down with Tyranny blog Howie Klein Howie Trump fatigue there's no time for Trump fatigue because these are the angriest people in the world they are violent they are not getting what they want because Trump is not keeping any promises they can't admit they are wrong for voting for Trump so they resort to violence they are going to lash out at the other side and we're seeing evidence of this already well, we saw evidence in the run up to Trump being installed tell me about Kim Weaver she dropped out of her campaign for Iowa's fourth congressional district she said that she had financials in security but there were other reasons why did she drop out? she dropped out basically because she was getting death threats so she's running against Steve King and I think some of the listeners know that Steve King is one of the most right wing racist members of Congress he's an over what they call white nationalist and normal people call it fascist and he represents the largest part of Iowa which is basically it's a rural area there are almost no real cities there it's just a lot of very small towns and miles and miles and miles and counties full of farms and it's a pretty backward area and it's the reddest part of the state and he's represented that forever Kim ran against him last time and she didn't get any support at all from the Democratic Party from the DCCC the Democratic Congressional Campaign Committee but she decided to run again Blue America endorsed her we've been raising money for her she's raised a lot of money about a quarter of a million dollars and she was ready to go up against him and she's been getting death threats and that's what mostly the media knows but there's a little bit more to it than that I wrote a post about it last night and people can find it on my blog it's down with tyranny.com and what it says is that Republican officials have targeted the agency that she works for and she was told specifically they were doing that because she works there so they've cut the budget of the agency and she's freaked out because some of her fellow workers are going to be fired now so she's very very upset about that and she decided it's just not worth it between the death threats and it's not just an email in this case someone put something up on her lawn and she just felt it was getting a little bit too close for comfort Trump as you just were saying has encouraged violence among his supporters and they're taking it very literally and when he said if you get into trouble and he said this at one of his rallies I'll pay the legal bills and these kind of knit with half-wit opioid addicted imbeciles here this stuff and they take it very seriously and of course Trump isn't going to pay their legal bills at all or do anything to help them but they don't know that and they're resilient to violence so people might say well you know Steve King for example said this isn't true he said she's making it up she wasn't really threatened she's just afraid of him he says he wants her to run because she's a weak candidate and he said this stuff publicly and but interestingly enough just in the last couple of days so literally this all happened in the last let's say three days Kim Weaver drops out in Iowa then we have the mayor a guy who's running a liberal Democrat who's running for mayor of Binghamton, New York upstate New York and he started getting threats he went on the radio talked about his campaign and he has a Republican incumbent and he starts getting death threats and then they started coming to his wife and to his children as well they're getting emails of death threats and you know what's an email you know he was sort of it was Waterloo for ducks back he didn't care that much he was a little concerned about his wife getting them of course and his kids but you know that's how it goes then it's about eight o'clock at night and he went to pick up his three-year-old daughter at a babysitter and he's coming back in the house and there's a strange pickup truck parked across the street from his house and suddenly the guy starts screaming you know horrible words that we don't want to say on the radio although liberal and then excellent of deleted and throws a can at him a can which as it turned out was full of soda so a full can and that could do a lot of damage and he went to shield his daughter of course and then the can hit him and then he decided to drop out so he dropped out of his race as well and he's the only Democrat in that race which means the right-wing Republican who is the current mayor will become mayor again with no opposition so bad enough we have those two things and then down in Louisiana in a really really right-wing district in Louisiana where Hillary got 20-something percent only so you can imagine what that district is like they elected a down there they have the jungle primary just like we do in California where everybody runs in the primary together and although in California we tend to have two Democrats who win and then they face off in the general election in Louisiana it's the opposite they'll have two Republicans who win and they'll face off in the general election and in this guy's election there was a mainstream conservative Scott Angeli who's very well known statewide he's a famous Republican and he's not a moderate in any way but he's kind of a mainstream conservative he's a state-wide office he's very famous and who is he running against? he's running against a guy named Captain Clay Higgins Captain Clay Higgins who's a professional vigilante that's what this guy is he's not paid by law enforcement he's a vigilante and a nut and well known as a fascist so he's a mainstream conservative running against a fascist and the fascist wins so this guy, Clay Higgins is now a member of Congress so on Sunday he decides that he's going to take it on himself to write a Facebook post urging his followers to hunt down suspects he used the word suspects people they suspect of being Muslim terrorists and when you read it you might miss out on the terrorist part so if you suspect someone that might be a Muslim he says kill them he doesn't say go to the police report them he just killed them that's what he said that's a congressman so today I'm waiting to hear maybe another Republican congress saying that doesn't say anything about our party and that is that we disown him and we disavow what he's saying nothing nobody says a word maybe Paul Ryan should say something to him the whip of the Republican party is a guy named Steve Scalise who's supposed to be somewhat sane although I've never seen any anything to that is he from Louisiana? in Louisiana does he say anything? no, nothing none of them say a thing are they afraid of these people? I think that they are sympathetic with these people maybe they're afraid of some of them I don't know they certainly are cowardly that's for sure and you know when you called a little while ago I was on the phone with Alan Grayson and one of the things that we were talking about was Walter Jones Walter Jones is a Republican from North Carolina and Walter Jones just came out saying that Congress should not fund the war in Afghanistan and if Trump tries to put more troops in there they should flap him down and not let him do it and not give him the money to do it no more troops no more war in Afghanistan and the reason that Grayson and I were talking about that is because he is a truly courageous guy I mean the Republicans hate him they run candidates against him Ryan has made sure to pull this guy off his committee and not let him rise in the ranks he should be the chairman of the committee he's on now because it's based on seniority and they don't let him do that they don't let him even be the second in command and they do everything to target him they gave hundreds of thousands of dollars to some right-wing nut who was running against him in the Republican primary last time he beat the guy the guy only got 20% but that's what they do that's how they try to stifle independent thought so when you say are they afraid of these people these Republicans are afraid of their own shadows they have reason to be as well and they're generally a cowardly lot and they act together and they think that they're all safe if they stick together it's out of the Putin playbook he surrounds himself with paramilitary organizations bikers and Trump surrounds himself with bikers because they can't rely on the police to do their dirty work it's from you know who's playbook from 75 years ago the people who are violent let's call them the brown shirts who support Trump who are doing these violent things to this guy running for mayor did you say Binghamton? Binghamton, New York where Harper is New York there's no difference between the people who threaten these candidates like Kim Weaver and George Zimmerman if you want to understand the mind of a right wing Trump supporter who wants to clock a liberal think of George Zimmerman they don't believe in anything other than violence they believe that they were put on this world put on this earth to remove what they consider weak or nefarious is that a fair statement? there's no ideology behind these people right? well there is some ideology the violent people is true they get off on easily from left to right without a problem though what you're saying is absolutely true but while they're doing it they have some kind of ideologically underpinning the next day they could be converted to something else I'm sure they don't think they have strong ideological feelings they're just a bunch of violent thugs so there's a guy named David Woodward he's a political consultant he's helped people like Lindsay Graham Trey Gowdy who's going to I think Trey Gowdy becomes head of his chafe and Jeff Dunn and Woodward told McClatchy earlier this week the McClatchy News Service that they are literally going to fight the media that they're going to run against the media in the midterms they can no longer run against Washington DC now they're going to run against the mainstream media and you have people like Ben mainstream media and you have people in the media like Laura Ingram who praised Gianforte that the new congressman from Montana for beating up the reporter from The Guardian it's getting more violent and it's going to get a lot worse Gianforte was rewarded for his behavior by bringing in $100,000 that day from donations some of which were very specifically made by people saying congratulations for you know punching out that liberal jerk in much worse ways of saying it but yes the Trump kind of people that's their mentality they like that what was Limbao that he was viral or masculine Trumping right Donald Trump right now is so unpopular more Americans according to a new poll favor impeaching Trump over Trump himself there are more people who want to put him on trial than approve of him but below Trump is the media the media is even less popular than Donald Trump this is in a way it's a race to the bottom but he's winning no I don't think so I think that people see Trump as a real existential threat to our country now and I don't think some might think the media that way but I think that the everyone likes to use the media as a punching bag and there are times that I'm screaming at the TV or some angry racial matter but it's very different from how you might feel about about Trump there's a daily tracking poll that Gallup puts out and the one that came out today has him at the lowest number he has ever been at which was 36 points something I don't remember what the point was 36.4 I think and that is lower that's the distance rating that they that they found during Watergate during the Watergate hearings when he was about to be impeached Trump is already at that level and thinking I mean the momentum is all downward it's not like it goes up and down and up and down it's going down they're not going to get rid of him unless they lose the house presumably the democrats will shut Nancy Pelosi up and no more off the table bullshit from her sorry for my fringe they'll start the impeachment process now they won't be able to find him guilty because the senate is going to either be barely in the hands of the democrats I don't think it will be it will be a republican senate they need 60 votes in the senate to be able to find him guilty but he will be impeached will be impeached and then the democrats will you know in the house will impeach him and then the senate will find him not guilty on the local level in the state governments were finding hope for the democrats Montana and Kansas the democrats did not do well in special congressional elections well they know they did do well they didn't win but their numbers were way higher than they had been previously so yes they did well not well enough we're seeing however an increase in state and local elections for democrats in primarily red districts correct we are you know what we're seeing is across the board a rise in pro-democratic votes between 5 and 10 percent so if you need to make up 20 percent it's not going to do you any good like in Kansas and Montana if you only need to come up by 10 percent and the vote turns to the democrats by 10 percent you win and that's what happens that's what's been happening in New Hampshire for example a couple of weeks ago they won the democrat there and history gone to a democrat it's been a republican seat since it existed and it's now it was won by a democrat that was a seat of course the trump one there was a seat on Long Island where Peter King has a big chunk of the south shore of Long Island from Nassau County into Suffolk and the reddest part of his district was the assembly district so his district is a purple district but with this one part of the district is the reddest part by far without this part of his congressional district he's in a blue seat and he wouldn't have to stand a chance this particular part had an assembly race and the democrat won and it was shocked everyone no one expected it and it was a bernie delegate to Peter King that he's in trouble because if he can't win in that part of his district he might not even run again you're in a boat it's sinking you grab your life raft there's one life vest left you grab your life vest there's only one left Peter King and Steve King are in the boat with you you have to give the vest to one of them you're going to give it to Steve King over Peter King I would assume it depends if there's a shock in the water or not Steve King is worse than Peter King right? but not by a lot both terrible yeah Hillary Clinton is speaking and I don't think she's doing herself any favors I don't think she should be complaining about the Russians and the DNC I think it's a little I don't know David the private citizen she can do whatever the hell she wants I don't care what she does I don't care what she says and she has the right to speak and say and give her opinion I don't think that she represents in any way the democratic party or not happy that she's speaking out like this and saying silly things and or bringing attention to herself and I think they wish she'd show up and go away I don't really feel that way I'm not a big fan of hers but she has the right to speak okay let me ask you a question about her because the Hillary supporters say that Debbie Wasserman Schultz who was the chairman of the DNC the Bernie supporters say that Debbie Wasserman Schultz conspired with Hillary to make Bernie weak so that Hillary can get the nomination the defenders of Hillary say that the chairman of the DNC, Debbie Wasserman Schultz has no power that the DNC is a shell organization it's just a container for somebody to seize power within and then take it over but it's really the individual politician who gets the nomination who runs the DNC so that if Bernie had won then he would be the DNC, Hillary won so she became the DNC that's the argument right so that argument is true except what about before there's a nominee that's where Debbie Wasserman Schultz was doing her damage to Bernie was before Hillary was the winner once Hillary won then there wasn't a problem anymore but before Hillary won or got the nomination that's when Debbie Wasserman Schultz was doing damage to Bernie in every way she could did Hillary undercut that argument the pro-Clinton argument by complaining about the computer software that the DNC had when she got the nomination she says I inherited this mess that the DNC was no she did not undercut the argument because she did inherit a mess the reason she inherited a mess was because Debbie Wasserman Schultz aside from being the most corrupt DNC chairman ever wasn't in it for anything except herself so you know all she was trying to do was build up a gigantic personal mailing list of donors so she didn't care about the DNC she wasn't doing a very good job at it she was just getting her own list together stealing from the DNC so but on the other hand she would be doing things like for example there are many many things she did to harm Bernie including you know bad scheduling of debates fewer debates than should have happened debates scheduled on odd times when people wouldn't be able to tune in for one reason or another and then at one point she shut down his access to his own lists which the DNC has the the capability of doing I was going to say the right they don't have the right to do it but they have the capability of doing it she did it she cut him off from his own list so he couldn't do any kind of fundraising from the people who are his supporters so she did a lot of things to harm him some small some big and always persistent she never did anything to help him she always did things to harm him that's Debbie Wasserman Schultz before we get to Dr. Keyanga Yama Nada Taylor she's an assistant professor of African American studies at Princeton she spoke at commencement address I didn't hear the speech but you write about it on Dan with tyranny I want to write about it and I have an embedded copy of the speech itself so you or anyone else who would like to listen to it can go to my blog and just and and there's a YouTube of it it's fantastic it is so inspirational and so powerful and this is an amazing woman I'm going to guess that since we were talking about threats that you're bringing this up because she was also threatened to the point where she has had to cancel of previously scheduled engagements she she speaks she's an inspiring speaker she was scheduled to give a speech in San Diego and she was scheduled to give a speech in Seattle and she's now canceled both of them she said it's too dangerous for her and her family and she's not going to do it and so why did that happen that's because of Fox News they took one very incendiary part of the speech played it on Fox News where she's saying some negative things about Trump basically he's a bigot and a misogynist she's not cursing him she's not saying cut his head off or anything like that she's just I mean does anyone think he's not a bigot or does anyone think he's not a misogynist I mean he certainly is and Fox played it and riled up their audience and she was deluged with death threats now she's an African American woman so you can well imagine what those threats were like she says that almost every single threat had either the N word or the C word or both of those words wow and this is an incredible incredible woman who was invited by the students at Hampshire college to come there and speak the students themselves get to pick who their commencement speaker is going to be and they picked her her speech is really incredible and very very much worth listening to and like I said I have it on my blog and or you can find her name you can find it on YouTube and she's just a pretty amazing woman people should go down with tyranny to read your blog because what you wrote about her will enhance the viewing pleasure you also embedded a YouTube video to see the speech a great speech was delivered last week by Mitch Landrow the mayor of New Orleans at a ceremony taking down three statues of confederate leaders did you happen by any chance to read that speech no that's a brilliant I didn't read the whole speech but I've heard a lot about it so I know it was a very very inspiring speech as well that it was just put him on a whole other plane of a hero of the resistance I think it's unfair to talk to you about it because you haven't read it but I think that speech will go down in history as one of the great speeches not alone a lot of people saying that now I need to get my hands on that and either watch it or read it is he a good guy he's part of a machine I don't know, I've never talked to him he's from like a political family his father was a big time Louisiana politician his sister was a horrible right wing democrat one of the worst of the worst she was the US senator Mary Landrow, bad as they come she's now a lobbyist and she's a real bad lobbyist so can you tar him with that I don't know but I know when I hear that name it gets me thinking be careful we're almost out of time Trump climate change it