 The City of San Antonio Fighting Department. This is the eighth meeting of the Midtown Fighting Team. So I'd like to welcome everyone else from the public who joined us tonight. This is a good opportunity to hear the discussion that goes on here and reflect on what we're doing and be ready to provide some more input to us in other venues where we come to visit the Neighborhood Association meetings and when we have opportunities online to comment and relate. So what we're going to do around the introductions in just a second for the planning team so that everyone is reminded of who each other is and so that the public can hear that. But first, I'd like to pass on a message from the Hunter City Department that every year issues a survey to inform the Citywide Budget and it's called Essay Speak Up and it's an opportunity to provide your input into the Citywide Budget. There's a red page EssaySpeakUp.com pretty easy to remember that you can take back and share with other Neighborhood residents. And the brief survey asks whether you think floodly bubbles should be increased decreased or maintained for several different city priorities. There's currently a lack of response from District 1 and 2 and Midtown is in District 1 and 2 and so that's why they asked us to try to make an announcement today. The results of the survey that we shared with City Council for a day long budget work session on May 30 the survey closes on May 12. So please remember EssaySpeakUp.com there's written surveys you can also fill out on the table outside and leave with us on this table before you do tonight. And I'll return those to the Department that's issuing the survey. Okay. So for tonight's meeting we're going to talk about the Midtown planning process and give you an update on where we are in the process for making the Midtown plan to introduce the structure of the wet gauge where the Midtown plan will lie. We're going to talk about a section of the plan called collaborative profiles and priorities and we're going to have some discussion about that and some ideas from the making part representative which is and we're also going to have a continued discussion from the last two weeks about the future of the news map and some urban design recommendations for Broadway. So before we dive into all of that can you please start us off with introducing yourself? Sure. Hey, what is representing five points in a group? Jeanette Harbin representing Hal Harch. Richard Fuddy representing San City College. Mike Austin representing Jordan Hill. Colbert Lee representing San City River Board. Tiffle Rue with your Metropolitan Transit. You guys see how the Sanchez will be and Jeff will sit down. Rich Hades representing Harkin. You have got to share the Midtown plan when we're in business. Thanks. Again, I'm Garrett Phillips from the planning department. We also have Andrew Russ from our consultant, MIG, with us. Mark Deller-Torre also, can you please stand for the plan? Thank you. As you are our city staff and possibly all of you will skip those introductions but thanks for doing that. Also, just the same way, everybody else that's from the community or organizations or whoever's here to suck them up. Yeah. Would you like to start off with a call from Governor Hill? Close to my call, but I'm going to be giving him a tier one name of the coalition. Denise Hallmark, Government Hill, a new mayor and a new president. You see he came to the City Council to check on him. I'm Steve Amber. I live in the Nankin Park. George Brown is for Nankin Park. Shrevelyn Lugus with Nowcast S.A. and her camera. Joni Brooks from Nankin Park. I'm Polly Newell and I'm the president of the Nankin Park Mayor of the Association. Mary Evans, Mayor of the Department. Nice to meet you. Nice to meet you. Senator Tower, Government Hill. Thank you. I'm Koday Ponding. I live in New York. I guess while we're at it, the rest of the staff are here. Anything, everyone. My name's Bobby Hamilton and I'm with the planning department. Susan Gwynne City Terms Office. A Bridget-like planning department. We're going to go over that. We're going to go and see over here. We started last fall with analysis of vision. Last summer, really. We started to work on some of the big overall ideas and concepts of the plan in the fall. We started creating some maps without where the roads should be encouraged. We left a lot of areas where the roads should not be encouraged so much. And then in the winter, we started working on the future land use map and some of the other more specific recommendations for the good town planning. And so we're still in the space of trying to create and refine some of the more detailed strategies. And we're getting very close to being able to put a draft plan online that will certainly still be a work in progress and there'll be a lot of opportunity for people to weigh in by us going out to the community and by providing comments online. So after we release the draft plan on the attack on the page and we have time to get some feedback as the final plan, there'll be a three month adoption process that includes presentations to City Council and the planning commission and ultimately asking the City Council to adopt the plan. So we're getting a certain amount of work on the plan but we also still have plenty of work to do and there's plenty of opportunity to affect the final outcome. So recently, so public engagement we've done was primarily oriented to neighborhood associations visiting each of the neighborhood association general meetings over the last couple of months in Midtown to talk about the feature land use plan and to talk about the neighborhood profiles and priorities which we'll talk about a little bit more tonight as well. In the next couple of months, as I said, the plan will be online. We'll be doing more neighborhood visits if you'll have us. We'll be doing other yourselves around the community and there will also be a larger community we'll host and invite people to come to us if they're able to do that. The Midtown plan webpage, the plan will primarily be online. So it'll be the same webpage that we have for some time and it's midtown.stateplan.com and there'll be a series of tabs where one can find the draft plan, the options to choose from where you can