 We just saw the CNN Town Hall with Joe Biden where he said he wouldn't commit to Canceling more than ten thousand dollars worth of student debt I don't necessarily know that Democrats would be open overall to Medicare for all we know that Joe Biden wouldn't so my question for you is in times like this where We don't have people in power That want to push for policies that we desperately need especially Medicare for all during a pandemic How do we fight for those types of things like I know that organizing is Important but at the congressional level like how do you push? For these policies when you have a party that isn't technically the opposition party But they're in opposition to us. So how do you fight for that in these times? Now we got a kid I mean I wish I had a magic wand to make it happen Automatically, I would definitely do that. They're really Want the American people to know that there really is no excuse in a hegemon nation for us to be the only industrialized nation Not to push for Medicare for all for our people not just push Pass it. Just just just flat out pass. There really are no excuses for that. So for me I mean, I I don't have a magic wand to be able to do with this other than that pushing part Is really what we must do and we have to see the grassroots Bubbling up in this country and to continue to be outraged by the fact that especially as you just said in a pandemic That we the collective we whether they're Democrats Republicans However, this is not about their political leanings. It is about people literally Dying and or losing their livelihoods. I don't know what else it takes to move people to Medicare for all If this pandemic doesn't do it, we have to begin to question our Commitment as a nation. So we're saying one thing and I'm saying we Saying one thing politicians are saying one thing, but they're actually doing another You know during the celebration of MLK for example, Dr. Reverend Dr. Martin Luther King, Jr. You got all these people quoting him But they won't act in the same manner that he would act and that he encouraged all of us to act not in moments Like this especially we know that the Reverend Dr. Martin Luther King, Jr. Supported that he that he supported Healthcare he talked about of all the injustices, you know, all of the things that he has seen the injustice and healthcare was one of those He talked about militarism materialism and war all of these things combined and not just the Reverend Dr. Martin Luther King, Jr. There were other she rose and heroes that were fighting at all times against the status quo So what I would say Michael is that I don't want us to lose sight of why it is important to push and why the grassroots in this case is Even more important than who is in the Congress and in the White House because all of the great changes Social justice type changes that have ever happened in this country have come from everyday people Putting a little extra on their ordinary so they extraordinary things can happen That's one part of the other part of it is that taking that righteous indignation and that anger to the Ballot box at all times making a demand and making sure that there are consequences to those demands those things work in concert so electing progressives from all levels of government not just the Congress and then Making sure that there's a consequence for people not acting on the things that we Need that is how the change is gonna come There is no other way for that change to come But the bubbling up of the grassroots and having people in elected office who actually care more about the next generation Then they care about their next election. We got to do it. There's there's no other way that change happens