 So I was like, I'm gonna have to go into this and beat her. If I don't do anything, if I don't win, as long as I beat her, I'll walk away from this happy. And I actually drew her first. So I was like, wow, this is gonna be hard. I'm gonna take this really hard fight for the first one, hopefully win that and then go into fight another incredibly amazing athlete, because we were the top four in Australia. Welcome to the Sevo show. Thank you. Thanks for inviting me. We have Victoria Sullivan, a two-time Muay Thai world champion. That is cool. That is cool. That's all I need to say, really. Yeah, cool. Thanks for inviting me. I'm really excited to be here today and talk about two things that I'm really passionate about and yeah, something that I want to get out in the world and share, I guess, my knowledge about. So yeah, excited. Love it. I'm getting better with my intros, but I mean, yeah, there's so many things to unpack from just that. And then obviously the Greyhound thing. So if you're passionate about sports, martial arts and animals, this episode's definitely for you. So let's go back to the beginning. Yep. Where did it all begin for you for the Muay Thai? Well, okay. So actually, when I was about six years old, my mum put me into Taekwondo and it was purely because my brother wanted to do Taekwondo. And so I did that for quite a few years and then I finished up when I headed into high school. Were you the older sibling? Younger. Oh, okay. So yeah, I sort of stuck with it and he sort of was involved in other sports. I really enjoyed it and I don't know really why I decided not to do it anymore when you're in a teenage, you wanna hang out with your friends. So sort of broke away from it for a little while and then I finished high school and I was sort of like, you know, when you finish school, you don't really know what you're doing with your life. And I just needed something that gave me motivation to one, get fit and just have something to do with my time. So my friend was like, oh, why don't you look up Muay Thai? And I was like, what is that? I've never heard of it before. Like I was just like, I'll do karate or Taekwondo because that's what I knew. And I Googled it and there was one around the corner of my house and didn't have my license at the time. So I was like, oh, great. Let's just jump in and see what happens. So I started training and that was when I was about 17 years old. So that's pretty much how I found Muay Thai just by luck. And then I realized that I actually really enjoyed it. I had my first fight when I was about 21 and at that stage, I was probably a little bit immature to want to pursue it to the level that I have pursued it for the last 10 years. And I sort of took a back step with it and I thought, you know what, this is too hard. I'm just gonna focus on everything else. So focus on my career for a few years. And in those years, there was just something nagging me in the back of my mind that was like, you should do this, you should come back. You know, because that first fight that I had, I lost and I was like, I've got to at least have a win so I can say I did it and I won. So I quit Google search. I found a gym and I was like, okay, let's do it and let's do it properly this time. And yeah, like that was eight or nine years ago and I haven't stopped fighting since. And fast forward to the next, I guess, eight years, eight, nine years, what was your record? What is your record? Oh man, every time someone asks me this, I'm like, oh, what is it again? So I had 24 professional fights which actually was not a lot for the time that I was competing. But of those 24, I think I won. I lost seven, I drew once and I think it's 16 that I had won. And of those 16 fights, I've got four state titles, three Australian titles and it's actually one world title. And I've done some pretty incredible stuff in that time. Amazing. So yeah, pretty blessed to have an awesome career but it did take a lot of effort and a lot of time and yeah, I gave my entire 20s to it which I'll never regret. And what did you learn from that and dedicating yourself in your 20s? Because a lot of people dedicate themselves to anything in their 20s. They're still testing but you found something really early to dedicate yourself into. What's the best thing I learned from it? Probably that I'm more capable than I thought I was and I could do things that I never thought I could ever do and all it took was, well, not all it took but what it took was just dedication and just a relentless approach to being successful. That's what I learned. And honestly, I'm retired now but I'm gonna take those skills into the rest of my life and yeah, that's the best lesson I ever learned. And before your retirement, you beat two fighters in one night. That was really cool, such an awesome experience. So anyone in the Muay Thai community will know what a four-man eliminator is or a four-woman eliminator. So it's basically where you fight twice in one night so you'll draw a name out of the heart. You'll fight one girl. If you win that fight, you'll then go on a few hours later and then fight another girl. So I did that in Queensland and that was sort of at the end of the pandemic which actually didn't end up being the end of the pandemic. I'll tell you a bit more about that. But yeah, so I went through a fight camp training for three different styles. So I've never trained so hard and so long in my life and my fitness and my physique and skills were just at the absolute best because I knew that I had to be able to beat my variation of three different fighters. So I actually had fought this girl, one of the girls I had fought I'd lost to. So I had like, I guess a bit of a vendetta and it was a bit personal for me. So I was like, and she'd said no to so many rematches and it was only because this was a four-woman eliminator with an Australian title attached to it. She said yes. So I was like, I'm gonna have to go into this and beat her if I don't do anything, if I don't win, as long as I beat her, I'll walk away from this happy. And I actually drew her first. So I was like, wow, this is gonna be hard. I'm gonna take this really hard fight for the first one, hopefully win that and then go into fight another incredibly amazing athlete because we were the top four in Australia and potentially probably the world. So how's it go? It goes first match, first match, winner from both versus each other. Exactly. Yep, yep. So something came out of me. I was just like, this is totally different person in that ring and I dominated the fight. So I'd actually lost to this girl previously and I dominated her in the second meeting and then I went into fight again for the second time for that night against another girl who'd been a reigning Australian champion for many, many years top of her game and that was a close fight. I beat her, I actually, she broke my nose in the last 30 seconds and I cut her in the last 10 seconds. So that sort of like sealed the deal for me. And if it had gone any longer then I definitely, she would have been finished because she was just bleeding a little bit too much. But yeah, it was an incredible experience and to add to that story, in between the first and the second fight we'd actually discovered that we had been in a hotspot in Queensland and if we were to return home within that timeframe which we were we would have to quarantine for two weeks. And I've got my whole team, my coaches, my teammates, my sister, my family had come all the way over to Queensland to watch me fight. And I was like, if I don't win this I'm gonna go home with nothing and my friends and family are gonna have to quarantine for two weeks. I was like, I need to win this fight just find a way to win the fight and I did. And yeah, I guess it just showed that anything could be done. And like, I'll add to that like these girls were all local. They were all like best in the country but they were all from Queensland and I was the outsider. And I ended up walking out that ring and people were like cheering my name. I was like, wow, this is incredible. Like I'm like this foreign person and they're cheering for me. So it was really, it was just the best experience. So that first fight against your arch nemesis. Yeah. You, did you finish her off in the first fight quickly? That would be, I'd assume the best strategy because then you're still fresh for that second