go to existing conditions for the vision and goals, implementation strategies at the like. If you click on any one of those tabs, there'll be a page that has a lot more content where you can click on one of these, like land use or housing or economic development and from there there'll be lots of content that you can scroll down through and review what's in the plan. So that'll be the actual reform of the plan and there'll be opportunities to comment throughout both of the maps and on the tabs. By the way, as part of that focus, are you looking at some of the positions within the area also as far as land relocation, volume structures and all that? So in terms of deteriorated residential and commercial buildings, in neighborhoods, we've heard typically that those are priorities for rehabilitation if possible because those are replacing those buildings. And in other areas, like a lot of things, do score work if it doesn't have some essential historic character. So it's an opportunity for more people to use a new building to sort of the direction that we're headed in. What's the date? I can commit to the date right now but we're trying to get it done as soon as possible. And he'll definitely know because we will advertise an email and ask you to start reviewing it. Is there anyone with a possibility of having it in Spanish as well and possibly from libraries or some of their community spaces? Well, we have the ability to, for instance, I understand that we will have to provide and we won't be creating a Spanish translation of it. After the city has already gone through this old translation process and I think we can see that probably there's somebody that can translate it to do that at the farm, which is... I mean, it's where the cities can be going in. I don't know what the funds are for the other areas that are, like, 19 today. I'll talk with our team about it but I don't think it's something that I'm in a position to say that we can do just for the town, for example. So we have to think about it. That should be a problem, right? I think it should be a problem. I think it's a problem. But we need a general factor. I think what we're going to do is there is a... we have, say, one particular document that was in a few years ago. It did cost a few thousand dollars so we're looking at actually 30 cents so we have to look at that in the budget to see or in our particular sections that we would maybe use at some rate because some of it may be technical but that's something we really need to do. You can ask me if you have a point of order in the RTS or anything that we do that's going to make a case like this that it will work in a community like ours and it would be just common sense to continue to do that so I'm going to make sure that that's noted. Okay. And I will say that also there was a community meeting number three to make sure and since now it's really getting to the end of that we have two different moments at least. One that might be a Monday through Thursday after six o'clock and one that's a weekend and ten in the morning somewhere because people work and I haven't been impressed by the numbers of people joining up with those community meetings. Okay. I'll see what I can do about that. I'm not sure I'll be able to again if the rest of our other plans aren't having two of them it's most of our department that works in two of them but it's valuable but I understand you know there's a community meeting and Saturday morning and four people to participate potentially we'll also be trying to provide other opportunities besides the community the city had $31 million surplus after six months I think there's some money and I know that would possibly be supported so the next thing that I was hoping you could do about is the neighborhood profiles and priorities so this is the section of the plan summarizes some of the unique and local existing conditions and primary issues for each neighborhood and also some of the highest priorities for things that should be done in the future and I'm going to tell you for just a moment about what we've been doing and then as I indicated earlier which has some thoughts you might share and we have at least several minutes to talk about this before we move on to other things so the neighborhood profile of priorities is a way for us to try to integrate the deeply local issues for each neighborhood into the Midtown plan and throughout the rest of the plan the future management the mobility and transportation section the amenities and infrastructure section there will also be integration of some neighborhood priorities and values and that's certainly what we're doing is trying to incorporate neighborhood values throughout the plan but this section was intended to be something that's really about primarily local issues that are really important to neighborhoods so we had it set up as a chapter that offered a brief set of strengths, challenges and opportunities and then again a very brief list of priorities and over the last couple of months I visited with each of the neighborhood association general meetings in Midtown to talk about what kind of content they'd like to put into this section of the plan a lot of the things that I hear are also useful for incorporating into other sections of the plan so it's been really helpful to make the rest of the plan as well and we started that process out by making an initial draft because we've heard community meeting number one community meeting number two and other neighborhood visits in the last year some of the relevant issues so we just created an initial draft to discuss we visited the neighborhoods we revised the draft and we're now going to be doing some more work to continue improving them and with that being said it's just a little bit of background information on some of those things and I think that what UI to speak with us about which is related but not necessarily fundamentally about this chapter I think so I'll open it up to you I know I have no copies for all of the guests but I do have copies for the people what I'm going to be talking about is the comprehensive plan because it's more or less the driver for what 100 percent of the crowd one leg of the three schools for the different plans for sustainability and the comprehensive