looks like global warming climate change might have succeeded in doing what the democrats can't do in terms of gerrymandering tell me about Carlos Kerbello, he's a republican from Florida and according to down with tyranny I don't know if it's up yet but I wrote a post about this and he, I think it is up it is up so Carlos Kerbello is in a Miami district that Hillary won by almost 20 points so this is not a close district this is a district where he's really in danger of losing and in Miami they've got pumps running 24-7 pumping water out of their streets I mean if they stop pumping water out of Miami streets bye bye Miami so Carlos Kerbello is very, very well aware he came right out and said Trump is incorrect and pulling out of the Paris climate court was a big mistake and he denounced him in no uncertain terms the only republicans that are doing that are republicans in districts like his that went heavily for Hillary and where they feel that they're jeopardized by association with Trump and certainly in the case of any kind of educated audience who is aware of the reality of climate change that's acerbated in a very, very big way so when you talk to some audience, some Trump supporters in some backward area where everyone in the county literally exists there are 25 counties that went heavily for Trump many of them in Appalachia so whether we're talking about Tennessee or Kentucky or West Virginia or parts of western Pennsylvania where the death rate is so high from opioid addiction that's the Trump heartland these counties it just sounds like I'm being an insane person but I've done the research on this and I've written about it if you just look at which of the counties that voted for Trump overwhelmingly I'm talking about 70% 80% these counties also have the worst opioid addiction in the country there's no way of the 50 counties that have the worst opioid addiction 49 of the 50 were Trump's super counties one of them wasn't and the one that wasn't was on an Indian reservation it's the only one that wasn't very quickly Joe Biden too old to run for president but he's created a super pack an exploration committee to run for president or it could be to support people who he likes Joe Biden now people think of him as Uncle Joe and he's Obama and people like him but Joe Biden had a very very very long senate career and that very very very long senate career was very very bad he was fine when it came to women's choice and gay rights these social issues he was fine well good decent democrat when it came to things that had to do with corporate finance and Wall Street and that kind of thing bad guy he was you know when you hear about these bad bankruptcy bills he was the one that would be writing them he was he's really you know not one of my favorite democrats let's put it like that you know there's good there's bad he's a lot of there's a lot of bad with him and I certainly he's gotten better in the last few years but I wouldn't trust him to be president I would much more like to support someone like Elizabeth Warren or even Bernie Sanders is 70 still the threshold it was the threshold when Ronald Reagan was elected president they said you can't go past 70 Bernie is what 74 Hillary's 70 74 I'm rounding these numbers off next week who turns 71 who turns 71 yeah next week who does Senor Trump pansy oh so could Hillary run again could Bernie run again already said she's not going to run again she's not going to run again I think if she the democrat I think the democratic party they're slow to learn but I think they've learned that she's the wrong candidate and last question before you go Walter Jones he's a republican I know I have a question I have a question before you go Carlos Kerbello republican why do they stay what prevents them from throwing their hands up and just walking to the other side of the aisle interesting question so Kerbello has one chance to keep his seat in my opinion well two chances the more likely chance actually is that the democrat the DCCC will screw up and they'll get you know they'll pick some terrible candidate which they may do in fact they are talking about picking someone who would be defeated in that district that district is about it's close to 70% Hispanic and they're thinking of running a guy named Patrick Murphy who was a congressman from another part of Florida no way near there so the thing about running him and he would lose so if the DCCC does something foolish like that which they usually do he could win other than that the only shot he would have to win would be to say okay I'm a democrat now and switch parties Walter Jones by the way before we go he was elected in 1994 in 1992 he ran for congress for the first time as a democrat he was a democrat his father was a congressman who was a democrat Howie Klein is the founder and treasurer of the Blue America pack which raises money for progressive candidates read them every day over it down with tyranny thank you sir thank you talk to you soon I hope you're enjoying today's show please remember to do all your Amazon shopping via the David Feldman show website go to davidfeldmanshow.com click on it and then shop away we get a small percentage of everything you purchase I promise you every penny we get goes towards keeping the show going and if you're doing your Amazon shopping via the David Feldman show website hit the contact button let me know so I can thank you joining us from the Brentwood Hills is Mark Thompson you are yeah go ahead I think it was necessary to mention that I'm in the Brentwood Hills people are probably familiar with the fact that Brentwood's a nicer area the hills is a nicer area within the nicer areas and now I sound like somebody that everybody's gonna hate and I don't think that's there I mean just it's almost like why would you put that in the intro unless you were trying to kind of build animus early on in the conversation for me okay I apologize I don't mean to be paranoid about it I'm having a rough day so maybe that was just me I don't think it's important to say where I live all right joining us from 1616 Red Chimney Lane in Brentwood, California his home phone number is 555 even Brentwood suggests a certain bourgeois quality but it's okay let it go are you pretending that you're not successful the audience knows who you are they know that you're the voice they're probably more that don't and I don't think that they need to know that look every dollar I've ever made is tied up in this house so it's fine they're not going to dislike you because of all the money you've made as the voice of American idol or your work as a weatherman in Los Angeles or hosting various programs for Fox they're going to hate you for your support of Donald Trump I can assure you they don't care about your success they care you know it's funny I was searching with a political divining rod for something to support in Donald Trump I thought maybe he would surprise me in some way but he has been a wrecking ball to environment he's been a wrecking ball to environmental concerns he's been a wrecking ball to science and I know you didn't call me here about Donald Trump but I was talking about that's why I called you actually but in relation to what we were going to talk about David indicated you want to talk about the state of the planet worse and dramatically under this president even think that he cares I think he'd rather just play golf go to photo ops whatever in other words I don't think he is on a mission to destroy the planet but this is how important a period this is by surrendering the agenda over to corporates people who really only care about the bottom line and don't care about the nature of the planet the fragility of habitats and all the rest I think by surrendering the agenda to them you effectively have cast a very dangerous course and that's why it makes me very sad I've never really been sadder you know about the environment and about the planet and about our prospects and you know we're not the only game in town the United States is just one very powerful nation but we are the great polluter and we are the great determinant in many ways of the future and obviously we've given up that position that is being a determinant of the future we can't be a leader any longer because clearly our country is regressing at least in terms of policy I should mention that besides being a world-class voice over artist, television host television creator you sold the bachelor to ABC and other shows we've discussed this before you are also a meteorologist you have made a name for yourself as one of the most respected meteorologists in Los Angeles I cannot tell you the number of times you said it was going to be sunny tomorrow and the next day damn it, it was sunny I cannot tell you the number of times a marine layer was going to burn off by 11 you would say that sometimes it would be 1105 but normally that marine layer was gone when Mark Thompson said the marine layer was going to be gone David if you're suggesting that the degree of pressure associated with meteorology in the Southern California region is less than that perhaps in other regions of the country I would make a difference some of the greatest entertainment projects in the world depend on the weather being just perfect lighting, cloudiness and it's done right here and who do you think they call? they call me and big sporting events we have the Los Angeles Dodgers they look like they're going to be contenders for the pennant series when they get into a dice situation should they call the game for rain shouldn't they who do you think they call? they call me so you may just want to back off mister your little comic sabers that you pull out and your little edgy thing that you do very proud of being a meteorologist in Southern California seems to me I know that you were offered a lot of money to come to a certain city where the weather is a little more important and we may or may not have said no because somebody wanted to stay in Los Angeles for personal David, people come here to Los Angeles and they get drunk on the weather let's be honest there's a reason people in LA commute two and a half hours to their office do they sit in traffic for literally hours and hours and hours because they love the weather and I was one of those and am one of those people I love it, I love Christmas morning you're in jeans and a t-shirt you go out and get the paper yes we still get the paper here and it's terrific I do love the weather and it's true I was offered a lot of money and a great situation to move to New York and be on the air there but as I say I've been the lotus flower of Los Angeles has kept me here before we get to climate change and I didn't know that I was interrupting my intro by the way when I went off on that big thing about Donald Trump and the environment so you can cut that out we were live to tape oh there's no I'll give you an idea how much I hate Donald Trump okay as you know I'm getting a divorce and I still hate Donald Trump I don't know what that purpose is in other words if you're going through a divorce the level of misogyny inside a man just bubbling out through my ears and even I hate Donald Trump let me ask you a question about global warming I know where three of my ex divorce attorneys live and they're all in Los Angeles and they live in and around Malibu suppose we just let it go up one degree and have a little coastal flooding so these three harpies can drown you know that's the funny thing about global warming and when I say funny I don't mean haha I mean eerie I think the way that we've digested it in the public consciousness is that there'll be some coastal areas flooded things are going to get more expensive but ultimately global warming won't affect me and my kids in a little way if I'm in a major city or in a pretty good lifestyle you know this is something that's going to affect some island in Micronesia it's going to affect some place along the coast I can see what those pictures of some of the US coastal cities on the east coast look like if such and such happens if the globe warms this much and I think the problem with that is that it really denies what's happening so quickly all around the globe you know I'm talking about glacier melt and I'm talking about the extinction of species and I'm talking about the loss of habitat it's all happening all over and it's happening at an unbelievable rate and because we packaged our lives so effectively we're just brilliant but the way we package our homes everything's climate control we get to watch the NBA finals we get to watch the NHL Stanley Cup everything comes right to us it's on our phone this is a great world we've built but what it's done is it's insulated us from being at all connected to this stuff our food looks nothing like the thing it came from it's packaged it's got to manipulate even the stuff in the food so it is pushing those buttons that are associated with the most savory tastes and because all of this is going on again in a way it builds a buffer between us and what's really happening on the planet and it's happening at an incredible rate extinction is happening at an incredible rate habitat loss is happening at an incredible rate an unprecedented rapidity of all these things an unprecedented quickness an unprecedented rapid destruction of this globe on a scale that has never happened at least in the measurable history and we can go back millions of years if people say well you know the globe it gets warmer and it gets cooler and these things happen and that's true absolutely true but the globe doesn't get warmer like this so quickly in the history of time and we've never seen extinctions on this scale ever in the history of time this is a scary period but again as I say it just represents a blip to us because I think ultimately we're somewhat cushioned from it all because of our lifestyle cushioned and or terrified about what's going to happen to us tomorrow are we going to lose health care am I going to lose my job I think you make a very good point I think you make a very good point I think that things that are this is like trying to campaign where I live in LA for building a sophisticated public transportation system as you sit in traffic you know that this town needs public transportation one of the great things you have in New York is you have such a sophisticated public transportation system I just want to mention did you know that our subways speak French, German and Latin that's how sophisticated they are yes go ahead actually that's sophisticated that way yeah it's very hard to raise money for something that's not going to happen you know for 30 years in other words you could raise my taxes today you're telling me I'm not going to be able to take that subway or I'm not going to be able to take the monorail or I'm not going to have that sophisticated system of trains and buses for another 20 years well no thanks let me hang out of my money and I'm going to use it more effectively in my life right now so I think what you're suggesting I think it's a really great insight that healthcare and other stuff that affects our life right away takes priority over this thing which you're telling me is slowly happening even though I know Mark you just did a big speech about how quickly everything's happening it was really great but it's still happening relative to the crap I have to worry about this coming week pretty slowly and if you're saying that David then I think you're absolutely right I just don't think people assign a priority to it trying to empathize with who's the head of the EPA he works for ExxonMobil and Donald Trump who also works for ExxonMobil when you get in their heads I think they view everything as a business opportunity Vladimir Putin is making plans to drill the Arctic because the ice sheets have melted he can now go in there and drill for the very same thing that is destroying the Arctic they see this all as an opportunity by land in the Yukon by land in Canada if America becomes uninhabitable we'll just move north to Canada where we'll be more temperate isn't that how they view it I don't know really how they view it I think they view it from a bottom line standpoint and prove it as you correctly suggested he's an Exxon guy and divine energy too and it's funny huge company and it's funny that when George Bush was president before Barack Obama he I remember was putting together an energy policy and you may remember there was a you and cry among environmentalists because there were no environmentalists in on that it was all energy sector essentially consulting at the table in other words everyone who was in on forging energy policy was part of the energy industry it seemed like a total disc like he was throwing shade to the environmentalists well you have a multiplier on that times I don't know some remarkably high number because you have nothing but energy and corporate lobbyists actually determining the policy of this country vis-a-vis energy and so to your point I don't really know what their position is I mean whether they view the whole thing is I don't think they care at all I think their bottom line and when I say that I mean their businessmen who don't care there are businessmen you know who have great conscience who want to be responsible about the environment as well but they're not these guys and so when he talks about and this is the guy who was David says the head of the EPA when he says publicly that he doesn't think that human activity is a primary contributor to global warming I mean it's ludicrous on its face but that's the guy you got running stuff I think he has other interests the thing that I find unforgivable about pulling out of the Paris Accords is that the man I hate the most Lloyd Blankfein who's the CEO of Goldman Sachs the most detestable homunculus who ever walked the planet the man personally responsible not only for the housing crisis and the great recession but for the cost of beer going up because he cornered the market in aluminum over at Goldman Sachs Lloyd Blankfein the most horrible human being in the world tweeted out that Donald Trump is a mortal threat to the planet and he was wrong for pulling out of the Paris Climate Accords the fact that Trump could make me like Lloyd Blankfein is unforgivable you're saying someone who's displayed no conscience prior to this has somehow suggested that this policy is even too far for him apparently Lloyd wants our houses underwater when it comes to our mortgages but not actually underwater something like that didn't Goldman they shorted the market isn't that what that was all about they destroyed the market but they had shorted it ahead of time well at Goldman Sachs as I understand it they were shorting it and going along at the same time they have so many tentacles I see they were working at every direction well what do you think is going to happen with the Paris Climate Accords because we don't pull out until the next president comes in in 2020 it's funny you know a lot of what Donald Trump does is for show but I can't really tell what's for show and what's for real and one of the reasons I was so passionate maybe at the beginning of this conversation I was really angry because I do know that what he has been able to do by executive order I think 58 initial executive orders that affected the environment is really take a wrecking ball as I said before to so much habitat you know he's able to lift even the minimal restrictions on the dumping of poisonous chemicals into rivers and streams into the restrictions again they are on pollutants airborne pollutants in the air over the US and more and more and more and you talk about leasing public lands for exploitation by companies looking for minerals and petroleum and the like so you end up with a I think a substantive damage that's been done by those executive orders now having said that let me get to your question about the Paris Accords but I don't know that he hasn't done this in more of a photo op way he can't as a practical matter pull us out of the Paris Accords right away as you say it's going to take four years now by the way you can sit in the echo chamber of I hate Donald Trump and think there's no way this guy could win in four years but it possibly does win in four years or that a Trump-esque figure wins in four years in which case we pull out of the Paris Climate Accords that is to say we effectively do we don't just indicate that we are going to but from a substantive standpoint between now and then I don't think much happens I just don't think and from my standpoint the Paris Accords don't go far enough there isn't really as you know any way to enforce them there's already a suggestion that there's a lot of lying about what they're doing and what cuts they've made in coal production so I'm sure all nations or many nations including ours you know I used to think we were so great we were cutting edge in so many ways but now I've become a little discouraged even about how honest we are about things but in any case I think people