 Boom, what up fam Anthony dream John senior today founder of 21 convention 22 convention co-founder of the red man group President 21 studios president of Manusphere lots of good things coming at you today with episode 129 of the red man group the final episode of 2020 of the show and it's me look back at 2020 kind of review and then looking ahead predictions and thoughts on 2021 Maybe a great year for you know 21 studios. It's built in the name built in the year Without further ado, we have a huge panel for the final episode of the year today Including myself, of course, and then bam Tony Bruno bam Zach Small Bam Steve the Dean Williams bam coach Greg Adams BAM of all fell and BAM an over boy How you doing gentlemen, thanks for coming on today Yes Doing great Yeah, yeah, we should have a couple more guys coming on Michael Foster, maybe one or two more Pat Steadman. We'll see how it goes But before we get any kind of 2020 2021 topics, how's everybody's Christmas? What'd you guys do? Went to hang out with some friends They just came here from the UK escaping from the cold, I guess in the rain So we hung out with them for the day. It was great to see all the kids playing together You know I got got three little ones now and they have one went on the way So it's it's wonderful to see all the new life that's coming Yeah, nice Coach I say on California man enjoying looks like the beach yesterday at the beach Yeah, I mean we drove by we didn't we didn't stop at the beach, but it was almost 80 degrees On Christmas Day, it's tough to get in the Christmas spirit when it's so warm out but you know we hung out outside a little bit and The kids had my kids until noon didn't drop them off at their mother's house and then came home and relaxed Nice. Yeah, you had to pull one of your shows down too, right? You had something happen on Christmas Well, it popped back up this morning So I did a Christmas Eve show they pulled it down and said it was against, you know the community thing guidelines and Before I got on I looked and it was back up So, you know, I don't play games with you too, but they want to pull me down pull me down I don't but I don't kick and scream. I don't contact. I treat them like women, you know Sorry, I want to play games with me go ahead and play I'm gonna just ignore you and then they end up, you know, all right. He's not affected by it And they just go ahead and give it back, right? By the way, we got another guest on walking past that man to the show. Thanks. Come on Pat Yeah, man, I get this son of my face Just for me guys hung out a lot of Socrates couple of the guys from the convention over in Orlando over the couple holidays here Christmas Eve Christmas Day, it was awesome, man, especially I was telling you guys before we started seeing Socrates daughter She's five now and seeing her from I was a Thanksgiving dinner with them when she was in the womb And then seeing her be born and then grow up now as this wild man And that's just as an observer and everyone I can imagine for Socrates seeing its own daughter grow up like that But it's a super cool super positive great people over there to hanging out with and great food I think all of you've seen Socrates house or most of you and the dude has like the best I call him the best restaurant in Orlando in one of park He's got a great spread Yeah, Pat, we were talking about, you know, what you did over Christmas just brief intro before we get into some other 2020-2021 topics Yeah, you're a brand new father, man. Holy shit. How's that going? It's going great, man. It's going great. She's a thank you. Thank you. Yeah, she came a couple but a little bit more than a week early Super fast breath. I mean, it was like less than two and a half hours all told But she's been great. She's been really easy. Honestly makes the whole thing Seem pretty easy, but you did you really get an appreciation from others, you know, just the kind of Work that goes into it on those early days and constantly feeding Up at night with the baby. Not like the baby's crying even just babies hungry. So But no, that's great. It's great. It really really makes you want to have a lot more That's awesome, man, I was so happy for you, man Thank you. Great end to a wild year for a past statement. Hell, yeah for sure for sure No, well Anthony, I went down to mom and dad's and I had a cousin in town and of course nice met my dad So it was a interesting afternoon. Yeah, papa Bruno man grandpa Bruno's a wild man. I love him He said so for those who don't know Tony Bruno and George Bruno's father is like extremely old school You know retired Marine from the 1950s. He was down in Guantanamo Bay doing shit Just super hardcore. It's great being around him because he's like from a different era America so it's really interesting just being around him. That's great hair, too 84 years old Well, yeah for me I just had all my hot or three of my hobbits came from college So they all came down so I finally have all my kids at the house finally for the first time in a long time We just kicked it for a Christmas and you know, do that thing and like I said, I told you earlier that Tonight we're all going to the movie. So it's like we got like ten row a row of tin chairs That we already do but yeah, we're all going to see this Wonder Woman crap. So Cool man, let's get into some some content here guys, you know, we're at the end of 2020 