plan and so what I've done in the sheet I'm not going to read you can read but I'll just highlight what I was trying to do and then it's show where in the comprehensive plan it discusses negative plans search engines so that that was the only word I was talking for neighborhood plans not neighborhood because you'll find neighborhood throughout the plan there's always a discussion about the neighborhood that Mayor Nuremberg really did a good job setting the framework for that the first one, 1.3 those are the sections in that it's the comprehensive plan is an irrelevant policy for the planning document itself and it does not alter or negate the existing neighborhood plans community plans or sector plans that may all really exist and that was the true statement for all of the long range planning that's been done in the past whether it was the E397 2001 and specifics there I was trying to give you where it talks about historic neighborhoods number 17.2 gives us some things to think about particularly as we look at the priorities and the snapshot of our priorities and opportunities for us that the summary of plans in particular should utilize existing neighborhood plans as the foundation document and then use that foundation document to develop the snapshots the land use and the land use document that we'll eventually be saying was did take to use the land use plans and the neighborhood plans as a starting point and going from there and that's when I'm reading the city correctly that variance is all over the place neighborhood plans and land use and how they're trying to pull those together while the city's major transportation corridors often serve as the boundaries between the neighborhoods planning changes along the corridors have often not been appropriate but looking for example at the main park plan you would see that there was a concern on our part and it was for the buildings along Broadway the businesses and making sure that they were sustainable and that we didn't have right now but too many vacancies because the vacancies and buildings that are cavernous lead to many other kinds of problems when the concluding one there 1713 brings it back to the picture that eventually when the city does the overall plan we're going to have to incorporate the neighborhood plans in order to give the services out to that should be done for us but it was a reminder to me and to all of us it gave me and a chance to read more of the comprehensive plan that I had in the past doing this search because I had to read through it and see what we're talking about and I think that what we find is the neighborhood plans are important and they're important in it it's stated over and over again in these building blocks that form the foundation for our plan that's my take on it after all I said two weekends to go to go look at the blue bullet we can find now that we talked about our plan my last neighborhood association we actually spent most of the time speaking about this instead of the the plan and I think it was probably farther for most people there and that was a good meaning because there's so many people that turned out for us to do the location we're meeting in Manatee Park now not in Lyonsville which is someplace else outside the board to be so based on that conversation in Manatee Park and some others that we had I think they live in southern areas we'd like to expand the neighborhood priorities in the profile section I just suggested that it was about two pages long which is quite short and so we might better open it up try to incorporate more content from neighborhood plans if people from neighborhood consider that content useful or modify it and we're also we'd also like to go and meet with some of the original neighborhood planning team members that form those plans and that's going to be difficult to find many of them if we didn't keep the SLS George is here from Manatee Park and we know that if any are still involved in the neighborhood or from Manatee Relationships I think that that might be important several people on the board right now so that's the set that we have more work to do on neighborhood profiles and priorities and we appreciate sort of the extra emphasis that we need to make to incorporate or integrate the neighborhood plan priorities to the extent that neighborhoods still find them very relevant and still find them to be priorities into other sections of the plan as well if they have that sort of area line significance I think it would be important to recognize the priorities within the profile to when that already went and saved the concern or idea already exists in, for example, Manatee Park plan. We talked about the plan in 201 and we talked about the optionality in that plan so it's a react to the mission of what we're talking about today also and it's important to show that and can you speak to that? Let's jump in really quickly too. One thing that we would hear across the other five sub-area plans this is not a unique concern that we've heard like in the Midtown area, we've heard it across all the lands and I think Garrett started to show what we had in terms of kind of the draft layout of the document which is common. One thing that I think is a no-brainer to get in here is we had opportunities that we didn't note on these priorities where a priority from the neighborhood scale aligns really well with the sub-area planning effort and then we also had the ability to denote where maybe a neighborhood priority from Manatee Park let's say actually aligns really well with one apartment the other neighborhood is in any of the six sub-area plans and one thing we want to make sure we get in here now is also a way to denote that this is a priority that's being carried forward from existing neighborhood plan and kind of being re-elevated to this process so Garrett talks about how these sub-area planning efforts, the intention all along is that they really meaningfully integrate the neighborhood plans into these and kind of a really distilled document that provides clear guidance to the city to the private sector and places that the neighborhood really wants to see that investment but I think when Garrett's point of trying to make this more robust we'd love to hear the kind of things that should