 What's up everybody welcome to Rotorite. I'm Jeff and I'm joined by Jamie today We are going to compare 2207 and 2306 that describes the actual size of the motor So by a 2207 what that means is it's 22 millimeter wide stator by 7 high and this one 23 wide by 6 high One's a little bit skinnier and taller and the other one's a little bit wider and shorter It's like Drew and I except our motors are backwards The other numbers you're going to find on the motor are the kv revolutions per volt So these are both the same. They're both 2650 kv So what that means is if you were to feed this motor one volt, it's going to spin 2650 rpm. We're going to do a blind test We're going to take myself, Jamie, Ladrib and Mr. Captain Vanover. We're each going to fly After we finish flying both of the quads, we're going to take a guess and see if we can figure out which quad is which Yeah, so what do you guys think is going to happen? Let us know down in the comments right now Make some predictions. Is everybody going to be more like in the 2207 or the 2306? I'm kind of curious if anybody can guess the quads because I don't think you're going to be able to tell that big of a difference I agree. I don't think it's going to be that much of a difference, but you never know. We'll find out Alrighty, so we're out here in the field and we are going to Conduct some scientific tests here some scientific double blind studies and the vortex motor is guaranteed to come out I heard you earlier talking all that all that garbage that malarkey. It's shinier. This is more Aerodynamic it's going to be less resistance and therefore much faster. I think my wider stator Is going to give me more torque. There may be something to that. Your motors are going to be smoother and his are going to have More torque. His are going to be punchier and yours are going to be more smooth and mellow. Why is that? Because I think that the height and the shortness is just going to produce Quicker power if that makes sense and yours is going to be nice and smooth. Each of us is going to get to try both quads So the pilot will put their goggles down hold the radio and someone else is going to plug it in You'll fly one and you'll fly the other And then you have to guess which is which and we'll see if any of us can guess it correctly We don't have barbwell here with us. Okay. It's going to mean bro science to the max Joshua, we need your help The uh, what are you doing? I'm streaming but no we I need your help the uh, the other pilots They didn't they didn't really know what the the differences between 20 207 20 306 Uh, 20 207 is taller. Okay 20 306 is wider and shorter. But what is that like so what does that mean 20 207 has um Less linear throttle curve has more top end 20 306 is going to have a little more torque down in the bottom But a more just like what's better? It's a q&a. You're supposed to be in the chat asking question. Which motor is better? Which is better. I like 20 207 The minds of 20 306 That you get to go first. Okay Feels like a quad What would you be able to tell like what kind of maneuvers like I feel like going one way and then going the other way. I'll give you a good idea of the torque That good power. It's probably a vortex motor. That's what i'm thinking so far Now both of these quads have the same rates and all that stuff as well Like everything's exactly the same. Yeah, everything. It's all exactly the same same flight controller esc Rates pids. It's all Identity which kind of is an ideal you wouldn't theoretically actually want the tune to be the same for both motors But that's what we did. Jeff and I are both kind of like Less sensitive, you know, we'll we'll just fly whatever we get handed. All right, land it But don't take your goggles off till I grab it and hide it gotta hide the truth All right, this is your boy's second flight. Don't have a great memory. I like I already forgot what that flight felt like I think it was good. I think this one will probably do the same thing. Well, maybe I'll be wrong Um, it feels exactly the same. You can't tell a difference. No, maybe that's part of this blind study Overall feels like weak though. Like that's why I'm he feels weaker bringing up the batteries Just both of them do like or maybe it's the props. Yeah, it's probably the props you're flying a t-motor prop This is an hq 5.1 by 4.1 Something I would say this does feel a little less powerful than the other one, but it's hard to say I feel like this battery is worse. It's the same. Well, it's not the same battery. It's the same brand. It should be the same Because I've been flying for one minute. I'm at 14. Yeah, it's coming back up, but it was Well, is it is it the battery worse or is the motor more amp hungry? It could be one of who knows. Well, that would make sense. I mean, I would think that Vortex's motors would be more amp hungry since they're taller. So you think these are Jeff's motors then? Yes If they're