which 2020 is a year I think needs no introduction and probably won't for several decades The last year that I think had anything this nuts was like 2001 You know September 11 attacks and then all the crap at the airports and wars getting going all that So in my lifetime, I've just never seen I think everybody here has never seen anything like it So before we get into 2021 I want to do some predictions Just some closing thoughts on 2020 you can approach it from my kind of any angle you want You know politics economics women dating men the man is fear So much has happened this year, you know, I'll say let me start off I think it 2020 has been pretty solid pretty strong for the man is fear I think we've got a lot of views a lot of growth. There's been some setbacks You know, it's defend Molly knew getting booted off the platform. So I thought that was pretty bad But overall, I think a lot of us have been doing really great a lot of content getting made a lot of men get woken up a lot of guys You know getting red pill even beyond the man's fear just seeing all the lies and bullshit of the world But yeah, I mean look at the manuscript the events we did Working with you guys has been the pleasure might you know the air this for me this year Building the events promoting the events doing the events. That was a so much fun, man That was that was the best event of my life That was a masterpiece for me and you guys were my building blocks For that my partners for it and I appreciate that so much feels like Thanksgiving almost but wrong holiday right feeling, you know Say I'll just look back on 2020 anybody wants to go it's up to you. I mean, I'll jump in I thought it was an amazing year I think that there's been there's been a higher acceleration of consciousness in this past year than in The prior five certainly put together People are just waking up. I mean, there's a lot of people who aren't waking up, but tons and tons of people woke up this year and I think we've got a glimpse of what the future looked like you just see all these old collapsing and You know, I think like obviously this sort of destruction is is rough on a lot of people and but the mask is coming off, right? I mean People who have had a negative agenda for society for a very very long time are now being ratted out publicly And I think that's a good thing. I mean, some people don't like it And that's what they think it's the worst year But they've been doing this shit for a while like I'd rather it be out in the open so that we know very clearly who the enemies are and I don't think they're gonna. I mean, I think that they're all they're all Going bye-bye in 2021. I think that we're we're seeing the beginning of the end for it all so Yeah, I mean transitions are tough for a lot of people and I have a lot of you know compassion and empathy for those who have suffered through it, but We're gonna get through it and the message yet to come Yeah George walk on the show. Yeah, it's been a very uncomfortable year for a lot of people Yeah, and I you know a lot of people they seek everything they can to escape discomfort But the reality is discomfort is revelatory, you know, you can't refine gold without fire So the fire that we've been under this last year the the discomfort that people have been suffering has been revealing who they truly are You're right how to reveal the bad people. It also reveals who's solid and who's good as well a lot of relationships that people have They've got to find out whether they're real or whether they were tolerated in the past And so this is a time revelation comes People make the changes they need and then things really kick off Afterwards, and I think 2021 is gonna be super hot because of that because now we people got shocked with the revelation of a lot of truths And now they're gonna adapt and they're gonna change up for 2021 You know the elites can change things we can change things too and we're gonna adapt and Devise our own method to get around the things that they're putting in our way to to conquer where we need to conquer and in times of chaos This is why it's been so good for the Manisphere in the chaos times is when everybody wants masculinity Yes, so you know the stock in masculinity is gonna start rising right now The value of men will go up and I think what's what's gonna make 2021 fantastic Yeah, fuck yeah, by the way, I welcome George Bruno and Thanks, hoppin on boys. We got a full panel now. Fuck yeah Before we get George and Michael Foster kind of more properly introduced to the show today Coach Greg's got to go at probably about 15 20 minutes. I do want to talk to him Focus on him a little more here Coach give us a quick recap on 2020 from your perspective Go ahead. Yeah, I think you know one of the things I talked about and you know in The speeches and in the book the evolution I said the bottom's gonna fall out I think Pat and Noah hit on it is that masculinity? Began to be more important and people are gonna start reaching out to it And I think we were ahead of the game All right, all of the things that we saw the changes that we saw over the last 40 years We knew that there was something not right about it There was something that didn't feel right and that propelled me to even write the book the evolution I was like, you know what the bottom's gonna fall out This cannot sustain itself in the direction that it was going