 I School boy football is People But with more football on the sportsmax zone send Andrew technical and to make a college renew with their rivalry But unlike previous seasons when they met in the manning cup showpiece the teams were left battling for the walker cup title this Brought last Friday and as we have grown to expect in finals between the two a penalty shootout was needed to Separate them after a 1-0 draw in regulation time It was in that shootout that controversy erupted Zinedine McLean's penalty was Brilliantly saved by the stats custodian Jaheem Williams as stats celebrated and prepared to take their next kick The fourth official Kessler Anderson spotted the ball moving as the kick was about to be taken now He brought this to the attention of the referee Tyrone Robinson who ordered a retake and it was Converted Kevin Hall then missed the next spot kick force and Andrew technical high school as JC Celebrated their fourth walker cup crown so did the officials Get that decision right should JC have been allowed to retake the penalty Let's go to the thoughts of former FIFA referee and referee instructor Peter Prendegast Prendy a man who has refereed in World Cup finals football before I heard you in local media commenting on this controversy Repeated for the viewers of the Sports Mag zone okay That the decision by the the Referring team was not correct So let's start right there Yeah, and it was not correct because at the moment the kick was being taken the actual Contact with the ball the ball had stopped Okay So it is our comment that the ball is stationary Now the defending team the goalkeeper did not commit an infringement That's one of the one of the reasons for a retake. Yes, if you left the line before the kick etc. That did not happen So all was on the kicker himself to place the ball Which he did twice once he tried to place it at the edge of the circle this stupid thing that he that they are doing and It rolled back he replaced it now it is on him To kick the ball when the ball is settled. It is on him He must have seen that there was some movement upon approach And if you see some movement and you're not comfortable then you wait then you take the kick So it's on the kicker at this moment. Okay The referee's position is the best position to make a decision There it is almost impossible for the fourth official from his angle to determine if the ball moved and how much and if it stopped the problem started when they pressure came from the Team bench it is the JC team bench that rushed towards the fourth official that started this whole story And it is unfortunate that the referee yielded to this erroneous information because the information is erroneous and Had a retake there's no provisions in the law To accommodate a retake here. You're saying that it was a legal kick Nothing was wrong with the kick. Absolutely. What's the fourth official in his right to do what he did like? Is that within his list of things to do? No, we on okay the protocol in this situation is that they've Assistant referee pay attention to the assistant referee leaving the line or not prior to the kick the referee's Responsibility is to look at both situations the kicker whether the kicker infringes or not The rule of the fourth official is to control the benches and to take notes Right now you the other team if you have credible Information to give to the referee then you can give the information where he is at that information cannot be credible Therefore should not have been accepted. It is outside of His direct responsibilities. The whole should have to be on fire for him to really get involved in that There was also a statement that let's just say it was a goal. Would that have been different? Absolutely if the goal of scored would it have been allowed would he have said, oh, no There's an infringement what infringement that the ball wasn't fully settled. I really don't get it. It's a very unfortunate thing to have occurred and As a football fan a fan of the game It was not a good moment for football Yeah, and outside of the point that you are making from the technical assessment of what happening Your heart has to go to the st. Andrew technical team who has known only defeat Against the Jamaica College in big finals like this. I mean that is not a part of what we're assessing But just just from the humanities standpoint You have to feel some sympathy for the st. Andrew technical team Without without without a doubt and I want to say this to the coaches and the Technical staff of these of the teams, right? They sometimes put the press the referees on the undue pressure Right Jamaica College a few years ago at Sabaina Park Right, and I'd never forget that situation because there was a big statement made by a very well-known person this island that the referees is Incompetent it was on the front page of the cleaner and the referee was Absolutely correct, and he never apologized and he was one of the persons again yesterday Jumping on to the referee's decision and referee was correct, you know in in not in the first instance Was about to was not allowing the goal to be retaken on the kick rather to be taken until the fourth official That involved based on the pressure From the same persons We have to do better than that What does it say though because I feel like too often now we're talking about bad calls and the thing is it's not only Costing a team it's costing the game You know We don't have enough referees in the island. We don't have enough support for referees in the island We don't have enough Money to to for proper training we have the referees doing four or five games a week because we don't have enough persons and To compound that with the pressure from the teams It's really not easy. It's hard to get persons to wanting to become involved with refereeing when All of this pressure, you know when it's not about your anatomy is that of your parents and you know You know all of these that goes on the abuse But the footballers don't understand that the game cannot be played without much officials We need to start to invest in refereeing Male and female alike refereeing don't care what is male or female We need to invest in the attracting referees more referees into the into the system Yeah, but we're about some good moments. Yeah, pretty. I want to ask you a quick a question here on the Something you just touched on, you know about the pressure that comes from, you know benches and I can extend it to fans as well because In your days as a referee there is documentation of Peter Prendegast having confrontation with fans and This is something global. I'm going out now because we're talking here about football in the schoolboy Season four Jamaica, but even at the highest levels of football we see in England the var Referees coming under a lot of pressure for making errors that The average fan looks on and can see it as an error, but somehow the officials got things things wrong Our referees trained as part of your training to resist and keep control in moments of heavy abuse from fans because Personally, I've said that in my office all the time that I would never be a referee because I I don't believe I Should stand doing my job and people hurling abuse at me that I think is Way over the top What is your take on how Football Should govern the behavior of fans and what is the limit? What is the limit that fans are allowed when we talk about abusing match officials? Okay, firstly, I want to say not enough is done on the psychological part of the of the game Yes, it relates to refereeing