taking more power, I would think that they're his because in my experience the ones that I've had I've always flown the Larger flatter motors. Um, they don't seem to be as amp hungry for me. Jamie's so sciency Bring her in I don't know hard to say. Was it the battery or was it the motors or was it the motors causing the battery to Die faster? I don't know. That's why we have three of us because one person I don't think is enough. These are my quads So I'll be the most knowledge. We're probably the most likely to be able to guess. You're like totally blind You've never flown any of this gear any of the motors and I've been flying success lately and these are both for both for us Oh, yeah, so she's like this week It's gonna be interesting for me Does it feel like it has more or less power than what you usually fly? Um, honestly, it doesn't feel that Different and I know that sounds terrible because it obviously has different power, but Do you think it'd feel similar to like your success rig? Well, it shouldn't be too far off. It does. It does. It flies lower kv. So that would be similar Right. So these are both high kv for some so it's like two theories in how to get power So jamie uses higher voltage. Jeff and I are just using more amps with the higher kv Watching jeff's And thinking what I was thinking before I think these are his motors. You just plugged in a new battery On that quality. He just landed. They definitely seem they're punchy. I like that like If I was looking for a motor, I would look for how punchy these are. I like to link it in the description All hype train motors are available at the front Bringing it in. Oh, oh, hey, that's a trick Don't peek. You can't look. Oh, yeah, I can't look. I won't peek either Oh, that's amazing. Do you feel any different? It does. Um In the turns it feels different and I know that all the rates are the same. So I don't know why But it does feel like this is looser How about power wise that seems like it's a little zippier Oh, yeah, and it is pulling more amps. Well, I turned off you don't have Amps shown in the on-screen display. No, but I have well, okay the voltage the voltage dropping faster I should have turned that off too. Oh, this seems a little more powerful than me The quad itself is flying not as well as the other one at all There is a difference and I don't know if it's this is just got like funky quad problems But I do like the other ones better like the other experience was much better than this one Do you think there's more power or smoother or what it's I would say that the response is more fluid And this one is like really touchy and really loose and like I said, I know it's not rates or anything like that, but Do you want to get van over in on this because not that he knows anything But I think he'll be very opinionated. I think he would say oh, that's that's definitely first. Sure It's this one Yeah, I noticed a slight difference that would tell me which one it was. It's a quad all right Definitely a quad. It feels like my everyday setup, but you fly this frame every day as well. Yeah, everything is the same Except for the motors, but based on how this feels I'm guessing this is my motor because it just feels perfectly like what I fly every day This is also like a spot. I fly all the time. I have all the advantage. I fly this spot more Yeah, I'm flying all the year. I'm pretty sure these are mine and they're the best damn motors ever This right here. This is the juice. This is uh the hot fire That was stupid I went blind on that one. All right, I'm gonna land it over yonder. Those are mine Is it gonna hurt your feelings if they're not? No, I'm just there's just there'd have to be some sort of external factor, you know I'm really there'd have to be like aliens interfering or all right Oh I'm sorry. It feels exactly the same Still feel right at home, don't you? Yeah, let me see These have less power than what I'm used to I think this one is flying. I think this is the one that Is flying a little worse. It feels less kind of locked in Like it feels real loose, right? Wait, which one did you think was the loose one? Uh the second one that I flew which you thought were my motors. Yes Wait, are these my motors? It's hard to sell is it? Are these my which it feels I mean I feel very comfortable with it though I turned off my on-screen display because I wanted to do it with as little clues as possible This one kind of feels like the battery has drained faster And therefore just all around worse. This is the vortex motor and it sucks Oh, yeah, this oh wow. Yeah, that battery is low definitely lower, but it's so close. It is so close I would be perfectly fine and either Wasn't a huge difference, but I want to commit. I want to commit. I want to be bold I think I flew my motors first and they were far superior I'll I have to reveal for both of you guys So I'll just reveal in the order we went. I wrote it down in case I forgot I