fight. No, so it went all three rounds. Oh no. But I, which wasn't ideal because you get banged up but I just sort of played it tricky like carefully that I wouldn't get knocked out. But yeah, I feel like I out-skilled her in every round. And yeah, I probably had a few bumps and bruises but when you're fighting back to back within two hours you sort of don't even really feel them because you've got that adrenaline. Yeah. I've had situations where I've had to fight within a couple of days and I would say that's worse because the swelling sets in, the bruises and you feel it. The adrenaline wears off. It's gone. It's gone. You've got to ride that wave again. Yeah. And what are you doing between the two fights? Do you like go in the ice bath or something or do you, what do you do here? Yeah. It's really simple. Moitai is very simple. It was just in like a, in a car park essentially. It was a good, it was a good setup. Brisbane car park. It was literally in a Gold Coast car park. So, you know, we barely- Australian titles. Yeah. Yeah. Pretty standard. Fair enough. Pretty standard. It was a great show. It was awesome. But you know, there was lights that were solar panel lights and they were dead. So, we were in a tent and there's no lighting. So, you're basically just having to manage your injuries yourself. So, trying to get some eyes, put your eyes on your legs, elevate your legs so there's not too much of like the blood settling in, making sure that you're eating food in between so that you're refueling. What sort of food do you eat between fights? Have you seen those, those sachets that- I like the bite. Yeah, yeah. Yeah. Cyclists and the astronauts have. Exactly, yeah. So, it's like this high calorie, high carbohydrate dense food that's just like it's disgusting but it's small and it won't sit heavy in your stomach. So, those are the sorts of things that you've got to have in between the fights. So, like very different experience than having just one fight and one night because you have a fight, you do your thing and then you walk away and you just go eat a burger and it's all good. Is that the only time you've done this? It is, yeah. It's an unusual situation. And that was the same night you won multiple titles? Yeah, so it was the Infliction Australian title which is the show and it was the WMO Australian title which is like a globally recognised title. So, that's probably the one that I would claim over the other one. Did you get to hold two belts? It was like Conor McGregor. Yeah, that's cool. It was cool, it was really cool and they gave me these two massive trophies. I'm just like standing there in the middle of the car park with my belts and my trophies. It was cool. I love that. So, that was back in 21 in May? Correct. Nice, nice. And that now has been surrendered to someone else or how does it work? I don't actually think anyone's fought it but fought for that title specifically. But my world title is also a WMO and I have vacated that so someone else has fought for that one now. So, how does that process work when you vacate a belt, do you just say go on a group chat and go, hey guys, I'm out? Pretty much. It's very informal, it is. So, the rules are generally with most sanctions, it's six to 12 months, you have to defend it. For me, I did want to defend it but because of COVID it made it very difficult so it was two years in between the time that I fought it and then it was vacated. So, I was like, that's fine and that was only like a couple of months ago so my situation has changed. Yeah, yeah. And now that you're retiring, retired, what got you to go, yeah, I'm calling it? Funny story. I felt pregnant. Ooh, first one? First one. That's exciting. Yeah, yeah. Definitely can't be being punched in there in the midsection. No, and I did have the plan of having children was definitely on the cards for the next 12 months. So, I did have the idea that I would have a few more fights before I hung up the gloves but things happen and I'm happy to do that now. Family will come first now because fighting's great and I've loved it for so long but I did it for 10 years and I did everything that I wanted to do and I'm happy to walk away from it saying, yep, I did it. I didn't squander any of my talent and yeah, once or the next. There've been a few fighters, female fighters that have said the same thing, have had their kids and have come back and won it again. Do you see yourself maybe possibly, I mean, time will tell, right? People have asked me that question a lot and I've put a lot of thought into it and honestly, I'm gonna say no because a lot of the women that I know that have had their children and have come back have sort of been halfway through their career and they haven't quite done the things that, I mean, there are exceptions to that but for the most part, I found that those women haven't done everything that they wanted to do and they sort of cut it short by a few years whereas for me, like finishing up my career in the next year was really just giving it that justice it deserved and it wasn't necessarily to tick off anything that's like specific. So I think I'm happy to hang up the gloves and like I've just been enjoying retirement way too much. Yeah, it's just such a softer life and I think once you start to enjoy that it's very hard to go back to that really like hardened life because that's what it's like as a fighter. You know, you don't have time for your friends, you barely have time for your family and it's very much like commit yourself 110% and there's just, there's no room for anything else. So I feel like for me, I did it, I gave it my all. I gave up a lot to do it. So happy to say that's it. Yeah, I mean, a world title to be the hardest worker in the room and to come off on top there's really nothing else more to prove. Exactly, exactly. What about other fighters that you grew up watching whether they're in the local circuit or the UFC for example, who did you admire the most? Kayleigh Reece actually and I've ended up at her gym. So when I was a bit younger she was the girl that I looked up to because she was an eight-tile world champion. Just because she's local doesn't mean that that's why she's my idol. It's just by chance that she's local and she's gone on to have her two children and she hasn't come back to fight because she says, I did it, did everything that I wanted to do and I did it well. So I really looked up to her and her journey and just seeing like how the type of fighter that she was at her time was pretty incredible. Like you look at her physique and the way that she fought, she was years ahead of her. And if she came back now, she would still demolish half of, if not all of her division and I say that because I truly believe it. So she's definitely someone that I look up to and continue to look up to. Yeah, yeah. So the young girls at six years of age now wanted to kick their older brother's asses and they want to learn Muay Thai or Karate, Taekwondo or MMA in general. What advice would you have to them? I think it's a lot easier for girls these days because there's a bit more representation. I think my advice would more just be around just keep doing it. Like you're naturally gonna have a bit of self doubt. You're gonna think, why am I doing this? When it gets tough, you're gonna feel like that a lot but just keep going because it does get a lot better and you do have those like hellier moments where you're like, this is why I do it. But it is a hard sport and you've got to be prepared for that but it is totally worth it. Totally worth it at the end. Yeah, yeah. And when one starts their journey, what's something that kind of had you go, oh, this is tougher than I thought. And then you overcame it. Can you share a story? Because they're gonna probably, that's gonna happen to them. Draw from that. Yeah, draw from that. This is probably gonna be a little bit deep. Perfect. But when I was 23, I was obviously in the midst of my career but it was very early on and I'd only had have like three fights at that stage and my dad passed away. And I hadn't actually spent a lot of time with my family and I was like, oh God, maybe if I wasn't involved in this so much I would have had more time. But the reality is like I was doing something that I loved and I was really good at and I was being successful at and I sort of got to a point where I was like, okay, this can either be my