 Good morning everyone. I'm Betsy Koh and welcome to our new member or not so new member Q&A sessions via Zoom. Co-hosting with me, I have Hilary Gadsby. And Hilary, do you want to introduce a little bit about yourself? Yeah, I'm the membership coordinator for the England project. I'm also a project coordinator for the Wales project. And so I've been on WikiTree for, let's see, must be over 12, almost 13 years. So I've got quite a bit of experience. Almost the whole 15 years. I have not been on WikiTree as long. I joined in 2019, but I didn't really become active until very late in 2020. And that's when I really dove in. And I also am in the England project, in the Wales project, Scotland project, just recently joined mentors. And I've become very involved. I love the WikiTree community and what the values, the research values. So welcome Murray and Richard and Sally and Doritz and everybody who's watching the video afterward. So we're going to have a look. Sally has very graciously agreed to be, you know, they're getting your, yeah, thank you. And to talk about some of her profiles, which are wonderful. Sally has just graduated from the profile improvement voyage, which is, you know, all about making the best profiles that we can create. So let me get a screen share going. Sally, I thought I would show the mother first. Martha Jones. Yes. Okay. I've been a member for six months. Well, and, and you had, I think you mentioned something in an email that you hadn't done any online genealogy prior to my right house. I am a paper genealogist from the last century coming back to it. So there's, yeah, talk about a learning curve. So I have to re familiarize with genealogy in general because most stuff was not online in 1999 and 2002. And then there's the WikiTree platform, then ancestry family search, find a grave newspapers.com. And now genealogy bank and probably there's some other ones that I'm not remembering. So I need to learn how to do those things kind of all at once. So, right, right, there's a lot of pieces. But yeah, and I have to say given given that I, these profiles are amazing. I have very I only have one teeny teeny suggestion, but beautifully done. Thank you. I have paper files that when I'm no longer here, someone's going to chuck them in a recycle men. And so I'm well motivated to say I don't want that to happen to all this work. Right, I want to make sure it gets preserved and when I looked around this look like the best platform for me, the best match for getting that stuff online. So there's no ancestry trees, or any place else of my stuff for you to find this is it. Wonderful. And so, yeah, looking at this profile and American profile. I love that her birthday is 4th of July. Yeah. And parents with with the hyperlinks to their profiles, siblings. Yeah, I'm getting her siblings I don't have them all yet, but I've got some of them in. Oh okay, there's more to come. Yeah, more siblings. Well, yeah, I, yeah. Some of them I've just been stymie a little bit on the research, but I'll get there. Yeah, yeah. Terrific that you've got a specific marriage date sometimes don't always have that. And both both death, death date and location. This may look a little different on your page since you don't have wiki tree browser extension. Notice that the categories are in this nice little box. Yeah, that would be very handy. Yep. So that's, so I definitely have to look into that. Right, that's one of about 121 reasons to get the way. You've got a you've got the bio I see you're using inline citations. Yeah, I had to do that when I started I did not know how to do that. Yeah, and how to edit those, because when you go into edit mode and you look at that the first time I just backed out of the profile. When I first saw one of those, because oh no I won't want to touch this because I'll mess up with something I don't know what I'm doing. And then I developed a method that worked for me to try to get in there so now I understand how they work and I can do inline citations. Right, and this would be one of two two ways to do it the other way being to just have a list of sources at the bottom. Yeah. Yeah. But it's I like inline citations because it's a direct connection. To the source. Yeah, and I know how to do the where you name them so you don't repeat that whole long source citation. So you can use it in multiple places. And you don't have to use it at the top. If you put it in at the end, like an obituary or something, you give it a name down there, then you can put the shortcut version up at the top, and you don't have to move those big chunks of text all around. Right, right. In multiple places. The system is very clever. Yeah, it follows follows the ordering that you want. Right, and then research notes. And here was my my only teeny tiny suggestion is that with the research notes. You know, if it's something where it's maybe based on information you have because this this is your family right right yeah my relatives. Okay, yeah. You might want to sort of put a little stamp on it that that's a signature. Oh yeah I tend to forget to do that. Yeah, right right and the way maybe Hillary could you put the four till days in the chat, so that people could see what that was going through. Yeah sure. When I was going through profile improvement I was always getting nudged about that because I would forget to do it. But it makes sense for someone's going to come along later and read that and say oh yeah okay. Right, right. And I would say that maybe it's, it's a little less critical since you are the profile manager. And if I looked at this and I had a question about the research probably I just send you a message. Yeah, but yeah. Yeah, I will do it because there's more work to be done on this. Yeah, yeah. Well, and putting in the divorce. The divorce is not in here. Right, right. And so let me just get to the bottom and then we can. Well, yeah, we'll look at Aaron's profile her son, and then talk about the sticky things. So yeah, here we got the sources. And this is well done that you put the fight the Bible transcript and the find the grave in see also. That's that's the proper way to do it. Sometimes you'll see find a grave in the source list but it's it's better to do it see also. So you mentioned you wanted to know more about free space pages, and yet you've done a few you've done a beautiful one. So I'm going to just hop over here. Okay, well I'm working on getting pictures. Okay, I don't own this Bible but I've seen it my grandmother let me transcribe it years ago well she passed on and one of my