 2020 and we're starting the select board meeting call to order. Any additions or changes to the agenda? I would like to add a short discussion on the road radar. Okay, so noted. Any public comments? None. We'll move to the treasurer's report. Hi, can everybody hear me? Okay, good. Okay, so I wanted to go through a few things. I had a question today. Somebody called and asked if we were going to delay when taxes were due for May 15. I told that person, no, not at this point in time. And then what I did is I went online to see what other towns were doing. And Berry City, Berrytown, Middlesex and East Montpelier did not have any kind of delays. The only type of delay that I saw was Montpelier, and they're not delaying when the taxes are due. What they're doing is delaying when the penalty and interest begin. So instead of the penalty and interest beginning on May 16, it would begin on June 15. So I just thought I would make you aware of this and that maybe that we should put this on a future agenda so that we might want to talk about it. And we did find out today that we are not able to change the date of the due date because the voters voted on it. Right. And do we know if we can actually change the penalty and interest date because we also voted on that? And I'm waiting for an answer on that. However, I do see Montpelier did it and it's probably more relaxed than it. That could be. Okay. The other things that I wanted to talk about had to do with payments and any other ways to make payments, because right now, obviously the town offices are closed, if people are paying me cash, what I do is I have them come outside my door and then I get my gloves on and then I go out and I get the payment and I go back in the office and then I make the receipt out. So I was thinking what other ways are people going to ask me how they make payments if they don't want to come to the town offices. So one of them, I thought, well, maybe if they could scan a check and then I could take that check and then scan it through the printer that I have that I scan directly to the bank. The bank found on that said we can't do that. So there is one way we can't make payments. The other one that I was thinking about was Venmo. And Venmo is that payment that a lot of people use where, for instance, if I owed money to Dana, I could just put money directly into his check and account. So when I asked the bank about that, they said Venmo is not secure enough, so that would not be a way. So the other thing I was thinking about is the credit card fees, because the way ours is set up, we pay, excuse me, the residents pay the fees so the town does not have to absorb those fees. So I went to the credit card company, I asked them, is there any way during this COVID-19 time that you could relax these fees so it would be easier for our residents to pay? And they said no. The only alternative that we could have is if we, as a town, paid the fees, which doesn't seem feasible to me, because that could be quite expensive. Our fee schedule is on for the property taxes is 2.5% for credit cards, 1.5% for debit cards, electronic checks are $1.95, and then the minimum is $3.95 if we're using credit card or debit card. So those were the fees that I'm talking about. And like I said, I'm just trying to find alternatives for people and trying to figure out, if people ask me these questions, what I can give them for answers. So I'm just giving you the information I don't expect us to have, to make any decisions about that at this point in time, just if you could be thinking about it. The last thing that I have has to do with the swim lessons. Every year, the town pays for swim lessons. What we do is we pay $25 for every child that is enrolled in this program, and the parents pay the difference. We pay $25 a child up to $1,000 per total. And that I would like to know if the select board is willing to do that again this year. And this is if, obviously, there are going to be swimming lessons, which at this point, we don't know for sure, but the school is reaching out to me and wants to know if we will provide this service. So you're waiting for a motion from the board to approve the swim lessons? Yes. And but we're not sure if they're going to have them, but in the event they do. Correct. Where are the swim lessons? In Montpelier. The rec center Montpelier believe? Municipal pool I think. All entertain a motion? I guess I've just never heard of a town paying for individual child swim lessons before. So I'm kind of curious how we came about this. Do we pay for hockey registration as well? No. No, the swim lessons came about many years ago long before my time. So I know we've been doing it for at least 10 years and we have been doing it every year. So how it started, I really don't know. Okay. And I don't believe it's the full amount that it costs. No, normally it costs between $650 and $750 a year. I meant per child. Right. Per child. For child, I think it might be $50 or something. We paid $25 and the parent pays a difference. That's what I thought. Yeah. It's been a long-term practice, John, that they've done. The recreation committee has done and we've continued it the last few years. Yeah, I don't have any other questions. Okay. Are there any other questions anyone has? Hearing none, I'll entertain a motion. The