 don't know why but whenever I go live I get the Bruce Springsteen song going down stuck in my head I don't know why I just don't know all right so I'm gonna do a little bit of editors desking editors desk if you don't already know maybe you even already get it is a little feature that I do for the patrons every week where I answer questions Raymond good to see you mahalo or mahalo that's a Hawaiian Salamat for joining us anyway editors desk is is me answering questions or talking about updating on on the behind the scenes of the show why we do things the way we do and all that sort of thing I'm gonna I'm gonna blaze through a bunch of these so all right here we go so many great questions thank you everyone for sending your amazing questions we got really good stuff feedback at dailytechnewsshow.com I'm gonna get through a bunch of them this time I don't know if we'll get there all of them so if you don't hear yours answered hang in there but Reagan says this is the thing I've been thinking about for a while but wasn't really sure the best way to ask it so here we go how much do the patreon quarterly rewards cost you as a creator I've opted into receiving them because I like the stickers and postcards but when I whenever I get a bigger item like t-shirt I've often wished that whatever that cost would go to you as a creator instead of the merch that I don't really need yes the the theory with the merch is that the cost of it is worth it because the effect of sending it keeps enough people in general so not not don't think of yourself specifically or what you would do but in general enough people say well I don't want to cancel because I like getting the fun postcards and stickers and stuff like that so that that's supposed to work out I overdid it this year and I gave I assigned merch too low for the cost and it really it really really hurt I had an impact the idea would have been that like well if I to correct my mistake we had the ad revenue to rely on but the ad revenue was a little bit more than I thought it would be so yeah I wish there was a way for you to have a little more control over what stuff you get I just have to assign it and that's the way it goes and I don't like to give four stickers in a year because a lot of people get tired of stickers so I want to vary it I also like to sit to think like hey if you've stayed a patron for nine months you deserve a t-shirt versus just sticker so that's kind of the theory on that but this is good this is good feedback and it'll it'll shape how I set up the merch to run next year because you have to change it every year thank you for that question Kyle said I've noticed that you are asking for certain types of positive only feedback from listeners to be read on the main DTS show for example thirty five hundred dollars sneaker shaped PC foldable laptops etc why are you doing this while I understand that neutral or passive aggressive comments don't make for entertaining content your request sounds like a sportscaster asking fans to run naked across the sports ball field it's coming across a little over the top Kyle I was with you till the sportscaster analogy I I don't see saying tell me why you would use a foldable laptop to be equivalent to asking someone to run naked across football field you lost me there Kyle I'm just gonna go to but I do understand the question it's not that I want positive only feedback you described it as positive only feedback and it's it's not that I don't want people to send me I like this emails what I've noticed over the years in chat in email in all manners of feedback if there's something new like foldables or the sneaker shaped PC the knee jerk response of the majority of people is going to be I hate that it's dumb I don't like it I don't want it so what I'm saying and I'll try to refine what I say so that doesn't hit you the way it's been hitting you Kyle but what I'm trying to say is please send me whatever feedback you want I'm not telling you what to send if you send me the feedback that I'm expecting I hate it I don't want it it's not fun I don't like it I will read it I will acknowledge it I might even write you back but I'm not gonna read it on the show because that's obvious that's the obvious feedback that's that's feedback that if I read it on the show everyone would be like well yeah it's it's what everyone expects so I want the unexpected feedback and maybe that's a better way to say it which is you know I expect everyone to say they don't like it but if you have another response you're more likely to get read on the show so I'm not soliciting positive only feedback I want unusual feedback I don't want the same old same old that I'm like when I get the email I'm like well yeah that's that's what I expected that that's that's what everyone said and so I I will try to rephrase that Kyle so it doesn't certainly so it doesn't sound like I'm asking people to run naked across the sports ball field but but so it doesn't sound like I'm saying I don't want your I only want you to say positive things because it's not exactly that it's just I know everyone's knee jerk responses generally I don't like things so I'm I'm not gonna be I'm not learning anything from that I guess is what I'm saying I want responses where we can all go that's interesting I wouldn't have thought of that so I'll try to put