be in this sort of standalone document so the idea is that each neighborhood that at least is interested and willing to help us out with any sub-area would have its own document a couple of the other things we've heard so far from some of the other sub-areas is that it would be great to have a place to memorialize the major accomplishments from the existing neighborhood plans so a place to kind of celebrate the fact that let's say Niki Park for example the original plan recommended Conservation District and that's in place so if you agree it's a great time for us to kind of reflect back on those existing plans and be able to say you know what, this neighborhood plan will catalyze this big idea let's make sure that we get it in this newer effort and let's make sure that we're showing that demonstrated momentum but then also a place to say here are key recommendations that were in those plans and those that we want to make sure we prioritize kind of elevate to this next level so we can get whether it's a half dozen, whether it's two dozen neighborhood priorities that we say you know for the next 15 year horizon that these sub-area plans will help lead us towards what are the priorities for each of the individual neighborhoods within these priorities Did you share these priorities with us and I just whatever you shared with the neighborhood associations? We've just been working on a majority with each neighborhood so far it's been a very draft and rough and so we haven't brought the draft results to the planning team to review as as a planning team I feel what I need that information as it's made in the future decisions and I think that's the frustration in the last meeting that I called was the land use conversation and we were very frustrated having received these drafts and I was concerned like how can I sit here representing the community they agree with this and I think I was in the law department so it was already a contentious meeting and it was these priorities that we need, like how are we going to incorporate what the neighborhood associations want when you've already, someone has already defined these large scale buildings and sets buildings up at that hallway or whatever it's a lot of the conversation that's okay and I'm glad I've had these meetings but I also don't have a sense of what Tobin Mill said all the different community said and it would be good to even get those comments to us as well so we're reading because we weren't at those meetings and I'd like to add or just to address that because the land use fortunate for each of the sub-area plans, the land use that was adopted in the neighborhood plan is the foundation for that land use in the sub-area so we have taken that into account so the land use that you're seeing or you've looked at is, you can think of it as equation so it's the land use from the adopted plans plus if there's an area that has no adopted plan and the neighborhood is open and then we have to add to that in the RSA order so we look at the land use of the transit order and we add to that everything that we've heard from the planning team plus what we heard from the community so the land use piece does take into account and use the future land and use the adopted land use map from the adopted bigger plans I think with this new with this effort to really expand that what will happen in terms of our timeline is as Garrett mentioned we're going to be talking to the whole planning team in terms of this is kind of the draft that we have to prioritize the priorities let's pull more from the maybe adopted bigger plans we'll take that also out to the community and we'll have a chance to look at that then that will come back to the planning team again so you'll have a chance to look at that all again in terms of how everything is built on itself in terms of the land use was everything that you said let's look for the neighborhood the old planning team the old planning team members to get to the final product so in a sense it's like we're doing a will in a sense kind of taking all those plans and piecing them together for the sub-area and each sub-area we put that together to create the capacity so everything will, it's more or less a circle we always bring it back to you but it's kind of a whole different process so each piece builds on itself and we have to embed it with you so it may take a little bit of time but we kind of have to go through this process or how to step into the process to incorporate more of the neighborhood plan to use it it's incremental and we have to get some feedback and we'll contact each other and we're going to take our time to sort of look at it and you started with the quote that you saw we want to check we want to see and I think it would be fruitful for the city that we have that document we list this group of people and then we'll have a discussion because we would play off of each other and we have an interaction that is so important we can change that into a final product just to jump I guess to continue on the quilting analogy Gary was walking us through the schedule and where we got in two days and really at this point with the geography this big for this whole midtown area we basically like picked out the patches of fabric in really big moves we picked out the size of this thing is going to be part of the stitching part of things and making sure that these complement each other so the land use conversation is always a tough one in the planning process to wrap your head around because you're talking about really big moves and you're talking about huge visions that are 15, 20 years down the line that's hard for all of us to conceive and now we've kind of got some of those pieces in place now it's about looking at that through a finer lens and saying does this work for Mickey or does this piece work for Tobin or are these talking to each other or not and that's the kind of feedback we need the planning team but then also the public to be really candid about and let us know if we're steering in the wrong direction and help get us back on course since we've been on a land job I like the quilt I like the quilt okay when you bring in land land use you're talking about the oldest piece of material that's been handed down then hand it down it's