cousins got it. But she's amenable to things and she's local to me so I think I'm going to be able to go over to her house, one of these days and get some pictures of the book itself, and the page where Martha wrote in all these birth dates. And the, the publisher page that kind of stuff. It's not particularly interesting looking as a book, but it's certainly interesting as a artifact or a family record. So I'm going to add those into the, this free space page once I get, get that. Yeah, yeah. So a free speech page is something that you can create yourself very easily. If I'm in the top of the top menu in the right corner, I just go to add, and then add a free space and it will prompt you. I have, I have one that is outlined to brick wall on one of my lines. It can be about your pets and can be about the history of a house where you grew up if you want to document that I mean really it's, it's limitless what you can do. And a transcription of a family resource like this is a wonderful use of it. What it does is it keeps keeps the profile itself from becoming too cluttered. And, and also you'd want to be referencing this for multiple profiles. Yeah, I think I have put links on. I'm not sure if I got all the children but I think I got most of the children well out of the six children I am a profile manager for four So they all came up for adoption. Plus, Martha came, Martha came up for adoption and parents came up for adoption so I was able to get those. Yeah, created at least started. Right, right. And in cases where, say, I think you mentioned, there's there's one family profile where there's an existing profile manager. If you, if you have made a connection with that person, you can ask to join the trusted list of that profile, so that you know you're notified of any changes that happen, and you know you can, if the profile is not not open, you could make changes. So that would be the other way to handle it. And the ones that I'm interested in for an additional scrutiny, they're open, but the profile managers, they have something else going on. So they haven't been responsive to private messages. Yeah. Okay, I've gone ahead with some of them and just like, I would be thrilled. If I was working on somebody and someone else who had a lot more information came along and put it in there, I would be thrilled. Anyway, it depends on the kind of information maybe. Sure. Sure. Yeah. All right, well, let's, yes, Richard, you have a question, go ahead. Yeah, I'm not subject to profile managers and trusted lists. I'm so new to this I don't know my way around so I don't know how to properly put in information. It seems to me in this organization that if you look at that at the monthly newsletter for example. Yeah, here's a pretty important. The list of thank yous that people get each month for improving profiles that are in profiles and stuff are, are prestigious points. I've done a lot of work in the last few weeks and provided notes and clues and comments and all of those notes and clues and comments became profile improvements for which someone else got the thank yous and I'm not. You know, I'm not the person to stand up and fight for something like that, but I just want to say that it seemed inappropriate somehow. The profiles that I've improved are are not the profiles of someone's own family that is a project profile manager. It's not part of their family. It's, it's a friend. Family of a friend. So, so how it begging and pleading to a profile manager to give up your own family's profiles to you to our facts should not be a thing. How do how do we get as, as people interested in working this project, our own family profiles from someone who is not a family member of that profile. Yeah, yeah, I had an instance of this early on in my time on wiki tree where a fourth cousin of mine had created a profile for my great grandmother. I had much closer relationship, and we, I mean, we were in contact and collaborating, collaborating, and we, we became, you know, we became co managers of the profile. He's very inactive on wiki tree. So, you know, but that way, if supposing he were to pop up and make some change to the profile I would know immediately and I would be able to communicate with him about that. Laura, do you want to speak to this question as well. Yeah, I mean, some of us, particularly those of us joined early on may have made profiles for people that are more distant than just our close family. So, I mean, strictly speaking, if you somebody joins and they're closer to that person than you are it makes sense for them to be one of the managers, or at least on the trusted list so that they can see if something somebody makes a change on it. Obviously, any, anybody that's over that it was born over 150 years ago or, or died more than 100 years ago they're all open profiles anyway so anybody can actually edit them but if it's somebody that is on your direct line you really want to be on that trusted list and people. I mean, we do, they do encourage people to ask and that, I mean, sometimes people are asked like I've done today, asked to be put on a trusted list because they found something about somebody. Maybe that the name at birth or something wasn't correct because the person didn't realize that the name that they put on there wasn't actually that the person had perhaps got married prior to the marriage that they had. So you might want to change it and the only way you can change it is if you're on the trusted list and that so that is a good enough reason for you to say, oh, can I be on the trusted list so that I can do this. But I mean, if you're going to do that you really want to just go on there do what you need to do and then, and then perhaps take yourself off the trusted list because we don't encourage people to hang on to too many profiles but some of us that that created a lot of profiles initially will have a lot of profiles and it takes a lot to to manage our those or remove yourself from ones that are less important to yourself so. Everybody on wiki tree as a watch list, which we're going to look at in a little bit, and your watch list is all the pro all the profiles that you are manager of, or on the trusted list stuff. And so, for example, when we well let me since we're talking about this let me, let me go ahead and show that to you right now. Okay, here I am. And if you go under your, you know, you go under my wiki tree. You'll come to watch list. And there are there are all my I have 271 profiles on the watch list, which is not bad at all. There are people who have in the thousands. You