and as you can see Once the things once we adjusted once we got Essential workers out and the people who really made a difference all of those things that propped were you know We're used to prop other people up that didn't really earn it it all went away Okay, and so now we're in this massive adjustment period of what's real and what's not and now Because we were ahead of the game and we were putting our content out the last three four or five years Now people are reaching to us right they're looking for the wise men The Enlightenment and they want answers as to why the things that they were taught were real or now being exposed to being Worthless, I mean, we're almost down to the dollar being worthless We're almost down to I mean people can't pay their rent You know, there's a lot of things that are that they were taught that they believe then that really doesn't exist And not only that you have this old transition of power The Nancy Pelosi's the truck Schumer they're holding on to the last straws that they keep hold on to that They can grasp as they go out before they you know leave this earth and they're causing all this chaos all these old people they're causing all of this chaos and People want real answers and they're looking they're searching out Real men who are willing to put their balls and their neck on the line to come out here You know in face to fire. So look 2020 was great for me. I saw everybody else panicking. All right, but I was prepared You know been telling people get your shit together. All right Otherwise, you're not gonna be prepared when these times come. So glad I prepared and now glad I get this information out And I'm glad that more people are reaching out to men like us. Our numbers are going up I don't know if you guys notice. Yeah, but in the last probably 10 months The traffic has been crazy. I mean book purchases people are reaching out. Yeah Yeah, fuck yeah, man I wanted to mention to you just mentioned being prepared. Is that part of the free agent lifestyle? Is that explicitly? I mean, I said, you know, I said a lot of times one of the things I said in the book is don't box yourself in and what happens is people box themselves in to feel comfort with certain Ideologies or you know, you know to I get the whole bullying thing, right? The whole kind of just the bullying campaign. We all knew that was messed up We're like this doesn't seem right, you know, we all got bullied You know kind of made us, you know, who you are it kind of taught us some things So a lot of times when you box yourself in and you say I'm a Republican or I'm a Democrat and I believe this xx and x Well, that doesn't give you the freedom you need by the time some of those things actually fall apart, right? Some of those ideologies fell flat on its face Feminism in particularly it fell flat on his face. Now if you box yourself into that ideology Once it was tested fell apart now all of a sudden you weren't as free as you needed to be and now you went to look for answers Yeah, all those feminists are selling aspects on only fans now, you know Just that fast and I always say When the barbarian shows up and the barbarian is here We don't even know if this is the bar the big barbarian But the barbarian basically is when something comes up and tested it could be a plague It could be, you know a foreign attack It could be something from within when the barbarian shows up first thing that's gonna happen Is all the tough caulking people and particularly the feminists they don't lie on their back and submit Okay, and we're seeing that they submit it and the way you submit you lie on your back and you expose yourself To protect yourself and that's what they're doing on only fans. All right They're prostituting themselves on seeking a range of only fans x y and z and they're doing everything but submit to the American male All right, and therefore they're submitting to the barbarian. Yeah, I got to say coach I was much more optimistic about how COVID and the pandemic and all the stuff how that would influence women and I think you called it better and yeah, they've just been like you're saying they just kind of whore themselves out They submit themselves to whatever that they think's gonna suit them in the moment Which right now has been seven dollars a month showing off your ass on your vagina on only fans I mean all the memes that migtow are promoting for years This is kind of like, you know, what happens at the drop of a hat the minute barbarian shows up booty picks And who knows what's next after that, but yeah Thanks Who else wants to go next now and kind of a recap for 2020? How is it for you? How did it meet your expectations or how did it? You know sidewinds or get a curve ball to it. Well, Anthony, I'll go next. Sure. I know one thing I'm happy I live in Florida. I absolutely feel like Florida is a different country than the rest of the United States My brothers when I talk to them being in Pennsylvania Just some of the ridiculous rules and things that are going on right now, especially in other states It's amazing to me that All these rules and regulations can happen we're in Florida we can go out to dinner You can see your Your waiters waitresses don't wear masks And it's just not like the rest of the country So, you know, I mean, that's a that's a massive point Tony because that's exactly why 21 summit and Basically the only conference