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It is a packed day folks We are gonna talk about all the WWC Dc announcements iPad OS the new Mac Pro the crazy expensive display with an even more expensive Well, it's not technically more expensive, but a very expensive monitor stand Let's start with a few tech things you should know Oh speaking of monitors LG is taking pre-orders for its first 8k OLED TV the 88 inch LG 88 z9 with 7680 by 43 20 resolution the TV's processor uses some deep learning to upscale images and generate virtual 5.1 surround sound with support for Dolby at most pre-orders in Korea cost 40 million won That's roughly 34,000 US dollars final retail will be 50 million won The AK TV from LG goes on sale in North America and Europe in Q3 of this year only 34,000 Samsung announced a new 13 and 15 inch notebook 7 windows laptop with diamond cut edges a wide trackpad and slim bezels Looking very similar to MacBook pros unlike Apple laptops though the notebook 7s come with two usb 3.0 ports only one usb-c port an hdmi port Micro SD card slot prices start at a thousand dollars come into the us july 26th Samsung also announced the notebook 7 force with an nvidia gtx 1650 graphics card an ethernet port and base level 16 gigabytes of ram That one starts at a thousand four hundred ninety nine The us state department has updated its applications forms for us visa applicants requiring nearly all to submit social media Usernames previous email addresses and phone numbers that information was previously required only for applicants deemed to need Extra scrutiny and was about 65,000 people per year There are approximately 15 million visa applicants to the us per year. So this ramps things up some ways The sunday telegraph reports sources saying that chinese security researchers have been finding security vulnerabilities in 5g equipment from nokia and ericsson And passing that information to it specialists who are testing the equipment for possible 5g rollouts in europe The idea is that when the testing ends on june 10th Huawei could point to the results and affect eu evaluations and try to undermine security concerns about its own equipment google announced a live stream for thursday june 6th at 12 p.m Eastern to announce details about google stadia the stream called stadia connect will include launch info game announcements and price Let's talk a little bit more about huawei real quick xiao ming president of the honor brand of huawei phones Told a media briefing in shanghai friday that it is too early to say whether the us trade restrictions on huawei Will prevent it from achieving a goal of becoming the top smartphone vendor in the world by the end of next year Well, it's not looking good because the south china morning post reports its sources say fox con Has stopped several production lines for huawei phones. You may have seen headlines saying all it's not all but it is several Because huawei has reduced its orders. It is not clear if the cut is temporary or not fox con can do this They're designed to be able to like on a dime shut down a few lines to adapt to orders and then ramp them back up So it's not the end of the world for huawei at the moment But it's certainly not good news and the financial times reports that china's hengtong opti electric Is going to buy huawei's 51 stake in huawei marine systems which lays undersea cables Because that company was having too hard a time getting people to agree to let them lay undersea cables I mean, sure huawei can say we too early to tell how this is going to shake out and and I suppose that's true I I certainly can't see it but It is it's moving in the wrong direction for the company Especially with the overall market of smartphones being a little lackluster Yeah, I mean, what are you going to say if they're like, hey, uh, is this going to affect your your 2020 goal? Yes, no one knows yet. Please sell our stock Right away. No, of course not. You're going to say, uh, well, you know what? It's too early to tell because literally it is too early to tell. Maybe this will all be resolved by the end of june Who knows it's not impossible. It may not be likely, but it's not impossible So yeah, you want to put as much of a positive spin on it as you can The fact that fox con according to the south china morning post sources Anyway, is is shutting down a couple production lines Is not unexpected, but it is a sign that those orders are the problem Remember we talked about how huawei says they're they're stock piled with parts. It's not through lack of parts Uh, it's that order reductions are happening because Certain retailers are probably like, you know what we still we feel uncertain about where this line of phones is going And that's what I think the real damage to huawei is going to be not whether they can actually figure out how to build phones But whether the marketplace dries up just because of the uncertainty At least outside of china Sources tell the washington post that the us federal trade commission and the us department of justice have agreed to divide their focused On amazon and google often a step taken preparatory to antitrust investigations Might have seen something in the news about this this morning