not not enough. We need to spend more time on this The lack of support from sometimes that the Federation and the the competition organizers Who just want to see the game play sometimes you see a modern water that ball cannot move And the guys in charge from the competition say no, I have to finish the game You have to finish the game and this is not just in Jamaica. This is at a high even at a higher level But there are times that I have to stand up and say this game Is not going to play Absolutely the referee is not going to take the responsibility For the safety of the player something going all right. Yes, okay, so As far as abuse is concerned when I couldn't take it anymore We made up big thing about it and we started to send players I mean, sorry spectators out of the stadium again once it is that it is a threat Towards a life It's not boy referral teeth are it we can deal with that but once it goes past the line to a threat Which happens? Yes. Once that happens. We set the referees. Hey, hold on a little bit Identify the person if I can't get it corrected get that man out of the stadium or don't matter Which is my now woman get them out of the stadium and it's part of the responsibility that the referee has for the The game what's happening in and around anything that can impact the outcome of the game We need to be stronger with the coaches because the coaches their behavior often times Transcends to the pitch and the players At the end I didn't that stands as I'm at the end of the of the game with Clarenan College when they're lost Last week to claim your in the Champions Cup final It is my understanding that a player kicked on the referee during national stadium And threaten the referee about gunshot and elephant kind of thing, you know, it is in the report. It is in the report Let's see what will happen Let's see what will happen kicking the door of the referee team And I haven't heard a peep about it What's going on? This is oftentimes a problem and I have to say almost every schoolboy finals We have this problem of crowd invasion. So why it keeps happening. It's rocket science. I like that It's not rocket science. We just don't pay enough attention to these things in that same stats game The referees were confronted by the coaches of the coaches for quite a bit a while Before any security presence was there to form a barrier separation between the persons and the match officials Crazy stuff. But when Peter Prenegas talk boy love talking a re re re re re if I weren't charged These things would not happen like we did at Sabaina part that time the game was held up for 45 minutes We're not starting until these basic things are in place Until then we can play I notice a major lack of respect for referees. It's impossible This went on for a long time pointing in the referees face straightening the referee for a long time Where is this a security person who was in charge of the security details to know that as soon as there's a problem intercept right and and if you know I Am I don't care where it is, you know you check YouTube Panama Mexico 2015 gold cup and you will see who flying out there on the pitch to save a referee from Panama team attacking him you look and see who it is So I personally don't care where it is. I am going to defend my up much official So vex vex and this not where I'm again as long as I am around and I am here It's not going to happen again because we're going to make sure that the basic things are done What we have to do the referee training when we need support we need support we need support and I begin We need support and the coaches need to understand and the technical staff if you continue to try to abuse much officials Who were free again? That's some point to win to stop So decide whether you want the football to work and work with us Would up on a total store spot. Oh, no, let's work take all together because it's football Just like I have said You don't ask me about the JVF election because I volunteered the information referees should not vote In a presidential election. Yes, that's my take because it doesn't matter who is there You will have to serve that administration. Yes Vote on policies and that's why I don't want to give my organization The accreditation is required because I don't know what I'm not going to get a vote from me Right, so let me try all friend kind of Chiquini business. That's another story. But this is my view So which which referee platform is given the vote? They're none And the one who has everything is in place is not being given Because them because I said referees must vote in a presidential election. That is my honest opinion Yes You know what I want to I want to say that Referee is a tough job, you know, and I often hear referees being abused and so on and for the most part You know, I don't think referees go there to do a bad job and referees are only human So errors can be made which is why var was brought in and I'm not sure How close Caribbean football in our domestic leagues can can get to having a var Instituted in our football because our football in the Caribbean is Underdeveloped in almost every way. So I'm not sure if var will be coming our way any ways anytime soon Would would you like to see var in domestic football in the Caribbean? I'm not a fan of you are not a VR No, I'm not a fan of VR. Why not right because the game has these are some of the things that makes the game what it is players miss goals Great saves all of that is involved Errors by the referee his part of the game. Trust me. That's what you talk about in the bars after the game, however With the advent of VR, we have to work with a VR. Yes, right. We are also are not via our Human beings looking at images. Yes, I'm making a determination and we have seen errors by humans So we're getting away from the getting away from the human face and going electronic What is it is people the same humans have to deal with the electronics and we still have any problem. So what is next I? Don't know I use our AV. What's that referees always viewing That's why we work so much on angles and love you proximity for control work on the back The basic things that will get the best possible decision being in the right place at the right time So we work hard at that to avoid VAR, which is video assistant Referee you've turned it the other way. Definitely and it is working But we need more help. We need more training referees top-class referees cannot refereeing refereeing four games a week When do they train and rest exactly because there's a lot of pressure There's a lot of pressure. So we have a we have a we have a problem with it with the concentration Right the mentally are tied and they work. They're not professionals. They have to go to work. Yes So come on. We're human beings not machines. Yeah, you know not not machines not like it's beautiful place Look at it. I didn't realize that I was in Jamaica, but that was in some Congratulations That's why we're the home of champions. No, I totally agree Peter friend of God's former FIFA referee and currently FIFA referee instructor Breaking down what happened in the schoolboy Walker cup final on Friday between Jamaica College and St. Andrew technical controversial penalty retaken and Jamaica College benefiting from that and going on to win the Walker cup for a fourth time Friendly, thanks for joining us here on the sports max on you've been on many times by a zoom But we are happy to have you in the studio live Thanks again, sir pleasure and we'll be back with more on the sports max on after this