 Thank you, so I will have to multitask a little bit managing the slides and I'm very very very sorry that on a Sunday morning, you don't have the right to break for coffee. I think that being a watermelon and believing the human right to coffee, you know, like It is it is necessary So I apologize and I will try to make this as caffeinated as possible To you know to lift your spirit and cheer you up a little bit after like, you know Difficult conversation that we had before and I had a question I couldn't ask and and it goes to Possibility is a building a better digital future and I see in Germany actually an excellent partner With what it is called and I don't like the term global south But is you know the new nations with a lot of young people innovating and thinking in different Principles for a better digital future. I know that you know Germany and many European countries are all the time looking at the US and then looking with caution and maybe with fear at China and they never look south and I don't know why you know like it is The obvious possible different way to make things more exciting to make things more Innovative to develop new markets, but also to develop new social possibilities and that's a little bit of what I'm going to talk here Being a watermelon, you know, like I got involved. I Got involved in these digital topics when I was working as a human rights lawyer And it was the happy days of Latin America, which the happy days might come back if Lula is selected today Let's cross fingers And I know that it's it is it is not about politics You know, it's a way of seeing the world that it involves the planet and it involves people and lifting people out of poverty at the core and The exciting thing is like around, you know, 2005 2006 you will have 100,000 people passionate about free software gathering together in Porto Alegre and It was magical time, you know, it was vibrant time It was so exciting to see, you know people who had at the core of their idea of the new possible digital world social justice and the planet and Equality and somehow in a period of 10 years old went away And we need maybe it was too early. Maybe we were too few maybe It was not connected enough with things happening here with things happening in Asia and Africa and other in other regions But now we have a very little window of opportunity Now we are like basically like the elements I see in this room and the elements I see in many other rooms in many other parts of the world is We at that time we were completely idealistic and completely like, you know, convinced of That the good principles will prevail that it will not only be the market But it will be also the possibility of social innovation Digital technologies that we like, you know developed from a public goods vision But, you know, like we fought into the trap of believe believing like, you know, it was very it was when Google was not evil And it's very important to remember that that don't be evil. They removed from their motto You know, it was very different times early days of Wikipedia early days of, you know, like early days of everything and We that we were not that I think that we were not aware that we were an elite basically an elite maybe not an elite and access to money or Access to power as we knew it then but an elite that were like, you know Had access to the design to the very basic design of the digital world that we were creating and we blindly believed in openness without connecting it with other principles and That was a big mistake because an openness that was like not, you know Moderated but other community principles resulted in like basically fed the big tech giants and free open open because of open became an extractive openness that Shut down the little ones this means the efforts of, you know, like a free software coders Completely like, you know hijacked a beautiful idea and it became in a monopolistic extractive dominant system that we have today But, you know, like I have been like, you know Activism like for a long time and at the intersection of human rights and digital rights And I'm a little bit tired of the narrative of the broken system And as we were like, you know in the previous talk like looking at the patching of the broken system And I think that you know, like when I'm working with my team We decided that Open Knowledge Foundation to move completely away with the campaigns of against this and against that And or let's try to fix this. Let's try to tame the giants. Let's try to fragment the giants I think that if it is the same logic and I have been like discussing this idea in a couple of talks The same logic of you have a building that is falling apart. It's falling apart right in your head And it is, you know, it's humid. It's completely hot in some on during summers It's so crowded is completely collapsed and sanitary conditions is dangerous for children is dangerous for everybody It's exploitative because it's like, you know, like imagine these landlords that are charging a lot of money to small businesses And and they are completely convinced the small businesses that they cannot exist outside it It has inside in a logic of market as well complete entire school systems So the children are educated in the logic that they cannot Have a digital experience outside this building and on top of everything on this collapsing Building with very high rents I mean the owners refused to renew the owners refused to rebuild and Civil society comes with this idea that okay, it's terrible the building is very very very bad But now you will have mandatory like helmets to get