wake up call to be like, I'm out. I'm not doing this anymore because it was a hard time. Or I can be like, okay, well, I've gotten this far and I've sacrificed and I'm not gonna get back any of that time that I lost. Let's just give it our best shot. You're really good at this. You had no direction in life prior to this and now you do. Let's really like give this a real hard shot. So yeah, that was probably my turning point because and it's hard to like remember back to that because it was like seven, eight years ago now. But yeah, that was a turning point for me because I was like, I've got to make something for myself and this is how I'm gonna make something for myself and then go from there. And then no regrets, right? No regrets at all. Because I know that my dad would be extremely proud of everything that I've been able to achieve and I've done things that, you know, back in his day girls shouldn't do, girls couldn't do. So I think that he would be proud of me and the way that I've represented me in the sport and shown other girls that they can do it as well. I love that. I love that. And then you now have some pets, some greyhound pets. Yes. Yeah, so I've accumulated a few pets over the years. So I've always loved animals like growing up, just obsessed with cats and dogs doesn't matter what it was, guinea pigs, whatever. So I had one dog, Smokey, he's my Kelpie and I thought it would be nice if he would have a companion. And I remember I saw a dog at the dog park one day and it was just such a majestic, beautiful dog. So I asked the owner about the animal and he said, oh, she's a retired greyhound and she's the most beautiful, loving animal I've ever seen. And I was like, okay, that's it, I want a greyhound. Yeah. So I applied for a greyhound during COVID and because I had cats, it took a little bit longer for me, but yeah, within six months I had my goose. So after joining all the groups, I came to realise that, and I had an idea before as most people do, I came to the realisation that the life that goose would have lived before that I had, before I had him was pretty awful. And I started to go down the rabbit hole of actually realising this is what's really going on behind closed doors. And it's been something that I've been pretty, pretty passionate about raising awareness for over the last couple of years. Yep. And I remember meeting you at Royals and you backed the Free the Hounds charity. That's how I learnt about it. I had an idea as well. Back in my early 20s, I fell into the classic footy guy thing where we'd go to the pub and we'd punt on the horses and the Greyhounds and I had no idea. Yep. And now I look back and I'm just like, man, if I had known back then how serious it is, 1300 Greyhounds since 2015 have been killed on just WA tracks. Yep. And that's just WA. Yes, and that's not to mention all the other dogs that are unreported, that have died. These are just dogs that are reported. So you can imagine that those numbers would be just incredibly higher than that. Yeah, and it's a lot of those dogs that still be around now. Yep. You know? And there's the breeding programs purposely for one thing and then there's the exporting, importing to countries with no regulations. Yep. And also was it, there's only seven countries in the world that do this. Yeah. Seven. And we are the worst. We have the most Greyhound tracks, which just baffles me. Like we're a first world country and we're still allowing this barbaric sport to happen in our backyards. And it's just, I just don't understand it. And you have, we recently, when I say we, I mean Free the Hounds recently did a petition where they gathered, like it was like 20, 30,000 signatures and they were all in support of stopping Greyhound racing. That's more than the participants that are in the sport. And they still said no. It's gonna continue and we don't give you a reason why. Yeah, it's all money. And I... 100%. I've been steering clear of any politics, any of that stuff for the last four or five years, building my brand. And I get people asking me all the time about different things. Something happens in the world that I have no idea about. And they're like, what are your thoughts on it? I was like, I don't have any thoughts about it. It's, if people have died, it's terrible. You know, me being Russian for the last two years, I've been called scum from, you know, people that I've never met before. Yeah. Just because of my Russian heritage. I was born there and migrated here. And yeah, I've had Ukrainians call me a pig, which is like a big insult in that sort of, like a swine. Yeah. I'm like, okay. And then I get asked about that and I just avoid it. I filter those words out from all my... But now I have some ideas, some knowledge, some history behind this, this Greyhound racing shit. And I speak up about it. I'm excited to finally find something that I'm like, I'm gonna speak up about this for animals that don't have a voice, but also feel a little bit of a contradiction because I eat meat. I know, I have that thought every day. And I see the lambs, like right now, it's like baby season. You go through the 2J Hills, it's just lambs everywhere. Went to Tasmania last week for a business trip. We went from Launcest and to Hobart, drove. Lambs, every cute little lambs, you know? I had lamb shanks for dinner that night. And I didn't even think about it, you know? But they're living their utmost best life. They've gone around eating the grass and like their whole life is just doing that. Yeah. In the wild, maybe, who knows? Especially with cows and things like that. I'm obviously justifying being a meat eater. But I see, and I try to eat the cow, the beef, the lamb, the pork from the places as organically as possible. Like grass, yeah, organic, all of that. And the fast food stuff, no more. I used to run the Red Rooster channel back when I was learning how to be a marketer. And now I'm like, ah, damn, you know? We learned though. And maybe one day people go, but you did that, but you did that. Yeah, keyword, did. Yeah. I've made amends now. It's hard, right? Like I was through the Royals burger. I was attacked by vegans. Of course. And like part of me is like, yeah, they're not wrong. But at the same time, how many problems can I solve as one individual on this earth? Yes, I will try to be more ethical. But Greyhound Racing serves no purpose to society, whatsoever, apart from filling pockets of politicians and Greyhound races, et cetera. So as much as, yes, we feel guilty for those things. And I do reduce my meat consumption quite significantly. And like you don't eat fast foods nearly as much. But I just don't understand why Greyhound Racing still exists because like I said, it serves no purpose whatsoever. And these dogs are just treated like trash and they don't have the same rights as any other dogs. And it just does not make sense to me. What does it make sense to me at the moment is talk about the woke culture. Yeah. Gen Z specific woke culture. They're complaining about things that are sometimes not even in this country and they're bringing it here. Yeah. And I'm thinking, can we shift their mindset to complain about something more relevant, like the Greyhound Racing? Yeah. Get the animal activists and I say animal activists, like the ones that are doing it peacefully. So then help them align themselves to that because their energy in that would be much more effective. Yeah, 100%. Because people feel awkward, again, not going into details but you say the wrong word or the pronouns and all that shit and people get so offended. What about talking about Greyhound Racing? I'm offended if you say that. Why don't you, wasn't that become a thing? If I'm in a party and I get, I've actually had this happen once. I was at this guy's business birthday and one guy I was talking to, a nice dude, he was telling me he's a professional gambler. Like he'd make a living out of it. And then he started talking about how he bets on the Greyhounds. I literally just wanted to walk away then and there. But he was young and as you're young, you're naive just as I was. But it's like stopping the conversation of making that a good thing. It's like, oh, you're making money out of it. Good for you. Oh, why don't you just play poker and make money from someone else? You know, versing that. And it's all consensual. Yeah, it's all consensual. So I really want to see what