high school rowing one to one last year. I'll make a motion to discontinue the $25 per child for this coming summer with the uncertainty in Do I hear a second? I'm having trouble hearing a person who was just speaking. I don't think they were speaking to us. Okay. I think we have some filtering background noise that's coming in on the conference call. Do folks want to discuss this further before a second or are they in agreement to second John's motion put before us? I think we should wait. You need a decision, Diane? Well, she's been pushing me for a decision like for the last month. So I'm not exactly certain, but I can certainly contact her tomorrow. Okay. I think that would be good and then that way if she will give us more time, we could put it on for the next agenda. Okay. That sounds good. Wonderful. Thank you. Okay. Thanks. And I'm done with my report. Thank you very much, Diane. Thanks. While you're here, Diane, I wanted to ask the board if they have reviewed the warrants, if there were any questions on the accounts payable run. Anyone have any questions on the warrants if you've had a chance to review them? No questions here. Diane, how have we decided to get the warrants signed? What I'm going to do until we hear something different from the attorney is once the minutes have been approved, I am going to attach the minutes to the warrant. Could we possibly buy a docusigned license so we can sign electronically? I am working with that right now, actually. Okay. We do it for state contracts. The attorney general is fine with it. Okay. Economic signatures are a pretty common thing these days. So I think it's something we could do once you figure it out. Yep. Any other discussion on the warrants before we move forward? I'll open it up for the approval of the licenses, permits, vouchers, and applications. Any discussion? None. Do I have a motion? Motion to approve. Motion to approve by John. Do I hear a second? I'll second. Can you hear me now? I'll second the motion. Thank you. So we have a motion to approve by John and a second by Justin. All in favor? I'm hearing some background noise. I'm sorry, I'm having a hard time here and here. I am too, and I don't know what to do about it. Yeah, it's the 1720 number, the last four digits, 1720. If they could mute themselves, that would probably be helpful. Okay. That's the box that was lighting up, which means that's the box that the noise was coming from. There's no noise here, but I think it's the other meeting that's filtering in. But I'll go ahead and mute. That's fine. So Flo, could you say one more time? Did you ask for a yay and nay vote on the warrant? Yes, I did. So I have a motion to approve by yourself, John, and a second by Justin. All those in favor? Aye. Opposed? Motion carries. Thank you. Flo, I'm just like to read what you're approving so that everyone understands what it is. Wonderful. That would be great. Thank you, Dana. You're approving general funds account payable warrant 20G18 with checks 20105 to 2139 in the amount of $65,786.67. And you're approving the payroll warrant 2020 for the payroll from March 15, 2020 to March 28, 2020, paid on April 1, 2020 in the amount of $46,877.83. Excellent. Thank you, Dana. And do we still have the motion by you, John, to approve and second by you, Justin? Yes. Wonderful. Thank you. Okay. Motion carries. Now moving to the next item on the agenda is the Public Works Board, and it's a discussion on allocation. And I don't have anyone from Public Works on flow. Okay. Well, I have a couple of questions. Why don't you discuss it, Justin? You had asked about it. Yeah, I appreciate that. So. Excellent. Thank you, Justin. Thanks. Recently the public, so recently the Public Works Board has made a few decisions. And they're pretty big ones. And I wasn't present for the new policy that we adopted, but I feel like some of the decisions that were made, I don't necessarily agree with, so I wanted to talk as a select board about them, maybe get a better understanding of how we should operate. So when I look back through the minutes, Dana, do you understand how our expenses are, how we currently pay for our fixed sewer expenses and where those expenses come from? Well, the sewer division is self-funded by sewer users. And those funds come from user fees. And I think what you're talking about is the change in the allocation, how the allocation is handled. Many people have large, various allocations that they have been saving for future development. I think that's where you're going. No, well, so yeah, that's part of it, but that's not all of it. So part of it is we have a, Tom had told me a $350,000 a year fixed cost for operating the sewer. How are we currently paying for that? Out of user fees. Just straight out of the user fees. Yes. And how much does the sewer department bring in currently out of user fees? Is it losing money? Do you know how that financially stands? Usually the budget is made up in the sewer to collect the amount of money. The rate is set to collect the amount of money that they need for their expenses. And it's not an exact science, of course, because it depends on your sales. And I would have to look at their budget to tell you how much per year. But if I were to guess and Diane helped me with this, would you guesstimate it to be $500,000 