inside And you will have like don't worry because you will to children. We will create a little cornered safe space And to you know, that's the logic that we have and I think that if we do not break that logic If we remain in the logic that the only digital future that is possible is that massive broken building controlled by few We are doomed basically and I think that I think it's a very easy way to explain to people when you explain For example next cloud or similar technologies is a very very good Way to explain that actually We need to take a decision and we need to walk outside that building and build our own And it doesn't have to be a single building it can be like, you know It can take the different shapes according to our national realities according to our budgets According to our needs. I mean Maybe here in Germany, you need a super sophisticated system and maybe in my country Guatemala what we need is basically to have The basic pieces running, you know, I can and then maybe we will need some very Specialized sensors and things for agriculture and maybe you will need it for I don't know like, you know And the next generation of neuro technology Is different needs is different different values also embedded in the technology. So But I think that the what is urgent and it is it it is not only in politics But also in the way that we educate technologies and even marketing, you know, I I I don't like when people promote their products or services in the free and open source spaces us the alternative to I Think that it is not the the new Google or the new YouTube or the new blah We need to move away and say like we are this is a building block of a new of a new piece of technology That is going to be sustainable is going to be private by design is going to be green by design and it is part of a different logic and you and and and actually, you know, like in all the misinformation disinformation Conferences for example all the time. I'm so tired. I know you I want to scream when I I Hear that it's not possible to live outside social media as we know it because all the people are there and all the audience is there and Basically what we really need to do before it's too late. I mean remember half of the world is still not connected to that crap is Walk out of that crap and like really, you know, like Imagine imagine if all the mail like the physical mail was controlled by four companies or five companies We're in the same situation We had a very efficient Interconnector interoperable a system of communications by mail we can have exactly the same with social and I don't know why I mean it's on the interest of the companies, but it's on the interest of very Some powerful people like the power that they can access through money and of course I mean thinking and reflecting on the election today in Brazil in Bolsonaro, you know, like If you only need money to buy a system that will suppress votes and manipulate things on one side on the other is really easy So my my my reflection today is Let's change the narrative and you have in here You know, many of you represent companies or projects and social projects that are like basically building blocks of that new building or that new way of Creating technology my at the foundation that I had is Doing the same, you know with data and data infrastructures and it doesn't require a lot, you know, like I have we have a Small team of 15 people from different parts of the world and we we built technology that is designed to scale and to fit different needs Maybe you know, maybe 20 years ago. There was no alternative now We have a talented group like we are the most educated generation ever on planet Earth and we forget that I don't know why we forget that that we have all the capacity now We have become aware that only engineers cannot design this future that we need Sociologists that we need anthropologists and we need environmental experts. We can build something amazing I mean if to like, you know, two three dudes, you know in a basement in Palo Alto We're managed and they managed to build very like, you know, good technology. Now what we could build is Far more better. It's far more advanced and far more fitting at the needs of the future so basically That's that's the thing, you know, we need the same way that with architecture, you know One beautiful example is about house, you know, and there's all their examples in the same line Architecture like created these new manuals, you know to rethink how we with the space with light with Democratizing design so it could scale adapting it to different needs and The movement, you know about how most movement took the different expressions expressions and shapes in different localities We need to do the same with technology today. We have the basic code we have Interconnected communities many communities not only looking at the like, you know Market Dominating market logic, but many like really wanting to collaborate and build some beautiful things that can help the planet that can help culture and so on and if we From the moment that someone enters in Engineering school is that thinking of new principles that they must follow To build a new technology. I think that we Can't stop the patching and abandon that and abandon that sinking boat with all the greedy people and walk out of it So I what I'm going to like because I don't want to like of course get in the middle of your coffee and Delay the conference further. I will just pass different principles that I have been thinking of with my team and Of course, it's incomplete and of course is You might have and the idea