couldn't tell the difference, but I would say I flew your motors first You flew my motors first in your second. You have no preference over which was which you just think they're exactly the same basically All right If anything, it was more the second battery wasn't as good or like you haven't flown that that other quad until today, so you haven't done really any tuning you just Yeah, I just flashed over So it didn't fly quite as good So you think yours didn't fly quite as good But I would definitely not say that Those motors are weaker because your quad all together feels weaker than my quad It's just what mine's heavier. That's hard to believe. I actually know it's not mine's not really heavy It's probably prop pairing that's I'm using a heavier prop and you you typically fly these really lightweight skinny T motors So this you probably have a prop that's better Get spinning faster than what though this motor and on your the props you're using I'm using a heavy and that's that's kind of the thing is so both of these are high kv motors It's so tricky man to be you know, you'll never know science style We'd have to try this on like six different frames multiple frames size batteries With and without the GoPro everyone's gonna tell us I know I know we could have done it better We're doing our best when you thought which one I thought I flew Jeff's first and your second which did you like more and I liked the first one So you like Jeff's motors first got they both guessed it. Yes, you did fly Jeff's first And she liked yours more so you won with her But but like I said, I don't know if it was based on that the other quad it wasn't flying as well Like the quad with my motors wasn't flying as well Yeah, but he thought the opposite. Yeah So it's It's tricky What is it? No, I did like the first one. What do you think you flew first? I want to be bold. I want to commit to my decision I believe I flew mine first wrong. Are you serious? No, I'm kidding. Oh dad. I was like, no No You're right. I was right. So it was mine first and I did I did like it a little better You wouldn't pair the same props with both motors more than likely if you're one of those people that cares about that They're so similar though. It's it's just the stator size. I mean, it's the same The motors are the same winding style. They're both multi-strand winding if we put those props on your motors We would see very similar. Like I don't know. I don't think it's all of a sudden going to make that one more powerful Bottom line is they're just hardly different at all. So it's more about like I think confirmation bias or placebo. Well, I guess I don't know who's a clear winner. Jeff voted mine I guess we're gonna have to try to Grab the end over and he'll be the tiebreaker. Yeah later on Benny! Benny! Benny! Did someone call the captain for help? Do you know the weight between the two quads? Because the 2207 should be heavier than the 207 It's the same quad with different motors. That's all I know. Basically, it's so big if you can feel a difference here I already know I'm gonna feel it. Can you feel the weight difference? Oh my god, I'm just kidding. No, no, no, no You feel about the same but this definitely feels lighter. All four grams without you here. Do this do it No, do it completely blind. I'm not even kidding. Okay, here's one. Okay, and here's the other Which one is Drew's? Well, they're both Drew's. No, which one is Drew's motor? It's the lighter ones. This is Drew's motor Whoa Okay, okay, wait a minute I told you I'm gonna notice the difference and he didn't Oh I think Jeff's motor is like 35 grams and then Drew's motor is like 31 grams something like that So you add that that's like a 16 gram difference between the two so which makes sense. All right, get those goggles on Yeah, I know good showing off Oh, you turned off the voltage everything Yeah, this quad flies good. Oh, it's not as strong on the top and as I'm used to but What else is challenging for me is Drew's quads are really heavy. So it's gonna feel a little bit different I may not be able to notice which one's what just by flying this quad I'm probably gonna have to fly the other quad So tell the difference. It feels good. It's pretty powerful It's hard because they're both I have a lot of time flying both motors But I've never actually put them up against each other and I still think I'm not gonna notice a big difference Wait, wait, wait, wait. You still think before you're like, I'm gonna be able to tell just by smelling it You said it I heard you say those exact words about smelling better You said you could smell a difference from a mile away. I think that's what you said. It's on camera I could smell which one that was you don't have to guess until you've flown both, but But you think which you can get us. Did you say? I think and maybe it's 23 or six, but I'm not sure. It's definitely flying for a long time and when I punch out I mean these are new