a year, something like that? No, I think it's probably more than that. I don't have the exact numbers, and I can certainly get those. And we do tend to break even. The only times we don't break even is when we have a lot of expenses. For instance, when the Shahs kept breaking and breaking and replacing an awful lot of items. That year we did not, we did not, you know, we lost money, but it wasn't a whole lot. The allocation money is in a separate fund. And that's in a separate, I have those in CDs. And then the funds that pay the fees out of, you know, we pay fees from that's in its own separate check and account as well. So the allocation fees do not mix with that. So allocation fees are never used for just the general expenses. A big part of our general expenses is that everything is processed through Montpelier. So we have collection, and that is like a monthly fee. And I can't remember exactly what that is, but it's like going to be $35,000 a month just for that. Plus we have a bond for the River Street bond, which is like $7,000 a month. And those are fixed costs that we cannot get away from. And then the rest of it tends to be repairs. We have a person that's on contract with us that has to maintain the system at all times. So that's another fairly large fee. That's like $65,000 a year. But I could certainly get the things together and go through that with you at the next meeting. I was thinking, Justin, we were going to have members of the Public Works Board here. So obviously I'm a little surprised that we didn't, but it could be we're doing business is very weird right at the moment. So let me speak with the Public Works Board and I will try to get them to your next meeting. And in the meantime, I'm sure Diane and I can pull together some figures for you on the finances and get you better answers. Right. So overall, the finances, I would like to know those numbers. My concern is that maybe the rest of the board isn't really aware of how it works either, that we have 600,000 gallons that we have that we can allocate. We've currently allocated the 400,000 gallons. Out of that, we're only using around 250,000 gallons. So there's 150,000 gallons of what's called unallocated, there's unallocated usage or whatever. Now, the last Public Works Board meeting, I mean, I have 8,000 gallons of allocation a day on my Barry Montpelier Road 672302, the old Sundara, and it's connected. I'm not using it, but the Public Works Board, and I'm not sure what the motive behind this was, and I would be curious to have it on the record and in a meeting, the Public Works Board passed at their last meeting where if you have an allocation, regardless of whether you paid for it, whether it was granted back in the day when the town didn't charge for it, if it's to a site that is currently unconnected, regardless of usage, they want to charge $1.65 a gallon for unconnected allocation. So I'm not sure what the rational thought process is behind that, but I mean, to me that seems, if it's associated with covering the fixed costs of the sewer, you would think that the fixed costs of the sewer would be covered proportionally for allocation period, regardless of whether it's unallocated or allocated, if that was truly their intent. So I'm just, I feel like it might be targeting a little bit, because I'm, theoretically, I'm not doing anything with my 8,000 gallons, but just because it's hooked up, I'm not going to get charged. It doesn't seem like a solid policy to me. I think one of, that I know, one of the things that they are trying to do is to change the structure of the rate. And because I would support a minimum charge to cover the fixed costs, because right now we're dependent, if you're building, for example, and you're not using it, but it's available to you, we're not getting any revenue from that building, or the sewer division's not getting any revenue. So I can't speak for that board, but why don't we try to get them in the next meeting? I'm sorry, they're not on tonight. Yeah, Dana, I'm curious if there are any other states, not states, but towns doing business like this, how are other towns building their rate structure that are in similar situations? I don't want to be in a model that isn't consistent with what others are doing. I would rather be following the same model. So whether I'm doing business in Berlin, or Barrie, or Williamstown, it's all the same, right? So if we could find out what others are doing, that'd be really helpful. We have that information, John, and I think that what they're moving toward is to model what other communities are doing, as far as the minimum, but we can get those answers for you. Yeah, I think it would be extremely helpful for him to be at the next meeting, even if it's virtually. I mean, I think Chip joined specifically because it was on the agenda as well. That's right, and I realized, yeah. And he hadn't been invited. There were a bunch of items at the last one. He came to me concerned. There were a bunch of items on the last Public Works Board meeting that really impacted them. And so I don't know if it's our... Would we typically reach out to somebody? I mean, there were three items that were specific to their properties. I can't speak on how the Public Works Board notices their meeting because, to be honest with you, I