The two agencies agreed to give the ftc more jurisdiction over amazon and the doj more jurisdiction over google Reuters says that its sources say the doj got jurisdiction for apple as well with the ftc getting jurisdiction for facebook They got a little bit of attention because this news dropped right around the time that the w w dc keynote started But uh, as you mentioned before the show tom, this is this is not unexpected No, and the washington post I have some suspicions about why this news dropped when it did Uh, it may be an attempt to hide it by putting it during w w dc Even though it had a negative reaction on the stock stock often goes down on the news anyway So you can't tell is it because they made announcements or is it because of this Because the washington post had the amazon and google thing this weekend. That was known on sunday, right? And then reuters today added in apple and facebook And the fact that facebook is part of this is getting lost a lot too because everyone who is paying attention to it Is focusing on apple Stock stock took a hit though. So it wasn't it was supposed to be buried I mean it was it was not buried by all well, but stock always takes a hit on the announcement you sell on the news So it's clear by that too I I don't know. It's interesting and like you say it's not unexpected because uh, we've known There's been a lot of pressure to investigate these companies and this isn't even a rumor of an investigation This is this is a source saying they've divided up the jurisdiction to make it easier to start looking into the possibility of an investigation So we're we're several steps down the road from certainly any kind of actual action. That's not going to happen for a while. Yeah oppo posted a video to weibo and twitter showing a notchless phone Notchless phone no cut out no notch nothing with a front-facing camera under the screen oppo vp brian shen noted that at this stage in development There would be some loss in optical quality, but he says it's early days Just concept. We're working towards making this better hours later Xiaomi's president lin bin posted a video on weibo of the xiaomi me nine With a prototype front-facing camera behind the screen as well. So again, these are these are all prototypes But uh, it certainly is something where people really just don't like cutouts and punch holes and notches Especially notches. So if you could make a viable front-facing camera that leaves the screen fully intact I think you'd have some people's attention I I've said this before on the show. I I'm not totally sure where the notch hate comes from Yeah, it it does Make it slightly less uniform But uh, but but but yeah, it's it's not something that would would preclude me from buying any phone that I thought was awesome Otherwise, uh, you know a kind of a meta story here. We got samsung announcing laptops We got lg announcing a tv. We got google announcing a stadia announcement We got oppo and xiaomi talking about phone features In the past wwdc would have been a no-go zone for any kind of announcement It is interesting to see companies no longer fearing news of a positive nature coming out When they might otherwise be swamped by wwdc announcements Yeah, you know, that's interesting I thought that I thought the same thing too and especially when we were when well when some of us anyway We're watching the keynote because there are a lot of dad jokes going on and you know We'll get into all all the specs in in just a in just a second But they you know, there are I think more than ever. This is the sort of announcement that Maybe one would have hate watched back in the day because you're like, uh apple, you know, the worst But like, you know, this is this is the big news and it's no longer the case There are so there's so much other news there are so many other good competitors of people making good Products and what whatever your ecosystem is is more of a personal choice than ever and and and maybe less of a You know apple dominating the new cycle Yeah, and lg's 8k tv makes that new apple display look cheap All right, let's uh get uh all the tech headlines whenever you want in about five minutes If you don't have time for the full show subscribe to daily tech headlines dot com Oh boy, we got lots to talk about here and uh, we're we're not going to mention everything they announced Apple really packed it in in their two hours and 15 minutes Moving swiftly Because it's their language get it Through a bunch of things we're going to start with ios 13. We'll talk about ipad os Mac os catalena then we'll get into the hardware the mac pro the pro display x dr Touch on apple watch apple tv air pods Etc Let's start with ios 13 Apps are going to be 50 smaller updates 60 smaller face id 30 faster A quick path a swipe keyboard Just like swipe years later. It's now available as part of ios Reminders app with up to two times faster app launches 30 faster face id also applies to signing in with face id apple will now debut sign in with apple A button for apps that masks your personal info By allowing you to give an email address with it or saying no don't give them my email address They'll create a throwaway email address that will redirect to your real