look at the Paris Accords in a symbolic way and from that standpoint Donald Trump has pulled back and he's playing to his base the big F U but again I don't know what real damage is done at least in the short and medium term China is going to become the world's biggest emitter of greenhouse gases if they're not already they're pretty close if they refuse to cut back on greenhouse gases if a country like America was still in and committed to the Paris climate agreement and a country like China was the world's largest emitter of greenhouse gases refused to obey the climate agreement it would be an act of war they would be considered a threat to our planet and we would have to go in there and take them over well good luck with that I mean the military if you look at Mattis who's head of defense he and the Pentagon their official position the Pentagon's official position is that climate change is real it's man made and it's going to be a cause of war over the next century because of mass migration because of people wanting to steal water and natural resources and land most certainly that's absolutely true and you're right it's identified as such I guess I was chuckling because obviously you can't mess with China they can pretty much do whatever they want their biggest problem may be internal because as you know their population is dying premature deaths because of severe smog and pollution I mean there is a choking of many cities in China as a result of these because of sort of the way the natural topography of things has laid out so these cities are poorly ventilated and beyond that they are still heavily dependent on these coal-fired power plants so you put that all together and it's one super toxic mess in China so they have a much bigger problem internally it would seem to me than they do even just in terms of playing with the other kids on the planet and yet they're moving into solar energy they're the biggest makers of solar panels and there is something inexorable besides the heating up of the planet and that is our economy moving from oil to solar to bioenergy to hydroelectric hydroelectric wind geothermal isn't that true more and more jobs are in energy are being created in fields other than oil fields oh yeah that's why this whole nod to the coal industry into the traditional ways we get energy by Donald Trump in this administration makes no sense from a job standpoint it's so funny to me to see various tweets from Donald Trump that end with jobs jobs jobs you know the fact is he doesn't represent jobs when he is throwing in so heavily with coal coal as you're aware is a largely automated business now the loss of jobs in the coal industry has to do with two things the economics of coal just isn't there anymore you cannot make money like you used to be able to make money in the coal business there are entire industries that were like the coal industry of the early 1900s that are associated with green energy that's where the jobs are and by the way by turning away from green energy you're costing more jobs more Americans jobs than you are getting American jobs by turning toward the coal industry absolutely green energy represents the future from a job standpoint from an economic standpoint it is definitely the future on every count well Trump is so if you're trying to recharge the economy you can't do it with old school energy you can't it's not there anymore Trump and Bannon have created some jobs for coal you know because of all the people of the White House walking around in blackface anything actually it's burnt cork I shouldn't have to tell you that I've been to your parties now we're writing not good not good this is why David is an Emmy winner he just keeps throwing them they're not going to like the first one you're not going to like the second one you're not going to like the third one you're not going to like the fourth one fifth one, sixth one, seventh and eighth one but the ninth is going to make the sketch tell me some good news how's your life before we wrap it up and we should do this in private by the way I enjoy talking to you and this is important news I'm sorry you're catching me on such a tough I guess I've just been reading a lot today and just get kind of a a bleak outlook honestly I'll tell you something to those people who really are you know it's kind of almost fun to deny climate change you know those people who just like to deny stuff because they like to be the person in the crowd who doesn't go along with it even though it's clearly the case there are those people and then there are people who just don't want any compromise in their lifestyle and there's probably a big overlap in the Venn Diagram of those two but having said that I'd love to ask those people what do you think happens to the hundreds millions of tons of pollution that we blow out into the air alright what do you think happens to that do you think that the planet just absorbs that all I mean it's pollution these are pollutants they're poisons they're being sent up into the atmosphere how do you think the planet digest that day after day do you literally think there's no effect that man can just do whatever we want there's no effect you don't think that there's any effect of all the stuff we dump in the ocean look at the ocean worldwide there are those 5 huge gyres of plastic plastic is everywhere in the ocean it's the sign that what we do affects the entire planet and habitats you can't catch any fish out of the ocean and not find sometimes I mean you need a microscope almost but some form of plastic because that plastic breaks down in that ocean to the point that you are now looking at very small pieces of plastic but it's even the fish we eat so I mention that because those people who deny climate change and sort of deny human effects on the climate well what do you think is happening with all of this stuff that we do as humans you think that there's no effect it's a very frustrating position to maintain and the single greatest thing we all can do to save the planet is once a week have a meatless meal probably is one of the great things that we could do that's absolutely right it's you know to have one like a quarter pounder I guess they call it it requires 600 gallons of water to get that quarter pounder of meat 600 gallons and a pound of beef takes almost 2000 gallons of water because that's the water needed for the animal the drinking the grains, the grasses the feed all of that so yeah let me tell you how much I believe in Meatless Mondays once a year Larry David's ex-wife Lori David Al Gore and I hop into Al Gore's private plane on a Monday and we fly to Belgium to have a vegetarian vegan meal and fly back that night that's how much we believe in Meatless Mondays well you may want to rethink what alienating Lori David by the way I was just talking about the water you make a really good point when you're flying all over the place you know when you talk about greenhouse gases that CO2, the methane, the nitrous oxide all of that that's skewed in the atmosphere by the animals so you're absolutely right good call to draw attention to that but that's a it's all bad Elon Musk quit the president's economic advisors committee or whatever you call it when he pulled out of the climate accords Elon Musk is building rockets to leave this mortal coil called the earth he benefits from the destruction of the planet people are going to need rockets to live someplace else who benefits the most from the destruction of the planet is mad at Trump it was even too much for him yeah he's an interesting guy his average day I was reading about a few weeks back it doesn't seem to be apart from the hours it gets up at 7 now that in itself isn't anything but he doesn't go to bed till 1am every day but apart from well that's a kind of a when you're up at 7 to stay up till 1 every day might be a little rough he kind of feels like a guy who just kind of does the stuff that we all do like he multitasks he goes through emails at lunch or remember reading about something who doesn't go through emails he has sex with Amber Heard stuff we all do am I going to get sued for that there's some woman who is a housewife in the Bronx tonight and she's working much harder tomorrow than Elon Musk is and she's not building a Tesla or an X prize machine anyway I I miss you buddy you were fantastic stay on the line for one second if you're enjoying today's show please share it on facebook twitter copy and paste the link to this show and share it with all your friends via email spread the laughs spread the knowledge spread the love joining us from Hollywood is our entertainment correspondent Jim Earl you have your finger on the pulse of show biz when in comedy writer how many Emmys have you won I've well won one prime time Emmy David mm-hmm for excellence in writing and the Peabody of course was for excellence in journalistic writing with a comedic tinge and you're the author of Morning Remembrances it's a collection of yes I miss you Morning Remembrance it is a collection of obituaries that you have written throughout the years very funny book if you think death is to be laughed at I think death should be greeted every morning with a big smile and a big frothy hot piss and you're also on Jimmy Dore's show which is very am I very popular it is it is over 200,000 subscribers I think on YouTube on YouTube yes I also write a lot of the calls some lents for him as well I do a lot of writing sometimes I'm on the show sometimes I'm not do you ever get recognized for my achievements well you're on YouTube or just for people seeing me in the street and yelling that's the man you've had a storied career you're a renaissance man I talked to Mark Hirshon last week and Mark does a lot of things very well you are a writer and you're also an amazing musician you were the original band leader for this podcast the clutter family is incredible how do people buy the clutter family music well a lot of people just said they can hear it but they don't really buy it they just don't understand why it's a band oh you mean how do they buy it well they could go on YouTube or they could go directly to cdbaby.com and look up the clutter family and get one of or both of their albums and the minute I heard you play are you still there I asked you to be the band leader for my fledgling podcast and you were the early years of this podcast we had a band I would put you up there with REM I think you were as original I thought your lyrics might have been a little more perverse political and then you wanted them to be more piffy I wanted the rapid eye movements to be as piffy as the clutter family the rapid eye movement well you know we didn't have much time to write songs and we were hopped up on X and cocaine most of the time now you're which I heartily you're hopped up on x-lacks now right because I'm old you're old in fact Michael Stipe is so old REM now stands for the rapid bow movements because right I heard that yeah hang on you have a body how many Emmys do you have how many do you have one Emmys or two Emmys prime time I don't know I just I think I have to return it they can have my p-body back so what do you say you have a p-body does that mean the award or you're just like your body is huh my body yes my body looks like a cartoon character from the early 1960s oh I was going to go for just your your body just has you're an invertebrate you have no spine and you're just fluid like yellow piss you have like a p-body you don't stand up for your rights you're yellow you're a coward that's that's what I thought hey hey you're half right how dare you so what do you talk about on Jimmy Dore's show oh you're talking about everything and anything and how much he hates me the way we never discuss you he hates me he won't return my calls well maybe you think it's your cold caller or something no I've invited him on the show Jimmy needs an enemy so I become his enemy well you're not how many subscribers do you have maybe that's the problem oh I'm not famous enough you don't have a big enough following maybe that's well I have a YouTube channel but it's all audio your thing is video right yeah yeah it's his channel's video it's pretty good and it's with the young church it's with the young church mm-hmm yeah it's connected to it yeah and when did it take off did people come together for him or was it gradual that's a good question about two years ago maybe I'm not really sure I think there was one one period when a really subscribers really peaked and started coming I think it was during the election the primaries in the election mm-hmm and are they left wing well yeah Bernie supporters you know are you I am a Bernie supporter I endorse you're not one of these yeah I supported Bernie but we can't talk about Hillary we can't say anything bad about Hillary there's a lot go ahead Democratic Party Democratic Party one of the things I've learned is women are very defensive when you bring up Hillary that as a well let me just say something here as a white as a white man I understood the value to electing Barack Obama an African-American I saw why that was significant I also saw that it was significant to elect a female I think a lot of men don't understand how powerful it would be for women to see a woman in the Oval Office and I will confess to having a blind spot why it was so important to see a woman in the Oval Office for women considering what they did to our African-American president the symbolism to me didn't feel as important as getting somebody in there to do what has to be done somebody like Bernie Sanders who is going to address income inequality but I feel that Bernie pushed Hillary so far to the left that she'd be one of the most progressive candidates since one of the most progressive presidents since Johnson I don't believe that for a second I think she was put on the appearances of taking on some of Sanders platform points out of necessity and she was I don't think she was sincere in it and I think she would have rolled it back immediately or just abandoned it immediately as president abandoned Margaret Thatcher was a woman remember fuck that I'd rather have somebody who's going to do what they say they're going to do and not be a neoliberal corporate mouthpiece regardless whether they're male or female hang on for one second there Jim and another thing hang on for one second Margaret Thatcher wasn't selling a false bill of goods she was what she was you picked her up off the street you reached down there and you didn't find a penis you know what I'm saying she was a conservative she was a Reagan conservative she didn't suddenly have a penis I don't know if that is tracking but the point I'm making is Thatcher was Reagan Hillary was you know kind of a liberal in many ways a neoliberal but she was a liberal I don't get how she was liberal at all I think she would have moved us towards free tuition and Medicare for all I don't think so I think she would have kept things going along fine I'm not fine but I think she would have kept things going along as they were I think the only way a Clinton I think the only way a Clinton does the right thing is if they're forced into doing it and that was true for Bill Clinton and for him mostly doing the right thing was enabling and sucking up to the Republican party in order to save his skin in the last few years of his tenure I don't see anything to benefit with having Clinton in the office Hillary other than the fact that she's not Donald Trump and that's why in my opinion that's why who said that one was I think it was Cornell West or was it Cornell Wilde Cornell West who said that that one was a shot in the head and one was now I'm screwing up but he had kind of a Ralph Nader summation of the two candidates which Ralph Nader said about the two parties one party is driving it us off the cliff at 60 miles an hour and the Democrats are driving us off the cliff at 40 miles an hour Yeah but I think had Hillary won she would have tapped into the populace rage from both Bernie and Trump there's something definitely going on in this country that she had to address and if she's a politician she would have read you know the leaves and said the season has changed and I better get on board you don't think she was capable of that I don't think she no I don't think it's in her DNA to do that I think she would have you know no Democratic party is in this to to keep making money the way they always have and that was more likely to happen with a Republican in office than a progressive like Bernie Sanders Bernie Sanders threatened the Democratic party's lifestyle and livelihood that was one of his big negatives to the DNC right you know that's obvious the money and my fucking ex president getting $400,000 for what the fuck is he doing there's no optics to these people no shame you know the cliche about well I'm not gonna give me some you know I'm not gonna do anything with this money Wall Street is giving me how is that gonna influence me cut to them three weeks out or four months out of office getting a $400,000 speech from one of the one of their ex lobbyists give me a fucking break these people are worthless well I like Obama I think speaking is it Goldman Sachs no it's the 9-11 people that he's speaking it right 9-11 the people I thought it was speaking to some financial organization yeah it was the financial organization that got decimated after 9-11 yeah I forgot Cantor Fitzgerald is it Cantor Fitzgerald yeah I think it's Cantor Fitzgerald you know yeah he's a politician he was always a corporatist we always knew that about him when we elected him we knew he was he wasn't John Edwards he wasn't speaking about two Americas when he was running for president the way John Edwards was John Edwards would have been great had he not done some really stupid things but you know his I think he was a better candidate well you don't you don't think Obama did anything I mean Obama used his executive orders to reverse climate change he got us into that Paris climate accords he instructed the EPA to crack down coal emissions he issued orders about financial advisors having a fiduciary responsibility I think given that he had no support from the Republicans and very little support from Nancy Pelosi he did as good as you can do unless you're gonna say take you know it's my ball and I'm going home with it you know if you won't give me a public option no healthcare for anybody he was willing to compromise well he did more than compromise he never used to use a cliche but his bully pulpit to go around the country and raise up attention for the things that needed to be I think he did he gave away single-payer he didn't fucking say a damn thing about the Dakota pipeline that was that was disgraceful yes he did the army Corps of Engineers said no to that and he said no to the Keystone right, right he should have been out there he should have been out there supporting he should have been out in strike lines too he should have been out on a picket line like Bernie Sanders was and he gave Gulf of Mexico back to BP and BP has spent virtually nothing cleaning that up it's another Exxon, it's another huge disgrace and it's another blow job to the oil industry and Wall Street and that's what he is he is a corporatist and I think he's worthless I think he's a corporatist but of the positive stripe he's a smart constitutional lawyer and had Hillary won she would have taken from his playbook not bills and she would have extended the Obama presidency and moved it moved the country as far to the left as we possibly could given how stupid this country is and how anti-progressive it is there are more there are more solar jobs now than there are coal and oil in America and that's because of his stimulus plan he fundamentally changed this country given the resistance from the Koch brothers I think he did a pretty remarkable job I do you think for a second that if Hillary were president today that you or most of your people you know your friends would know who their city council members are and when the elections are and even care about them do you think that we would in California today be have just passed a single payer initiative or bill just about to go to the assembly do you think that would ever have gone this far the whole country is talking about single payer now do you think under Hillary that would have been in anybody's consciousness I don't think so at all I think congress I think we would have lost more of congress and then congress would even more of a roadblock to her than it was for Obama who didn't fight enough here's another damn thing Obama did he lost both houses of congress he gave up congress in 2010 did not fight for it did not use the resources that he had available during his election and you know even I knew during the 2010 election that this is really stupid why isn't he out there why isn't he using the same ground game that he did in 2008 to keep the house didn't he lose the house because of Obamacare wasn't there a concert he yes I'm sure that has something to do with it