we can do there because reality is it'll unfortunately probably take a generation to do this because if we can get a whole generation to stop betting, the whole industry's done. So, you know, and there's no real advertising of Greyhound racing as like a come to the track or, you know, we have the Melbourne Cup, but that's horses. That's another story. I've been asked to MC an event this year and I just told him to get fucked. I'm not for it. I had a conversation with someone on Instagram about how, you know, I mentioned stop betting on animals. They said, I agree on the Greyhounds, but I don't agree on the horses. We train horses. They're treated like royalty. Of course there are. They make money until they don't. Exactly. Then what happens? And then they're trying to justify it through what they're doing. I'm like, yeah, sure, you can do it the best way possible, but I'm talking about everybody else. That's, you know, putting steroids in and overtraining and malnourishing and not caring about them in the off season because they can just get another horse. Yeah. It's the same with Greyhounds, so. But also you look at the, you look at the, I'm going to try and say this in the most politically correct way. I cares. You're retired. Yeah, true. You're having a kid who cares. But you look at the demographics of people that train horses. There's a lot more money that's needed to do that. And then you look at the people that are training dogs. It's very different. Oh yeah. So. Have you seen the drone footage recently in South Australia and Tassie? You know, my dog is from there. Yeah. Goose was on one of those properties and that really hit close to home because I was like, okay, like obviously I'm very passionate about it, but it almost like it made me cry to think, you know, my dog lived in that and now he's living with me and he's living his best life and he's amazing. But he went through that and he could have easily not survived that. It's horrific. And then they say, oh, it's just one bad apple. Okay, cool. One week later, same thing, drone footage of a different state. It's not. Is the time now when we need to push it? Absolutely. Because then people start to realise, oh wow, I didn't realise that's happening. Yeah. Whoever that drone pilot is, absolute hero, you know? 100%. You know? And like, you see the people, the trainers, every time I see someone on the news or like getting into the doghouse, better use of words, I go straight to like stalking their name and stuff. I'm like pitchforking. I don't do that ever. Yeah. And now I'm like, now I'm like, like try to find them on LinkedIn or something. And when my stalking game's on, I can stalk some people. Like I had someone try to cancel me a few years ago. I figured out who they were, where they lived, their address, their phone number, their business. I even discovered their dog's name. This is like some Liam Neeson special skills. Went through some rabbit hole shit. Yeah. They were in their very early 20s and the reason why they were trying to cancel me was because I was playing around with different accents in my videos and they were labeling me as a racist. Oh, come on. And I had a very close call with almost pulling the metaphorical trigger and about to like go ham on every bit of their shit. And fortunately Sabine was like, my wife's just like, yeah, don't, yeah, true. So I left it. But sorry for the interruption, but this show would not be possible without the help of Bright Tang Brewery. They are the major sponsor of the Sevo show. Huge shout outs to them. Check them out. Great beers. Great people. Great everything. And well, let's get back to the episode. But, oh man. And like, yeah, there's activists, animal activists that go to those properties in front of the properties without trespassing or whatever. I'll go outside the courthouse where they, when they're getting prosecuted and shunned. But there needs to be more done. Like if we go in front of the Greyhound tracks, for example, out the front and just, just completely like, where's the one here that's like a death trap? It's like Northern, Northern one. There's one in Mandra. There's a few others. It's like, be a pest. Yeah. And make it, make it difficult. It's, it's a habit thing, right? It's not just being, hey, you can't do this. You can't just be a pest and, and go out. Like I've got so many ideas because of the content stuff. I'm very creative. So, but I also still have my life to live. And it's just also kind of going, okay, every now and then I'm going to share this. I'm going to talk about this. Yeah. Because it takes a whole bunch of relevant people to just change the world. If you can get two people that have done nothing but shock value on the internet to sell a shitty, over-energized drink to kids, they can do something better and get a whole industry shut down, which is more like the legacy is much better. Would you, would you prefer to be remembered as the one that saved a whole, you know, group of like a species? There's like, you know, dog breed or sell energy drinks to kids. Yeah. Right? Well, we live in. I know. And that's something that I've sort of reminded myself throughout my career, because it's so easy to just like, forget what you're doing, what you're doing for. And my motto has always been, leave whatever you're doing. So for me, sport leave Muay Thai better than I found it. And one of the ways of doing that is obviously supporting Greyhound Racing and putting the awareness out because I've got a group of people that follow me through through fighting that I also have their eyes open to. Most of them would have their eyes open to this, what's happening in the Greyhound industry. And heaps of people message me saying, oh, I just didn't even know any of that was happening. Thank you for sharing it. So even just a small act, small act of sharing a couple of posts on your Instagram. If you've got a following, I've got a fairly small following. If you've got a bigger following, that goes such a long way because education is where it starts. And awareness is where it starts. And you've got to be consistent too because people scroll the internet for the quick humor, quick dopamine hit. When they see something like this, if you bring it in with enough shock value, and this is where documentaries are like, they do it really well, people start talking about it more, and there's an outrage. And from that 20, 30, 40,000 signatures, if we 10X it, oof, we're on. And you can't ignore that. We're on. You just cannot ignore that. Yeah. But for some reason, the politicians with their pockets being lined, yeah, it just ends up being political again. So I think that route is still going to be going down. You just got to be a pest there. But I think there's an alternative route and that is the awareness of the next generation's going, don't do this, this is not cool. Yeah. I have an idea where I want to make a series on TikTok where I'm going to talk about being an NPC. You know, NPC is non-playable characters. Oh yeah, in video games. Yeah, yeah. But in real life, non-playable characters. When I'm doing my thing out in the street doing my interviews and stuff, people are completely detached from the world. Yeah. They're just walking around. And then when you're like approached and they're just like, freak out that, oh, no, no, no, no, no. They don't, they have that social anxiety. And that's built from being online all the time. But I noticed that the tourists or the ethnics that come to Australia, almost every one of them that I interact with on the street, they all say, yeah, let's chat, let's have a go, you know? Because they've taken the risk, they've taken the leap to come to a different place, to explore it. But the ones that are here, they're like, oh, no, no, they're in that bubble. Dissociated from the world. Yeah, exactly. Like British people, best people. They just love it. They get amongst the Kiwis. Absolutely get amongst it. All my best content has been with Kiwis in it. So I'm just like, right, let's go somewhere where there's lots of Kiwis. Oh, the NRL's on. I'm off. But we need to get them and just start doing, get people that want to talk about things and ask them the questions. So I think that's my personal pivot. And it's a personal pivot that's gonna become a challenge. And I'm like in the middle of it right now, because brand deals, collaborations, they don't