email address So that that company never actually has a real email address And when you want to get rid of them you can get rid of just them without having to change your whole email address In ios 13 i message now supports profile photos including new moji which have personalized Makeup and accessories Memojis can be turned into stickers apple bringing 100 000 plus live radio stations Accessible by siri ios 13 will give siri a more natural sounding voice Enabling multi-step custom voice commands and shortcuts quick responses to sms over your airpods So you can just say oh tell her i'll be there soon and the message will get sent in response Not just to messages but also to any other messaging app that includes siri kit apple says ios 13 I'll let users grant apps access to their phones location just once So that you don't have to choose only when the app is on or or never And apple is redesigning carplay to let multiple apps be put side by side And the ability for siri to provide on-screen app suggestions. Basically the carplay dashboard gets a lot less Cluttered that's the top line stuff sarah. Uh, what about you what caught your eye? What do you like the most? Well, you know for the first, I don't know Let's say 45 minutes of the announcement I was like, okay, so this is the privacy announcement. Everything was about hey, there's a new app And your privacy is of our utmost concern unlike our competitors. Yeah, there was there was a women's cycle app that uh as juanister and of the welsey journal pointed out She's you tested many others that that have been funneling data to various companies facebook being one of them and apple saying We're gonna do the same thing But we're not gonna you know, we will not compromise your privacy and that was Uh, there's something that was being hammered home So much at it's certainly In the first hour of of the announcement Super into the carplay stuff Anything that can make siri easier when i'm in my car because i'm using carplay with my iphone is great Uh, a lot of good, uh watch os announcements. I don't even have an apple watch, but uh For the first time i kind of wanted one more than ever because it's it's it's such a standalone device now, uh, whereas in the past it wasn't and And yeah, you know stuff like dark mode. I don't know it it is not something that I was Really, uh ramped up about before W to W w dc started even though it was rumored to happen And so it wasn't a big surprise and to see some of the screenshots were were nice and everything But got a lot of applause. I mean there are there are folks who who who really do care about that and overall, I think uh ipad os being broken out after apple for so many years Was was really drilling into developers, you know universal apps We're gonna make it easier to make universal apps. You don't have to run iphone apps on ipad You know, you can you can make them beautifully native depending on what device you're using the fact that ipad is now its own thing is Was a bit of a surprise So yeah focusing on ios 13 Wi-Fi selection in the control center seemed to be a big hit And the low data mode which was kind of a throwaway announcement There's also a new portrait lighting effects the ability to rotate a video when you're editing not just rotate a still image Home kit getting secure video that analyzes it on Your local machine and then encrypts and uploads it to the cloud Links the zero in spectrum now supporting home kits so you can firewall off accessories That's all the ios 13 stuff there. You mentioned ipad os uh ipad os Really always existed. Uh the ios version that runs on the ipad has always been different They just didn't acknowledge that it was different and now they've given it a name But there's also more differences. So I think that makes sense for them to give it a new name There's new home screen widgets now, uh, which we've never had on any version of ios before Uh an improved files app with a finder like column view More multitasking gestures and the ability to have multiple versions of the same app running So they showed two word on ipad Apps running at the same time desktop view on the web So on in safari, uh, you'll get the desktop version Which is more appropriate to the size of your screen possibly than the mobile version Which is a little outsized on an ipad screen And a big one for me sarah thumb drive support the ability to plug at least if you've got a usbc Uh ipad, uh, just talk a thumb drive, uh right into the ipad. It'll even support sd card slots with dongles and adapters as well Well, I think the for a few years now apple has has really been They they want the with the introduction of ipad pro and just the fact that ipad has has has made some advancements This is a work tool. Yeah, you can use it to to play with apps or read things and that's all fine too But this is this is a tool for work that will rival your desktop your laptop Anything that is it is an ipad alternative more than ever So the fact that yeah thumb drives are supported now, uh that that the ipad apps you can you know have have multi View screens and all of the things that that that were laid out Make perfect sense and I think we're a long time coming and Yeah, I mean it it is not the