the homestead we have to be aware of that of all costs absolutely and so again because I'd like to read any comments from the community they're around here I happen getting calls or just reading the paper or whatever and there's a lot of frustration and again the last meeting we put association for us to the Whitty and San Antonio River for the folks that scared at what they saw around land use and they were the folks that said we were there 20 years ago they called to envision that another thing is too much is too much and that was people who are usually not recognized and respected that you know institution stakeholders that are very much respected they mean the same thing because they're scared to see that and I want to honor my presence here and I want to honor the people and the larger community or I want to be a part of it and I don't want my name associated with the community so so we will certainly share the initial draft favorite profiles and queries with the faculty and we would like to do that with the rest of the draft plan as a whole you can see how the draft comes together at the different parts complement each other and I continue to have opportunities to change it and improve it after that and in the meantime we'll go further and ask you to continue for example tonight laying out some questions that we have for the midtown plan they primarily relate to things that we talked about in planning team meeting number 7 in February so some responses that we have some potential ways that we can respond to that conversation and what we talked about then and also preview some questions that we'll be working on as a planning team and with the Lincoln Park neighborhood related to the land use plan the land use map and so with that being said is there anything else that you'd like to talk about related to the neighborhood of plans before we continue trying to make some progress? No. So at all of the planning team meetings we ask that comments and discussion be limited to the planning team members and it's designed as a work session to get some work done as the planning team and if we do invite comments from anyone and are the guests it would probably be fair to have an open discussion with everybody and that's not the expectations that we've set for the planning team in the past and so I'm going to ask that we do continue limiting planning meeting discussions to the planning team with that being said I know based on our prior discussions that we have thoughts to learn from you sir and probably from everyone else in this room forward to more conversations with our guests from government Hill and Randy Park and every other neighborhood as before I've been available to visit neighborhood board meetings and your community meeting if it's not a neighborhood or a neighborhood association general meeting so please ask me to come visit as well to please have me come visit so I'm sorry if I were to speak it's an open discussion for everyone so I have a opportunity to ask them to write down their questions, their comments their concerns with contact information to get back to you and the staff so that you can be sure that we some respond to all of that so can you please help me get the comment cards off of the table and all of that and so I don't want to reduce your concern if you took the time to come here you probably have more to say than can be expressed on a comment card it's probably more nuanced or complex I hope that you if you do write some comments or at least meet your contact information and the neighborhood that you're from make sure that you know the next time we're visiting your neighborhood and also by business cards and also on the table outside and and you are welcome anyone as well can encourage to contact me at any time by telephone or email I could also visit with small groups of papers, it doesn't have to be some kind of official group so so far I haven't been overwhelmed with requests to do this but continue to try to offer that opportunity your okay so the comment cards are stacked at the end of the table Holly would you pass them around please just pass the staff in case anyone wants to take one? I will and while I do so I would like to encourage the committee members to decide whether or not they want to hear from the representatives in this room and not make the decision up to Garrett this is Jean's committee I want to say that I've been trying to speak to some of that so I just don't want to be the only person so I support that my other suggestion is if you have a question you want to write you can give it to us we can ask the question that way I can't make comments though I don't know if there's anybody else that wants to you can also share comments that come from the cards with the next with the planning team email at the next planning team meeting as well I'm sorry it applies to city staff as well it's something to be consistent about since the beginning of the process we're spending more time talking about comments than working on it so after there's not some task force the policy is exactly the same as at the end people can go around and make comments it's just a suggestion and we do for almost every other task force that the city puts forward it seems pretty simple here as well I'll leave that to you and Bridget for today we have until the meeting is supposed to end at 8.30 and we probably have a little discussion for the next hour 15 minutes and as always I stay until the last person leaves after the meeting but we do invite the planning team to come here with the expectation that we discuss the things that we said we would and so I'm going to move on to the next part of the presentation and the discussion I would support the meeting was that with deliberately but as quickly as we can I hope we have enough time to be in before we turn I second that I would like to try to I would like to understand I'd like to follow city process as well I mean I want to group with the community and I wasn't at those meetings and again we don't have notes of those meetings but it's very frustrating to then just make decisions with that kind of purpose thank you for sharing just for clarification are you talking about the meetings and the individual meetings of the association again we're just