is that you will be thinking today of Disney principles that we that we will be building like, you know, if you had like, you know 10 principles a little manual or a little checklist every time that we are designing technology So one is Yeah, and I think that we have forgotten and so much the basic is having now, you know, like our Grandparents and great grandparents for wars for these universal human rights principles And I don't know why we are not embedding them in technologies and non-discrimination Equality the right to privacy all all of that, you know, like it's in this foundation And it's not digital rights is rights that apply to everything that should be like the first thing, you know that the UN UN Declaration of Human Rights should be something that is like, you know, not only in primary school But in first day of classes at the University that should be like the guide is our global Constitution And one important aspect of it and there's some somehow Irritating thing that happens with EU legislation and American legislation is that it only applies to the citizens and you know, like when when systems are deployed to control refugees and doing a data is captured to Immigration and so on all these principles go to our national security, right? All the principles go to the trash can because we have a system of Them and us right and I'm in the them side, you know I have personally like experience this like, you know, okay It's strict privacy controls for Europeans and then you when you go to apply for your visa. God. Good luck and I think that universality Embedded in the technology that we create is a must Because if you design it with the with the principle in mind technology will not look oh The color of my skin or at the flag of my passport That that's super important that we push for higher levels of protection of everybody without deceptions The the second is recognizing that Technology is not a vacuum and it's not something new is built on knowledges From the past from different disciplines and we know more than ever that technologies and multi-disciplinary Process and that we are learning more and making the best possible technology when we involve social scientists in the design of the technologies that we are creating and Not only that also community, you know, like Getting the feedback and we are seeing here in these workshops and things that you're doing in this week this weekend The other thing is not only participatory but accessible and one of the access points of the innovation that we are creating clashes with patents and With the agenda of patents and trade secrets that we that the European Union actually defends With the trade agenda and is a global standard of developed countries, you know to keep innovation locked and to keep and to keep many many many times the You know algorithms in the black box and so on Right now, there's a global trade agreements being negotiated that are going to affect all your industry And it's a tragedy that you know like to us we face a global climate emergency that innovations that should be immediately in the public domain to Accelerate the possibilities of you know catching up of developing countries and also of Deploying at scale the solutions that we need Sadly if these rules are approved that are like pushed strongly by the European Union about the G20 countries Will remain locked for years So open only when these companies like are willing to which will be like with the vaccines never So Participatory accessible it not only means you know easy to use it means access to the innovation that we are creating today and Reproducible I mean something amazing happened with Covetence part of the work that we are doing at the open knowledge foundation, you know like When you open source not only the technology but the research When you open the data sets and the methodologies on how we you came to those findings Rapidly, you know like scientists in the other side of the world can build upon and Accelerate the findings and make better research for everybody Sadly, you know like with data and data on research most of it Remains locked and it is a big fight because they open it badly There's a very interesting statistic that less than 7% of the open Government data that is released globally is usable so with technology similarly, you know with code like we When we mean about open and we are designing this I think that if we make the technologies and the code and the research reproducible We can accelerate changes and build this digital world better faster or audit the bad The bad guys better Sustainable, I mean it is not I mean it's obvious now. I mean we didn't consider it before You know, it's obvious now and should be like an even a legal requirement for any new technology has been produced But also sustainable for communities and what do I mean with that in the free software communities? We have seen many many many bad community dynamics that are extractive on people and I think that it's a big rethink on how we build the communities inside the Free software the free software spaces and the free culture spaces So it is a pleasure to be a part of and you feel considered you feel included and you feel valued For me was an amazing learning experience to come to head open knowledge foundation and look at the secan and other projects that we were managing and when I understood how The hierarchy inside the communities is built. I was horrified because it means he or she who caused the most Decides the most and has most more power Inside a community and I was like, okay, but it Absolutely ignores different