thought he had a list that he sent to people. I can ask him to see. I would have thought he would have reached out posting, but again, and I have the same thing happen to me. Sometimes you don't always get everyone you should, but I hear you. Okay, thank you. I guess we'll have to cover it at a later date. Yeah, I'm sorry about that. Yeah. Thank you, Justin. Thank you, John. Is there any other discussion that folks want on this topic? Hearing none, we'll move to the next item on the agenda, which is the appointment of board and committee liaison. This is the... I had spoken to you before about an idea of having a select board member as a liaison to our committees. And this is not something that we've done before, and it's a suggestion that I'm just making. The committees that we currently have are the Cemetery Commission, the Conservation Commission, the DRB, Economic Development Planning Commission, Public Works Board, Recreation Committee, and finally a liaison to the Berlin Fire Department. I know that there has been interest in having the liaison to the Berlin Fire Department appointed, and I'm not sure how you're feeling on the other boards. It would be... I think it's a good way to get information flowing to have members familiar with various boards, because it is difficult to keep up by reading minutes only. I entertain discussion on the topic. Are there people that are interested in particular liaison positions for the various boards? And if so, which one? I have an interest in the Economic Development Board. Thank you, John. I'm making a note of that, but John has the interest in the Economic Development Board. Is there someone on the board that would like to be on the Cemetery Commission? Hearing none, I'll move to the Conservation Commission. Is there anyone that would like to be on that? Hearing none, is there any interest in the Development Review Board? I would be interested in the Development Review Board, as well as the probably the... Public Works? Yeah, Public Works would be good too. Because I don't have... Oh yeah, I'm sorry. Yeah. I thought we had talked about at one point having the town liaison to the Police Department, Highway Department, all that as well. We had Justin, and I think it would be a good idea when our new superintendent starts to get off on the right foot with that. Okay. It may not be a bad idea to have somebody there for the transition as well. Absolutely. Yeah. Would you like to be the person for Heinrich? That's what I... Yeah, that's why I was saying... I'm sorry. I'm just... Okay. Justin, are you also interested in the Public Works Board or Highway and DRB? I could do the DRB or the Public Works. I don't think I could actually handle. So I'd be willing to do either one of those, whichever one... Whichever one somebody else didn't want to do would be perfectly acceptable to me. Okay. That's wonderful. Thank you. And the Planning Commission, is there someone that would like to be on that as the liaison? Okay. So the only other one that I have listed, unless I'm missing one, is the Berlin Fire Department. That's Recreation Committee low. And we'll add the police onto that as well. That's excellent. Very good. So with the Recreation Committee, is there an interest in another person being on that as well? That's a brand new committee that's just been reorganized. So we're... And the meeting I was going to have with them got canceled because of this pandemic. So we're working on that. What I would suggest, Dana, if we don't have someone for each of them tonight, that we could put them on the next agenda, because that would give people time to think about it. And there might be interest, you know, once folks have had the chance to consider it a little more. Okay. So we'll hold off on the Recreation Committee for now. Is there an interest, someone who would like to be involved with the police? So I actually have a question about this one. And it has to do around the contract. How does the Berlin Select Board or administrator negotiate the contract? Is there a committee for that? Or is that left up to the discretion of the administrator? How's that done? No, it was done with the committee. The entire board? Or is there a separate committee? It wasn't. It was one board member was on the committee, as well as myself, two people from the police department and our attorney sat on it. And then it was brought to the board for, full board for its approval. The contract goes to the end of 21 and it will be starting to negotiate probably at the end of this year. Okay. June of 21. I'm sorry. Is there anyone who has interest in it now or would you prefer to wait until the next board meeting? Hearing no discussion, I'll move on to the Berlin Fire Department. I've expressed an interest. Are there additional interests? I had as well. Do we want to table it for tonight and bring it to the next board meeting when we make decisions on the others? I might be. Are others in agreement with doing it that way? Very well. So we'll move along on the agenda. So the next item up on the agenda is the discussion of possible extension of gravel purchase contract and bid. But because we're a little ahead of schedule, Dana, if you wanted to go ahead and do the discussion on the road grader, if it's a good time for you now. Flo, may I, there was two