moving forward and those priority conversations or whatever it is they're here they're here in large numbers the other meetings that we have so there are concerns going people are interested in that process and I'm not sure what other meetings are here might be based on visits with them and their concerns so we don't know what those are we're being asked to give recommendations without the benefit of that information full of this we also have a representative from each neighborhood association who was at each of those meetings and that's why that's why I got a place on the planning team I don't understand that's one of my responsibilities here so at the last meeting that the lady used again we talked about the future that we used primarily in relation to the Broadway corridor and we also talked a little bit about our neighborhood areas so at the front of the meeting we had a fair amount of discussion about other parts of the meeting and we had left this discussion for planning TV number 7 so we had in the initial draft radius map we had identified a good portion of Manking Park in Irvington south of the park as high density to match the existing zoning and we heard that that was inappropriate from there was also concern about it from the neighborhood meetings that I attended at Manking Park and we were really encouraged to lower the record back densities for the way I used mapping in Manking Park and so we had doted at least initially and we had essentially matched large portions of Manking Park this was really for discussion purposes and it's really for a discussion that goes beyond tonight with the neighborhood I'll be asking you to give us your blessing on this and it being doted but trying to match some of the existing density low urban low density residential which describes single family homes duplexes and potentially triplexes if the zoning already supports it so it's the same in some of these areas south of the park as in the northern portion of Manking Park and leaving some opportunities for a little bit more density in the middle here nothing more than the existing zoning with support which would typically be when you combine it with the design standards single family homes to duplex, triplex type opportunities and the overall pattern of lower versus higher versus higher density does in your neighborhood plan and so more than anything I wanted to show you we're trying to be responsive to some of the concerns that we've had we didn't have similar concerns in other neighborhoods on a wide spread basis so that's why we're calling Manking Park there has been more discussion about it and there's more to do on this I'm sure we'll get more comments on so throughout other residential neighborhood areas and planning team meetings and neighborhood visits we talked about in the neighborhood residential areas essentially encouraging a policy where zoning to have more density in the future would be discouraged and down some would be discouraged too so essentially like existing rules it should mostly stay the same to promote some stability and also some moderate opportunities for growth and that seemed like something that for the most part there was some acceptance of and we didn't get messages to the contrary when we visited the neighborhood associations in the last couple of months except that again in Manking Park there are some concerns about that and there is an interest stemming from the 2003 neighborhood plan and changing the zoning to just match the existing density levels so if the rules now allow a five plex but there's just a duplex there right now a neighborhood plan would have recommended changing those rules just a duplex from now on you could so that's different the direction of ahead of them of the other neighborhood residential areas and so it's something for us to discuss with the neighborhood and with the planning team to go over is whether we take an approach with the future land use map and text policy recommendations that are more aligned with other big-tap neighborhoods or following the neighborhood plan or there's also some other potential recommendations that can make to encourage specific types of housing but not just any for example if a four-pole housing is a priority or housing that's accessible to people with disabilities with a ramp in a large hallway there's ways to potentially incentivize them through the future of zoning processes so this is something for us to consider that I think our conversations with residents in Mankin Park about Mankin Park Neighborhood Association were that the discussion about sustainability was also part of our visit to that even if it's just because an A-clip wants it and then that will put us in the rest of the city being the most economically segregated city that even if it was 20 story and high market rate housing development that we also want to make sure the working class people that are working in and around them certainly and it comes to the values that were seen to be expressed in the midtown vision and goals that we worked on last fall in the Citywide SA Tomorrow comprehensive plan discouraging affordable housing or a certain type of person like a rancher doesn't seem so consistent with those but there's different variations to the extent that we can really proactively encourage certain types of housing so that's our third board meeting we did talk about affordability and possible section A depending on which area you need it in the last midtown tourism 31 and local housing conversations that are going on and we're going to submit it as well so it's a project we work together okay how many thoughts butch or anyone we don't have to make a bunch of progress on this conversation I think more neighborhood conversations would like to work even forward do you have any let's say I can't see butch you did this down there in the box that very dark box is that what's for it or is that else yes this is this would be I believe it's Ira like the GCM is over here so Ira being a street that is back to some higher density apartments and some on the south which is reflective where less has mattered and on the north side of Ira were a single family or duplex that had defined traditional urban brain so let's discuss further in the coming weeks and months