it that way thank you for that response Josh says hi Tom I wanted to ask how tech sites find folks who blend well together for example Molly Wooden you were such a fantastic pairing that I'm sure wasn't planned or any of the other journalists or reporters who work well together case in point the verge has a set of excellent reporters and somehow all of them have that exact amount of snark and editorialization that gives them unique brand is this a conscious effort or does it happen organically the reason I ask is it matters more in the reporting space than other industries given each site or newspaper has its own flavor slash theme what an interesting question Josh speaking of unexpected and interesting questions that allow us to learn more from and a great one. Molly and I were such a fantastic pairing I would argue Josh we are a fantastic pairing because you can still listen to us together on it's a thing and in fact last week we added a little segment to it's a thing called buzz out loud where we just talked about something buzzy in that case it was net neutrality but yeah so the pairing with Molly and I specifically this doesn't answer your broader question that was discovered and planned our producer Mark Larkin noticed that we in meetings we just riff on each other you know and we had a good sense of humor and a good chemistry and so he said hey what if you know we've been talking about making a podcast at CNET what if the podcast is you two doing this we were we were I think if I remember right in the meeting we were riffing off each other on something he's like let's do that on the show so in that sense it was organic in the sense that we weren't planning to do a podcast together when we were riffing we were just having fun but it was planned in the sense that Mark recognized that and said hey let's use that and make a show out of it I imagine it's probably a combination of both all the time at the verge I can't specifically comment on their culture because I don't work there but my guess is there is a certain type of person attracted to working at the verge you read the verges articles you like their style you like the way they report and you are likely to be like gosh I'd love to work at the verge vice versa there is the idea that the verge is more likely to hire people that fit their style if you interview and you're like my gosh that's that's the kind of quirky perspective that we love here at the verge you're more likely to get hired so so there's a filter that kind of is not planned but sort of happens on its own and then internally when you're making a show I think a lot of things that are similar to what happened with me and Molly happened of like hey you guys really seem to have a good rapport or you try somebody on a show and you're like nah that didn't work out let's try somebody else until you get that good report I can't again I can't speak specifically to what actually happens there but that's the kind of thing in my experience that can happen so Josh I hope that answers your question now on a previous episode of editors desk somebody asked me about why I use Pat often as a generic person in examples and Marcus was among many people and too many people for me to remember and name right now who originally thought when I said Pat I was alluding to the Saturday night live character played by Julia Sweeney in the early 90s they were more making fun and awkwardly although intentionally awkwardly at the same reasoning and certainly I'm aware of that character and when I was trying to think of of names that apply that was an inspiration for that so you're not you're not entirely wrong I'm not thinking of that Pat from Saturday night live when I imagine my Pat but but yeah that that played a part in it alright now I might have to say save that one for next week let me do this one real quick Corey asks greetings DTS crew something that popped into my mind a few weeks back how do you Sarah and Roger survive is DTS a part-time thing and you have nighttime jobs to make end meets would you like fries with that I can understand you and Roger because you are married and have shared income but isn't Sarah single just something I've wondered about I understand if this is a personal thing but I bet I'm not the only person who's curious thanks for all you do hope you're not going hungry Corey thank you for for this yeah I don't want to speak too much about what other people on the team are doing because that's their story to tell but for the most part Sarah I will say the things that I know they have said publicly which is Sarah has other gigs she has another podcast she does with Heather Frank called have such a good day if you haven't checked it out I highly recommend checking it out it's a very entertaining podcast so she gets a little little from that because they have a Patreon and they have sponsors she also does freelance gigs producing because Tara has been a producer most of her life she was a producer before she was talent although at this point she's been talent most of her life too but talent slash host so she has some producing gigs that she does as well I believe Roger does this I don't know if his wife has any gigs honestly but but but this this is Roger's job and this is my job I I mean I say this is my job this is my job is majority daily tech news show that is