batteries, I guess But it definitely doesn't have that same sag with the 2207 you're gonna Unforcel you're gonna get more battery sag when you punch out. All right, bring it in All right, no, no taking the goggles off. Let's get ready to rumble 2207 100% you're probably not 100 yet, but I'm pretty confident Like first punch out you just know You can hear the sound of it. Yeah, it does have a very different sound. You think you can just hear it It does sound really different from the other motors. This quad does from the other one I mean, it just sounds way more powerful Let me find some but the quads feel very similar Like I actually was expecting to feel a big difference and it's not a big difference This one is definitely more powerful though. So final answers. Which is better and which do you think it is? I don't know. I I want to say this is the 2207 But I want to be clear before I say the quads flew a lot closer than I thought they would in terms of power This just feels like it has way more power and generally from my experience A quad with more power is generally going to be the one with the bigger stator size But whatever I'm flying right now. I definitely like more than what I just flew before Yeah, I'm excited to see which one Did I take my mic? Go for it Wow That was a drip motor. Wait, so did I fly it was the vortex motors I flew the first time Really? Not only was wrong was wrong Yeah, yeah, you can go back to Texas now. Thank you back. You can get the hell out of here I did truthfully prefer the way that the second one felt and I flew drip motors for a long time for freestyle like probably The last nine months going through 2018 So I was very used to those and I've been flying the vortex motors for freestyle recently I would like to try it on one of my setups personally That's what I was gonna say. Do you think that because drip motors are on the heavier frame than what you're used to? Well, that's another thing too that I didn't take into account is that the the drip motors are That the quad with Drew's motors is lighter Which I probably should have been thinking about in the back of my head when I was flying it thinking Okay, well, this is a lighter quad and again, that's kind of why I'd like to try it on one of mine Truth be told I just I swear they just put the same quad and just was a better battery because it felt Significantly more powerful to me. It doesn't mean that I would switch to 20 through six No, I still think for racing based on The the spreadsheets and the amount of testing I've done in the last three months after nationals I still am very confident that 2207 especially like a 2207.5 motor is better. I don't like spreadsheets I don't like spreadsheets and too much data No, but the thing is what's cool about you want to get in the air, of course But you're not going to find an optimal maxed out setup until you run a bunch of tracks 20 30 packs on each And then looking at the average lap times import importing from the lap timer and just seeing what's faster And for me whether one felt better the other at the end of the day that's that's important Especially for freestyle, but for racing. It's what's going to get the job done And I always was significantly about 0.5 seconds or a whole second faster That being said, I know a lot of race pilots right now who just switched from 2207 to 20606 And they're saying that it is really saucy back and forth So I think it goes back and I hear so many competing like my understanding is that the larger diameter stator of the 2306 should give you More low-end while sacrifice more low-end torque while sacrificing some high-end power And that the 2207 is going to have more high-end power But I've also heard the exact opposite Postulated if you came here looking for true Sciencey came to the wrong place we do some you do light science with the whole lot of fun This is fun science fun science the quads flew Okay, the coincident flies as crappy as I thought they would it definitely still like Loosen out of control and your rates are like really weird Like I understand why your roll rate when you like hit half stick just goes Like this, I don't know why you need that for doing precise movements But maybe that's why you don't fly as a person anyhow If you do a similar test on your channel You can find Alex's channel link in the description all of our channels all the palace channels are always linked in the description So you can keep up with whoever you like best Alrighty guys, thanks so much for watching this episode. All right, Jamie and Drew Thanks for having me down here to Florida to do this testing I'm glad I was a part of it because it definitely changed my perspective on both motors a little bit Like subscribe and comment make sure that you go and check out the rotor right at store Where you can find both of these motors as well as tons of other awesome gear. Thanks so much for watching We're gonna do some flying now