of course but he didn't go out he's a good speaker he should have done what Woodrow Wilson did for the League of Nations all around the country had a massive stroke no no Wilson stayed alive for most of his presidents no, Edith ran it Edith ran it yeah he Edith ran it but he came out for what Woodrow that's my Edith ah I'm doing my Edith Bunker go ahead you're wrong but go ahead you know what we're talking about women and women's rights and their health I don't think you should ever put a wasp nest a vagina because eventually somebody is going to get stung at a party well now apparently Goop Gwyneth Paltrow's website for all things female speaks of this vaginal rejuvenation where you put a wasp nest up your vagina right yes yes I mean isn't a vagina already a wasp nest I think you were the one who used to say that all the time and I would say Jim be nice to the people hey you know I grew up I grew up believing that wasp nest came from there but you know my girlfriend you know my girlfriend you put an eagle's nest in her vagina and now every morning Marlon Perkins has to climb up the ladder to check it Marlon Perkins from Mutual of Omaha yes Mutual of Omaha yeah Marlon Perkins yeah my mother mothers are important aren't they my mom always told me my mom always told me never put a wasp never put all your wasp eggs in one vagina you never know what will happen uh huh I just heard about this on the social media but they're saying that are they live wasps no you take one of those little wasp bulbs that grow on the side of oak trees have you seen that no I don't know you never went out when you were little no wasps have this special chemical that they inject into a tree and then the tree will grow a special bulb to protect the wasp eggs or some crap like that and what you're supposed to do is take one of those wasp bulbs and grind it up and then put it up your woohoo I didn't know you were pre-med well you know all the Latin you know all the you see Berkeley expressions isn't it true if I remember correctly you had a girlfriend and you put some wasps up or woohoo but it turned out the wasps had endometriosis right yes it's amazing what a coincidence that was horrible wasn't endometriosis Michael Dukakis' sister it's a good question perhaps you should get one of your researchers on that your interns didn't you uh once it Dave correct me if I'm wrong didn't you once contract uh throat cancer like Michael Jack Michael uh yes Michael Doug Michael Douglas did from uh going down on your girlfriend um I guess you know that's what you get for uh filling your girlfriend's vagina up with uranium 235 what were you thinking this is a powerful unstable element I know I'm never going to do that again it was it was a mistake yeah it's too late now I love discussing politics with you so where do you think things go from here Dave well they can only go I think I think it's really bad I really do I think that I get re-energized and I start fighting for my country but then I get tired because everyone around me is either stupid immoral or dishonest and I have a rule for people you have to you can suffer from one out of those three but if you have two of those three I can't have you in my life anymore so I'm spending a lot of time alone because most people have two of those things stupid stupid dishonesty immorality they all if you have two of those things so I would say you're okay I'll tell you why you're not stupid you're you're not dishonest you're honest to a fault but you are immoral so you're one out of those three so I'll keep you as a friend I think that's a fair statement that's a fair assessment you think I'm immoral? I think because you're so honest you lack empathy and you don't care if you hurt people's feelings I think you lack morality plus you've killed puppies no that's not true only for sex there's love in it it was sincere do you think you're guided by immoral conscience I know I am yes I believe I am but you don't believe in God that's one reason that's one reason I think I'm guided by immoral conscience I don't have faith in anything faith is an evil thing but without faith Jim Earl without a fear retribution from the Almighty how can you do good in this world how can I do good in the world how do you know right from wrong that's a good question that's a good question when did you discover you were an atheist you were an atheist when did you discover that you were an atheist probably when my father my father beat me when my father beat me your father beat me when you got the deny show your father beat you as a child no no I'm kidding both my parents were atheists and I think I only ask them about I ask my mom where we go when I die and she said well everybody goes and divides up your things no that's very late still but we go to the lawyers and divide up your things no no my mom my mom said I think she tried to say well your your soul goes up the sky and nothing happens did your mother go to college yes she went to Denver for school for women back then it was only a women's school it was only four women back in the 40s it was four women you mean there were four women or there were there were only four women and no University of Denver and as I remember at the University of Denver your mom started the mile high club yes she did I've always wanted to become part of the mile high club but I've never been able to get that far but I came very close to the other day when I ejaculated into an air sickness but you know really surprised the guy who was using it excuse me Reverend but that's my bag so your mother was college educated oh yes yes she was so was my grandmother she graduated from Bay City College in 18 98 or 1905 we're in San Francisco Bay City no Bay City Michigan Ann Arbor University of Ann Arbor I mean and did you know your grandmother oh put on a click yes love talking politics with you she was from Michigan she do you know what she studied when she went to college because it's very rare for a woman to have gone to college back then you know back there I also looked up my grandfather and my great-grandfather her father went to Yale and I looked up there their courses basically it was a lot of Latin and Greek and ancient history and a few languages so there was it was basically nothing having to do with everyday life and then my grandfather would after he graduated from college he became a lawyer in Bay City and he also owned a sawmill and he would ride the sawmill everyday on his bike and get taunted and beaten up by his polish employees that's that story well when you get beaten up by a polish employee what do they do they hit you over the head with a mug if that has the handle on the inside he had polish employees yeah a lot of sawmills had polish and yeah isn't it sure they went on didn't they go on strike to stop getting paid because they were they were polish they were polish right that's interesting but there were a lot of strikes back then people were very active back then there were all kinds of socialist candidates you know look going to the Chicago Daily Tribune digital archives that they have up now and you can go back in the 19th century and they're every every day of their paper I remember that famous headline that they got wrong Debs Beats Lafayette oh you don't get that yes I do I think Dewey Beats Truman yeah so I'm going for Debs Beats Lafayette but Lafayette they were from Wisconsin that was just bad bad bad joke Debs Beats Debs Beats Gompers name funny named Gompers Samuel L. Gompers what do you think the L stood for Larabee so what are you reading there Jim what are you reading before we wrap it up what are you reading these days I haven't read any fiction in years because I don't have the attention span for it anymore and I I've kind of been embittered you to life in general so I just read nonfiction and are you dating no are you meeting anybody am I meeting anybody yeah are you afraid of spending eternity alone without a god or a wife well these are all very personal questions and hard for me to answer at this moment because of the restraining order and the my anklet bracelet but things are fine I'm alright well they've been a lot better you know I had a family I don't want to get into specifics but one of the things I've learned and pretty much divorced is except for Muhammad Atta most of us die alone well at least he didn't die alone that's all I'm saying so what do you think of Russia you're not one of these dorks that's screaming trees and left and right are you I think anything you can do to slow this president down anything you can do to debilitate and just just flood him with subpoenas and depositions anything that just grinds him and ban into a complete standstill is a good thing yeah well I thought that's how we got to this position in the first place that kind of stuff well you certainly want to give this guy free reign do you mean you want to you want to be you just want to be anything he says is wrong whatever comes out of this guy's math I'm against it no no I don't I don't believe that at all because that's one of the reasons the democrats lost so fucking badly and they did lose badly are you saying to work with Trump no I'm saying I'm saying the democrats played an electoral college game and fucking lost and they lost because part of the reason was because Trump could say fucking bad things about the democrats and Hillary Clinton in particular and they were true we ran we should have run Elizabeth Warren yes well we should have run fucking Bernie Sanders and Elizabeth Warren that would have been a dream ticket can you not use the F word please because we have to bleep it for the radio oh I'm sorry yeah you're sorry it's your passing aggressive stuff it's what you do no I didn't know you were on like a real radio that had to be bleep well in case we run any of this you don't have to have somebody go I thought you were on some sort of like podcast thing you know or subscription service well this is a good Judeo Christian podcast and we don't curse are you still where do you work nowadays I'm in New York how is New York they still have those corner delis with the same fruit cup and beer and fruit salads and stuff egg salad sandwich New York asks about you all the time what do they ask I don't know I feel like Johnny Sack talking to Paulie about Carmine remember that episode you're not a Sopranos fan yeah remember when Paulie wanted to go work for Carmine in New York and Johnny Sack was playing him and said to Paulie he always asks about you Paulie believed him you don't remember that hey I don't remember that in particular will you come back let's do this more often should we do this more often if the connection is okay last time we did this the timing delay was all over the place made me sound horribly unfunny maybe that's just me anyway maybe there was something wrong with your earbuds maybe you just didn't hear it properly there could be there was a delay and I'm not a technical guy I'm still my edits and cylinders let's plug some gigs how do people follow you on Twitter I'm at Jim Merrill 666 hmm and on Facebook I just said Jim Merrill you'll recognize that it's this Jim Merrill not the four other Jim Merrill your music the clutter family can be downloaded on Amazon Jim Merrill is the man who can trace his DNA all the way back to the Mayflower, right aren't you no landed gentry when it comes to America no, no when was the Mayflower 1630 or 40 or something sorry something like that I heard I heard they came my earls came like in the 1690s I think that's very impressive a few years after you went on ancestry.com and traced your DNA and discovered that you were married to your aunt correct that's how it was a Morgan it was a Morgan Morganatic marriage what does that mean I'm going to try to do that with the Duke of Windsor King Edward what does Morganatic marriage mean it wouldn't be recognized by the church but you know yeah you don't have to be recognized by the church I don't think that's what the famous Yanlonite painting from the 15th century with the curved glass with the mirror yeah the wedding of something Arnold Feeney Arnold Feeney wedding that was a wedding document because it showed the people witnessing the wedding in the reflection of that con convex convex mirror would be a convex mirror right yeah and it had a signature on it so that was supposedly a wedding document that made it Morganatic yes I believe so I think there are various types of Morganatic weddings documents but very quickly Kathy Griffith yes I think I could kill that I think what she did was stupid and kind of dangerous hypocritical and it's a double standard both times people hung up at the G's and threatened Obama doing you know why was it dangerous I think it's well I think it's I think it could get for the same reason that inciting violence implicitly or directly by like Trump did or anybody beneath him did I think it can have the same effect and she should expect to have the Secret Service visitor just like anybody else for when they did the same thing to Barack Obama like Ted Nugent getting a visit from the CIA and what about Bill Marr I don't think she should lose her job right what about Bill Marr I don't I looked at that clip and I have no idea what the heck he was trying to do I think he just screwed up I think he was trying to make a statement that he wasn't a slave yet it was Nebraska they were talking about who knows what's going on in his mind it was a dumb stupid thing and he should have apologized and he did now you've been on the radio for 25 years live radio yeah give her right how many times have you said the N word said the N word yeah how many times have you you've done live comedy how many times has the N word slipped out of your mouth it used to be like well we used to have a bit with nothing but that in it remember and we've never done that before I know once it was a slip of the tongue speaking of slips of the tongue why don't you like to go down on women that's the word on the street that's what huggy is telling me alright it's a vicious rumor Jim Earl thank you buddy hey uh okay see you in court okay but some people like to listen to this show on YouTube so subscribe to our YouTube channel and do me a favor and give us a good review on iTunes you'd be amazed how much that helps giving us a good review on iTunes moves us up that's the way their algorithm works so when you give us a good review on iTunes you're really helping out joining us is our resident film critic Bill Snyder these are the movies he's going to be talking about today Wonder Women I Daniel Blake handsome devil band-aid and Churchill tell me about Wonder Women Wonder Woman is a pretty big deal it's a massive success after only a couple days of being open uh it is a you know just it is a true blockbuster and what's remarkable about it is the woman power involved here this is the first female directed movie to open this large 100 million dollars in the united states for weekend and uh you know kudos to Patty Jenkins the director who in fact has not directed a feature film since uh since the Oscar nominated movie uh monster in twenty oh three 2003 it's a very long time I lean war knows yes and this is a completely different essential female character in a movie and she's done some TV stuff for sure but this is her first feature film in that many years and it is fantastic it's just beautifully done and you know I was telling somebody the other day nothing shatters a glass ceiling like a 100 million dollar battering ram so this is already a big hit and internationally it's also a big hit and cheers to Gal Gadot who is the Israeli model turned actress uh as Wonder Woman her big screen expression of strength and compassion is absolutely inspiring she is definitely the right woman for the right role and this character has been around for a very long time DC comics as their big three Batman Superman and Wonder Woman and Wonder Woman was introduced after Batman and Superman in the early 40s by a man named William Moulton Marston and the character has this origin that's very heavy in Greek mythology and she lived on this secluded island called Themyscira or Paradise Island they also called it no men on the island just these tough and graceful Amazon women including her mom de facto mother Queen Hippolyta who was played in the movie by Connie Nielsen and the queen apparently longing to be a mother forms a child out of clay and Zeus breathes life into it and that's Diana Wonder Woman so we get a little bit of that origin in the movie but what we don't really get are all the lesbian and SNM undertones of the original comic book I'm not joking Wonder Woman was always being found in these comic book stories one way or another her catchphrase was suffering Sappho we all know the reference to Sappho and you know that said she eventually embraces I guess some sort of heterosexual dynamic by starting to hang out with Air Force pilot Steve Trevor who is her romantic interest and he is depicted in this World War One period piece that we're now seeing on our screens as the first human man to set foot on Paradise Island he comes through a wrist in the a tear in the fabric of the universe the dimension where this island is located and he's followed by angry German soldiers and sailors and this brings Wonder Woman into a contact with man's world and she decides to go well war by following Steve Trevor back through the wrist into I guess you know 1918-1919 whenever World War One was at its peak and fighting on the side of the Americans the British and I guess the French and you know you get all the little superhero stuff you get bullets and bracelets she has bracelets and she can deflect bullets with them she can sort of fly in a in a gentle poetic way she has a magic lasso of truth wraps it around you either you're going to boil from the heat of it or you're going to tell the truth I mean this is part of DC's current cinematic universe which is produces really heavy-handed man of steel about Superman Batman versus Superman which actually introduced Gal Gadot as Wonder Woman and she was the best thing about that suicide squad terrible and I've enjoyed Wonder Woman more than any of these films in fact any DC superhero movie since the Dark Knight which was the Christopher Nolan Batman movie I mean Gadot has this special something that few actresses have other than say Audrey Hepburn she has the ability to truly and sweetly convey compassion I mean it's remarkable to see and it was exhilarating to watch her no matter what she did on the screen she was in some John was it John Hamm movie with Zach Galifianakis this half-ass action comedy Keeping Up with the Joneses she was the best thing about that and she and Chris Pine deliver throughout Wonder Woman and as a character it's funny you know she's a warrior but she espouses a message of peace down the war mongers all the messages are great here and all the personal character moments are lovely and yeah you know there are CGI action sequences like there are in all superhero movies but they're judiciously used in the service of the story even the requisite final battle between her and the main villain mostly the film is this engaging origin story and you get the period social commentary what's a woman doing in the man's business basically and there's these adorable numerous moments romance a lot of heart and there are a few unobtrusive links to the other DC movies because she's going to show up again in the modern Justice League movie with Superman Batman Aquaman The Flash and the rest that said I really love this thing also good supporting work in the movie from Robin Wright as her Amazon aunt Danny Houston as a villainess German soldier and officer David Tewes as a British a peaceful British government guy who's trying to broker peace with the Germans and support work from a really cool bunch of characters like Saeed Tamali from France Ewan Bremner from England and Elena Anaya who's the Spanish actress who was in a couple of really cool films at least one of our films she plays this kind of psychotic villainous poison loving German scientist look dude you may not like movies like this but I give this the big thumbs up from me I thought it was really worthwhile and a good lesson for young girls who want to go to an action movie and get inspired really is it violent there are moments of violence but there's no blood maybe that sends a bad message you know when you stab people they should bleed right mm-hmm I Daniel Blake well I Daniel Blake is a better movie than Wonder Woman and that's saying a lot it was the winner of the Palm Door at the 2016 Cannes Film Festival and I think deservedly so a decent widowed middle aged working class guy in the British industrial town of Newcastle I guess what they make Newcastle Brown gets jacked around by the government assistance people when he's laid low by heart problems he's had a heart attack he's in his late 50s and he wants to get his modest life back on track I mean it's no surprise that the great populist lefty filmmaker Ken Loach is the guy