where most of my money comes from that's where most of the money for my company comes from but there's also a little bit coming in from it's a thing some coming in from no a little more a word with Tom Merritt I make a little bit money in a separate company co-owned by Veronica Belmont and I that does sword and laser and I get paid by Brian Brushwood whose company makes cord killers so that's where I get paid it's not a lot it's not enough and so when my wife is working we rely on that right now it's a little tight I'm not going to lie but yeah that is how we that that's that's how this goes so yes it it is the majority income for all of all three of us said me Sarah and Roger and and there are there are some other things that we can do and do do in order to to get by thank you Corey all right I'm going to save James I'm going to call you out James great question that you sent in last Friday and it's it deserves a good focus to to for me to answer it so I'm going to save that one for next week don't let that keep you from sending me a question for next time feedback at Daily Tech news show dot com thank you all for supporting the show thank you for being a patron and I will talk to you next time Ryan I didn't want to answer that in the recording so I will answer it now I used to get a little bit from the book sales you know like maybe a couple thousand I get less than that now but I also haven't really focused on promoting them and I haven't put out a new one in a while so so that's that's not a large that's a very small part of my of my stuff um yeah but a good but a totally fair question as well all right now I am going to look back and see what else you said um plucky duck uh all right DT now I like that lord mullgar I like that emoji uh good dog so I need to post the editor's desk to the patreon I hope y'all don't mind if I do that while we chat here yeah book sales right now is less than one percent of my income DTNS shows DTNS editor's desk there it is there's the recording I will put the audio file all right it talks about percentage of DTNS income is of his a percentage what percentage DTNS is of his income uh what else did I talk about the is this the thing you do these shows and it's a weird amnesia so that's it I don't remember anything I just talked about uh I answered a question about the thing this is a pretty good question the pat clarification yes thank you that's a good one um oh uh the patreon merch and how podcast chemistry comes together thank you all right perfect Kim history okay next this goes to the associate producers uh-huh I don't have any collections editor's desk editor's desk bio cow I mean that was unintentional buy bio cow oh I didn't see this I didn't I didn't include these there were some funny responses on the patreon post itself all right there you go editor's desk is in the books yeah so I wanted to talk about no a little more DNS with you well bash brannigan my first computer was a ti-994a as well it's uh it's right there hey bill meeks what are you doing here just hanging out going to present my screen here we're going add it to the stage about dns and then I'm I'm gonna actually find the script come on I'm gonna put that over there too so who out there has listened to this episode of about dns um interesting thing about this and Justin and I plan to do a little behind the scenes so if you're a patron of no a little more you'll probably get more details that I'm gonna give right now but uh this was this is labeled a rewrite because I did a very technical episode about dns oh geez a couple years ago now yeah 2021 august of 2021 so two years ago uh and I was I thought it was uh ripe for an update so I pulled because it was it was older I was like okay we needed a couple of episodes this this season that weren't related to mother of all demos directly we we had six episodes that were going to be related to mother of all demos and then we had room to fill in with other stuff uh oh thank you for subscribing it's good to have you the unscroll welcome so I rewrote dns to try to fit it more into the current style now the dog and pony show is producing it because before it was very very straight read just me here's how dns works uh and I was like well let me let me get a give a little more historical perspective to it right uh to pull out a little more personal story and as I did that I found out that uh the person who was responsible for keeping the dns list by hand for decades Jake Feinler uh was an employee of Douglas Engelbart at the augmentation research center where Engelbart had developed the mother of all demos now it's not an overlap right it's not actually part of the mother of all demos he didn't demonstrate the dns or anything but after everyone left he did the mother of all demos is a big deal and then within a couple of years everybody had gone people sort of like well I guess we did that and they they took their knowledge and went elsewhere while while he was re you know finding new things to investigate uh is when he brought in Jake Feinler because they had asked him the folks doing the arpanet had asked him to help write a manual on how it worked so that everyone could refer to it and he got Jake Feinler who was working in another part of the Stanford uh the the Stanford department that that arc was in uh he got her to come over and