same thing as having an iphone anymore. That's just a bigger screen Yeah, I particularly liked the idea Uh that you can now drag a cursor around without the magnifying glass You can just select where you want the cursor to go and it'll go there No long taps short taps anything Three finger pinch to copy three fingers spread to paste three fingers swipe to undo You'd still shake to undo if you want but you don't have to however That seemed to be the point of the demo where things didn't go as well as they should have So i'm wondering how well it really works in practice Yeah, there were there were a few And any keynote is going to have a few sort of roles But there were there were a few times where you're kind of like, um, yeah, they They're really kind of muddling through this and the the crowd is sort of not clapping when they're hoping that people will clap and A little cringe worthy moments, but overall I think ipad os looks Extremely promising and I haven't used an ipad regularly I've got an old one in a drawer right here, but in in some time and I always say it's because when the iphone Six plus came out then the screen was big enough so that I didn't really need an ipad anymore I now I'm starting to feel like no the productivity part of the ipad Is something that I've I've I've kind of been out I've been out of for a few years and might be interested in getting back into it All right, we got so much to get to we let's go to mac os catalina The big news there the breakup of itunes now I want to put this real clear because I had questions from Steven schleicher at major spoilers My friend mark jergenau who teaches high school in greenville, illinois Creative vast arts in our discord all wondering like how does this affect my content as far as we know it doesn't And this is apple's fault for branding everything itunes But anything you bought through itunes is either on your hard drive So it's always good to just download everything or available in the cloud If you've bought it after they started doing the the matching in the cloud and the fact that you access it through itunes Doesn't change that it doesn't remove it from the directories on your hard drive It doesn't remove it from the cloud In fact itunes will still be around in older versions of mac os They didn't even mention what's happening to it on windows. So apparently it's for now going to stick around on windows They're not getting rid of any of the things Associated or accessed with itunes all they're doing is splitting it up into three mac os pieces of software on mac os catalina So it's a very limited range of effect apple music Will handle all your music and it's got a sidebar So it looks like it does all the same things that itunes does it just does it in the apple music app And sync has been moved to a sidebar in finder. So that is the one big change sync It goes from itunes to the finder in mac os catalina podcasts Uses machine learning to index and find content But otherwise it's just all the things you would do with podcasts and itunes now in a podcast app and the tv app Coming to mac os just like it has come to ios and apple tv No sidebar in the apple tv app Category stuff is up top like it is on the tv app on your apple tv sports 4k hdr playback with hdr 10 and dolby vision and dolby atmos hdr 10 dolby vision dolby atmos So let me say that again And then sidecar iPad is a second display for mac everybody was wanting this you can use an iPad with an apple pencil as a tablet input We're going to talk to scott johnson a lot about this on wednesday Accessibility voice control has been expanded for the mac So you can just give rich dictation and editing comprehensive navigation ios attention awareness In the demonstration when he looked at his iphone the iphone knew he was looking at it and meant The command for it not mac os There's the combination of find my iphone with find my uh with find my friends Now as find my which includes your iphone your friends and your laptop I can locate apple devices offline with a nifty bit of bluetooth Sends out a secure beacon that can be relayed by other devices without them ever knowing what it is It's ended and encrypted. Uh, so it can eventually bounce over to you. We'll see how well that works, but that's interesting Uh, there's activation lock now on mac os if you have a t2 security chip Photos has the new browsing view and screen time the app coming to mac And of course they mentioned project catalyst which everybody had been calling marzipan But it's the ability to check a box in xcode to say hey make this ios or ipad app into a mac os app And then you get all of your fundamental features as a developer and then just add the things you want to customize it for the mac Well, uh, can we put a fork in itunes and say it's finally done at least on macOS? Catalina, yeah, I know. I I love yeah, I did a couple people on on Who's whose twitter streams? I follow this morning. We're like well, but so itunes still lives on Other os's for example windows, but this is a step in the the step in the right direction And I also I I found it kind of they were being kind of cheeky about yeah We know itunes has been weirdly named and there's too much stuff in there and it has