behind this film he's taking on the horrors and crushingly soulless nightmare of modern bureaucracy this guy by the way Ken Loach 80 years old and still getting it done big time this is not quite Kafka's Daniel Blake tumbles down the rabbit hole of UK online forums and phone calls and case workers and that's kind of familiar to anyone who has tried to deal with the US unemployment compensation and the DMV and the IRS so by chance Blake meets a young unmarried mother of two kids at the and she's been hit by this hard luck with poverty and circumstance and Dan Blake is this kind hearted dedicated guy and he tries to help her and the kids who lack money for food and the heat in their apartment and they need emotional support so despite all the struggles he's there and the show plays out in somewhat unexpected ways heartbreaking ways and inspiring ways a guy named Dave John's he's a comic actor who's unfamiliar to me is absolutely great as Dan and Haley Spires who's a young actress who's only known to me from the British TV miniseries called the midwife and also another one called the south cliff she is wonderful as the unwed mother this is heartbreaking stuff it's genuine and it's a little scary and more than just a cautionary tale I mean it's a real 21st century tragedy playing out all around us and it looks like things are going to get worse here in the real world David I mean the desperation quiet and otherwise is palpable and devastating in I Daniel Blake a great and important film by a great and important director the guy just turned 80 and he's making films as potent and moving and true as ever and the wake of some really good ones like the wind that shakes the barley which was I think 2006 which was about the Irish War of Independence Angel's Sare like a mix of comedy road movie buddy picking ensemble heist movie about going to a distillery tour in Scotland and trying to get your hands on a precious blend of whiskey that was one of his most recent films he does a lot of different things and he does them all well and you know God bless if there is a God Ken Loach nicely done handsome devil handsome devil is a much more minor film it's a coming of gauge story it's a contemporary story about a boy named Connor and a boy named Ned and Connor is a star athlete and the new kid at the private school where Ned attends who's constantly being bullied he's a bit of an outsider and they are thrust together as roommates and it's a an odd couple to be sure Connor is going to be a part of the rugby team at the school reveres the rugby team and the rugby coach who has given all this leeway with the students but in fact Connor has a secret and the secret is that he likes boys and all this is going to blow up in everybody's space eventually you can't help but think so so it works handsome devil works because the actors are terrific they commit the writer director John Butler knows the material and does some fresh things with it and again the performances are really get on Fiona Shea as Ned and Nicholas Gallipcine as Connor are they're just pitch perfect and Andrew Scott who most people know from the Sherlock TV show as Moriarty is in this as a really well-liked and enthusiastic teacher of English and writing and he himself is involved in the eventual problems that break out between Ned, Connor and the rest of the people at the school this is your cup of tea I think it'll probably be good on streaming you don't necessarily have to see it in the movie theater it does have a sweetness to it and you know you kind of root for these kids and I never felt that it was Mawkish which says a lot about a movie like handsome devil let's talk about Band-Aid Band-Aid is an American indie which is basically directed by written by and co-starring Zoe Lister Jones a pretty talented young woman who is paired with Adam Polly who's been in a number of TV series usually playing kind of a doofus and they are a couple that are embroiled in constant bickering their relationship is kind of falling apart and the one way they think they can maybe come together and get past the angst and sadness of where their marriage has been going is to start a band because they both love music so they recruit one of their neighbors as a drummer the neighbor by the way played by Fred Armisen and they begin performing and they write songs that express the problems that they're having things don't easily go away in terms of their relationship difficulties and they start wrapping everybody in their world into what they're dealing with and it gets kind of ugly Hannah Simone from New Girl Lovely, Lovely Actress is in this in a supporting role and also there's a little bit of supporting work from Suzy Essman she's going to be on the show in two weeks she's so not the character of your enthusiasm in Band-Aid she's much sweeter and nicer and this is a very impressive debut by Zoe Lister Jones it's well modulated it's never dull, it's always funny and charming and sweet and there's a real patina of realness about this showing 20-somethings or 30-somethings involved in the rock and roll world a husband and wife who are trying to get by it's a nice touch with Band-Aid working on a lot of different levels is it a great film? No but you actually by Tally and Lister Jones as the couple it's surprisingly good let's put it that way, I didn't expect a lot it was surprisingly good and finally Churchill well Churchill was the most disappointing of all these films that we're talking about today the great Brian Cox is portraying British Prime Minister Winston Churchill and if you're under the impression that it's a movie biography no, it's not really it's a kind of a docu-drama about only a few days in Churchill's life with a few flashes forward and back so it's a, shall we call this a ticking clock thriller these are the 24 hours before D-Day primarily and Churchill basically doesn't believe it's going to work and wants to postpone D-Day and as I understand it those are historically accurate circumstances and it's a scattershot docu-drama and it has the pleasures of its two leads Cox as Winston and Miranda Richardson as his wife Clementine Churchill it has that and it has a muddled script which revolves around Churchill's apparently waning instincts and faltering leadership potential possibly undermining the allies D-Day landing in Normandy this is a story we don't necessarily know about so I was kind of fascinated to see it only it was not anywhere near as exciting and as engaging as it should have been despite the skill of the actors by the way John Slattery from Mad Men placed white the eyes in how we're in this film not bad, pretty nice pretty cool and uh you know let's be honest about this um Cox like I said sets a high bar everything I've ever seen him in he's been great and he's wonderful in this it's just the script and the idea of just focusing on these few days undermines what could have been a more powerful film he told a colleague of mine that he was inspired in his characterization by family guys on the phone to Reeves, Stewie Griffin I'm not kidding really as Churchill? yes that can't, I love that but sure why not he actually said he told my friend Tim a fellow reviewer Michael Snyder is the resident film critic here great job we'll talk to you next week sir alright buddy for as little as $5 a month you can gain access to all our premium content we accept all major credit cards please go to David Feldman show dot com hit the go premium button and sign up you can gain access to all our premium content Andrew Goldstein's here hello sir hi David how are you very good last time you were here yes sir I wouldn't let you leave and you have a dog I do dusty and you had to get back to dusty because he needed to go outside I was worried that he would do-do in the apartment which he is prone to do sometimes but to my pleasure he I got home and he had not but I held you here for as long as I possibly can because you're a mensch I am and we're waiting for the great Lori Kilmartin yeah I love Lori she did my podcast sorry I've been so busy also tell me about sorry I've been so busy we talked to very busy people about what they are telling busy we talked to very busy people about what they're busy with or not so very not so busy people about what they're lying about busy being busy with I just butchered that four times and who do you host the show with Matt Goldich who is a writer for late night with Seth Meyers we were camp counselors together we were NBC pages together we started out in comedy in New York together and now we are co-hosts of a podcast are you competitive not no do you measure your career against him no he's a fantastic Joe he's double the joker writer I'll ever be are you capable of jealousy yes who are you jealous of say me David Feldman thank you you know it creeps in when you see somebody you started you're like man that guy's not that funny and he you know that person grabs a pretty good good gig mm-hmm but you kind of know like it's all confidence is it those guys some of the some of those people that annoys me when it's like they're not really they're not working with jokes they're just confident I think I just struck a nerve with Alex struck a nerve isn't it so how do you how can you survive as a joke writer off confidence eventually you have to sell it in the room these people are selling it in the room their ideas their pitches but on paper confidence won't catch any not necessarily joke writing but like some comedians that have landed some things it's a lot less so now because now I'm more on the producer side so now it's more people who are like selling shows and that you're doing you're doing international work for MTV I am indeed every other country but this one is airing my TV show called video it's a it's basically human beavis and butthead it's pairs of comedians in different living room setups watching new semi-new and old classic music videos and cracking wise are you giving them jokes yes we we write questions are we write questions for our producers in the room and the producers we do one full run through of the video that the comedians watch down without stopping and it's a stream of conscious whatever comes out of their mouth and then we play the video back a second time and this time we're pausing it and producers are peppering them with questions that we the right it that the writing staff had has come up with to pull the sound bites out of the comedians music videos yes sir there was a time in the early eighties when they said that music videos killed music that people were no longer listening to music they were watching it that's change people have gone back to listening to music and music videos have kind of disappeared yes they've disappeared on television they don't really rate so much on television though we're trying to bring that back to the exit on youtube yes they're probably are they're the most watched content on youtube music videos yes yes you heavily take your biggest art take yes heavily produced take your biggest artist your Katy Perry's your Lady Gaga's your Beyonce's those videos get like to between one and two billion like billions of views and even your new artists like a like a young upstart pop star will release one video and you'll check within like two days and it will have over a million when I say have the heavily produced are they concept really jib cameras really yeah full movie shoots there's nobody's really doing the performance video anymore they set up a couple cameras at your concert I mean these are like full storytelling movies movie you know I believe me I watched over 200 videos for this series and we're blown away by the production values okay I learned something new today I assume that people have just gone back to listening to music youtube killed the music video on television because I used to write TRL also which was total request a lot of requests live on MTV and that show went away because of youtube basically and now music videos kind of live on youtube and Vimeo that's where people do you know that people are actually eyeballing these videos because I will listen to music on youtube without actually looking I think probably a percentage of those views are probably people put the music on through youtube in their house when do you listen to music you know it's a sad state of affairs I podcasts have ruined music for me because I am straight podcast Alex on the third mic yet Baba Buoy Baba Buoy Alex went to Berkeley School of Music I know it's very sad Alex podcast consumes all my all my time at the gym commutes when I'm getting ready in the morning it's a podcast not music it's very sad at the gym why would you listen to a podcast because it needs to be energized the time I don't need the it's yeah the motivation doesn't bother me anymore don't you need to be pumped up by the music not not for what I'm doing it at my advanced age no I mean I switched to podcast because honestly I have this bear on my shoulder at all times being like I have eight podcasts in my queue I gotta get them I gotta finish them I love those podcasts okay so there are categories the David Feldman show here on the show you are in my queue I can show it to you right now you are in my queue I love your podcast there are categories I love professional wrestling which we've talked about before when I've been on your show so I have a series of wrestling podcasts that I listen to then sports series of sports podcast that I listen to and then comedy and news is probably my third bucket what are your comedy podcast so my comedy podcast I like top notch guy that podcast great guests Pete Holmes when he has a podcast that's like in the hour range hour plus range if he goes 2 3 hours it's very hard what an idiot what kind of schmuck what asshole what arrogant asshole thinks that somebody has more I'm kidding no you do it but like that's your shtick some Pete Holmes I mean he I don't know it's tough I like Pete pizza pizza very good podcast what else do I listen to this guy John Gabriel says a very good podcast called high and mighty which he gets high and talks to his friends very funny he's in the MTV universe UCB universe very funny guy oh you know Jess Dweck and Mike Drucker have a podcast called how to be a person how do you find these podcasts word of mouth and Twitter like I see if I see like somebody I'm interested in is on a podcast I'll give it a try who you interested in mostly like other comics writers producers people in the entertainment industry doing cool things how they did it and I would how to be a person I think you'd be you would dig okay they're two like former monologue writers who are doing other things and they each episode the person their guest teaches them how to do something because they don't feel like their people so they're being taught how to be people I would relate to that it's really really because you're a person it's really good you and your wife are going to AC we're seeing Chris Rock tomorrow Al Cowan's house not we're seeing Al Cowan's he has a one-man show it's in his white Bronco he drives around and yes jokes because you know who I am you know it's so funny there's a show going around in AC it's Anderson Cooper and Andy Cohen my wife saw it she had to for what are you talking about they do a show in AC in AC that sells out and I said what do those guys do Anderson Cooper and Andy Cohen for an hour more like AC DC if you know what I mean hey now um AC I'm thinking AC DP uh-huh yeah he I don't know what there's a they're not neither of them are comedians I guess they're both engaging fellas but they both tell celebrity stories when they were growing up everybody I'm not gonna say that's what they do they tell but this is what's happening in Atlantic City these days but anyway we're seeing Chris Rock and very excited I'm excited to see who opens for him because apparently he's he's been featuring a lot of like fun surprise guests as his as his feature who else will be and it turns out that Alex of the Alex of the Bruce studios is going to be there with his father and you're gonna go to Atlantic City are you gonna gamble I look forward to being at the black check table with Alex Alex is gonna fund me at the black check he's at the generic because as you taught me before we went on air never gamble with your own money that's right my father used to come visit me when I played casinos and he would slip me a 20 and say gamble don't gamble with your own money here's a 20 is there's nothing better than getting a little cash from your dad I miss that yeah yeah I used to make the hundred in my dad when I first moved to New York my dad would like come up give me a hundred dollars and I would make that hundred I would you have to do with what your father making you know I would make that hundred last I was very good at making that hundred last for a week mm-hmm when did your father pass away 2000 in early 2002 now did you love him yes sir he was sad he was a terrific he was a terrific guy super funny the life of the party that was he was a musician so he was gigging on the weekend my whole childhood was him gigging and I'd be like where are you Saturday night and he would be like such and such neighborhood and I'd be like oh my friend from camp so and so lives right near there and then he would drop me there and pick me up the next was he a full-time musician he was a psychologist by day he always had to have a day gig that was his lesson to me he was a musician he used to do whatever you want creatively but you always have to have a day gig and then yeah he was a fantastic saxophone clarinet piccolo flute jazz uh chlesmer dixieland and you know bar mitzvah's weddings dr. Goldstein he was not a doctor he was a psychologist yes but he was not a doctor he was a forensic psychologist he worked for the state what does that mean he would it was people who committed crimes and I think that him and his colleagues they would interview he would they would talk to these people to see if they were sort of sane enough to go to jail or be admitted to the hospital hmm so he's very into he had a lot of funny stories of these terrible people that he encountered and my dad he told me probably too early for me to hear you seem well adjusted I'm pretty well adjusted you are having a psychologist for a father he wasn't psychoanalytic at all but his behavior how he raised you did he it was a broken home you know in the house my mom raised me and my dad was not he left when I was four in terms of living in the house you know how psychologists break up with their wives how our time is up yeah exactly so but he wasn't the guy he wasn't the guy sitting in a chair while somebody is on a couch you know pouring their heart out to him he was very clinic you know in a state hospital talking about the state hospital too but he was yeah he was a conservative guy and he was a torn between the old school you gotta make a living and he was a super talented musician in Philadelphia wedding bands openings of banks you know steady gigs at night clubs and halls everything was he frustrated as a musician or was he satisfied I don't think he was frustrated I think he had some regrets about not pursuing things a little farther he always said I said saxophone, clarinet, piccolo, flute he always said if I learned the oboe I could have gone to Broadway because you have to learn all of them you can't just show up and say hey I play saxophone and they put you in the pit at least in those days it was you gotta know all of them and the one would win or whatever that he didn't learn you could tell me if that's part of the right family he never learned the oboe so he couldn't go to Broadway and then his other dream was he wanted to be in the FBI and he didn't follow that either but he was a hairdresser before he went to college and while he was a musician his original he was a hairdresser this was early 70s late 60s early 70s I'm gonna, Lori kill Martin I'm gonna switch seats is she coming in let's not stop we'll just do it in real time I'm just telling you about my dad but he was a wonderful guy a hairdresser gave me my sense of humor I believe and your first haircut oh he used to cut my hair in the driveway why in the driveway because he wasn't really allowed in the house so he would show up in the driveway everyday after school everyday at like 3.30 because he worked at 9 to 5 but instead he would go in and we could be there when we got home from school that's the kind of guy he was bring Lori in I'm gonna switch seats hi Lori hi I'm filling time I'm bad you sit right there I'm leaving shortly anyway how are you Lori Kilmartin joins us did you do fugal sang no I didn't they didn't he bolted I said Lori Kilmartin's here and he bolted out of his seat and he said let's find her they didn't find me I don't know Andrew Goldstein do you know Lori Kilmartin she did our podcast not too long ago sorry I've been so busy here on the show bristudios network did you know that she has a podcast with Jackie Casey I do and my roommate Mia we just talked about you last night