in the Manusphere even happened this year is because it was held and founded in Florida You know way back on the day Yeah, and even my business didn't suffer this year I'm always slow around Christmas, but my business didn't suffer like a lot of businesses So I'm very happy at Florida. I'm very happy for our governor who's a savage. So, yeah Yeah, I had no idea that guy would be the savage man want to vote for him I was like, yeah, he seems alright, you know better than the other guy who ended up being a meth addict and banging gay hookers So yeah, I talk about dogs in a bullet, but he's been he's been awesome, man There's so much pressure on him to do all this all a lot of stupid crap to get the states and use You know the guy has no tolerance for it zero. Yeah, I love it I would say maybe the only other state that is close to Florida and I believe Steve is in Texas and I think Texas is probably The closest to Florida and I'm not sure what other states. Maybe it's like South Dakota South Dakota, yeah, they got that that that woman up there, man that kind of crazy milf, but she's hot and pretty savage South Dakota lady. Yeah, Michael foster George. Let's get you guys more properly into the show today I appreciate you guys hopping on and no Michael. You had a you had a election Water main break just downstairs pre just recently before you hopped on Yeah, yeah, so if I just disappeared it's because they cut the power to my office building here I walked out I was getting ready to hit the the link to jump in and I was like and it sounds like water There's water gushing out everywhere 2020 was a great year for me one of my best years I've had in a long time It's been a good year for the church because we needed an event to reveal the rot that is deep in the church So Jesus when he would criticize the church he would or the Pharisees we'd call them whitewash tombs, right? And so on the outside it looks all nice, but inside there's dead men bones And that's been the state of the church for a long time It's a place that attracts a lot of weak men because it's easy to get a leadership position And with that position comes status and ability to talk down and condescend to people But then we had this crisis of leadership where you had to make hard decisions and had to decide are you gonna? Comply with the overreaching government. Are you gonna seriously force your people to register to come? There was churches having lotteries for people You know you'd have to win the right to come and so these men them showed themselves just to be a feminine cowards And that is a wonderful thing and so regular folk. It's funny in my church, which is only four weeks old You know, I'm I'm of a really old school Presbyterian very theologically minded all my people are normal folks They're just looking for someone with the spine So they're not attracted to me because I'm like their particular brand of Christianity or something like that They're just looking for leadership and this is a great. This is great for the church You know the church always does good when there's crisis when it means something to be a Christian But we know so many people and I know the board we run the whole spectrum here religiously speaking But we've all known people that have claimed the name of Christ and we're like If I was Jesus, I wouldn't want you to speak for me Okay, like you know and and those people are being called out. I think it's a wonderful thing it's gonna be painful moving forward because it's just gonna it's gonna get harder and harder because this government That's coming after us whether if Trump hangs on and gets in there somehow There's still this evil deep state that we're in a battle with there's no way To deny that and so it's not gonna calm down for Christians so now they'll actually have to man up these guys can't just cater to women and children anymore and Soy boys are gonna actually have to do something. So I think it's great. It's been good for me. I'm excited bring it I gotta say Michael. I'm not a Christian, but you're my favorite pastor by long shot Thanks, man, I'm not agnostic. I'm not agnostic, but close. Yeah This is great savage George. Mr. Bruno the other Bruno big Bruno. How you doing, man? Excellent just got done roasting a pound of coffee for the week. It was great nice Was good. Yeah. Hey, well first of all, I've never seen Pat Steadman with hair in his face. It looks great Fantastic, and I've never seen Phil Foster with hair on his head. That looks great, too. I mean, what's going on? What is that the planets aligned up all this stuff happened? There's something happening in the world right now, man. Can you feel it a close up here the hair? I didn't know yeah, I felt a pair of hair shit That is It's good to see all you guys I'm out here in the shed that I call the van go room. It's freezing. It's about 28 degrees It's not going to get above 30 today Pennsylvania is the Gestapo State. It sucks. I had a great year I'm not going to complain. I never coward or folded and You know and a lot of people private messaging me like Nicodemus, you know in the middle of the night saying Hey, man, I appreciate your courage and your message and I'm like, you don't have to private message me You can say it publicly. It's okay, you know But I know a lot of people haven't gotten to the point where they can just Come forward. This was my 60th year this past