been this way for a long time One of the one of the the big applause was the idea of like when you plug your iphone into your mac What's gonna happen now? Nothing You go into your finder and then you can sync whatever you want or not It's up to you. Which is which is it's a real world annoyance that kept me from doing that all the time Because it was just gonna launch a bunch of itunes stuff and I you know, I'd have to Deal with that for I don't know 60 seconds or less I thought that the accessibility for mac was at least the the the demo that we saw was Really interesting Seemed to work really well We are definitely getting to a point where voice dictation is going to be a bigger part of our lives more than ever certainly on mac os And to find my stuff it had been rumored. I I think it makes perfect sense to to to bundle all of this into one app Particularly because so many of us I mean, how often are you using find my iphone? Not that often hopefully hopefully never But if you have to it it makes sense to bundle this into a location app for lots of different things Yeah, my guess is down the road. We're gonna hear an off An off announcement in other words not one on stage That a music app and a tv app are coming to windows. There's already a music app available for android So so why wouldn't you yeah, it makes sense that this would just not be something that I mean, it was a jam-packed keynote. Yeah, you get to the windows stuff later Uh apple also unveiled the new mac pro which has the old cheese grater design Well, kind of it's a it's a new take on the old cheese grater design eight pc ie slots Uh, you can configure it for up to one and a half terabytes of system memory Up to 28 cores of intel z on cpu up to four amd gpus Coming this fall for six thousand dollars. Oh, yeah more than that, but it's very affordable Um, this this is a beast though. It can handle three streams of eight k pro res 12 streams of 4k They made a big deal about how you don't have to convert your 8k you can just put it on this machine and start editing it Yeah, this is the mac pro for for years now way out of my price range and and and out of Anything that i'm able to do i can't even make use of of the performance aspects but Hearing the specs laid out And knowing that the price again is is totally beyond my reach. I still wish I had a good reason to put it to the test Now, uh, prototude says you aren't getting a beast for six thousand dollars eight core z on 32 gigabytes of memory Radeon 5 80 x and 256 solid state drive. This is kind of a beast beastly it may not be But uh, you know, it's definitely beastly. Yeah Uh, there's a bunch of other stuff going now two thunderbolt ports on top two ethernet ports Uh, the big deal is you can slide off any side of this thing to access the modules inside A bunch of pc i e slots like I said, which is great The one I don't think is going to go down as well as apple would want it to is the fact that it is modular For the graphics card and the graphics cards right now are up to Two radion pro vega twos now you can have two modules so you essentially can have four radion pro vega twos Uh, and and something they call infinity fabric link provides data five times faster than the pc i bus between them But I think a lot of people just wanted the ability to put whatever graphics card they wanted me Yeah, and I will add that the infinity fabric is an amd technology that they use for the ryzen uh processors What's what's fascinating is now they're they've gotten back to targeting the workstation Which is something kind of fell off the wagon. It's like well, you know People need a much power and and frankly it cost them an arm and a leg to support it And they I for some time it just seemed like they didn't want to put their energies there But I mean it's a very interesting design. I don't know if they'll take off as well as the last Uh mac pro That came up but time will tell yeah And to do that 8k video by the way, you will need the afterburner card With which is a hardware fpga asic. Uh, it can do 6 billion pixels per second. It's a co-processor It's a co-processor that gpu makers have been trying to Say hey buy our video cards because they can you can offload the rendering to You know with kuda on n video or uh open uh open cu compute With open gl on amd cards There will be a rack mount version available and it comes with a handle Uh, they announced it alongside the pro display x dr x dr stands for extreme dynamic range Which is what they call their version of hdr because it is hdr or the horrible hdr It's a 32 inch lcd 60 16 by 32 84 so a 6k retina display um, you know great color Real lattice is a heat sink So that says they let them they say that lets them do a thousand nits at full screen brightness indefinitely And 1600 nits peak Thunderbolt 3 can support a two display setup. So if you have a mac pro You can potentially power six of these at once It can tilt and adjust height and do portrait mode if you get the stand Which cost you an extra 999 dollars the the pro display x dr is 4999 dollars 5999 dollars if you want the matte version, which is a nano texture etched glass thing You can get a visa adapter for 199 bucks or that pro stand for 999 bucks Man, I