do want you do want to keep that number reasonable. So for, for example, you might have heard in the newsletters that we have connected on coming up next weekend, which is a 72 hour event where I guess 570 or so of us are going to madly connect as many profiles through creating creating new profiles. It's possible. And so, all the participants we're going to end up with a lot of profiles on our watch list that that are probably not our family, and probably should not, you know, should be orphans forms for multiple reasons, both so that we don't end up with huge watch lists and, and then maybe also so that a family member could come along and adopt it. So, there are ways, there are ways to, I mean, you can of course go one by one and take people off your watch list. There's also ways to do both both removals. So, and then as long as I'm talking about the watch list. So, I had mentioned to Sally the extra watch list. Yes. And this is she'd been she'd been asking, well, I guess you made a free space page of people whose profiles you were interested in that you're not profile manager. I made a private category, I think is what you would call it. And so I can see it on my profile and then I can get to, but I have to go look for it. And then back there to is a shortcut to get to those three profiles. Got it. Got it. So, what you'll see on my menu up here is I have this, this extra my menu, and that's because I had the wiki tree browser extension. It's a, I've customized my menu, so that these are the ones that I go to the most often. So it's just a nice handy shortcut. So you can see, let's see. Here is my notes. Extra watch list. Just what I'm going to do. I'm going to go to a random profile. Here, you'll see these icons. And if I wished to add Johannes to my extra watch list, then I would just click there. Yeah. And so, and then next to a handy. Yes, very handy here with the binoculars. You'll see, these are the people on my extra watch list. Um, you know, just people that I've done to say on the on some of the training trails, the orphan trail, the Tartland Tartan trail, where I just, you know, I invested a lot in these profiles. And I just, you know, I want to keep track of them. Yeah. So that I have that. Yeah, yeah, I'm definitely going to have that. Um, Richard that I felt like we, we circled around and covered a lot there, but does that answer your question? No, my, my initial inclination would be to suggest that a committee be formed of veteran wiki treat people to actually adjudicate the management of project management of a particular profile. That's where I am on that subject. But yes, thank you. This is great information about the, about the watch list and extra watch. So I appreciate that. Thank you. Sure. Yeah, those are, those are helpful. Hillary, do you know with the extra watch list? I mean, it's just sort of a way to gather them, right? I mean, it's not necessarily that you're notified of changes, right? I think you're notified of changes because it only saves it on that particular machine that you're using like so if I'm using my desktop, it saves it on my desktop somewhere for me. But if I go to my tablet and use my tablet because I use my tablet as well for wiki tree things, it won't, I'll have a different, I can have a different extra watch list on there to what I've got on my desktop. So it's something to do with the extension, how the extension in saves, it must save it locally on your machine somewhere or in your browser. Yeah, yeah. Wonderful. Okay. And I think I saw David Randall come in while we were talking about that. Hello, David. Welcome. I'm still trying to get my laptop working here. Okay. Okay, no problem. And, yeah, David is also a veteran wiki tree and that's a lot for wiki tree. David, do you have, can you introduce what you do on wiki tree? Sure, I am. I do several things, but I am a co-leader of the Notables project. So we oversee all of the profiles for people who have any kind of special fame. Sometimes those projects, people get a little carried away with them. So our job is to go in and just kind of monitor and make sure that we're following all the standards, particularly for famous people who are still living. That's one of the probably the biggest challenges as we have is balancing the privacy between wiki tree standards for privacy versus the fact that a lot of these people are very public figures. So keeping a good balance there is one of our big challenges. Within that, I also supervise or oversee the U.S. Governors project. I oversee the classic Disney project. And I also oversee the 15 nations global tour, which is a project where we try to boost the number of profiles for people from countries that often get over. For example, right now we're in Haiti. We've been connecting. I think we have just over 200 profiles we've connected in the last two weeks. Previously we've been to India, Ukraine, Argentina, Kenya. And tomorrow night I'll be announcing our next stop. I can't tell you today, but we got that ready to go. We can't we can't bribe you for that information. No, I've had a number of people try. Yeah, if I tell people now nobody will tune into tomorrow. That's right. That's right. So anyway, that's a bit about what I do. I'm also a mentor so I work with newer people that are struggling and trying to learn the ropes of the program. I believe Betsy is now one of our newest mentors. Yes, yes. Yeah, not be newest but but second newest. Okay. And I forgot to mention that I was a mentor when I introduced myself and agreed to. Okay, well, let's look at the second profile that Sally gave, which is the son of Martha. So I can easily get there from Martha's page mother of Aaron. And I love this photo. This photo is amazing. I, I really don't know who would have taken it. Because the, maybe one of his relatives from Michigan, maybe one of his siblings had come down to visit or something, but it would be a wild guess. It's no longer there. This house that they were living in at that time is no longer at that location I've been told that it got moved. They were building a railroad underpass. Okay. Yeah. Yeah, I mean there's just so much detail in this photo that I'm like, Oh, what do I focus on first I mean the shoes, the doll, the hair. Yeah. And you can notice that Sally has this photo linked to all of the people in the photo. So if I were to go to Mary's profile, the same photo would appear. Right. Yeah. So as I learned in the profile improvement project was how to do this. I had never thought of doing such a thing and it's like, Oh, you can do