and write that she was at the um I guess she was at the Palo Alto research or no she was she was at the Stanford research institute and so he got her to come over to his department uh and and help research because she was in the literature research part of sri uh so there was a nice little like it wasn't even planned I was going to do dns anyway but there was a nice little connection there and uh like I said Jake Feinler Feinler manually updated the file that said oh if you're looking for this domain name uh it's this uh address it's this IP address I want I hesitate to say IP address because I'm not sure it was always IP address in the earliest days but it was a network number of some some part and and sort of a map of of how to get to it so uh yeah oh thank you Trevor at THMP for your subscription I appreciate that anyway uh I found that fascinating uh and so I really enjoyed telling that story of who Jake Feinler is uh she is still alive uh 92 years old uh how she came to become the person who did that and uh and and how her work sort of kept the the home fires burning until it it became a more automated system that we know today and there's a little bit in here about you know how it actually works and and dns sec and security and all that sort of thing but uh but yeah I I really enjoyed I really enjoyed the serendipity of this uh of sitting down to be like well let me let me see if I can pull a more uh human story out of this to to kind of add it and give you a little additional information even if you heard the episode two years ago uh and and I found way more uh than that I could have hoped for there uh so yeah we are we are midway through season 10 of know a little more um the mother of all demos was of course the first episode hypertext mouse and word processing we're all uh referring back to the mother of all demos because those three things were all demonstrated but we talk a lot about how they came about before Engelbart got ahold of them or in mouse case he kind of invented it there were precursors but he made the modern mouse what I would what you would recognize as a mouse uh arguably he was the first to do that um and then we did the dns which is going to have a connection next week is a total departure risk five uh the the chips although there's an interesting backstory there it's not related to the mother of all demos directly it does have a couple of characters crossover but not an Engelbart connection then we're going to get back to the mother of all demos uh for October 19th October 26th uh we'll do video conferencing and collaborative editing um and then we got two more episodes that are a departure at the end uh tentatively I might do demo as in the idea of a demonstration like what how did demos come about that might be a little big to take on though uh so I'm also thinking about doing large language models or transformer transformative models something like that little basic introduction of like this is how they actually work that's also a big one but it's something I could fit into 15-20 minutes uh if you boil it down and then for the last episode I'm kind of planning on doing aloha net uh which is the precursor to ethernet and it's a nice setup it does not cross over with Engelbart but it does cross over with Xerox Park which is where all the people from Engelbart's uh lab not all the people but a lot of the people that worked on the inventions that he showed in the mother of all demos ended up at Xerox Park uh so yeah so I think we might we might end up doing that uh yeah way back I used to help with manually updating the router tables so Sierra Polo that's so cool uh that's amazing uh okay yeah Ryan go ahead it's always better to send an email so I can I can pass it along to to Justin and Amos but if you don't mind doing both I'm curious to hear it now and then I can and then if you could also send it by email or or I might remember or I might remember to pass it along uh anyway I think that's that's kind of everything I have there so if you just want to chat I'll stick around for a little bit longer um I am not on Daily Tech News Show today because I'm working on all this stuff that I'm talking about doing editor's desk and all of that uh but I'm I'm happy to still stick around and chat a little bit I've got a few other things I got to do like go to the grocery store prep cord killers did did Veronica post sword and laser yet nope so when once she does that then I got to promote that I have to do my Korean homework it's my last Korean class uh this Friday there was a mention to the audio clip that was edited out it was the only time the narrative seemed out of place otherwise I'm really enjoying the narrative edit yeah that's gonna happen um so there's the clean the people on Patreon wanted the clean edition so they get the clean edition which means you're gonna sometimes have me referring to a clip that won't be in there um because we're we're producing the show for the edited version uh and the narrative version that just goes into the the Patreon is is sort of behind the scenes bonus kind of kind of stuff yeah see our poll I imagine it was a major pain I mean when I said it was cool it's cool that you were there at that time I imagine it was definitely not cool to have to do uh I totally get that um Xerox Park employees were forced to sign NDA I