wanted this I wanted this I did and I knew as they were as they were laying it out and showing how beautiful it was in the craftsmanship And you've never seen a hinge that worked this well. I was like this is going to be a macro price And it was for five grand not happening. I also don't need a 32 inch monitor I've got a 28 inch asus monitor right now that seems very big to me and is lovely But it's it's it's the kind of thing that I covet I covet it anyway It's uh, I will say for If it's true that it's pro spec and it's calibrated out of the factory and it does cover The gamut that it supposedly covers Um, that's actually not too bad five grand Now the fact that they charge you a thousand bucks for the stand seems a ludicrous and the vise and the vesa adapter Which is like 200 250 bucks should just throw that in there because you buy a 30 dollar stand off amazon works just as well um, but I will say Uh, of all the hardware announces. This is the one that that interested me the most Yeah, and this is studio level stuff. This really isn't meant for the consumer Which like roger said earlier that's that's a change back for apple into focusing on this kind of hardware So when you look at these prices, you do have to realize like these are meant for companies that are used to spending a lot of money On this kind of equipment uh real quickly before we wrap up. We mentioned some things about apple watch We didn't mention the independent apps that can now run on the watch without the need for a phone in the new watch os And the app store on the watch where you can just get an app straight from the watch without having to download it On the phone first and then move it over some other things like activity trends improvements to The the health app a calculator got a lot of applause A decibel meter to let you know if things are too loud which actually went off when people were applauding about the decibel meter and the calculator um So that's interesting apple tv gave us a finally a sneak peek at one of their shows Ron Moore's show for all mankind Which is an alternate history where the soviets win the space race and the space race doesn't end because of that Has a redesigned home screen with full screen preview behind icons And people don't usually like full screen previews. So we'll see how well that goes over But the big one for me is multi user support and personalized up next lists So now you can have your own profile if you share your apple tv with someone else in your family And when you're on your profile your up next list will be up there. It won't be mixed with anybody else's Uh, and that includes a new control center for tv. Oh, so we can switch between those profiles And I know a big one for a lot of people was the announcement of compatibility with the apple tv For xbox 1s and playstation dual shock controllers That's going to be a big deal when uh, uh apple arcade finally launches later this year Anything else here that you guys want to mention before you don't want to talk about the karaoke feature tom Ah, yes the karaoke feature for apple music on the apple tv Yeah, our new team building exercises will be yeah a lot of aim We'll we'll show you the lyrics to your favorite songs along with you listening to your song There are certain things where I mean put emojis in there as well where I'm like I just don't use this feature But I get where the advancement is coming from uh as far as The multi-user support. I mean I live alone. My dog doesn't have his own apple ID, but I do get how how entirely convenient that would that would come in handy especially because apple wants They they they want folks to to use the apple tv interface as As as as their their whole media center. So and and we all have our own our own preferences. So Yeah, I mean that kind of went by quick I feel like in the whole announcement some of the apple tv stuff sort of It got a little bit lost in the fray, but but good stuff Yeah, open bayou asked if we mentioned the uh login uh with apple. Uh, we did uh, there's so much stuff here But I have to have to say I I'm glad he reminded us of it again Because I think that may be one of the most significant announcement software wise anyway Uh of this entire thing. I don't know whether it'll catch on But you know apple trying to build its reputation on privacy and security That could turn out to be a handy thing for a lot of people knowing that That that weird thing where you can say like don't give my email address. I just think that's brilliant You can you can do that in other ways, but this makes it really easy It has to be embraced by developers obviously which kind of uh Walks us into some some of the announcements that got a lot of applause from developers as well With with where apple wants to go with with creating apps themselves. Yeah Well, uh, thanks for being with us folks Yes, thank you We couldn't get to everything. We'll be talking about this more later in the week But thanks to everybody who participates in our subreddit. There were lots of apple stories today Unsurprisingly you guys are the best submit stories and vote on them at daily tech news show dot reddit.com We will read them. 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