the night before her roommate in New York Mia Moore is I shouldn't have probably said her full name but anyway we've worked together on a couple projects M&M Mia Moore Mia Moore oh no he's divorced he's getting divorced without getting into specifics without mentioning names we ran into each other you guys just mentioned my roommate's name we were ran into each other at Sirius yesterday I had just gotten back from the woods you seemed a little tense and focus very focused like a laser on an email you were crafting towards somebody that I felt your email wasn't helping you the tone wasn't serving you and you were sending it that was my that was my feeling it was a female lawyer and let's say the female lawyer's name is Andrea Goldstein and I kept saying she sounds hot I kept writing now Mr. Goldstein well that's your first hit problem how sexist Laurie you and I go back you used to watch me do stand up I used to watch you do stand up you used to laugh when I pissed off entire audiences my favorite thing watching you walk a crowd about Mills College and they're all female student body which is now not how bad is it to antagonize somebody if I were to say now Mr. Kiliman well it's not it's just a annoying deliberate it's not insulting it's just like why and especially when I know you know I'm a female why and it really makes me think there's something wrong with you and then when I have my client is the woman I think oh I'm completely on her side 100% I would not dissuade her I would not try to tone her down I would say go all in this guy has a problem that's what I'm saying yeah so it's a perfect way to double your billable out I know I really is what are you I'm a good but you know here's Al Al Franken is a senator right yes now he just canceled a gig with Kathy Griffin I want to talk about that because he should have because he's a politician now that's his job now and that's fine he has to get reelected he needs to be questioning Jeff Sessions not standing up for Kathy Griffin's you know bad idea right so I'm okay with that you are trying to extricate yourself from a marriage with some money so you're not a comedian right now right now you're someone who'd make smart choices so that he has a little bit of money left right yeah right okay well said concise yeah yeah you're not Al Franken isn't a comedian in this position and you aren't one either yeah but I did kind of enjoy it dear mr. Goldstein just calling I have to leave can I ask a question while Lori's here before I leave because she brought up Kathy Griffin yes why did she apologize isn't the comedians tack to say I'm not apologizing for my joke though it may have been in poor taste I agree yeah I guess so I especially to Trump the guy who doesn't apologize to anyone couldn't she have made I don't think she apologized to Trump I think she apologized to people I would say she apologized to people who who were parents of people that were beheaded and who's has were being held up like that and maybe she kind of didn't realize what that image would mean to some people you know I don't think she I don't think she apologized to Donald Trump at all she didn't well she's and then she said that the administration is bullying her I'm sure they are but because of the attention she's getting I would use that to double down and be like I'm not apologizing for anything until you apologizing until you apologize for and then list sure yeah do the list yeah I think a lot of I think the problem is a lot of people got spooked by it I think a lot of people are frightened right now and they want to pick their battles and defending Kathy is not I think it's she's worth defending it but I think a lot of people like Al I don't have a dog in this fight right right exactly yeah he's got voters to think about he does he's he's not a super left state it's he barely won his first election and so you know he has to get reelected we need him in the Senate oh hundred percent yeah so what are your thoughts on that or do you not want to comment on on Kathy Griffin yeah I just thought it was a really bad idea it was just bad for her career I don't I didn't think it like it wasn't funny you know it was really stark it I I would be she could do whatever she wants though but I was a comic like I can defend any joke no matter how that mean it is because it's you can see a joke structure and stuff I just didn't see like the joke in it so for me it's it's an artistic piece I was I'm surprised a comic would do it and not you know who's the lady used to pour chocolate on like it Karen family somebody like that I could see them doing it and it Gallagher he poured watermelon juice all over himself but somebody like that it doesn't hurt their career because although I can't think of anybody like that like that so maybe there isn't anyone like that right now you know but it's it's it's an odd choice for a stand-up comic to make to me because it's not hilarious it's not funny rich you know she wrote the joke early in the S&L right yeah but that was a joke yeah I mean that's why all the comedians came to her defense because it's a joke it's like a given thing was like by the way I made a mistake I was talking to Corey Bretschneider on last week's show about Katie rich being fired from SNL for something she tweeted that had nothing to do with Saturday Night Live yes because we're talking about first amendment rights and I said that Seth McFarland hired her but it was Harmon town yes it was Dan Harmon I thought she was just suspended she got fired she got fired oh and one of the questions was do you have first amendment rights and it has nothing to do with the government so no you don't and yes you can be fired for something you tweet during your off hours you can actually be fired member Melissa Villasenor she used to do my show all the time yeah she ran into some trouble for things she tweeted when she was a kid yeah yeah she wasn't they used her on the first SNL right the opener of the season she's still on the show how's she doing she wasn't in much but that's not uncommon for them with women plus they have Kate McKinnon is just like she might have a shot because two female cast members are leaving Bobby Moynihan what? is he also your divorce attorney because what is with you and genders I just because you're right that doesn't mean I'm wrong everything's fluid in 2017 you can't get on David for I sympathize with Kathy first of all there are a lot of things people accuse me of saying that I don't mean Jeff remember Jeff Wills he took us to see Kathy Griffin at the Nokia Theater it was the Kodak Theater it must have been five years ago where do they do the Oscars it's like the Microsoft Theater that theater is a self-hating Jew it just keeps changing its name over and over again the Lefkowitz Theater Lefkowitz Theater so I watched her she is one of the best stand-up comics really interesting trafficking and gossip and she is an a-hole she goes out of her way to antagonize so I'm getting a note here oh okay is that from an attorney please stop talking never dealt with lawyers just a teeny bit when I was working at custody with my son so you were married no no no we weren't married am I violating any privacy no it's the lawyer the way you're looking at her kind of is it was all settled and he called me to check up on me like two years later and build you 100 bucks I didn't call you nothing wrong so I didn't pay him and he said he wasn't representing me anymore it was 100 bucks for me to say I'm doing good thanks bye seriously they are the absolute I'm gonna watch what I say but when it's a hack premise but I totally agree I have one my entertainment lawyer is the best Jared Levine the greatest lawyer in the history of lawyers sounds like a lawyer oh he's the best honorable, honest the rest I am stunned stunned by what they are capable of they I don't think there's a criminal who's ever done anything worse than the person representing them oh wow hot take on that hot take I have to leave but I love you bye thank you so let me know how Atlantic City goes Goldstein I'm so glad he's gone where is he going I don't know he's married he's happy he's in love so you have a roommate in New York you're not living here though you're still here and I live there and I'm on the road and you know good let's talk about your projects that you're doing let's talk about your amazing special that everybody is talking about they are really you had a tragedy you opened for me once and you turned it was devastating it was devastating so we can talk about your special about your father and the jokes about your father you live tweeted a tragedy yeah I mean it wasn't even a tragedy he was 83 so I wouldn't call that a tragedy it's just the winding down of your of a parent right so but it's still pretty shocking when it's your parents and you have a new CD I do it's a CD version of my special that came out in December hidden behind the CISO paywall it's 399 a month which is apparently too much for a lot of people I had people I want to watch it but it's on CISO I'm like you know it's it's pretty accessible you just have to sign up and then you could sign out before they charge you to get like a free month exactly if you're an Amazon let me tell you how to do it that hurt people I guess it was too hard and Amazon Prime if you're an Amazon Prime member for three bucks a month you sign up for CISO yeah you see Lori and you say you saw let's pretend your name is Sue you say you saw us why do I have to have an alias in this story so I can say did you see Sue and CISO oh my god is that the should we just done the podcast now is that why I was here my life we could end I saw saw on what's it called CISO CISO did you see saw on CISO I saw oh my god this is we actually Neil Brennan stopped doing my podcast because remember we used to do those live shows at the fake gallery and Jim Merrill and Eddie Pepitone and I wrote something that involved seeing the movie saw that went on for 20 minutes and I think Neil Brennan decided never to do my podcast again because he was part of that sickness what is the name of your new CD it's the same as the special it's called 45 jokes about my dead dad and it's on it's on it's you can pre-order it on iTunes and it comes out officially on June 9th Friday June 9th and what is the name of your special 45 jokes about my dead dad and 45 jokes about your dead dad can we talk about this okay you live tweeted your father who was your father his name is Ron Kilmartin and he was involved with the state department wasn't he I thought he was like a diplomat Jim Merrill always accused him of being a CIA spy because he worked in all these countries that happened to have civil wars and you know governments overthrown while he was there or right before or right after your father died in Benghazi because Hillary forgot to provide the security and you were live tweeting you were writing jokes I was in the embassy I thought he was people were shocked shouldn't you be helping your dad now I'm getting followers I thought he was like a diplomat no he was a civil engineer and so he worked in he worked in Iran, he worked in Turkey he worked in Saudi Arabia, the Philippines and Nicaragua come on come on that sounds pretty suspicious his country resume is just a nightmare civil engineer working with infrastructure building dams and things like that like for Bechtel yeah he did work some work for Bechtel and then he worked for IECO international engineering company and then he worked Bechtel as I remember that was like George Schultz's company Secretary of State on the Reagan they had a little stuff they were building things that's pretty suspicious did he not tell you no because that wasn't what he was but I think I have heard there's like a secret wall for undercover CIA people after they die you know like an undercover you know there's like the there's a memorial wall in the CIA for known CIA agents who die and then there's a secret there's a secret one for not known CIA agents and I'm sure my dad isn't one of them but that would be amazing to stumble upon that information well it's secret he was a very rugged good looking man he's a good looking guy he was CIA where'd he grow if you mind if I ask to beat good Kansas oh come on that's like Midwest you can try no Jewish blood inside of him Protestant? Irish Catholic well the founder of the the OSS was Irish Catholic oh really? yeah while Bill Donovan was Irish Catholic everybody thinks the Bushies the Protestants started the CIA it was the Irish Catholics interesting yeah my dad grew up in I guess it's the Westboro part of Topeka the Fred what's his name? Phelps yes I love him I do I do first of all he's a lawyer he is he's got a lot of qualities to admire honestly I want to talk about two jokes about my dead dad it's 45 actually I know I'm Jewish you're commissioning 43 of the jokes just to do this podcast whenever I don't have a joke I just resort to being Jewish so Fred Phelps I like Fred Phelps because if you're going to be an A-hole and you show up at a soldiers funeral with a sign that says God hates f-words it's horrible to do that to the family but it's as brave as brave can be it really is to be that much of a 100% I mean he's all in you're yawning so I'm always tired and I had to wake up early to do a different podcast this morning I couldn't sleep last night I don't sleep well I want to ask you about your dad and I also want to ask you about your sleep schedule because the first thing I said to you it's serious yesterday was how the F do you do what you do as a kid I can barely you know I don't even have the energy to fall asleep that's why I feel at night my brain starts going at night I can't close my eyes I'm too tired somebody close my eyes for me how many hours of sleep do you require I feel great when I get like 8, 7 hours I feel great I think you probably got about 5 last night 5 isn't bad I'm operating on 5 it's awful it's not good enough no you need a full 8 do you drink coffee what about you're a comedy writer you're one of the great comedy writers stop yawning you're not one of my audience members it's the afternoon now you're making everybody else yawn I know I'm boring do we have is this as big of an audience as you play for it you said you're making everyone else as if this is a crowd it's just one person the fact that you're listening to me you've just doubled my listeners you're a great joke writer but you have to be sharp all day you're like a fire person you do get dull on the afternoon did you feel like that I'm always strongest in the morning and then by 3.30 in the afternoon and you're looking at the same stories there's no other way to turn this one around you're a mono writer what is your best hour I guess between 10 and 11.30 because we write premises from 9.30 to 10 and then we compile them and just start working off them and I get off the computer and I write them by hand after off a printed sheet then I type them before they're due you write them by hand why is there something physical about it and just getting off the internet is really good and just sitting in a chair I think it helps for some reason seeing a word printed on paper somehow the space in the word makes you look at the story differently as opposed to seeing it on a screen I don't know why because you're looking at the same thing on a screen but it really changes how you look at a story to me anyway do you ever change the font I'm serious no I've never thought about that oh I do that all the time really what do you mean the way I write jokes yeah hang on take a nap because it's going to get really boring I'll do the setups in bold then I'll change the font because that little nuance will help me see things differently because it is a game of serifs it really is yeah interesting because a joke can be a minor just a minor switch and sometimes changing the font will help me see it differently that's a good idea maybe I'll try that when we get back next week we're off this week and do you write these great jokes do these great jokes come to you and you go damn it I I can't use this usually no because usually the stuff I like to write for myself is so dark it wouldn't ever get on television anyway or it's just I just know it's not right for the show so I don't feel like oh I'm surrendering this one to the show usually the ones for the show work it's rare that he picks one that I could also take for myself when you say he we're talking about Samantha B you're doing it again but you work for Conan and she's a delight to work for Conan because the stuff I like to do for myself is very obviously from a female who's mad or something you know what I mean you're not a mad but you're not talking about politics and stuff it's very from my point of view and so when I first for Conan it's obviously from his point of view sometimes there are some jokes I'm like ah darn he picked it got on the show that you don't agree with oh he'll never take that one and I can tweet it later and he'll and he does it and I'm like dang and you're allowed to tweet his rejects yeah I mean yeah he doesn't want them yeah so and do you ever go into his office if something does really well on twitter and say look look what you missed you made me hate myself no because you know the other half of it it's gotta be a topic he's interested in really written the way he would speak it and all that kind of stuff and so yeah now is there a joke that you've been writing for the past 20 years that you submit every year I cannot get onto a show because I have a joke that I can't get anybody to do the running of the Bulls of Pamplona it was so bloody they should change the name to Tamplona every job I've ever had I always pitch the Tamplona joke and nobody I nobody will I'm sorry that's terrible that's a travesty I love that joke I do love it that's great I made me laugh it's too good for people it's too good for comedy it's too good for this world have you ever had a boss say that to you Dennis Miller used to say that to me it's too good for the show it was so demeaning well there's a thing of it's too smart for the audience like if you think oh our audience probably isn't going to know who that person is they're going to laugh at that one yeah so sometimes we lose jokes because we just think they'll they won't work with our crowd now working for Conan is a horrible thing because once you leave you're you're we he's the nicest person in the world that's why no one leaves but the problem is you're like millennials yeah once you leave I'm in Conan's basement living happily no what I'm saying is millennials you know are I don't want to say sheltered but it's a I have worked on other shows before this so I know how bad it can be but I appreciate my shelter I'm more like a refugee who goes oh I know I have it really good because I lived in Syria yeah I eat the Bonnie Hunt show yeah I appeared on a show in Aleppo that you were working on I don't want to mention the name of the show but you had this look of can you rescue me I'm not going to mention that you certainly paid your dues you are very liberal because your father was in the CIA and you're not allowed to let on that you're really part of the I'm deep under cover so you have to pretend to be under Paige Phillips of who's Paige Phillips Jennings sorry Paige Jennings do you watch the Americans I've watched a couple of episodes oh man her daughter well I don't want to ruin it for you I mean we're five seasons in I watched a couple of episodes and I thought you know this is great but I have to rewatch the Sopranos for the 50th time alright what shows do you watch I watch the Americans Veep, Silicon Valley Veep is the best oh my god it's so great it's so great Veep is the best Armando Iannucci do you know him I don't know him can you get him on my show no I don't know him so can you go meet him I don't think I can he would like you he would love you go meet him and say you should do David's show see he's in Britain right he's British he's British and he made my favorite movie in the loop oh I've never seen that movie it's the best I should watch it if it is it's the best and then you watch Silicon Valley which I haven't seen yet I really like it it's really funny and how many shows can you watch at one time very not many I just if I can't you know I'll watch like one half hours and the Americans is the only hour I watch right now I just will stay up late on Wednesday night although it's finished for the year you have your best hour at work what about that hour when you get up in the morning oh that's yeah that's a good hour I worked on a book basically I wrote a book in that hour and what was the name of the book it's called dead people suck and it's kind of like just funny essays about more about death and stuff I pitched it when no one was buying my special and and so then they it seems like I have an obsession which I don't I'm happy to never talk about death again after this book comes out okay let me go over your body of work how many comedy CDs have you put out one this is my second