another item for appointments, the continued committee appointments or reappointments. Very good. Let's go ahead and do that then, Dana. So those are citizens who have an interest in being appointed or reappointment appointed to committees and I've reached out to everyone whose term is expiring to talk with them about their interests. We have one new appointment that I'm suggesting to you and it is for the conservation commission. We have received interest from Wendell and Bowles of 68 Blackwood Drive is interested. The chairman knows Wendell in and supports her to be appointed. She is someone who has attended the last few conservation commission meetings and she is in the Vermont master naturalist program training in that and she's worked on various trail crews and the master gardener program and she's conducted surveys for the ash borer situation and the woolly hemlock age list. There he is. Flo, Brad just came on. Wonderful. Good evening, Brad. Evening. Do you want to take over the meeting now? Oh, good lord, no. I just figured out how to get on. I thought I was all set, but we're working now. Well, welcome, thanking Wendell and Bowles to the conservation committee. So moved. Seconded by John and seconded by Justin. All those in favor? Aye. Opposed? If you want to go ahead and have the road greater discussion unless there was anyone else that submitted? Yes, I'm sorry, Flo. Now I've got the reappointments for your consideration and these are people that have served on these committees whose terms are expiring and have expressed interest to be reappointed. Liaison to the central Vermont fiber committee, Jeremy Hansen was the town's representative and he would like to continue in that role. Dana, can we do just a blanket on this? If you would like to share, I'll read them and then, yeah, good idea. Liaison to the... I think that's a great idea. Okay. So the first is the one I just mentioned, the liaison to central Vermont fiber committee, Jeremy Hansen, the economic development council, that would be Jeremy Hansen, Roberta Haskin, Cornelsen, Jamie Stewart, the citizen liaison to the fire department, Jerry Diamatidis, the town representative for central Vermont regional planting, Robert Wernick, the alternate town representative for central Vermont regional planting, Karla Nuisal, and finally the town representative on the central Vermont regional planting transportation board, Robert Wernick. I'll entertain a motion as presented by Dana. So moved. All those in favor? Aye. All right. Opposed? No move. Who was the motion please? If I heard correctly, it was John. Okay. Doesn't matter. In the second? Aye, dad. Justin? Okay. Yeah. Thank you. Thank you both. Hey, if there's, everyone's in agreement, we'll move to the discussion on the road grader. Tim has spoken about the road grader to me. I have asked him to have someone from Caterpillar come and look at the machine or have us, we will truck it down there. Someone has come and looked at the machine. I'm waiting for the report. And the figure that Tim gives me is about $50,000. Although I would rather wait until I have the report in hand. And he is also saying that included in that $50,000, he needs new tires, which would be $8,000 of that $50,000. He of course is encouraging the purchase of a new road grader. And I just wanted to bring the board up to date on what has happened with the road grader. I think we should wait until we get here from the Caterpillar people. Okay. I agree. What's wrong with the current grader? There are several items that need to be repaired. I can't tell you what it would be, but when I have the report I will. Is it functional right now? Yes. Okay. It just seems to me that $50,000 is a lot better than $500,000. Agreed. I don't know what the hours are on that machine, but I mean that machine should hold up for at least 8 to 9,000 hours, maybe even 10 if it's well maintained. You told me it has 6,300 hours. Yeah. I think we can get another year out of it. Well, we had asked him often after him to get some figures on what would cost and have someone look at it as far as what needs to be done. And that's all I wanted to talk to you about on that. Any other discussion from anyone regarding the road grader before we move forward? Hearing none, we'll move forward to the discussion of possible expansion of the town, lawn maintenance contract 2020. Flo, did you miss the gravel purchase contract and bid? The extension? Or did I miss it? No, that's what we were just, I thought that's what we, well maybe we did. Let me look. Yeah, we did. Yeah. That's all right, Flo. We'll find it. We'll catch it. Shall we talk about gravel? Yeah. Okay. The gravel bid, the last time we put the gravel bid out was in 2017 and we received one bid from Northeast Materials for $8.95. In the bid, we had the opportunity to extend it for a few subsequent years and Northeast has held the same price of $8.95 a ton for material. It's that time of year. Northeast has offered to hold the price for another year. I guess I would encourage the board to take them up on that rather than send it to be rebid. We just don't have people interested in bidding on it. And I'm of the mind that if we were to rebid it, it would be more expensive. What would it hurt to put it out for a rebid, just to see worst case scenario, wouldn't we