dynamics of maybe someone who doesn't have the time But it's contributed whose point of view should also be considered and so on. So it's a lot of work to be done on how we govern the process To design technology, so it's not a meritocracy, but it is actually a democracy And generative, you know, like I think that one thing that was mentioned here of the sovereign tech fund. I I really I really hope that I can make the pitch and convince, you know Couple of governments in South America and Africa so we can like, you know, pull resources also into it. So it can be really a common global project, I think that we invest so much in weapons we invest So much in failed startups We invest so much subsidizing big tech big pharma big everything and we dedicate Solid such a little fraction for the innovation and the possibilities that can fix our future and and I think that We can do a lot from civil society trying to harness the power of communities creating new technology But all stays in prototype It doesn't even go to the face of pilot We have seen it with lots of EU funded projects like decode It's great technology that stays at the prototype phase Because nobody wants to put the money and the political will to scale it So I think that we really need if we think of a possible digital future We need to start piloting and comparing notes and doing it in different places at and the public sector It is our best ally Municipalities local governments ministers of education ministers of environment. We need to start like Implementing we need to get them out first of that broken building because those are the institutions that are like key to define our future and Then interoperable of course it has to be rooted in the local because communities, you know, like get very It's the best accountability on technology is exercised by the communities and if you can go and walk into the next cloud office or And see like, you know, like you are doing really this very bad thing and sit down and see the people coding your technology Is much better than if you go to an offshore office that is not even paying taxes in your country in an abstract Place that will never listen to you even if you are destroying the democracy of an entire nation as it is going on Now with meta and Myanmar Documented and released by Amnesty International recently. So I think that we need to I think when we see the people coding and we when we see the people you are you are coding for it changes everything in the design the perception and the consequences of your actions and Exponential impact, you know, like I think that we need to really remove all barriers To open in the possibilities of the good technologies that we are creating So it can you know spread as fast as possible And I know that you're thinking now. Oh, this is like, you know, like maybe it's too Topic maybe I have in mind a very practical principle that I want to contribute and that's the point the point is like Let's forget about the rules like the breath of the broken building and this logic of Securitizing myself as and me as a person or as a community Paying for all the risks while they are accumulating all the wealth And let's start thinking on how we are going to build And where are we going to find the talent and the political will to start experimenting? Prototyping piloting and then deploying this new digital future that we want to see What what are we doing at the open knowledge foundation? So we are doing like four things for very small things. We have been doing it for like, you know over two decades Literacy we think that to deploy this new digital future with the people need to understand what's going on and We have a network of over 100 trainers all over the world like doing this very It's not a workshop of today's, you know, like we accompany them in a long process of understand what's going on on digital We have different chapters in different. I mean one of the most successful and I think that is far bigger than the organization that That basically gave birth to eat. It's open knowledge Germany doing excellent work But we also have like chapters in Brazil in Greece in Nepal In different parts of the world like doing excellent work We work on standards because that that way of a scaling I think that through community standards such a frictionless data standards is a very effective way to do it And we develop tools one of the tools is like, you know the leading Open data tool secant that is it has been like, you know use over 300 governments around the world But oh my god, it takes so long to like, you know release the new version and Update and everything because of course is not on the market logic, but isn't that in the volunteer logic and But I believe that it there's a beauty in Co-creating with public sector or we with communities and you know, like technology doesn't have to be So speedy new version update upgrade update upgrade It has to serve people for a specific purpose And I think that if we think of sustainability of communities and reliance on the technology this content Constant update upgrade you okay your computer is obsolete because my new system is super powerful But it's is not a fit for your like old hardware that's also a logic that we need to walk out from and And Inclusion, you know when we think on how we are doing this Is multi-dimensional and is necessary to build a new world we need resources We need investment. We need our taxes To not to be going to that broke to patching that broken building. Let's stop subsidizing that broken building and let's redirect the Resources to our communities that might