one the first one is called five minutes to yourself and I would assume that came out about five years ago 2009 yeah I haven't done many comedy CDs I only only like about five minutes of my act at a time so the sometime I guess the always the thought of like oh I have to dredge up that old thing to fill out the time I just I never pursued it but I should because that's easy money you know you don't have a CD to you I do left without paying really yeah I like it has a timbadoor produced it oh wow that's cool and it came out in 2009 or 2010 and it's it's a pun because it's left yeah I'm left-wing yeah but there's a naked prostitute on the bed so it's like I left her without paying I don't know how we came up with that and now what is the name of our new album Alex pay what you want we're putting together an album cool call pay what you want where people can pay what they want oh nice and you get SoundCloud money for the other one SoundCloud money is he registered on SoundCloud SoundCloud or CD baby wait it's not SoundCloud what's it called no not CD baby god dang it I forget you get I get like a couple hundred every month for what just for five minutes to myself it's they track whenever your CDs played on any sort of radio and you get a little portion of it and I mean if your CDs on radio they're holding your money for you you just have to sign up for it I will next time I get it I think I know what you're talking yeah it's not called SoundCloud no it's something out of sound exchange sound exchange out of Washington DC maybe yeah right I think I wrote to them once and you said hello Mrs. SoundCloud so you get a couple hundred dollars a month yeah just off of that and and that's a really old CD and like I know other comics that have you know four or five CDs and they get they get a nice amount of money at least like a thousand or eleven hundred a month or something really my friend I mean that's interesting she gets she gets rent every month she gets her full rent every month off a couple of her CDs it that's already stuff you've done and it's out so it's it really moves you to look into that and to put out more CDs because they they need stuff to play you know yeah I've kind of just yeah I should do that I should I should definitely there are not enough male Jewish comedians no they're not you'll get a there'll be a lot of interest so you have one CD and you work the road and you write comedy yeah and you have a son yeah how do you find time for yourself well um I don't know okay so let me tell you what do you mean okay so let me tell you my life okay and you compare it okay divorced right kids out of the house live alone heaven heaven and responsibilities whatsoever and there's no time for me to do what I want to do right it's often worse when you have an open open day it's harder than if you have like 14 things to do that day because you you're like I got it like I have no choice I have to do this now and I want to read the New York Times and the Washington but I just want to mm-hmm yep you're every minute of your life is accounted for it feels like it it feels like it and then one day it won't be right I know I feel like this is my decade of smashing everything in because I I'm trying to save up money for my future you know and save up money for my kids college and because I know there'll be a time when I'm not wanted and I'll want to have some you know so I'm not you know I don't know so I'm just trying to look out for myself when I'm 70 or 80 or something it's pretty amazing because you know the way my life used to be yeah it was cats dogs kids yes right okay wife right nieces nephews stray human beings would be brought in like it was it was amazing yeah it was just like come home who's this okay you know really oh yeah that's me strays where'd you guys live we lived in the mid-wilshire district okay there were at any given time four cats and four dogs wow at any given time a kid who was not mine would be there wow and I just accept I thought well this is going to be my life forever this is just going to be a noisy place where I'm anxious and can't have good things the door was left open because there was nothing to steal other than my heart and then one day it's this hmm wow it's just this and at first you want it you know not bad and then you go oh this is pretty quiet yeah this is pretty f and quiet it gets pretty quiet yeah so enjoy the chaos the chaos well my mother lives with me in Los Angeles yeah that's it's hard to enjoy that chaos how's she doing there's always hurting there's always there's always a problem mother's never a day where she feels okay mothers and daughters oh it's when I found out I was having a boy I canceled the abortion I was so excited because boys love their mothers my son he's a mama's boy it's we're good we're gold and my sister has two daughters and I'm like oh man wow I'm obsessed with Queen Elizabeth I've just been obsessing with watch the crown I love it so great I love it I love the crown not because I'm gay I just love the I loved it I thought she was great and I've I'm rewatching it I've been watching all these documentaries about Queen Elizabeth and the Queen mom and their relationship it's every mother and daughter you can it could be you could be Queen Elizabeth and it's still the mother the two of them yeah you can see them sniping at one another what is going on was there a different doc I would love to watch the doc is it something on Netflix about the two of them they're on YouTube I just find all these oh okay entries about the complicated relationship between Elizabeth and Elizabeth oh my god you were I'm obsessed with the royal I was especially during the Diana years I was complete I was like that girl that was in love with Princess Diana totally obsessed with her so I became very knowledgeable on all of them but she was my entryway and then after she died I was just like I don't know I just sort of lost interest and then I got more interested in Ireland and then I became angry at the British okay so explain to me mothers and daughters what is going on I think the you look to your mother and I I know there are mothers and daughters who get along and look at their mother's role model or you look at your mother as a reverse role model like I don't want to be that and that's sort of me and so even now the way the way she's aging I'm like I I'm just I'm like like exercise you know do something you know I mean I it makes me angry every every her approach to everything makes me angry and it's really negative and it's really not curious and I feel like she's in me and I struggle and I fight to not be like that and I think that maybe that's a lot of daughters when they have that kind of relationship it's like I don't want to wind up like that I don't want to be that person but there's we see that person in you because that's half of you I used to see my father and me you do the joke must die I used to see my father and me because my uncle would videotape oh my god I can't help it my father I love my father and I used to do things anyway we had a great sense of humor so he's still alive I'm just not allowed to see him anymore because of a corridor because of your uncle he's my uncle I would see my father in me and I would hate it and then one of my sons said to me I see you in me oh no you just you just have one son right I have a couple of sons you don't know about my whole family my ex-wives and lots of children because we don't tell the truth about we cannot in fact I quoted you a couple of nights ago or on a different podcast someone asked about talking about your family and your kid what I say about my son isn't true certain elements are true but the outcome isn't true at all and I tell my son that too I say I make up things about you on stage and you quoted me because I thought you always said that the deal has always been was I could say anything I could say the most horrible things as long as they weren't true and I got into trouble on Greg Fitzsimmons podcast about a year ago when I said my daughter or one of my daughters is hysterically funny, brilliant and beautiful and I got into a lot of trouble it was an invasion of her privacy to which I should have said the deal is I didn't I can't speak the truth I said you were pretty attractive, smart as long as it's not true and I get that I would never talk about my family on the show and stand up and I do I always feel like when I talk about my son I'm really talking about motherhood and I'm talking about me and I complain about things that are dumb to complain about or whatever so to me what I'm talking about is how hard it is for me and I do it by using my son as a kind of a prop in the joke but it's about me not him you remind me of Warren Thomas oh really? oh my god we were talking about John Russ was on the show we were talking about Warren who we lost 10 years ago Warren was a great comedian and he was built he had a constitution that didn't quit John lived with him and John used to talk about Warren taking part in what he shouldn't have been partaking and probably brought about his early demise but Warren for lack of a better word was a gourmand when it came to things other than food and he would go days without sleep and then go play basketball I remember John Russ telling me Warren had no sleep he had a chocolate cake on the court and playing basketball while eating chocolate cake I never forgot that image to me the chocolate cake would knock me out for a week Warren was just built a certain way always looked great and then when I ran into you at Sirius yesterday I looked at you and I was exhausted and I hadn't done anything I just come back from the woods one email that set me off and I looked at you and I thought she's got a 10 year old kid she's got a full time job she's running around pitching her CD pitching her special doing 15 pot I got exhausted looking at you where do you get the energy from and you should be you're yawning but you you should be catatonic you should be comatose right where do you get your energy from I know you were swimmer in college I don't feel like I'm a high energy person I don't know I don't think I'm doing that much do you take naps during the day I did yesterday it was delightful but at work I don't really take a nap no one can argue my batch three of jokes is written in some sort of nap formation because they're awful but all you need is one good one I know really just two two or three maybe you just need one great joke a great one and a good one and you've had a good day now are you at a point where you know you wrote a grote joke a grote jake I can tell when you have jokes that are like yeah that's a really good one come up with that idea and then you have the old those will work jokes and I think sometimes when you're building a monologue if you're going to do a really smart one you want to protect it with some couple easier more accessible jokes maybe I call them that'll do pig yes what's that from charlotte's web that's from babe oh from babe that'll do pig exactly here you go there are jokes that there's a certain type of comedy writer who can figure out that that'll do pig joke it's really irritating and what's really irritating I'll tell you who do you know chris kelly I know who he is but I don't know him chris kelly is there are certain people oh my god that guy is amazing I always say chris kelly and hosé arroyo just just through our samosas hosé is like a savant he can drop into any kind of comedy and do it really really well he writes great sketches he does great like little movies and then he comes in with the monologue and just tweaks the joke perfectly he murdered a man once but other than that he's and just through our samosas being around chris kelly and hosé I learned certain things chris kelly is the kind of comedy writer who can write the that'll do pig joke but also the joke that nobody else came up with that's great because you need somebody like that but the kind that only does that'll do pig drives me insane they're the kind that kill on stage and it's all stuff you've kind of heard before and the audience doesn't know it and the booker doesn't know it and they don't understand why you're not doing as well as that person somebody said that Carl Reiner was talking about I think alex told me this Alex Brazell said that Carl Reiner studied sitcoms before he did dick fan dyke because he wanted to know what everybody was expecting so he could then twist it wow did he write about that or wow that's really interesting and that's why I think chris kelly is so interesting because he used to watch television with him at the office and he would just be like he grew up at the national ampoum and his father was one of the founders of the national ampoum so it's like it's in his DNA and he would I would look at his eyes when he'd be watching television going yeah okay you know that'll do pig and I think if you get all of that I think if you appreciate the that'll do pig jokes without judgment you can then play with it to get to that next that next joke without do you have an inner editor when you're writing do you have a voice in your head saying that's not funny, that's not funny, that's not funny don't hand that in, don't hand that in no I think maybe early on but then like Kylie's always like yeah put it in there's very few jokes where I can read him very well though and if he hesitates a second don't put that one in when he knows a joke won't fly at all and it's a waste of Conan's time to read it but sometimes when we're having a top day we'll all meet for a batch three and try to just come up with jokes together and usually at this point we're looking for like a dick joke or just something to carry the monologue across the finish line and so sometimes some really bad ideas get finished that's the best when you're writing with people like somebody like Kylie, Brian Kylie he murdered a woman, that's why it was interesting about him that's why Jose is sketching Kylie's yeah, mono but I think writing mono with friends is fun because you don't care it's not a competition so that voice there are a lot of people I know who are really brilliant but they have self respect so they won't hand in certain jokes you can't yeah you gotta be able to go this is a decent opener it's about traffic in Los Angeles but it's a good opener I need to give you a joke so bad when I'm writing for somebody I need to hand in that is so bad that you actually question why you hired me because I can't get to the next really, I'm being honest I can't get to that next step until you've seen me splayed open bleeding stuff coming out of every orifice and then I'm ready to try to write something good well can you like say in the morning batch 20 jokes and then I start going over them before I turn them in and I'm like not this one because maybe you write the B joke and then you get that out of the way and then you get the A joke a little bit later with the same promise you turn in your A your B, your C, your D I don't know the difference at this point people who listen to this show will know full well that's the so coming up with a punchline is hard when it's for a specific voice do you catch yourself saying okay this is a great joke it's for Conan maybe she won't do this joke what that she sometimes what but not relentless is often a good trait but not in David Feldman it's very damaging it's no I mean is sometimes you'll write a joke and you'll say this is funny but it's not appropriate for Conan's high-pitched feminine sibling voice I don't want to be here but no I mean then are you surprised that he quote unquote see if this part of the podcast is clipped out without the context this could harm my career no he's the sweetest man in the world he really is I used to have nervous breakdowns doing that show when I did stand up on his show and he surrounded himself with Paula and Frank and they just they genuinely wanted you to be happy I'm doing the show next Thursday that's great and what I think we're going to do is Jackie, you know Jackie Cation she was just on my show a week ago oh cool we're going to do a podcast in my dressing room like before the spot to kind of like do like behind the scenes in a late night spot if as long as I'm mentally able to keep talking at some point I'll be like right you got to go so I can pace but hopefully I'll be I think I'll be pretty level headed can I tell you some insight into nerve something that I had where I realized what I was really afraid of I realized that I was afraid I was afraid of many things yeah but one of the things I was always afraid of was I was going to love it so much I was going to be disappointed that it was over that became this thing where I went your late night set yeah that when I would do television I'd be really nervous I came to realize that I actually was worried that I was going to love it so much that I was going to be disappointed that it was over oh it's an odd worry yeah that was also worried that I was going to forget I mean there million things that yeah that's the chief thing of the set I've just been doing it all week here so I think it's burned in my brain you know the joke order is different than how I normally do it and stuff but I'll have the jokes on cards maybe or something just in case but yeah I guess I'm more worried like that the audience won't be good because that's the one thing I can't control like the weather it's going to be 78 that's not bad the audience won't be too tired and stuff but or too wiped out but you know sometimes we watch the monologue every time it's like the second joke and you're like oh this crowd sucks and I'm going to know if they suck or not I won't be naive think as I think most comics that are coming on the show they don't really know they're just thinking about their own head but I'll just be I'll know if they suck or not yeah you're going to be you're a great you have nothing to worry about there's nothing nothing bad can happen nothing it can only be good seriously it can only be a good experience I mean if they do suck I think I know how to just pretend like it's going great but I don't want to pretend like it's going great I like it when it's going great actually and then you find you find the little things your personality can shine because you're not trying to fake a good set mm-hmm so anyway when you're doing stand up are you listening to the audience are you listening for their laughs or are you listening to their reactions well that's the same thing right not with me I'm being serious you've never been booed you've never had to say to the audience I love people go ooo but not boo how many times during your set do you have to go sit down don't leave don't it gets better trust I'm serious oh my god I cannot tell you the number of road rooms I've played where I've seen you in the Catholic girl outfit with the fan blowing up the skirt and I'd be working in that room and the number of shows where I have where they love Laurie Kilmartin Kilmartin and the number of shows I've had to say sit down it gets better trust me don't leave please my ex told me about the show he saw you do have I told you the story before no what is your ex my son's father did you show at the river center in San Antonio yes a woman stood up in the middle of your set and said please make it stop you remember that no actually I don't I was going to say yeah please make them stop that sounds make it stop yeah I used to play that's a bad room it's a dump it's a top of a mall you know first of all the river walk is beautiful and there's a great jazz club I don't know if it's still there but there was a great jazz club there I used to love San Antonio I loved the gig but the audience was that was a room where the guy threw bread at me on stage and I had to videotape so I put it on YouTube why do you throw bread at you because I was doing a joke about how much I love bread of course that's a natural reaction is to throw bread at the comedian so that's not that bad well yeah look who I'm talking to right now it's really not good David that's not how the audience should respond well I found that San Antonio was good depending on who the opening act was that's a good point that you can play these rooms but if you have acts in front of you who acclimate the audience and type of comedy like good if there's a good act in front of me then they tend to hate me if I had ever gotten famous I could play any city in America because as long as I can pick the opening act and set the tone I always say like Andrew Dice Clay I always said and we may have Paula Poundstone on right Alex we reached out to Paula Poundstone she may do this show isn't that great? I want to ask you about Paula in a second but I maintained I would watch Andrew Dice Clay's crowd at Madison Square Garden late 80s, Larry Brown and I used to watch Dice and we used to laugh so hard because everybody was so pissed off at him did you hate Andrew Dice Clay you must have right I guess I guess everyone kind of did so I was probably a hater too but I mean who