that. Oh, show me how. And you, you can also link it and link a photo to a free space page. Okay. Yeah, that will happen. Right. Right. So when you do your your photos from the family Bible, that's that's how you would do it. Yeah. Okay. So, okay, well, I love photos, but I'm getting sidetracked. Okay. So we've got, you know, again, very good detail on the places and dates and close family relationships. We can see the categories, not only place categories, but also occupational categories and the cemetery category, which is all really, really helpful for other researchers. And what a sad story I see that he died. Yeah, he died too young, too young. And it really, it really put the family into a loop, because there, I don't know whether there was any kind of railroad survivor benefits or anything, but it, it was a train wreck for the rest of the family. Yeah, because he was not there anymore. Right. Right. How old were the children at the time of the children were 1816 six and two. When he died. Yeah. And, yeah. And so I see you put that in the research notes, you know, the question of whether there are some documentation. Yeah, I've been working on that one but that's, it's going to take a lot more work to find out what might be there. Mm hmm. Yeah, so and polish that up. Yeah. And this, this what you see down here is another wiki tree browser extension feature this what links here. This is handy to see that on each of these pages I could be on each of these pages, and it would link me back to Aaron's profile. Okay. Yeah. So now, Sally, can I would you mind describing some of the information that you have that you're, you know, why Martha divorce Jacob. Yeah. I had looked for that, you know, the legal divorce record information years ago and I kept getting bounced around. Well, we don't have it was so and so probably doesn't so and so would say, No, we don't have it but someone else has it. I've been reading newspapers recently because newspapers.com has good coverage for the particular county in the particular time period involved in this. So they have the legal notices cons column. So I know that her criteria were drunkenness cruelty and non support. And that he spent a little time in jail for gambling, running an illegal gambling room in his house and, but he was still a justice of the piece when he died. So I think his literal drinking buddies were able to keep him in office because he had been he lived there for 40 years in the town. And really, it's sad because I think that he had a business failure that may have, you know, impacted him a lot to send him down that path of, of being a scaling way. But he got three, you know, a few lines on the back page of the local newspaper, which is not online that I've been able to find, whereas all the old settler type relatives and he came in the 1850s he would have been on the front page with a nice long juicy biography, except he wasn't. And he got a few lines on the back page he barely got a tombstone. And he was what they call a colorful character I guess. But the divorce was in the legal notices. So that's how I found out it was in 1896, and there's at least two mug books, but he's not in. There's a book. Let me see this book. published in 1939. Yeah, he's not in the index. And he would have. What is the title. Getting in and out of focus it's called the region of three Oaks. Okay, folks is the name of the town. Southwestern lower Michigan. Yeah. And I'm sure there's good useful information in there. It's just not about him. Right, right. So, um, that's what I'm thinking about a free space page for Jacob. And it may loop to the larger life of the town a little bit, because he wasn't the only one who was having a good time on Saturday night, doing whatever they were up to. Well, everybody thought that you should do on Saturday night. Yeah. I would agree with you starting with the simplest thing I'm going to go back to. Martha's Martha's profile. And I'm not going to change anything, but I am going to go into edit mode for a second. Sure. I think it's, I think the divorce does need to be on the profile. And see, I don't have a problem putting that in. Yeah. And I mean, you have clear evidence. Yeah. So, so over here on the right, you can see spouses. And you can edit the marriage. And what I would do is I would put the end date would be the date of the divorce. Sure. And then I could add the, the notations from the newspaper and link, you know, put citations in for those. Right. So sometimes a, I mean, generally one spouse, you know, dies before the other. And so sometimes I will use this end date as the date of death of the first spouse. Well, you know, you can, most people figure that out. But yeah, but that's, that's where I would do that. Now I'm going to, I'm going to go back and not say. Also a very, very helpful thing at the bottom. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Okay. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. And then I. You know, Sally had pointed out a very useful. G to actually David. David was managing a pop-up event to do with sibling stay. And David, you probably saw the thread about. About suicide and how to handle difficult issues. Yeah. Yeah. And I mean, I over Sally brought that to my attention. And I would say I, I overall agree with the ideas of transparency without sensationalism. And just putting, putting the sources there. The sources that gave you the information and allowing people to go and see for themselves. I think what one of the things we agreed on in that chat was that a suicide has a profound effect on the family. And if you leave it out altogether, you're missing out on a big piece of that family story. At the same time. You don't want to sensationalize it. You don't need to get into graphic details. And also, I think the timeframe, you know, did this happen a hundred years ago or did it happen two years ago? That makes a big difference also as to, you know, one of the, if we've got living relatives that can be affected by it. By having that posted, we may want to be more discreet and not necessarily. You know, put in those details. But when you're getting back generations. You know, I think to leave that, that piece out of the story. You know, that can answer a lot of questions as to why certain things happened with the children and spouses, et cetera. So, you know, but it's, it's a, it's a, it's something you've got to use some delicacy with and, and, you know, some judgment. But I think also with, you know, with the divorce. You know, even if we don't get into details on the