be able to go with this contract just to see if there was anybody interested? No, not if you put it out to a rebid. You'd have to take what was bid. Can we table this until the next meeting and maybe just kind of do a little bit more research, see if we think anybody, I mean, I have had time to look at it or think about it, but somebody might be, there might be more interest, especially right now, I would think. Yeah, I mean, I'm interested. It's all public record. What are other towns doing? What are their prices? I think we can use some of that to guide us. Okay. Do you want me to research that? Is that what you're telling me? Sure, if you're volunteering. Of course I can. All good points. Thank you, Dana. And thanks for the suggestion. So we'll go ahead and table that for the next meeting. And thanks for your research in advance, Dana. Okay, well, you thank me when I do it, huh? Schedule we're now at the point of approval of the review of the select board minutes for 312 2020 and 316 2020. May I entertain a motion? Can we go back to the lawn bit? Yes, absolutely. That was bid out last year and with the opportunity with the caveat that we could renegotiate another year for the same price and the vendor we used last year, Orange County, property management agreed to continue for the same price. We did have three bids last year. Shall I put, shall we do you want to talk about that? What other towns are doing on that? I think most other towns have their own buildings and grounds, people. Dana, what was the total cost of the bid last time around? For the $2,000 for the season. So we're really not at the threshold for rebidding? No, not really. We've always done it that way. It's under $5,000, which is our policy. I would think that that's a small, like $2,000 to continue forward if they're still willing to honor that kind of what you're getting at, Brad. Yeah, because I mean it's, well, it doesn't really, it's not really cost efficient to keep running after $2,000 because what's it going to be $100 one way or the other? Because most of those people are pretty competitive in their pricing. I agree. So I would move to take and accept the extension of the contract we already have. I second that. Okay, very good. So we have Brad's motion and John's second. All those in favor? Aye. Any opposed? Okay, so move. So now turning our attention to the select board minutes, do I hear any discussion? Do we have a motion to approve? Move to approve. Thank you, Brad. Do I hear a second? I'll second. Thank you, Angelina. Motion by Brad, second by Angelina. All those in favor? Aye. Thank you. All right, we're at the point of the town administrator's report, Dana. I wanted to just talk briefly about the procedures that we are using during this time. There is a and Justin had asked in an email about it and I thought it was a good idea. So I will forward it to you. The police chief has an operation for his department, which I will forward to you. And as you know, we are open. However, no one can come into the building. So we we wait on people more or less through email or telephone calls. And it's not very busy doing that, I might add. But we try to pay taxes, Diane accommodates them. And she has a procedure which to handle if they're paying with cash and several people do pay with cash. So for your next meeting, I'll have that typed up. I also wanted to advise you that the academy, the police academy has this because of this situation. Two people there and they have done a work around so that they can these two candidates can work under their they've already gone enough work to have a part time certification. So they will be working for us with that. And we are waiting to see what happens full time account. That's all I have. Thank you, Dana. Is there any discussion regarding the town administrator report? Hearing none, we'll move to round table. Brad, do you have anything for round table tonight? On the liaisons, Dana, I noticed you didn't have the police department down there. We had I didn't and you heard but Justin mentioned that as well. So I put that on. Okay. And it will be on your on your your April 20th agenda. Okay. Justin, did you have anything for round table? Yeah, my question was I just I thought we were going to have some other agenda items on. So I just wanted to get some input on why those got taken off. One was the class four to three discussion. It's been ongoing. You want to handle that data? You want me to? I'll let you do it, Brad. Justin, the the agreement we reached with the doubts and walkers here. And I was thinking that in the meantime, this summer, we're going to get a policy for that as far as change or classifications. And then they will be the test room. So you were breaking up a little bit. So you were saying I get that they were a year. But that so you want to wait for that year or something for this? I want to do what I want to do is wait till we are to their their one year is up. And in the meantime, before we come to dealing with it, I would like to have a uniform policy on the books that we can use to take and see what will be classified from class four to class three or from class three to class four. Yeah, standard. And I thought that's I thought we that we were having a discussion on that tonight. That's that's why it wasn't specific