mean I think a lot of research places uh require folks to sign NDAs even still I think that's that's not that uncommon I'm not I'm not surprised to hear that uh hey jackknife what's up I mean if you're gonna work on on secretive research then you're gonna you're gonna sign an NDA Raymond over on YouTube asks having been to Korea what did you notice the difference between the tech scene there versus in the U.S. I did talk about this a little bit previously just because there was a similar question but honestly I didn't notice much that was that different um I'm trying to think back now I was surprised how many iPhones there were I thought it would be much more Samsung dominant uh or or at least Android dominant and just uh you know off the cuff back of the envelope what I saw walking around uh I'd say it's about 50 percent uh Samsung 50 percent Apple and okay 48 percent Samsung 48 percent Apple because there were other other phones out there but um yeah thanks Ryan thanks for hanging out take care so that was the big thing uh internet much more ubiquitous um although it's getting pretty ubiquitous here too but you know wi-fi everywhere but you don't even need wi-fi everywhere because the 5g signal is so good speed is never even a question you're never you're never thinking like oh am I gonna get good enough speed at this hotel or at this cafe like it's just always great everywhere which which is interesting because Korean Air doesn't have internet on its transatlantic or trans-pacific flights which you may say uh like well yeah trans-pacific flights I don't have internet no Delta has really fast internet on its trans-pacific flights a lot of other uh airlines have have implemented an internet so granted I don't expect every airline to have implemented it still early in that in that technology but you would think with the internet being as good as it is in Korea that Korean Air would have been leading that charge rather than than lagging behind those are two things that jump off the top of my head um a lot of a lot of things work over kakaotalk and text message um so like you you know signing up there's a lot of of restaurants where you sign up and they will send you a text message to let you know when your table's ready and they really encourage you to scan your kakaotalk id in there so they can give you even more information I think because they want to get your information and be able to market stuff to you too but it worked without doing that um and the app ecosystem is entirely different uh google maps is okay but you want naver maps uh and naver is the dominant search engine it also is a music app and provides a lot of other things melon is the dominant music it's the Spotify there uh kakaotalk kakaotaxi uh you know though it's a lot a lot of the things that are in the rest of the world like uber and google exist they're just not as popular as as these domestic operations oh uh good question uh when you wrote and published your book did you take the traditional route or self-publish um sort of both I have mostly self-published my books so I've written I've published a good dozen uh books yeah I've got a bunch of them so these are all self-published these are all self-published books and these are just some of them um Len Peralta and I did that one together this is the first one I did um but pilot x pilot x and trigger I did with a company called ink shares uh so they are crowdfunded so you get people to pre-order enough books to make it worth it for them to publish it uh and then they publish it like a traditional publisher so even though getting your book published is different uh the the process after you know of editor editing and promotions and everything is more like a traditional publisher and those books show up in barns and nobles and borders and wh smiths and bookchains like that killbot 404 good to see you uh I watched a documentary about researchers and science working on stuff so secret they had to completely move to work on it yeah Manhattan project oh yeah it's called Oppenheimer yeah exactly uh yeah research NDA is fairly fairly common uh all right Bill Meeks has a copy at 10 state that's cool any opinion on the new patron are you still grandfathered in uh yeah uh most of the new patron we already had uh because we volunteered to beta test so the digital selling and the um uh the free trials and stuff we we had already done that we'd help them test that uh so it doesn't feel that new to me I haven't actually looked to see if my my uh the logo where's the patreon your patreon app on my phone yeah logo I mean what I'm glad is that the logo the new app logo doesn't look that much different color wise than the old one so I still know that that's patreon but the bean thing is a little little interesting oh yeah I had forgotten all about that Bill Meeks there's no forward on this one I think that was a is it an afterward then but you're right there's a gallery yes yes it's in the app it's an afterward there you go creating the 10 Bill Meeks how did I forget that the bleedingcool.com interview that's awesome thanks for reminding me of that morning ish song saying I always do that who which one of you are the one that always wants me to do a uh a shelf tour because I think I'll finish on that today shelf tour anyone anyone going once going twice because I've done this one