year so I turned 60 this year and You know the older you get the less you give a shit about what other people think and the less Filters you have and you don't care about Like the tribe that you build When you're older is the I'll be honest with you. It's kind of like the zero F's given tribe to steal a phrase from Cooper I truly don't care what people think but that does not mean I'm careless. I Deeply care about people. I I still stop when I see someone stuck on the side of the road I will help people. I private message people who reach out to me 24 7 it doesn't matter to me Because I'm free I'm free to help people and you know what my joy Comes from helping people and helping people get rid of the chains and the bondage That has been built into their life. So I'm really This is possibly the best year of my life to be honest with you. All right, man. Hell, yeah Coach, I know you got to go in a few minutes. Coach Greg. Let's get the closing thoughts on coach Coaster Domus from Coaster Domus on 2021 Yeah, I think you know, I'm always sound negative You know when I talk about these things, but you know, sometimes you got to really just bring a little bit of truth I think we're just gonna see the fallout of what people Sacrificed in 2020. All right, that actually has to happen first before we can move into the next level So there's a lot of people that are facing the eviction crisis That's gonna kind of play out. There's people that haven't had paychecks for six to eight months There's people that have lost their business There's people that are depending on that $600 second stimulus check that have to really get their finances in order So I call it the aftershock. I'm in California, right? So we ride earthquakes out here for a look, you know Forever now and then and then after the earthquake is what happens There's a lot of movement after that the earth is still adjusting So every now and then you get a little trimmer so to make you remember that the earth is still trying to fix itself so We're gonna see the aftershock in 2021. We're also gonna see a little bit of hysteria related to the vac scene as I say it on my channel because you got to break that up We're gonna see that fallout and where Um, the the people who are pushing it you're gonna see a lot of people resist it and there's gonna be You know a power struggle related to that The people were really pushing on you. So we're gonna see where that goes once we get through that I think then we can start rebuilding into Uh, what we need to build back to whatever the permanent status of of america is or the world So that's what I see going on here. I still think there's gonna be a fallout adjustment period And we're gonna build stronger from here. See they're still gonna be people reaching out to us To try to figure this stuff out and the brave people that have been speaking out Like george you see george on social media george's go after it. All right Anthony goes after it. I don't follow everybody But we you know, I put some stuff out there and people come after my neck Claiming that I'm a conservative sellout trumpeter. You know, I'm like, look, I'm only calling it as I see it But hopefully we'll grow stronger the the conference next year is going to be big I see a lot of other content creators going to be there Um as well And I'm looking forward to it because this is what we're preparing for this is what we're preparing men for Now, I hope it doesn't get worse than that Yeah, it could I can't I can't I can't guarantee it The dark winner is coming man. The dark winner They are fucking we're gonna we're gonna fight and survive man Then I love it. Sure. Appreciate you guys man. I gotta get out of here Uh, enjoy I watched the rest of it on the playback. Good to see you brothers and uh glad to share the stage with you Yeah, thank you coach. All right, man. Thank you. All right All right, we're down to nine now the nine happy men with beards Everybody here got a beard. Oh steve man. Y'all clean. Oh, you got a little goatee. What is that there? You got a little patch man. So patch Yeah So let's start looking more at 2021 guys Uh, I thought coach gave some kind of a good preamble for that Hating it to get in a lot of detail. He had a bounce But you know, I'm thinking when he was talking there's obviously, you know economics politics masks An aftershock a bounce back from all the crap in 2020 that's gonna You know, like you say, you know bankruptcies and stuff like that Uh, people just broke not paying rent facing eviction all kinds of stuff, right? But let's also look at relationships Uh, I think there's going to be maybe even more divorces in 2021 You know, what do we guys think about uh relationships and marriages here in divorce? I mean I think there's gonna be a lot more divorces and I think there's going to be a lot more marriages as well I have a bunch of clients that have their wedding scheduled for early 2021 There's a ton of people out there that in 2020 they decided that If chaos is coming, I'm going to, you know, not be some granulated person separated from everyone else And they started pulling together, you know, I've been trying to build a community for an in-person community for a few years All of a sudden I'm interviewing new people almost every week for the community And it goes from me having to look to people finding me And so it's it's relationships as far as marriage