why's and all of that and the biography, just having that, that date, the end of the marriage for future research, researchers coming by. It's helpful to know that I shouldn't be looking for the husband with the wife if, if that marriage ended. So, you know, just give me that little piece of information with the date can save me a lot of, you know, misguided research. No, it's helped me to know that there's some kind of underlying reason why he's been left out of materials that he would have otherwise. Why is he not there? Well, there's some reasons, and we may or may not know the details of what those reasons are, but there's another, they called him a mug book from Pennsylvania. It was published the year after the divorce. So Martha is mentioned in one of the profiles in there. And Jake is mentioned in his brother's profile because it mentions the parents and all the siblings. It doesn't go into any detail. Doesn't say you went to Michigan. Doesn't say anything about him having a wife or nothing. It just mentions his name. So it explains how to interpret those materials. Now that you have more context to understand, oh, there's something that was for whatever reason decided not to be mentioned. Yeah, yeah. So I don't know, Hillary and David, if you have thoughts about whether some of these details, you know, Sally had mentioned doing a free space page or, or should that be woven into the, into the profile itself? I didn't hear the first part, doing a what? Doing a free space page. Free space page. Okay. Yeah. Yeah, it, it just depends on how much detail you have and what you're, where are we talking about the suicide situation or the divorce situation? What are we referring to? The reasons for the divorce, you know, Jacob was, you know, party hearty kind of guy and he, he's like, I think, I think one, one thing again to, to, you know, to use, you know, I think, you know, I think one of the things that we're looking at profile here, this individual here died in 1905. I don't think it's as much of a concern when we're going back a hundred plus years as it would be if it was somebody that, you know, where the spouse is still living or the children are living. So if it's, I would put it in the body of the, of the, I don't, I don't see for privacy reasons and delicacy. So if you're trying to benefit in going to a free space page, you're still posting the same information. If you've got a lot of detail. And you want to keep the profile a little bit cleaner. And this would go for any topic. You could then do a free space page. You know, I'll do that for like a, if I'm going to put an entire will or, you know, if there was a long history of court dates and, and that kind of stuff that you want to put on there. That might get a little bit tedious to read in a narrative. You could put that over in a free space page. Okay. But if you're concerned about privacy and delicacy, whether you put it on a profile or free space page, I don't know that that makes a big, you know, a big difference. Well, and I've got probate files that kind of illuminate the whole story too, because when dad died, he had a certain amount of money. One of the kids managed to get their hands on most of it. Mom was not happy with that. So when mom died, she wrote that daughter off with a dollar. Yeah. And that all. One of the things records. One of the things I do it with the free space pages on this regard. It's kind of like when I tell my kids and my nieces and nephews, the family stories, they only want the, the interesting parts. They don't want all the details. When I do a profile, I kind of keep that same thing in mind. I want people to enjoy the profile and, and be entertained in a sense by it. So if I've got a lot of long boring legalese and stuff, then I might do have. Yeah. Other people want those details. They want access to them. Or you could perhaps do an abstract of some sort to be in a profile and do a transcript to do in a free space page. Or put it at the end of the profile. So it's not interfering necessarily with the narrative story, but it's still there for people. Yeah. Yeah. You know, you do want to, you want to provide others with that information. But again, you don't want to bore the general reader with, you know, a lot of technical stuff. So it's, you know, it's kind of a balancing act. Richard. I see you got a handout. Yeah, I can, I can see the free space page extension of the biography being pretty valuable. What prompts the question for me in a, in a biography, it must be concise obviously on a profile. What items are essential to include in a biography? And what sorts of things. I suppose everything else would go over to a free space page, but do any of the veterans here have. Any examples they can point us to that are excellent examples of biographies within a profile. Well, I will say David has a really amazing profile completion checklist, which, you know, I printed it out and it's just a really good guide to go through. David, do you have, do you have a model? Yeah. Let me see if I can pull the link up for you. Yeah. I'm going to make you a co-host. Okay. So you can screen share. And while David's finding that, Richard, I would say, yes, biographies should be concise, but not at the expense of leaving out essential things. Like, you know, of course all the vital details, but migrations from place to place, significant family relationships, occupational information. I mean, sometimes unfortunately we don't know more than just the fact of so-and-so did this job. But if we have a little more context to give, that's a nice thing to be able to include. Do I need to stop sharing so that you can share? David. Yeah, let me do this real quick here. Okay, so I put the link in the chat. Chat box. And then let me, I don't use YouTube a whole lot. So I'm looking here for it. It's at the bottom zoom. You should be on zoom. I look for share screen. Yeah, I've got that. Now I just need to find the. When you have a zillion tabs open, like I do. Yes. Okay, let's see the share screen. And I don't see it here. So let me try this. Okay. All right, I'm not finding the link here. Do you want me to share it? I brought it up on my screen. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah, if you can do that, I'm just not seeing which buttons I'm supposed to push here. Yeah, let me see. Showing now. Yeah. Yeah. Right. So this is just something I came up for my own purposes and I shared it with one of my groups and it kind of took off and. A lot of the different projects are using it, but it's just a guideline that I use. You know, when I'm working on several family members, sometimes I forget to go back and add the stickers or. You know, clean up my sources, whatever. So this is just a list of the things that I want to check off. I may not have all this information, but I want to make sure that if I do that, I thought it included. So, you know, for example, I may not have a photograph. But I can check that off if I don't have it. As opposed to I forgot to put it on the profile. So it just gives me a little bit of a guideline. But I think that's it. I think that's where, when we're doing it, and this list at the bottom gives you some examples of profiles that have. Basically been complete. Now I use, I think at the beginning, it's been a while since I read the heading here, but I say essentially complete. Cause there's really no such thing as a complete profile. There's always more that can be added. But this just means that I've, that I've checked everything that I need to be checking. Yeah. I love this. Such a great tool. Yeah. You know, last night I was working with a family with 15 children and doing the profiles for all 15 of them. And I'd go back and I, it's like, Oh, I didn't put the stickers on this one or forgot to add this over here because I was going back and forth between all of them. So at the end, I just went through them one at a time and made sure every one of them had each of the things that was supposed to be there. I mean, I think one of the best ways to learn on wiki tree is just to look at a lot of profiles. And when I was new, one of the things that helped me so much was watching the Saturday morning live cast, the Saturday roundup. Yes. And one of the features of that is to, to look at about a dozen profiles and great Clark walks through and that, that was what opened my eyes to the possibility of, Oh, you can do that on a program. And, and then I would, you know, look into how, how did they do that? So. And your April 15th Saturday tip of the week about free space pages, I've got that marked so that I can keep going back over that because I've got so many ideas for those pages about things like the life of the town and about the railroad and all these different things. And so I'll be definitely using that. Yeah. Yeah, good. Yeah. That thing about the videos will be useful. The videos will be useful for people that are new because there's been so many recordings over the years. It's just, yeah. Yeah. It's also how I learned a lot about formatting. I do a lot of cutting pasting rather than reading the health pages on how to. You know, bold something or make something in color or whatever. If I see it on another profile, I can just kind of cut and paste that and use it. It's a lot easier than trying to figure out the coding and all of that. Eventually. I'll go into edit mode just to look at the code. With no intention of touching it, but I'm like, how did they do that? And then I can see what the code was and then I can do what they did. Exactly. I'm going to put the link that we were just talking about with the videos. I'll put that in the chat. And basically it's just playlists on the, on the YouTube channel. Where do I get to the chat? See, I'm not so good on zoom myself. Chat. Okay. So there we go. That's, that's a very helpful page to bookmark. I assume everybody's aware of their scratch pad. I mentioned, I think last time we met last month, that you can put, you can put the, you can put these shortcuts on your scratch pad. If you, if you want somewhere, which is on the navig, your navigation page or your nav home page. Should we, should we show that? I think that would be good to, to show it. Let's see. Let me go back. Okay. So. There we go. And if I go to. How do I, I just go there. No. Where's my navigation page? Somebody was telling me a. Oh, there we go. Nav home page. Why is it not going. It's loading. Yeah. Yeah. I'm being impatient. There we go. So your nav home page, you can, you can customize this. So I've seen my tree. G to G threads that. Are of interest because of tags on following. And then what Hillary was talking about is a stretch pad. Which can be really helpful for a. Short-term to do list or, you know, making note of shortcuts and it also shows. The activity. And recent. Yeah. So. Helpful, helpful tool. I don't use it as much as I should. Yeah. Okay. Well, so that we don't lose track. Yeah. Go ahead. Just want to say real quickly. When you initially set up your wiki tree account. You may or may not have included the scratch pad on your home page. So if you don't see it, you just need to go to settings and. And at it. Right. So under my wiki tree. You would go to setting. And then there are just a whole. There's a whole list of things you can customize down towards the bottom is your navigation homepage. And so you'd want to make sure that that is checked. Scratch back. Yeah. Let me show the wiki tree browser extension. And I'm also going to put this in the chat. Yeah. Or actually David or Hillary, could you put, could you put the free space page for the wiki tree browser extension in the chat? Yeah. Thank you. Yeah. So, um, for those of you, um, the salary, you don't have it. Richard, do you have the wiki tree browser extension? No. Yeah. And Doris. I've got three, three people that do and type over to that. Um, wiki tree browser extension is, um, you can see up on my, I use Chrome. And so you, uh, the number one is the sorcerer and what, what looks like a teeny tiny wiki tree icon. That's the wiki tree browser extension. Um, and it's the, it's the product of our wonderful community of volunteer coders and application developers on wiki tree. And they have, um, you know, just taking the wish list of everything users feel would be handy. And, and gone ahead and added. Put them in together in this wonderful package. So it's, it's a massive amount of things they can do. Um, and it's a lot of things that you need to, to have a, have a browse through this free space page. Um, and it, it starts with installation, like how do I get it? And it will talk you through that. I don't consider myself to be a super techie person, but it was not, it was not hard. Um, And then I would also direct you to the wiki tree. Um, So this is a new Monday video series with a win, a win the first help and Julie and Azure. And, um, they have one of their first videos was all about the, uh, Uh, the wiki tree browser extension. So they like, you know, they walk you through. So if you're a visual learner that this would be really good. This is serious. And that, that again, that's a playlist on