cares I don't care now as long as that person is not up in front of me ruining my crowd I don't care what you do I said this was in the late 80s take this audience instead of Andrew Dice Clay say Andrew Dice Clay can't make it tonight Paula Poundstone will be here the complete opposite of Dice is going to be here but first Milt Able somebody to set the tone somebody to go up for 40 minutes and set the tone set the table for Paula she would kill in front of Dice's audience if you gave them 40 minutes of comedy good jokes that's a fair statement right how much of an influence was Paula on you she was a big influence on me she taught me not to talk to the audience because I realized I could never be as great as Paula is talking to an audience she wasn't a big influence on me I only met her once I never really knew her and I saw her a couple of times I thought she was great but I for me the barrier person I gravitated to was Dana Carvey in terms of I want to be like that guy I didn't feel like that with Paula or Bobby Slaton or who else was like headlining back then I should mention to my listeners the listeners don't know you and I are from the Bay Area I was around much longer before you came on this show a lot but I always remember you being very funny and happy you were always happy to be in a comedy club and you were very comfortable around the comedians I guess so I definitely felt intimidated by you and Lank and Earl you guys were like a you were intimidated? yes we were good I mean why? well there was like this negativity right? I mean it was a crushing negativity that was very funny but I also felt like I wasn't as dark as you guys were and so you probably thought I was a lightweight and so that that kind of made me I guess sort of mad and maybe you guys didn't feel that way I had no idea I think there's a difference between me and Lank and Earl in terms of offstage I wasn't watching Lank and Earl would sit John Ross and I were talking about this there were comics who would sit and watch other comics and critique them I wasn't one of those guys I guess I had you guys maybe the first time I met maybe you guys were all together at one point and I met you and I was like oh that's that posse like San Francisco had these little groups I think people assume when they meet me that I'm a certain type that I'm judgmental, that I watch comedy I just care about what's in front of me what are you what Alex you're giving me a dirty what? that I'm judgmental? I'm judgmental when it comes to the acts that are in front of me and I just don't want them to curse that's all but I never like yeah so Bobby Slayton was my hero Dana you know my god yeah my god Warren Thomas was great but he wasn't a hero of mine in terms of like oh I want to do that whatever he was doing was just super different from what I aspire to but it was really funny but Dana Carvey was and I'm nothing like Dana Carvey now it's weird but at the time I was like oh yeah that's what I want to talk about I don't want to be like that guy where was the first place you did stand up Foo bars Tree was hosting Tom was the owner of Foo bars John Tibido John Tebow but I think it was the old it was the first location it wasn't the second one that moved to Martinez right so it was it was a poet who owned Foo bars really? John Tebow was a poet? he took it over after the poet there were two brothers who owned Foo bars and so that was the first place he did a Tree Tree was hosting Michael West I had no idea he had a different name Tree was amazing Tree is he still working? no but he I don't know I see him on Facebook he used to come out in black leather pants and played it as a wrestler and then he played with the leather pants where he was first hyper straight and then a little gay and a lot gay so he brought you up and he told the audience not to heckle me or he beat them or something like that it was the first time he did comedy were you nervous? I was so nervous I took classes with John Cantu I love John Cantu he was the best this guy is so litigious there's another comedy coach in the Bay Area Jim Richardson? I'm not going to say his name because you're bad enough with lawyers already and he was awful and he tried to make out with me and stuff like that and Cantu was a former porn star and he could have been more of a gentleman he was great John Cantu by the way I had a coach in the early 80s who also he coached me and then I was working off these free gigs for like 5 years he wouldn't leave me alone but John Cantu was one of the original founders of the Holy City Zoo loved comedy and I would say he was kind of coaching me he was no longer with the Holy City Zoo he coached me about picking up women actually he did well I guess that's the guy but he was polite around you right? totally I was shocked when I found out he was a porn star because he never gave off any vibe or anything like that he was a true student of comedy he studied comedy writing he showed me the books and he showed me associations he genuinely loved comedy he was one of those guys who would get a room going and he'd stand on the street and say comedy, comedy, comedy comedy, comedy, comedy and they used to make fun of him for doing that I used to think that's the most noble thing any man can do bark people into a room and scream comedy and he ran the Holy City Zoo I always felt he never got the thanks the credit, yeah for sure he deserved I miss the early days of San Francisco God I know it was really awesome and you moved to LA to do what? I didn't I I guess I was right I was on Bonnie Hunt I was working on a website here that went down and then I had a baby oh so you moved to New York I remember, that's right and I remember you living in New York and you telling me where you lived and you had a baby and I remember thinking that is hard that's not good I mean you were taking the sub I mean you not a good neighborhood now Hamiltonites by the time it was I never felt in danger ever on 145th and it's really it's becoming a destination it's like the last affordable place in Manhattan how many years did you live in Manhattan? I'm still there I got my place in 2004 and then I moved to New York in 1999 and lived in Brooklyn for a couple years and then various places with an ex boyfriend until I got my own place you were intimating we have like 5 minutes left this was great it really was where are you doing stand up tonight? tonight I'm at New York comedy club and I go back and forth a couple of times how many sets are you doing today? they're an hour apart and it takes about 30 minutes to get to each one and they're each 15 minutes so I wiggle room in case either one goes later do you waste any time? yeah I mean today I should have been writing something and instead I was on Twitter complaining about Paris or what you know what I mean that's when I'm supposed to be doing something I like to go on Twitter and just tweet about the news your work ethic is amazing I don't know I mean I just don't want to be when I do my spot on Conan next week when I walk out there I want to know I did every possible set I could to find any kind of flaws in a joke I don't want to find out on stage this thing's too long this part's too long I want to find it out now I feel like I kind of did and now it's just cementing it in my head I just know how I want to feel when I feel like I've done every possible thing I've done every possible gig and worked it out then I don't have any security in my head there's nothing else I could have done do you like to bomb the knife? yes because then you're afraid if you keep killing I mean it's one thing to go you want to know you have a good set and stuff but if the last set in your head is a bomb it keeps you it's a good petrified you're like I still have to work for this if you've been killing and killing and killing you kind of walk out a little too cocky and the audience could hand you your ass for a second you'll have that shocked look on your face like wait I'm not killing I want to go out and know expecting you just got to know the worst can happen the audience can suck they cannot be into you and as long as you remember that and it helps to have a bomb close to the actual day you're doing a TV to keep that memory because you go out and you have the bomb in your head now you're on TV and you hear maybe two people laugh and you go that's two more than I had last night and then you can work with them yes you can build it up as opposed to I just had 800 people laugh and now there's two oh fuck this isn't going to go right my career is over I'm never your whole head can crater in a second and you still have four and a half more minutes of jokes to tell in front of a bad audience there's no way you can reset yourself you're just going to try to end it so it's better to be prepared to work really hard and finish strong do you think the audience is paying attention to how you're doing yeah I think they are I think they I think when you first come out and I don't and I think it's different for female comics I think they they evaluate you differently and I noticed like at least with Conan I think usually the first joke doesn't get that much of a laugh so the first joke doesn't get any comic tells it kind of gets an okay life yeah the audience is kind of looking at you and going is this person funny and just sort of watching you and getting I feel like they're getting taking your temperature so I would I always tell or if anyone asks like never you can go do kind of a soft joke up front like I have a soft one it's not like a killer thing it's just a kind of a chuckley thing and then it leads into really wow bam bam bam but I don't want to start with a hard joke I think they're not going to laugh at it anyway wow I've never heard anybody say that other than Rollins and Jaffee what yeah I remember you as you're saying this I remember they had told Robin Williams I read some book 30 years ago I never forgot it until you just brought it up that they had said don't go out and try to get a big laugh because they're trying to figure you out so instead of doing like a really hard joke and go for the big laugh go for a joke that explains who you are and sacrifice the big laugh to tell them who you are but I think most of us just want to go out there and you put your second best joke up front and then your killer joke to end with yeah I mean I don't yeah I have I guess I don't know mine's a little I wanted to introduce a topic that I'm a single mom and then then things about my son so that's how it starts yeah and he's a single son he's not married no I wrote Jackie Cation for a second before we go I love Jackie so do I why is Jackie Cation so magical why let me tell let me say something about Jackie Cation she was on the show recently I haven't seen her in a couple years she was did it via Skype I start talking to her and it's like I'm getting a back rub right there are certain people who have some kind of you know one of my sons has that they're just magical yeah what is it about Jackie she's just super honest and she I get the feeling she's always been this person you know that she is now that she was that way when she was 12 and 14 and she doesn't flinch I don't know there's not a lot of comics like that you know there's not a lot of people like that I'm talking about as a human being not as a comedian you know like we talk about stuff and she gives her honest reaction she doesn't pause and think which is great sometimes I'm like should we take that out you may never work that club again you know she doesn't stop herself she's not cautious I guess I don't think she needs to be because she's not coming from a bad place oh no she's not she's coming from a great place but sometimes you know it's there's certain elements of show business show business you don't want to criticize even though you're right about them just in case they're listening or something like that so yeah I don't know that's that's what's kind of compelling about her paranoia do you think because we're going to wrap it up but Kathy Griffin do you think that paranoia in show business is what kills us in other words if she ignored the trumps and didn't give the press conference and just said maybe I was wrong maybe I was right who cares and moved on we would forget about it in a week maybe I mean it's I think that's R.A. Schiffier's attitude towards that stuff like don't apologize just you know you're just part of a new cycle I think he told Steve ran his whatever the 9-11 guy he was so brave I love that guy really anybody could survive 9-11 but the courage to lie I wish I there should be a memorial for the number of people who claimed that they were there for 9-11 that's so courageous how many firemen can run up 90 flights of steps who can't do that they're trained to do it and then you get to be a hero but to lie about it I mean that's brave I read that or I heard that he said just told that guy don't mention it don't talk about it so maybe I mean there was like a thing with TIG and Louis C.K. a couple of weeks ago there was a sketch he was in on SNL that was very similar to a short film she did and she kind of talked about it and he never commented on it and it sort of just went away right but then again we like to churn stuff yeah yeah yeah because there's material to be had from that but I do think I cannot imagine the amount of death threats that Kathy Griffin got and rape threats I've had very limited exposure to that how were they yours were actually more rape invitations they weren't threats they were an evite to a rape yeah isn't that you know I'm so naive I had Tom McCaffrey on the show he's a comic who's going to law school and he started talking about cocaine like people do cocaine and I'm going really I can't believe now in law school? people are doing cocaine and I know this sounds disingenuous and I apologize for asking this question do you get on twitter do people come after you? sometimes I mean not too there's a couple times during the election before the election where some of the pepe the frog guys came after me but it wasn't anything terrible but you know when they all decide they get together on some kind of 4-chan group and decide to go after Kathy Griffin it's got to be fucking wretched you know some guy photoshopped me on a body that was being raped I'm like ugh and I reported him to twitter and somebody else tweeted my address and that's when I realized oh people could find out where I live and I got that taken down so that happened so I'm sure if she's part of a very not only an untargeted attacks by people that were just outraged but by people who decide we're going to destroy her on twitter I'm sure her mentions must be horrific and will be for a really long time you know yeah hmm so that might be why she apologized because that's a way to maybe stop some of it I don't think so though I think it makes it worse maybe you're right I don't know but I also think people may have pointed out wow this is what that image represents to that would be the only thing I would think of is that there are Americans whose kids of adult kids have been beheaded by Daniel Pearl and that journalist and had the heads held up and I was come on do you want to I don't know for me I would be like I don't want to poke that one I wouldn't have done it I'm glad she did it I think it's this is a guy who phones in drone airstrikes 40 innocent serians and goes and has dessert this guy has so much blood on his hands for us to be fixating on Kathy Griffin when he's denying 25 million kids food stamps and we're supposed to worry about his 10 year old son I would just I don't even think the 10 year old saw it because I have a 10 year old son and he does not watch the news he's not on twitter I guarantee if Barron saw if Barron saw that picture and thought it was real his first reaction would be finally and his second would be like who is that guy who is that guy so there's no way he saw it unless it was shown to him and if for some reason and now we're saying Melania watches the news like they live in a news house where Melania has the news on no way he saw it unless it was deliberately shown to him and the fact that Trump mentioned his son in a tweet actually invites everyone to talk about it now so he's the one who put his son out on the line not Kathy Griffin so that's just really appalling like I make jokes about my son but I never say his name and for all you know I don't have one I'm just making it up I don't post his picture on twitter or anything like that he could be a character I've created so for him when he brought my 11 year old son Baron Trump you just made him a target when you said his name like that and he wasn't a target that's why Katie Rich got in so much trouble but now he is a target yeah we're going to wrap it up there's an article in the New York Times about Jared Kushner and his real estate he's a slum war you read that article about what they do to poor people all the paperwork people with cancer and they have kids who are sick and they evict them or they sue them for $5,000 and make them homeless these are horrible, horrible people and yet they play the victim card everybody's a victim now even Donald Trump and Melania because Kathy Griffin did something she should have done I wish an artist had done it instead of Kathy Griffin because I don't think an artist would take that much grief it's going to hurt her live performances it's just, you know let's plug your podcast and then I want to tell you about some podcasts that are coming out of the show Brizz Studios hey can I ask a favor? whatever you want I and the people that helped produce my special we entered it as a possible Emmy nomination yes if you're voting, I know there's a lot or probably a lot of writers that listen to this podcast if you're eligible to vote it would be under outstanding special writing if I could be one of your selectors I would appreciate it let me just say to my cleaning lady who gets the ballot and votes you do realize that those are the people who do the voting, my kids used to do the voting no oh my god not for the nominations to I mean I'm not nominated it's just the ballot to be nominated you gave it to your kids I'm joking I take just had a seizure I take the TV Academy very seriously okay good I'll vote for it so the name of the special is 45 jokes about my dead dad vote for it in what category writing, outstanding variety special okay for some reason they should have a special stand up special but they don't so okay any other things you want my listeners to do nope have you heard about Thought Spiral it's a new podcast that Andy Kindler is doing with J. Elvis Weinstein oh yeah I have heard that they had a podcast I didn't know that was the name of it have you heard of Defend Your Movie with Sean Donnelly he invites one of his friends to defend a movie that they love you should do that podcast have you heard of Fat Pig no Jessica Curson have you ever eaten frosting out of a can what's that or emptied an entire pizza all by yourself Jessica Curson and Frank Lottie talk about food addiction closeted eating, binging diet shame, fat camp have you ever seen Jessica Curson perform yeah she's great she's amazing she has a podcast called Fat Pig and the Carson podcast Mark Malkoff talks with guests about Johnny Carson cool you guys got some cool stuff lined up and what is the name of your podcast the Jackie and Laurie show like 70 ish you've done 70 episodes with her how can you stand her wait a minute it's like no it's like I get a migraine whenever I'm around Jackie she's so hateful and jealous and competitive she said such horrible things about you I agree with them she said they must be true she only speaks the truth thanks thanks for listening that's our show remember to watch Lori Kilmartin on Conan this week TBS please remember to do all your Amazon shopping via the David Feldman show website let me know if you're shopping on Amazon just hit the contact button it doesn't cost you more money to shop on Amazon and I can assure you every penny we get goes towards keeping the lights on if you're enjoying our show please share it on Facebook, Twitter, stumble upon, dig, reddit copy and paste the link to this show and share it with all your friends do it through email spread the laughs, spread the knowledge spread the love do me a favor subscribe to this show on iTunes Stitcher we have a YouTube channel it's just audio but some people like to listen to this on YouTube a good review on iTunes for as little as $5 a month you can gain access to all our premium content we accept all major credit cards go to DavidFeldmanShow.com hit the go premium button and sign up and you can gain access to all our premium content you'll be helping out this great, great show we have a contact button I answer all my emails listeners to this show who have contacted me know that I spend about an hour a day answering all my emails so please contact me, let me know how we can make this show better for you from the show Briz Studios in downtown Manhattan Medicare for All