wanna see that real authenticity. They wanna see that clown, that circus performer. And that's where like having lots of followers, if you're not, if you don't have a plan to have like an authentic legacy behind you, you're just another walking billboard, you know? Exactly. That can be sold into by to selling off, you know, supplements that are gonna make you skinny or, well, I've certainly been approached for a lot of those things. I'm like, now I'm not interested. It doesn't align with me. I don't, I wouldn't, if I wouldn't do it myself, I wouldn't buy it myself. I'm not interested. Yeah. My favorite, my favorite hack is when I do get a big opportunity with a specific brand is to product place something like this within the campaign. Yeah. Whether it's in the actual videos, which is always fun to do. Yeah. Because the agencies and the brands miss it. And they go, yeah, approved, and then bang. And you see it. Yeah. Or in between videos, I put up like a podcast or like a video of me talking about a much more meaningful topic. Yeah. So while the iron's hot, everyone's like binge watching my stuff. There's that one video. Yeah. And that's kind of my play at the moment. But yeah, when the world is on your, well, like watching you, if you're not consistent with what they want, they go, oh, what's this? And that's like a big problem as well. Yeah. Because a lot of creators go through that. I was in Melbourne a few weeks ago, met up with Gary Vee. Oh yeah, that's cool. Yeah. I met, asked him the question. I was like, you're a creator. You're doing the same thing. You're doing the one thing. And you loved for it. And you love it yourself. Great, great combination. But then you want to pivot. You want to do something else that's even more meaningful. But you start doing it and everyone's going, and then I go back to that. What do you do? Like, how do you juggle that? Especially if you've monetized, especially if that's your job. Yeah. That is the same as someone being working in an office, not wanting to do it anymore. They want to do something else, but the money is safe in this. Creators are about to go through that big time. They go on Love Island or MAFs or some shit show. They get their blue tick and then they get their, you know, star power for a couple of years, get invited to all this shit. But then they go back to the nine to five because they're not real, you know? And I'm like trying to avoid that completely. And I get these messages on Instagram and stuff saying, thank you for educating without all the bullshit. I'm like, yes. Now I just need to make that like big so that any time I drop a video that's educational, they go, oh, I've said, if Sev said that, great. And then I'm just going to make sure I get you involved as well because you literally kick my ass. If you see I'm not being real, come at me. I want that, you know? Accountability. There's no accountability. No accountability in all these Greyhound things. I had a brainstorm last week about this because I wanted to make like a doco for it, a mini doco with Free the Hounds. That would be amazing. This would definitely be clipped. So another thing. And there's so many people to interview. There's trainers, track owners, politicians, Greyhound lovers, animal activists, and there's a whole bunch of others that I wrote down. And I'm excited, but I'm also like, or do I put my face in it or do I go from afar and then just help promote it? Me saying this on the podcast, that people will be able to connect to it, but it's a purpose, you know? I'm ready for that purpose. Now for your purpose. And this is my segue now because I want to give you the mic back. And you're having your first child next year. Yep. Congratulations. Where do you see you pivoting after that besides the obvious motherhood? Yeah. This has been something that I've been thinking about over the last couple of months, obviously without any urgency because there's a lot going on when you find out that you're pregnant. What was that like? It was exciting. A little bit scary, but I was excited and I didn't know that I was gonna respond like that. I thought I would be like, oh my God, I'm about to give up fighting overnight. But I just think I was ready. So it was easier for me. It was probably harder for my husband to come to the terms with it. He obviously is very happy, but as a woman you sort of feel your body changing so it's happening to you so it's easier for you to come to terms with it. Yeah. But to come back to your question as far as what's next for me, I'm not sure exactly what that looks like. I guess my priority is still the same. I still want to create a better sport for us and I still want to continue working with Free the Hounds to build awareness around what's happening in the industry. I've floated some ideas, commentating potentially, coaching maybe in a small capacity. There's just so many different things that I could possibly do, but it's still probably 12 to 24 months away and things can evolve over that time. So I think for me, just sort of staying close to the sport, I'm still training and just see how I evolve over that time because I just don't really want to force it because it comes back to me being authentic as well. I want it to come from a place of passion and not just wanting to stay relevant because I have no interest in staying relevant to be completely honest. I know fighters that I've seen fighters that love the limelight and love to be known and I'm just not one of those people, I would be happy to walk away from it completely apart from the training component, but I know that I still have a legacy in the sport in one way or another, but yeah, all I can say is watch this space. Yeah, just making sure that you enjoy what you do in the current moment. Exactly, yeah, and always stick by that rule of creating something better, not worse. Yeah, absolutely. So what advice would you have for people who want to help with, say, Free the Hounds? Start with that. I think just open your eyes to it. Yeah. And there's a lot of resources. The easiest read is probably Free the Hounds. So head to their website. I post a lot about it. You know, it's nothing huge. You don't have to adopt a greyhound like I have done. You don't need to volunteer. You don't need to give a lot of your time. It's just being aware of it. And also like making people around you aware of it. You've got a family. You've got a whole pool of people that you connect with regularly. Tell them, you know, do you bet on greyhound racing? Why? Did you know X, Y and Z? And then that spreads really fast. So honestly, that's the best way that you can contribute to stopping greyhound racing. Yeah. Because the more of that boycott it, the less reason that there is to have an industry. So that's honestly the best thing. And if you want to continue going down the path of, of, you know, volunteering or even donating, there's plenty of places that you can do that. Yeah. But if you are thinking about getting a dog, I do encourage adoption. If it's a greyhound, you know, that's awesome. But I always say adopt because there are so many dogs out there that need a home. Correct. And we don't need any more homeless dogs in this world. Yeah, yeah. Trying to figure out what's worse, vaping or betting on the greyhound racing. Pretty close. At least you're only harming yourself when you're vaping and maybe it's a natural selection. Yeah. They probably both do the same. Probably fit the same demographic to be honest. Yeah. I mean, I've, there's so many bad habits out there that I've been sucked into when I was younger. Yeah. I never, it's smoking. I have a cigar every couple of, every now and then it's like a gentleman's thing. But I also, I recently did it and I'm like, my head is very light right now. I really should not do this anymore. Too old for this shit. Maybe it's a taste palette. Maybe you're like, cause Arnold Schwarzenegger does it the coolest. Oh, he's just too cool. But when I was younger, obviously, like getting a multi and, you know, it's betting and betting and betting and just like, oh, wow. And it just makes it so easily and accessible to kids as well. Like, as soon as you turn 18, you're a download the app, put your bank details in, away you go. Yeah, they've got all the warnings and stuff, but they have, that's black and white. All the colourful stuff, the blue, the gold, the red, you know, lad, lad this