goes. There's gonna be a lot of people getting married And then the people that shouldn't be married are going to get divorced And that's generally what happens a lot of people that should have got divorced probably years ago and should never have gotten married in the first place and We were kind of placated they could go watch their sports. They could get distracted with Stuff there's a million things happening And now they can't be distracted anymore So they got to face reality and that's maybe the reality that hey, I'm alone and should be married Maybe it's a reality that I'm alone and shouldn't be married. You know, that's that's a whole lot worse and I think it's a realignment and We'll be better after the realignment Phil we haven't heard from you too much Other than the the head the hair coming in there. Thanks man. Yeah So I see 2021 I think it's I was talking to some gentlemen this morning on another zoom and I think 2021 is going to be a case of if you really want it You're going to get it and if you're Lazy or not motivated. I don't think you're going to get it at all. I think you're going to suffer and You know, I think it's all going to be about mindset and where your mind goes with things I mean, are you going to go ahead and reach for those opportunities that are present? presented to you And laid before your feet are you just going to ignore them and carry on in your comfortable little lifestyle and how to carry on throughout your day day today? I think that I'm a little bit inverse from Noah there. I think as finances are strained In families, I think we're going to see an uptick in divorce. I don't think there's there's going to be A boom so to speak in marriages and I hate to be pessimistic about that. I'd love to see more marriages I just think Money generally is the common denominator when it comes to marriage and when finances are tight difficult strained People start getting a little sideways with each other things that normally they don't react to a certain behavior in their spouse or partner They start reacting to it things start getting a little out of control so to speak and so I think that there's going to be more divorce and Once again, I think it's about how you frame it in your mind and how you're going to approach this next year Yeah, 2020 was a horrible year, but 2021 I mean, it's a brand new year. There's so much opportunity out there Like Ivan Throne always says what a great time to be alive, right? I mean, that's I mean that those words Stick in my brain all the time whenever I feel a little pinch on something. I think about those words I'm like, man And so by that by that you mean that with the the chaos and the strife there's massive opportunity, right? Absolutely absolutely And I think So Sorry, great. No, no, go ahead Phil. So I just think that It's gonna it's gonna fall like I said to the people that want it versus the people that are just Comfortable and they don't they don't they don't have any kind of drive or ambition to better themselves or do something better for themselves so to speak whether it's uh improve your financial situation through working a little bit harder or a little bit smarter Or working towards a better relationship with your spouse or your children. I think you're going to see People that are stuck in a negative mindset spiraling down And people with a positive mindset or a mindset of hey, I want to Move forward in this direction Becoming a success Yeah, let's get foster in there the other foster Michael I'll hop in on this. So It's interesting when you look at the median age of marriage There's a lot of People have this idea that people were getting married very young their teens and that's just Not true and we know that we know marriage ages because the church kept records of it So we at least know a post reformation really well So for example back in 1700s the average age for women to get married was was right about 26 and men was 30 Right, so folks don't realize that was and it did track with finances and the only time we've had people getting married in their teens Like widespread was right after world war two because we're booming and so what what's happened is people are getting married Um, they're much older and older But it's gotten to a ridiculous point right now And I do think the a corrections coming where You you can think about marriage age is kind of like it has a a spectrum a range that runs throughout history and bounces back and forth We went outside that range in the last five years And I think uh women are going to be scared and they're right to be scared what's coming and I think they're they're going to re-evaluate Um They're willingness to get a serious boyfriend. They're going to look and a husband They're going to look for someone that's not some pushover. You know, they're not going to settle for a lot of these guys So it's going to be a really bad time for weak men And it's going to be a really good time for stronger men because women who the in other words What I think is going to happen is the so-called epiphany stage Is that that's going to move to a younger age for women right now Now how how widespread I I don't know But it's you know, women need men we wouldn't like there's no egalitarians When there's a bump in the night the guy goes downstairs to see what's going on right And there's going to be a lot of bumps in the night's moving ahead