to the Black Road. It was about a policy that we were looking at putting in place. And I saw that it wasn't on there. So I was curious. Well, we I read it was a it was a discussion Black Road itself. So I took it off the agenda. Right. I thought my impression was that we were moving forward with this policy so that we could uniform everything we could have a good road inventory and that we would have a policy in place of standard policy non specific to that road. That was my thought. That's how I read the email. And that's what I think we need to do. So I was kind of like, why is it off the agenda? Yeah, I was just my interpretation was different than yours. Sorry. It'll be on the next one. All right. Thank you. I was just curious. Thank you for opening that up to discussion and we'll put that on for the next agenda. And was there another item, Justin, that you also had expected on the agenda? Did I understand it that way? No, I may have misstated that. I was I guess more or less it was that and then the I guess I was just worried. I would like Tom and know that we missed him. I thought he was going to be here at this meeting. Okay. And were there other anything else you wanted to discuss before I move on? No, that's it. Well, thank you. Thank you, Justin. John, did you have anything for round table? Yep. I had a couple of things that I just think we should all be thinking about is whether or not we should be considering a spending freeze. The local businesses in town don't have any traffic. They're going to have a hard time paying their bills. They're going to have a hard time paying their taxes. I think that we need to think about ways to reduce our budget. I've realized that our budget was approved in March. Things have changed a lot since March. And I think we ought to look and focus on building a strategy to reduce our 21 budget by 10%. It's not going to be super popular, but I think in these times people are having a really hard time paying their taxes. And on top of everything that's going on right now, it's only going to get harder over the next year. And I think it's going to be tough, but I think we need to start to buckle down and figure out how exactly we're going to do it. That's it. Very valid point, John. I want to put that on the next agenda or the agenda just after that depending on how much we have on the next one so that we can think about it in between and then have a more elaborate discussion. Well, if you're serious about that, then there's no reason we can't start doing a 10% cut across the board in July. Yeah, that's what I'm talking about. As soon as FY21 rolls around, I think we need to do some thoughtful planning all the way around. I think we have a couple of months to do that, but I think we need to put something in place to make sure that the following year, as prices continue to go up, that we have a surplus there to ensure that there's absolutely no increase to the tax base that following year. I concur with that. Other discussion? I mean, we do have the surplus in the budget right now. How much is that, Dana, a half million? Yes, about $500,000. Kind of the same, isn't it? Yes, it is. But of course, I hate to spend that down too much because I mean, I'd like to carry some for a really big fund. But I think it's, I mean, we put on the next agenda for an open discussion. Currently, right now, the budget is estimated to increase. And I mean, the operating budget plus the special appropriations, which you're not going to be able to do anything, about 9.16%. The operating budget alone is 7.75. So for me, I think it's really good that we have a surplus. We should always have money on hand in case things go really sideways. But it's going to get really hard for people next year. And I'm dead serious about wanting to do it. And we did it in our field when times got tough. And Berlin's a different town, but I think we ought to really focus in and see what we can do. It's certainly worth the discussion on seeing where our opportunities lie and where we can streamline things and make sure we take employee feedback. And we're going to need some time to do all those things. So the sooner we can start talking about it, the better, in my view. Another thought that I had, and I don't know if it's something that we can do without putting before a vote, but anything that might be able to be done, John mentioned folks having a hard time paying taxes. Would we want to incentivize tax payments, either by an interest rate reduction, if they were to come in early or on time? Is that something people would want to entertain? Well, you already have that with the penalties. So that's already built in? Yeah, to the moment while at town meeting there when they voted on it, it's the payment dates plus the penalties and interest. Okay. If there's no further discussion on that, Angelina, did you have anything for round table tonight? Not at this time. Am I missing anyone? I don't think I am. Okay. And do we have an executive session tonight, Dana? No, we don't. Okay. Do I entertain a motion to adjourn? So moved. Seconded. Thank you. Wonderful. So we're concluding the meeting tonight at 801. Thank you all. Congratulations, Flo. That's a record. Nice job, Flo. Thank you all. Good job. Have a good night. Have a good night. Thank you all. Have a great one.