and all this shit. And there's so many different agencies and they ban you after you start winning. So it's just like. It's designed to bet. It's designed against those that bet. It's natural selection for your money. If you don't know how to save the money or invest the money, then you may as well lose the money. Here is the best option for you right now as soon as you're able to. So this video the other day, this kid, he came out of, I don't know if it was court or something or a rehabilitation centre. We talked about his entire journey, he's 25. And he was just like, yeah, gambling addicts, just on the bet, put all his salary in that. And soon as he got his first check, he was just like, man. You know? But that's the thing like, like obviously becoming a parent myself, like I feel like such a responsibility to make sure that my child is, you know, brought up in an environment where they don't feel like they need to do those sorts of things. You know, like, I'm glad you actually brought it up because I just remembered, you know, one of the issues that we're dealing with Greyhound Racing is it's considered family friendly. It's marketed as family friendly. Where do they market this? I have no idea. I've never seen an actual ad for it. I think probably because we're not visiting places, we're not frequenting places that would advertise that sort of thing. But, you know, imagine taking a kid to Greyhound Racing and they start that from such a young age. You know, you see the gamblers and they're jumping up and down and it seems like such a fun thing to do and you don't actually see the other stuff that are losing money parts. So these kids think, oh, I can get rich of just betting on dogs. And then that starts that vicious cycle of them going to the TAB, starting to drink alcohol because when you go into the TAB or if you watch things that are associated around that, alcohol is very heavily involved. And it just builds these bad habits that, you know, it's not good for humans. It's not good for people. Yeah, absolutely. Yeah. I mean, I'm sorry to cut you off, but even just like, you know, I watched the UFC and I watched all those bigger organizations and they're advertising Bud Light on one part of the cage. Corona on one part. It's like, maybe if you advertise something healthy, like it would be so much more beneficial to the people that are viewing this. It's just, and it just makes the sport seem like such a blood sport. I'm just like, sometimes I look at it. I'm just like, it's such a beautiful sport. You know, these people are like elite athletes. They don't have that shit themselves. No way. Even just the prime, like this guy's released prime and you see these fighters empty the bottle and will put their own hydrolytes and drinks in there and a drink out of these drinks. And these kids are looking at these prime athletes that are shredded and just that, you know, at their peak and they think, oh, they're drinking prime. I'm gonna do the same thing. Was it Ronaldo or Messi that did something recently? They were getting interviewed and then they removed the Coke bottle out of the frame and they go, I love that. I love that. That's where the real G's come out and speak up or make a difference or make an impact even if it's gonna be financially detrimental to them. I mean, honestly, you don't need more than 30, $40,000 a year to live off of if you do it properly. You escape the rat race if you're able to invest well early or invest well from your successes and not be greedy. You don't need 40 houses. You don't need more than two houses. Two houses, one to live in, one to, you know, as a holiday home. And that is, you're already better off than most people in the world. But yeah, I don't understand the greed and the gluttony that people have to want more. You know, you have a whole property in Tasmania but you decide to fucking breed greyhounds so that they can be exported to China or something. And, you know, there's no morals in that. No, absolutely none. And it just, I just, I just will never understand it. And then, yeah, that vicious cycle. Going back to the whole MPC thing, I wanna label that vicious cycle as an MPC thing. And this is my content idea where we pretty much say, oh, so you're going to the TAB or you're going to the track and you're betting. That's very MPC of you, you know. And that, like, most of these, like the prime guys and whoever else, they got their audience through shock value. Some of them got cancelled. Some of them got cancelled. And then they managed to even build the audience further. That vicious cycle promotes more younger kids wanting to be like them. I saw a video the other day when they shit on it completely, the drink, when there was a kid, like a, she looked like a five, six-year-old. She's like, I wanna drink more prime. Why can't I drink prime? Because it's got too energy. What is it? Red Bull cans in it? Yeah, that's not good for you. There's warnings, but there's also colourful labels. And it's like, where do you draw the line in your integrity? I don't see integrity in this world. No, and it's, yeah, it happens a lot. And people get taken advantage of a lot as well. They don't make a lot of money, and then they have to promote these things to make more money. And a lot of the time, it isn't just greed, it's just trying to make ends meet, unfortunately. Well, that's what they got sucked into doing, back to my previous point when I was saying that I grew my following from being a clown, right? And not like an over-the-top clown, but just like my ideas in my head that I genuinely had. But then I'm like, long-term value. My audience is growing. They're all jumping into jobs. They're all making these life-changing decisions. They don't have anyone to look up to apart from those clowns. And when I shift sometimes, and this is something I'm working on, when I shift to more educational, I get those same people that have followed me forever commenting going, you've fallen off. I'm like, what do you mean fallen off? I'm good. What about you? Are you saying that I am no longer hitting your dopamine levels, and I'm actually telling you something that you really need to do, and that upsets you so you're going to feel threatened, so you're going to go on the defense and try to bully me online? That's a problem. For them. For them. For me, I'm like, I haven't fallen off. I'm barely getting started. I haven't even got up yet properly. And then like Jordan Peterson, for example, I read an article yesterday that they're ordering him to do like a social media sensitivity thing where he has to be aware of how to be more sensitive or not. What the fuck? Unfollow. If it fans you, then unfollow. Yeah. I mean, he's spreading some pretty good content. I wouldn't ever say he's not. I mean, come on, if you're going to attack someone like him, why can't you attack someone like the Greyhound racing industry? Exactly. Like, why are we cancelling these people that are doing something different? We should be cancelling the ones that are actually making this world worse. Yeah. Like, I just don't understand it. You can go get drunk and have it on the weekend and that's okay, but if someone speaks the truth, it's not okay. Exactly. And there's not enough people that speak the truth that have that kind of financial freedom. Dave Chappelle calls it fuck you money. Yes, I love Dave Chappelle. Yeah, and he fucking speaks out. Yeah. He doesn't care. He got apparently cancelled. He's back. He's back, baby. And I think we're about to bring in that new age of those people that push through. And I'm so stoked to be part of it. It's just I have that kind of invisible shackle where I'm like, oh, just need that financial freedom, right? But then I'm like, how do I get that financial freedom without, you know, selling my soul? Yeah. The other thing I wanted to ask you about, what are your thoughts about, you know, all these distractions are in society. Obviously there's gambling. There's sports. And I'm talking about sports as in following a sport because you vicariously want to win through someone else. Yeah. You know, relaxing, unwinding and cheering for someone else and supporting them, much like you have fans, much like I have fans. But you need to moderate it. People go, oh, I've been on social media for an hour today. That's enough. But then they do something else. There's a complete waste of time. And