mean as well that Bad thing that I told you about trade rules changing those because many of the trade rules impede actually Governments and local governments to choose the local maybe more expensive, you know, like Provider of good technologies instead of junk food technologies Because of this Trade this the very complicated trade rule systems that that we are like immersed into and That needs to change for sustainability and for local sustainability We need to open the technologies to have these feedback loops and Coordinated way coordinated way to bring the latest best innovation to all communities everywhere And we need accessible tools and that's it The last thing is in times of hopelessness hopelessness in times that you know you as Europeans are having like, you know I want next door as Many people in the Middle East many people in Africa are having like a very very bad But I'm an ass Latin Americans living in the most unequal region in the world. I Think that hope is a discipline that we need to keep I think that we are better prepared than ever To imagine and to also build a better did a better future not only did you start with a better future? And I think that if we the same way that if We walk away of that broken building of technology if we walk away from this hopeless Narrative from this tragic night narrative of our world is going to collapse We will never catch up with the big tech giants The war is going to be make our lives miserable and devastate everything We will not have enough energy to use actual the actual talent That we never before had and that we have today to build this possible digital future that we are like building here right now And that you are going to build tomorrow in your Monday morning. You are going to build every day with the small contributions And I think that the possibilities are here. We just need to start we many of you already started Then we need to connect with many to make it more resilient and to make it more fun and Yeah, that's in summary my message that I have be disciplined in hope Be consistent in your narratives Stop defending that there's a possibility to do save that broken building and let's start as soon as possible Building as many as many new buildings and many distributed interconnected super powerful different in shape Good for rights buildings everywhere in the world. Thank you Thank you Renata, thank you so much for your passionate plea About the need for a local decentralized digital comments. You learned me a new New term today junk food technologies. That's wonderful. I'm going to keep that with me and share that with others so Thank you for sharing those principles with us. It was marvelous. I want to go over these We had let's have some questions together Are some people who want to ask some questions to her nada? I have one Yeah, seriously, so We have the fortunate situation of course that we have Somebody from the politics in our in amongst us, right? So We all we all love activism, right? We we have this in our in our DNA and we can all be activists, right? But if I hear Mike talk What can policymakers do you kind of hinted to it already somewhat in your presentation? But perhaps you want to make it more explicit. I mean if I could take one decision if I was like, you know like the Queen of Europe For one day, you know like for one day for one moment one of the one of the urgent things, you know Like is I would take each and every European institution out of Silicon Valley giants is absurd that I have to see all the videos of European Union by a YouTube You know, like why why I have to like, you know, like, you know, even watch Advertising if I want to see a talk, you know, like we gave up the the basic channels of communication between the people and European institutions through Twitter Facebook YouTube because you have to be there. I don't know who told authorities that if it was Locally hosted and not stealing any of my, you know, attention even, you know Like if I don't have to go through it, it would make a big difference for local invest locally in investing local, you know options That embed European values. I I mean, that's that's the the first thing, you know, like that I will do I think that that single measure will divert resources enough resources to start like healing our public sphere digital public sphere And the next is for electoral authorities, of course, you know, like stop trying to regulate the unregulated It's impossible to regulate campaigns going through those channels. It's impossible actually. So we need to rethink the way that citizens and then the public political parties engage with this With with their constituencies, we need to walk out of it and the Europe has all the ability to deploy their own Hope is a discipline, right? So let's abandon the narrative of a broken system and let's build a new one Renata, thank you so much. Oh A question. Oh, sorry Do you have a question? No, no, go ahead because there's one question I would have with regards to regulation and especially regulation of social media companies who are again offering these old gardens like Facebook Instagram and so on where you have to register to interact with other users Now I was thinking about like for the last couple of years whether those it couldn't be Legislated that those companies have to offer open APIs so that you can actually interact with those users on those platforms without having to register there I'm not sure whether that's something you have been thinking about I mean, I that would be like great Like, you know, and again, we go back to trade rules You know, like it