So I think uh, you know, I guess I'll split the difference between phil and and noah Yeah, this is well put and I got to say when COVID hit my thought my hope was that woman would and they kind of did right initially right You saw I had a lot of girls coming out of the woodworks that a lot of single guys did Girls getting hurt from a long time because they were scared They were scared of the lockdowns. They were scared of what was happening the virus doesn't kill everyone We're all going to die. It's like Ebola, right? That obviously, you know changed over time, but especially female behavior It's like they they had a glimpse of like I can do something better And then they just became massive horizontal fans So maybe another correction will be like michael's saying will be Maybe we'll do something better this time around rather than sell but picks on only fans Yeah, and just kind of to jump off of what michael was saying another thing that we have this misconstrued vision of When people got married is because also different classes at a different time periods So for instance in the victorian era late 1800s across europe not just simply in the uk You had The upper class You know, they'd have their their kind of coming out ceremonies for the girls when they turned 18 I believe and then they're supposed to get married by the time they were 20 But there was a different set of sort of rules because those families all had money for the most part And we watch things about that time period because people tend to want to look at period pieces for the upper class because it's more glamorous Because it's not representation representative of of entire society So just a little another side point there as far as what's going on here I mean, obviously I have to I have to calibrate for the fact that You know people work with me for certain reasons And so this may not be representative of the entire whole But I am seeing I I agree with everybody that the divorces are going up. I think they've been going up all throughout the year Uh people who have had to spend all this time with each other who you know, we're kind of just Going through with it because maybe they had kids but now that they've had to spend time with each other They're like, what have I done with my life? There's a there's a big sense of clarity about Relationships that don't really serve. They're falling apart. But I think also There's been a dramatic decline. I think in the interest Or at least a polarization in the interest in casual sex I've been seeing this more and more from from clients and Part of it could be just simply because the sort of single scene is mostly shut down But there's a deeper kind of sense that I think everybody's understanding what they really care about from this entire transitional period And even a lot of guys who have been you know, we're talking about Women and how you know, women are now kind of understanding that You know their own sort of quote-unquote shelf life But even just aside from like a looks and market perspective understanding that maybe actually I don't want this like fucking Job with with, you know, corporate job in the city You can take out all the time. Maybe this actually sucks Maybe I want a relationship. Maybe I want a family I think a lot of guys are feeling the same way too And yeah, there's a there's a subset of girls who have decided that they're just whores in general And they're going to start their only fans But I think that the girls that don't do that are all pretty strongly polarizing In the other direction towards family formation. So we may not have as phil is saying I think it's a good point We may not have marriages in 2021 just simply because of the financials But I do see relationships forming that will lead to marriages Down the line in the coming years Yeah, well put man. Hell, yeah Zach, I'd like to hear from you, man You're uh, you're the most father focused. I mean michael foster. I think will be pretty close too, but You're the the father guy the family alpha How do you see 2021 going for fathers around america? Obviously you have the man who's here the guys you work with but also I think you have kind of a good take and a good, uh Birds-eye view on just american fathers. Like where's that going to go? How do you see that going next year? Yeah, so I think they build up to 2021 began in 2020 You know, and I'm going to bring it back just a little bit and then springboard into 2021 I had an awesome 2020 I taught my kids to ride their bikes and taught them to swim We had a great time and the world went create. I don't live in florida or texas Or a south dakota whichever one so you guys are in great states my governor Is on the opposite side of the spectrum trying to shut everything down. So i'm not I don't have the luxury Or i'm not in a position where i'm living free and it's not affecting me. It's affecting us very much But I still had an amazing 2020 and my marriage is stronger and my children are stronger My relationship with them is stronger now. How did that happen? How do I have this experience while the whole world's having a different one? I think in 2020 and before I go further congratulations again pat I had that note down. That's fantastic on the little one being born. That's beautiful But to bring it to something pat was saying, you know his family is growing Why are these men having these success yet? We're