then you have all these different things, like music releases, events, like someone's coming as a music artist coming, new launch of this place, new launch of this product. It's Christmas, right? Yes. Yeah. Now, individually, they're all fine things to be, you know, part of. But most people, this is my observation, most people go, oh, they have the whole thing. Yeah. But it's one whole distraction. Yeah. And they forget too better themselves. And they're the ones that will say, oh, things are so crazy at the moment. I can't do X, Y and Z because I've got this and this and this on. Yes. And like my husband always reminds me, he's like, you know, you inspired me because you had all these things on. You know, I lost my dad. All these other things happen throughout my career, you know, COVID, everything. But I still to stay on track. And he says, and I'm not trying to blow my own trumpet. I'm just sort of thinking about what he said to me recently. He's like, you kept going. And that allows me to keep going, even when things are hectic, I still go to the gym. I will still do the things that I need to do to be successful because I saw that you did it. You know, you've got up. You went for a run in the rain because you had to. You did all these things because you had to. And sometimes I get frustrated with other people. And it's none of my business. But I'm like, why are you making all these excuses for yourself? You've got so much more potential and you can do these things that you choose not to. I gave up all those things. And I'm not saying don't enjoy your life. You have to enjoy your life. But just give up some of that so that you can be happy and successful. There's other ways to do that, not just short-term happiness by going to a concert and getting absolutely smashed on the weekend. Short-term happiness. That's pretty much the key words for why people aren't succeeding overall. Short-term happiness. And they mask that with mindfulness. They mask that with being in the moment. I'm just taking a break. They mask that with yolo. Yeah. You know? And I think it's like, you need to go hard in your early 20s, like you did. Yeah. Good point. And then see where it's at. But people just don't have patience. People aren't lucky to find something that they really love and have a drive to focus on in their teens or their 20s. Yeah. They may feel like they get that in their 30s, sometimes even 40s. But then they go, well, I have a job. I have a mortgage. I have kids. I can't be doing something I'd rather do for the rest of my life because I don't have time. You don't have time to avoid regret in your 80s. Okay. It's too late by then, isn't it? Yeah. And then people have midlife crisis because they go, oh, what the fuck have I been doing for the last 20 years? This isn't fulfilling. I've got nothing to show for it, except for debt still for another 10, 15 years of a house in a neighborhood I don't really give a shit about. You know? It's something that came up a lot throughout my career, like people and not a lot of people. I had a very supportive network, but I would hear from people, like why are you so committed and you lack balance in your life? You're always in the gym and it would almost be like, why are you doing these things? It's ridiculous. You should be enjoying your 20s. Yeah. But it's like I had to go hard at that time because I was trying to achieve things that weren't normal. They weren't things that you could do any other day. And it's like, I'm doing this. It's making me happy and it's making me successful and at the end of it all, I'm going to be like, yeah, and I am now. I did everything that I wanted to do. Yeah. I went hard. Yes, I lacked balance, but I needed that at that time and I worked my ass off. Yeah. And didn't hurt anyone. And so why do I need balance in my life? I can do that later. Yeah. Inbalance at the start causes ultimate balance later on. Yeah. That's my belief. Yeah. And like if someone was to tell you now, you know, you could have done better with your 20s. I'm like, I would say in your shoes, do you have a world title? Do you ever think you ever achieve a world title? And now that should shut up. I love the hacks that I've come across over the last real recently, actually, these habit hacks. I read Atomic Habits recently. Yeah. And yeah, stuff I already knew, but just instill it in my head. I'm like, oh my God. Okay. We're on now. We are on now. And to reshare that online, because the easiest way to learn something is to teach it to someone else. Yeah. Just desperately telling my 20-year-old self, if you knew this, you would be here by now. But now I'm at 32. How old are you, by the way? I am 31. 31, right? Yeah. And early 30s, what is our 40-year-old self telling us now? I'm trying to tap into that 40-year-old self, going, all right, I need to kick these habits into place. And yeah, these habits, like just getting up at 4.30 in the morning and having everything lined up so that the previous night is the best thing, because then I go to the gym at 6.30. Then I come back, get my coffee. Sabine wakes up. She's already working, but walk the dogs, go to work, go to the studio. And by 10 o'clock, I've done all my stuff. Yeah. And then I can do the mindful stuff, like meetings and recording shit. And then by like 5, 6 p.m., I am stuffed. Yeah. Have dinner, walk the dogs and go to bed and actually pass out. Instead of going right into the night trying to do meaningless shit. Yeah. Oh, it's a game changer. And now I'm like, last night, my brother-in-law's birthday party in Fremantle, we got there like 9.30 and I was ready to pass out. Yeah. Because you've done so much. You've lived twice a day. Yeah. And like, I've always been bad at group scenarios, group like, when people are all talking at once and I'm like, I actually focus, try to focus in for one second. I was just like, what are they talking about? And I look back at my last 10 years. I've never been able to accomplish that. We would be playing footy and wind up Saturday night. We'd be sitting upstairs and the pizza's come out and a couple of drinks and everyone's waiting for awards and shit. And I'm just sitting there between everyone like, what are you guys talking about? I'd tune in but like, fantasy basketball. How's my mouldy going? Oh, it's gonna go out tonight. Chicks are on. And I'm just like, I'm fucked. I played my best, I possibly could today. And being a rockman, I was hitting someone a hundred times. The size like, a hundred times, the same size as me. You know exactly how that feels like. Yeah. So, are you coming out tonight? I'm like, no. No chance. No way. I need to sleep, recover, get up in the morning and go to rehab whilst everyone's still, you know, partying. And I'm sure that was, that's way more fulfilling than just doing random stuff. But back then, you get sucked into it, you know? You don't have that discipline. I want to ask you one more thing before we wrap it up. This is where I'm going with my rants. How important is discipline to success? If there was a list of one to ten, that would be number one. Yeah. Because motivation is fickle. Your motivation to win a world title one day might be 110%. And then the next day when you're tired and sore, it's about 10%. Anything I could just, I could just leave this because it's too hard. Your discipline to your routine, and that's probably the second thing, routine, is the most important thing. Because if you set out the start of the week, your intentions and this is what I'm going to do and you rely on motivation to get those things done, nine times out of ten they're not going to happen. So you've got to have discipline to be like, I feel absolutely up to here of like just tiredness and lack of motivation. Your discipline is going to get you there. And even if you don't have, even if you're not 100% yourself and you don't bring all your energy as long as you're showing up and you're doing that every single day, that's what matters. What about reflection of your routine and how you're going? Pretty important as well. Yeah, absolutely. Like throughout my career, over 10 years, I've had to reflect on how I've done things and that's, and it's changed. I mean, times have changed as well. So for example, my nutrition, I've had camps where in the early days where my nutrition was just like eat as little as possible so you can cut the most amount of weight. And I've