is that one of the increased difficulties is that every time that you want to regulate this kind of companies you're creating a barrier for trade blah, you know, like That can be I mean Europe is powerful enough to like counter it I think and I think they will be like absolutely logic like if you know, for example a concrete example of what the mall I think there's a lot of earthquakes in Guatemala and the the entity taking care of you know, like alerting the population about okay, there was an earthquake epicenter here magnitude here only has a Facebook and I don't have Facebook, you know So if I'm this side and I hear in the news, so there was an earthquake in Guatemala I cannot know exactly what happened because I am impeded because of this none is not open, you know Like you you cannot see so I think that is it is necessary. I mean I ideally Ideally like yes, they should have be forced to be interoperable and to be and to be like But ideally we also want to undermine that power, right? Yeah So yeah, you can applaud for that gentlemen Pete everybody please please so Then I thought I was far too quick. We have questions streaming in so I have one from the live stream for you so you Mentioned war what's your view on how to end war so we could spend your resources in open source of air from the live stream I yeah, yeah, you know like I wish I wish you know like I Wish I had the answer. I really wish that I had the answer. I went out when I was I was born in a country at war and The war in my country lasted 30 years and what if I see the situation today, you know Like the war never stopped, you know, like he it was just like the the inequality and devastation that they'd left It was just a continuation like and what I can like the only thing I can see that is it deeply affected the most vulnerable in society and The effects that we have seen in Europe stay one two three generations I have no I have no answer the only thing that I think is that we have to be like When we innovate and it's something that I used to talk with Julian Assange You know like the one of the problems of the free software is that free software can be used for the military You know like for military purpose and I would I would hate to see like, you know the fruits of my innovations used Weaponized, you know, like somehow so maybe we will be like in these new principles and and in these new Buildings we wish you like locked our innovation away from the military. I don't know I have no answer like sadly sadly I think that we need to scrutinize and use the power of data to scrutinize where the money goes to In the wars and who's benefited from it And I think that we are very distracted in only looking at weapons And there's lots of providers of war and contractors of war that make a lot of money out of armed conflicts that benefit again the Few like the weapons industry and the military complex is as concentrated as big tech We can use our learnings on monitoring big tech to monitor that but apart from that, you know, like I I think that We must avoid We must save diplomacy we must save the United Nations that is in a very precarious situation We must save multilateralism and and that's not a fix with technology That's a fix that goes deeper in society and I have no answer sadly. I just hope that all wars and Soon as soon as possible and that we don't don't enable Escalation with that tech is not an excuse For escalation, you know when I hear like, you know cyber attacks I am terrified that a tech glitch will be the excuse of an escalation of a war that shouldn't have started in the first place I just had a quick question about To what extent do you think that this is a problem that is solvable by technology by systems and to what extent is a lot of these problems solvable more by Education because we talked about things like open systems and things like that And I absolutely think that open API is and things about that great My problem comes in They're ripe for abuse and if the patterns of human behavior That lead to people abusing those systems aren't addressed. I don't think necessarily it can be purely addressed by technology Absolutely agree with you is not purely By technology and that's why I refer to interdisciplinary and I think that also, you know like if We keep most of the world like as passive consumers of like Two main providers of technology. We will never break that cycle. I think that we learn a lot, you know, like We have had that experience We know when we start like doing an open data portal with a little public administration of a municipality in Argentina for example, how much people learn from the process and It is like growing your own food, you know, like it is a little bit like that It is a process that involves local knowledge understanding what you are you are standing and Yeah, and I think that I'm very worried about the education system and about about primary schools basically Preschools and primary schools in the way that the first glimpse at technology that they're having I think that we need to think of the children as soon as possible and in and in the logics of The the the relationship with technology because as we saw I mean this is part of different talk Well, where we saw with a COVID crisis, you know, like Surveillance systems by design deployed on little children is horrendous and They they have stopped playing with technology and experimenting with it as a new resource for all sorts of development and just Being commodified as we speak everywhere Anyway, Renata. Yes, please everybody give Renata a standing ovation. Thank you so much for this talk