and I did what was the other one I did did I do that one oh I did this one I did that one and this one there's a quick one so those two are covered in previous episodes um which shelf which shelf should I do what do you want next there's even two shelves that you can't see the hidden shelves but I can't really tour those because you can't see unless I just pulled everything up one's really not that interesting they're just full of books um if you don't have a request I'll pick one of my own oh yeah there's two there's shelves above too that you you can't see did those used to be in the shot I feel like these up here used to be in the shot maybe they don't maybe they maybe one day I'll I'll pull wide I'll uh I'll pull back the camera wide so you can see more or I could I could switch cameras and do the do the Mac so you can see them that way no preference no preference on the on the shelf tour then I'll go here this one a hidden shelf tour is going to be uh take some planning I'll get back to that one uh okay so I have a reprint of the green book which was referenced in a sorden laser uh book that we read I don't know why this is here the last ever small size tv guide from october 9th through the 16th 2005 with the cast of scrubs on the front replicating a 1976 mash cover I suppose scrubs was considered the air to mash let's see what was on thursday night prime time broadcast television uh the apprentice will in grace csi crime investigation night stalker without a trace survivor guatemala sex in the city was on broadcast tv friends oh that was that's an independent channel that's why friends and seinfeld should have known back in 2005 when they were popular in syndication this is a copy of the lives of a cell by lewis thomas which was given to me by my aunt ester in 1975 and she said it was one of her favorite books to read and it made her think and she thought I would enjoy it you know I always remember her writing a forward telling me that but it just says her name maybe she wrote it in a card or something uh okay so then steven hawking's grand design uh apollo 11 the nasham nasa mission reports cosmos by carlo sagan uh oh uh star wars the rise of skywalker exclusive poster giveaway oh no this is just a flyer for the giveaway at el capitan uh ultimate come back here ultimate guide to the cosmos by david dickinson i actually forgot this was here uh a surface rt hasn't been plugged in so the battery is dead but yeah chris mancini chris mancini's longer going far away volume one uh the adventures of mary shelly by bria grant and what are these these are calendars what is this oh this is the fakest stuff bill speaking of bill meeks yes this is the the fakest notebook and a note from bill boy bill's all over my stuff today uh these are previous this week in science calendars rich demiro's book 101 handy tips for the iphone probably all out of date now ah yes uh big gyms to love me or not global logistics haikus one of my favorite haiku books los angeles's hideous poems about an ugly city by andrew heaton another uh oh this is an ipad no no no it's not this is a a chrome tablet with a magnetic case a girly girly drinks by malario mera uh inappropriately human by andrew heaton uh greg venny koutz voyage of the dogs beyond the story the 10-year record of bts the complete lasara from japanese uh releases picture of soya the dog picture of me and eileen at christmas and picture of ray the dog all taken with eileen's little instamax instant camera uh we have her art she loves uh dog which i bought more than 10 years ago and has always been on the shelf behind me the box below it is what the box that came in this is from the alchemy of soul's immersive exhibit that we went to in korea if you saw on my instagram i had some pictures of us in this place with mirrors and photos of ourselves behind us this this unlocked things as you walked through i thought we'd have to give it back and they let us keep it my commodore 64 uh a photo picture of me and uh sugar of bts uh it really isn't him it was like one of those photo booth things uh these sunglasses were branded somehow and i don't remember i think they were came with an anime promotion or something it doesn't say on them anymore sunglasses uh very old copy of lady of the lake given to me by my friend cindy information doesn't want to be free by korey doctoro how to fix copyright by james patry and ah the out of bounds comedy festival in austin that i was a part of uh with the night attack guys brian brushwood and justin robert yeah and romany mountain was part of that i think that's everything there oh hidden oh there's jay won jay won and kaza ha from la sarah phim are hiding behind there this is uh what they gave us when they laid us all off from tech tv tech tv may 2004 it was the that's the the day at tech tv went off the air they gave us a cube oh yeah and uh little scott johnson art back here kind of fell down it's an alaya ayak to est uh poster so there you go that's that shelf a lot of books and discoveries things that i forgot were up there i need to clean this shelf to be honest all right folks uh that does it for me i'm going to get back to work but this has been fun thanks for hanging out oh my gosh i left your uh question up there the entire time sorry about that uh until tomorrow glad you enjoyed that talk to you soon goodbye