had to look back on that count and be like, I felt like absolute rubbish. I wasn't at my peak. I didn't fight at my peak and I've had to look back and be like, okay, I'm actually going to employ nutritionists that's going to help me and I'm going to get someone to make my meals for me and that only came through reflection because I could have just done the same thing my entire career because it sort of worked. It got me far but it didn't get me to where I needed to go and that was the world title. So I had to reflect on what I had done well and what I had done bad. And even with your skills, like even just being in the ring, like you have to watch your fight back and it's so uncomfortable because you're like almost living the moment again and you're like, why didn't I do this? Why didn't I do that? And you have to like sit back, turn the music off, watch it and just write down. This is what I did bad. This is what I did well pat yourself on the back for that. Move on. Get better at that. So you're improving your internal systems of your routine. Absolutely. And if you consistently do that through discipline, there is no way you can't succeed eventually. Yep. You've got to will your way to success. Yeah. And we say this thing in Muay Thai and in martial arts, the 1% is what's going to make you a world champion because you've got 100, say you've got 100 people in the room and they're all training the same and they're all doing the same things every day in terms of their training. What's going to make that one person the absolute best out of these 100 people? It's your nutrition, your recovery. It's your skills. It's just like even just your mental health and how you talk to yourself. Those are the things that it really comes down to when you're at the absolute peak that are going to make you better than everyone else. Yep. 100%. Yeah, I love that. Can't add to that. Yeah. There's one other thing in terms of routine, your discipline, your consistency. What about quitting? Yeah, good question. When you're competing for 10 years, quitting will cross your mind sometimes daily and you're just like, I have a great job or I could just fight for dinner tonight and I just would prefer not to do this anymore and just quit. And to be honest, a few times in my career I was like, this is my last fight. I'm going to quit after this. And if I had done that, I would have retired a one-time Australian champion. But instead I kept going and I mean, my accomplishments speak for themselves but I wouldn't have done those things if I just quit. And you know, I probably could have lived a pretty happy life if I had quit at that stage but I definitely wouldn't have reached my potential and I probably would be 20 years down the track thinking, damn, why did I finish Muay Thai so soon? I had so much potential and I didn't use it and I didn't show the world what I was capable of and therefore showing them what they're capable of and then having that ripple effect. None of that would have happened if I quit. Yeah, it was the easier route. It would have been the easier route at the time but glad I didn't. What about quitting when you're... it's not for you. How do you know? It's a hard question for you because you probably have never lived that. But I'm talking about delusion. Yeah, and it's something that I've looked at throughout my career because you look at fighters that have done it all and that can't give it up and they should have given that up and I think that there is times where you should quit and I'm not saying like when you're halfway through your career there are times where some people should quit because it's not for them and I've seen people that have fought and it affects their mental health so badly that it actually doesn't make them a better person, it makes them a worse person and I think those are the ones that probably shouldn't do it. I mean that's for them to decide but I've seen it and I think like this is not for you. Maybe you should do something a little bit different because your potential could be lived better through something else but coming back to like fighters that have been doing it for 15, 20 years that have multiple world titles that can't give it up and you see them slowly deteriorate and it's like your legacy is being tainted and you should give it up now because you've done everything, you've shown the world how great you are and now you're undoing all of that so at that point I feel like you should quit and it's not saying quit on yourself it's quit on that one particular aspect of your life and go use those skills for something else. There is so much more to this life than like for me than fighting so much more. Like it did consume so much of my life and I loved that and it was amazing I had so many amazing experiences but the truth is and this is probably why it's easier for me to retire I realise that there is so much more in this world than just going into the gym, training fighting. Yeah there's a relation with that into other people's addictions I'm talking about gambling there is so much more than to walking into a vetting agency and putting your money down on dog racing. You grew up learning how to become a worker or an entrepreneur, businessman whatever and you start making that money but then you decide to blow it all on something meaningless not saying that fighting was meaningless obviously but then they go oh train my dog to become a champion racing dog. What about the other the previous ten that have failed you know and this is a completely not the best kind of parallel but stick with me people that gamble on these things they really miss out on a whole bigger potential of themselves you know investing that money into something that's almost a shoe in to help them with their financials down the track long term but their discipline wants that short term win but in reality they're delusional to the fact that they should have quit ages ago because they're only chasing their losses and they're hurting a whole you know bunch of dogs so the way that I've kind of gone back and forth with this is my initial idea of how they both relate in good ways and in the bad ways discipline in knowing what's right for you initially and then down the track I'm not intended at all is you got to keep that integrity for yourself and with Muay Thai with what you did with your career you did that because you wanted to do that for yourself and you achieved amazing things but there are people out there who can't achieve those things and they do something that is short term because they haven't found their thing and what I want to do is I want to help people find their thing so that they have no time to go to gamble on meaningless things and that's what you're doing you're pivoting into that role which is amazing and yeah that's my like final thoughts about it all thank you yeah I guess my final thoughts on all of this is just for everyone that's listening just look into greyhound racing and if you don't you don't have to go down this massive rabbit hole of scouring the internet head to my page look at some of the stuff that I've posted look at Free the Hounds and look at the simple facts of since 2015 1300 dogs have died on the tracks that's not to mention the dogs that have died behind the scenes that end up in these shallow graves look into that and educate yourself on that and then you can make a decision as to whether you want to support that and then you can make a decision on how you have a conversation around that topic but I mean it does seem like a small subject in the scheme of the entire world there are so many issues that need to be dealt with but this is one issue that's close to home and one that has zero purpose and just have a think about it I just urge you to look into it yourself and yeah thanks for listening thanks for listening all the details will be in the bio in the description whether it's on YouTube or in Spotify or iTunes we can find Victoria's page in there Free the Hounds stuff is in there as well and yeah please just give us five minutes of your time sign the petition re-share a post make a comment add to the engagement and help us out any other piece of advice that you'd love to give to the kids who want to kick someone's butt in the octagon or the ring do it do it well and leave the sport better than you and you started it love that thank you for your time as always good thanks