the, on the, um, the video I say already shared with them. May I say something about the wiki tree browser? Yes, please. Please. So I, I, I'm, uh, I'm using a Mac. Uh, and I use Safari. I don't use the other browsers. And so I haven't been able to use the wiki tree browser extension until very, very recently when I got an advanced version of it. And, uh, and so just last week, I started using the wiki tree browser extension and boy, what a difference it makes. There's just so many useful features that the wiki tree browser extension brings to you in your ability to. First of all, just looking at your profile. It changes how you look at your profile. That's, that's one layer of it. Then there's a whole set of features that you can use. Where you're checking your biography and, you know, looking, looking for details that you might have missed. And then of course there's the wiki tree sourcer, which I never had before, but I got last maybe just a couple of days ago and I haven't really started using it yet, but it's amazing. And so it, it, it really has changed my whole outlook on how to do things. Um, one of the things that I do periodically is I, I do a DNA confirmations. And when you do that, you have to, you, you start at one end, you know, you're, you're, you're working with two people, two living people, and you have to work up their lines. And, and at each stage at each person along the way, you have to adapt the, the confirmation statement, you know, to say, um, this person, the person in this profile is the sixth great granddaughter of the MRCA. And is also the third, third great grandmother of the tester. So you're, you're changing these details as you go. And, and having that little, um, uh, right at the top of your screen when you're working on this, and you've got your clipboard and you can have multiple things in your clipboard. So you have instead of, you know, control C and control V, you can, you can copy something, put it into your clipboard and then you can copy something else and put that into your clipboard. And so you can just move through and pick the one that you want to drop into a new profile. Um, and so yesterday I did, I did a series of, uh, DNA confirmations and it was just so much easier to go through it because, you know, there's a lot of copying and pasting involved when you're doing this. Um, boy, this, it just made my life so much easier. Anyway, I highly recommend for anybody who isn't currently using the Whitby Tree Bowser extension, get it. Yeah. Okay. Wow. That's, that's crazy here. Thank you. So, so happy customer there. Um, but I mean, the best is just, just like everything else on wiki tree. I mean, the amazing thing is it's free. So, um, that that's really good. I'm going to have to check out that feature that you just described. That's wonderful. Um, and just to not make any assumptions. M R C A is most recent common ancestor. Right. As Sally, Sally, I think you weren't noting in our emails. You know, the acronyms, the lingo, the jar. Yeah. Tossed around anytime you come to something new like this, you're going to have to learn some language. Yeah. Even if you just read the G to G, if you're a real new and get on that forum and just read stuff. And stuff is of interest to you. And then if you don't know what it is, try to find out what it is that will help you get used to it. Cause you don't understand what they're saying. And other people think it's simple. Well, yeah, tag me in the G to G post. So I'll see your comment or whatever. It's like, Ah, how do I do that? How do I type it? If you don't know, then how are you going to do it? Simple stuff like that. A lot of people don't realize how much they know. Can get in the way. Can get in the way. Yeah. Yeah. No, the learning curve. It's substantial. It's a height. Yeah. Don't be afraid. Be concerned if you're so far in, you think you should be more with it than you are. Cause no, there's just a lot. There's a lot in here. Yeah. You know, I tune into groups like this. I've been with wiki tree for a couple of years and. I sit here listening to do people and the things they've discovered that I never even knew existed on wiki tree. So even those of us that have been around quite a while are always. Uncovering new things. Yeah. So it's, it's, there's a lot to. There's a lot to learn, but you can also, you don't have to know everything to. Right. Have a good time. It'd be effective either. Well, we have about 10 minutes left. And. I, Richard posed. A number of good questions. Which I, I will definitely, if I, we don't get to all of them, Richard, I will reply to you and be a email. To address those, but does anyone have. Burning questions. You know, right here and now. Just one little one. What do they do in a clean? A fun. I haven't been a part of it. So I'm going to toss that to. Hillary and David. I have what I did. What the cleaner phone did last time we had one, which we haven't had one for a quite a long time. Was clear up a lot of the suggestions that a lot of the date, data doctors deal with. So it was a. But I think because of the way the data doctors work and the way that data doctors work, I don't know whether that was why they stopped doing the clean the thons, but we seem to do a lot more. We started doing a lot more connect to thons and we just didn't. The clean the thon was the one that just disappeared. And we just have the connect to thon and the source of thon. By the looks of things. Now. We did have a scan. A scan one as well. But I think because of the way the data doctors work and the way a lot of the stuff works now with wiki tree. And the data doctors work as well. But a lot of people. Didn't participate in that because they just didn't have things that they thought they could scan or they'd run out of things that they could scan and whatever. And I as much as we like to have the. The images on the profiles to make them look nice. There's a limiter to what you want to actually have on your profiles anyway. So. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. I think in order for me to scan, I have to pay a subscription to Adobe. And since I don't have an ongoing need for that, I, I don't have that function. My hardware will do it, but the software is locked and it won't let me do it. But I have other ways to get images. On to profiles when I want to get them on there. So. Yeah. I think what I've been noticing is that a lot of the projects. Are needed. Cleaner thongs. Okay. Like, like Scotland recently, Scotland project recently, you know, there was a call for the month of March and said, everybody, let's, you know, let's look at this list of suggestions. And, you know, there were really easy, but important ones to, to tackle like places that had been misspelled. And, and so it was, you know, just. It's just sort of niggly things that take a, take a minute to just do. And, but it's helpful for the whole trees help. So. Yeah. Yeah. And England have recently done things which because there was a lot of places that just had a place and England and no county. So it wasn't being, some things weren't being picked up by the searches that you can do on wikidree now because wikidree plus. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. One of the things we've been talking. Richard. Sorry. I just wanted to mention for, for Sally's benefits. I haven't used it in a while because I, I work almost exclusively about it on an iPad, but if you're on a PC. If you need to be able to scan and, and copy PDFs and such. If you go to open office.org open office.org. There is publicly available and widely used software. That's safe and secure. Does most everything that Microsoft's works do. Most everything that a pvfs, you know, Apache Adobe stuff does. And you don't have to pay for it. Open office.org. Check that out. I will definitely do that because I'm also a modern day guardian. And I sometimes have need for scanning as well for that purpose. So. Anyway. Thank you. Yeah. David, what were you going to say? Yeah. So that I was going to say regarding these. Clean the thongs and all the other thongs that we do. One of the things we've been talking about. Amongst the leadership is when we open up. Our projects tend to attract people who are very skilled or, or at least become skilled in their specific area of knowledge. And when we open up these thongs to the, to the general membership, sometimes we've had an issue with people getting overly enthusiastic about adding stuff without really examining it. And, you know, making sure that it's accurate done correctly. So we're looking at doing more of the small projects that, that Betsy was mentioning where it's where they're, these thongs are more focused on the membership of the projects and the people that know that specific area. We'll still have some that are open to the general public, but we're going to probably see a lot more that are specific to. You know, whether it's the sorcerers project or the bio writers or the notables or whatever project it may be. But that way we've got, we've got a population of people that understand what kind of the requirements are and the expectations are. So if you enjoy those things, my, my suggestion is that you start joining to some of these projects and, you know, getting involved with them and finding out a little more about what they do and how they do things. And then, you know, watch for their, their mini projects as they, as they pop up. And I actually, oh, go ahead, Sally. The weekly data doctors, they're basically cleanup type of projects. You don't have to be a data doctor to participate in those. And I found them very helpful to just learn to how to find the typos in the ref tags when they added a period in the middle and just simple little stuff like that. That messes up your profiles. And as a learning tool for me to know how to find mistakes and fix them. And they're rated like easy, intermediate and advanced. So you don't have to do the advanced. If you don't feel up to, you know, but you can learn. And so every week I usually do a few to contribute to the cause on those, just as a learning tool. And I find interesting things while I'm doing it. Well, Sally, that might be the secret to your success. You're, you're really fast. I think it helps. I keep doing it. Yeah, I did promise to show how you would find projects. Um, because, um, I just, I can't recommend projects at wiki tree strongly enough in terms of finding like a little neighborhood and sub community of people to. Research ways. So under fine. Go to projects. And then, um, there, of course, are geographical projects. But then when you have themed projects. Um, and then underneath that are functional projects. So the data doctors that Sally's talking about that, that's under functional. Um, the mentors that the three of us were talking about that. That falls there rangers, rangers sort of. Um, Patrol wiki tree, all the branches and make sure that, you know, the integrity of the tree is being protected. Um, so, yeah. Um, DNA project. There's, there's a whole range of functional projects. The way to join any of these is just, I'm just going to scroll down to the first geographical project. Is just to go to their G to G post. Um, I don't see a link to a G to G post. Try clicking on a Katie ends at the top and see if that takes you to. Okay, there's their free space page. How to join. Um, some projects have a little more farming. Okay. Um, okay. Um, just my luck that the first one. Didn't follow the model. But in most cases, um, there will be a link to a G to G post for that project. You just, you just answer the post and say, Hey, I'd like to join. And some one of the leaders, project leaders will be in touch with you and tell you how to do that. Yeah. Um, Hey, Richard, I will reply to your email and answer, answer your questions. Um, that were sort of profile creations oriented. Um, any other questions? This has been a really great discussion. I want to thank everybody. Thank you. Yeah. Okay. All right. I'm going to stop there. According. Um, that's, that's the, let me. Yes. I just want to thank you for running this series. This is, this is fabulous. Oh, you're very, very welcome. It's my pleasure. You could take those tip of the weeks and put them as separate little videos and make a playlist on YouTube. If you don't have anything else to do. Yeah. You know, you know what I was, I was thinking about that when, when you mentioned, um, private, private categories, personal categories was one. Yeah. That's how I got that information to do that. Yeah. Yeah. I was thinking I should go through the, the videos. And, and, um, give a time stamp. Like. On this video. I, this is the tip of the week is X and it starts at 42 minutes. Yeah. Yeah. Cause I have it written down for the one from yesterday for those free spaces. Good. I'm definitely having that again. Yeah. And maybe, maybe I can link that to our new members zoom free space page. Yeah, that would work. That would work. All right. I'm going to stop the recording now. Thank you very much, everyone. Have a good weekend, everybody. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you.