in a world that's saying that this is the worst year You know men are doing terrible, you know relationship. Everything's going down the toilet I don't see that happening with the men who were living their message prior to I think we saw and I don't remember who brought it up, but the true colors are showing You saw the men who were screaming abundance They were shoving it down your throat and they had a pdf on it They could buy for 999 right now buy an abundance and as soon as there was some stress As soon as there was some pushback in the world, they snapped And they ran away and they fucking disappeared You have no idea where these dudes went and all of a sudden the heads that remained They were the dudes that were like, no This is the game all this practice all these reps we've been putting into the gym We've been talking about financial independence. Where did that go? You're not supposed to be screaming looking for your stimulus check You're supposed to be squared away not even needing that sucker. Well, Zach, I guess they sold out ebooks, man They're fresh out, you know something something got pulled off the shelf something happened But it's really interesting to see who remained the same throughout all of this like my my tone I I sort of doubled down on it trying to be more normal. I shared a lot more of my life I dropped the pen name to try to get some more connection going I did all these things because I'm like no Because things are weird and the world got wild that doesn't mean we run now It's time for us to actually step onto the field of play Everything has been training for this moment And it's interesting to see what happened to those men So for 2021 we're going to see a continuation of that and to I wish coach greg was still on here because I think his point was solid You know people are coming to us people are reaching out people are trying to improve I don't I don't have a clue what the marriage rates were when there were kings and queens back in the like I have no idea. I'm going to leave that to the pros but to me You know, whether whether your marriage is doing well or whether it's not Whether your kids are stressed out because they're their class schedule is sometimes zoom sometimes in person You don't really know what it's going to be, you know, I think Families if they're looking to improve themselves They're going to start taking actions to take away the power from the powers that be and start viewing themselves to be these sovereign individuals If you want to be better if you want to experience better if you want to be like the people who aren't struggling in 2020 or in 2021 It's because you took some responsibility for the direction of your life I think you're seeing a lot of that online and you're starting to see them come back You're starting to see these dudes creeping in the side like oh Abundance abundance by this by that women girls. What the hell ever and you're like you don't live this You this is not a part of who you are. This is a show that you're putting on to sell But at the core of your character as soon as stress is applied again, you break Where were you when all these people will get laid off and I watched so myself Fe we ran a bunch of campaigns to donate some money to these dudes to kind of provide some relief We were doing this at the grassroots level like men on this panel on our level We're raising money for other people because nobody else would do it Yet these freaking the ballers looking out for men and they want men to do well had nothing to say to these men You're on your own suckers. That's on you. Let's talk about, you know, some some totally irrelevant thing They couldn't face the hard topics because they weren't prepared for it They were prepared physically mentally. There's spirits broke. It was it was sad to see but it was necessary So for 2021, I'm hoping more people decide to find their balls and to go forward Yeah, fuck. Yeah, man. I love it. You know Go ahead. I'm excited about I was gonna say I'm excited about it because Some people are good peacetime leaders I'm best when in a fight Honestly, I made for a like I'm made for war And so when I'm not in a fight, I kind of lose focus and waste my time So to me, I'm like, this is great. This is like an opportunity to go at it and go at it hard And I think it's and you're seeing there's people that talk a big game I mean, we all know growing up in high in high school And if you were on the party scene ever the more the guy talks Rarely is he, you know, very tough? Well, we've had a lot of guys online talk a big game But the despair stuff's not gonna sell because people are like, okay You can only have to despair stuff when someone is financing it, right? Like these two guys are despairing But they still got food and they still got internet and all this now like look, there's a real crisis Coming and and guys are looking for leadership and they're willing to step up. So, yeah I'm just excited to see This chance to go at it hard and men now like have skin in the game Like you have to the guys that are getting involved have skin in the game. That's good for the manager That's good for america. That's good for the church. It's good. So, uh, I welcome the battle man. Let's do it. Let's draw blood Speaking of, uh, welcoming the battle. Welcome. John saw mess from bulldog mindset to the show today. John. Welcome What's it guys? Thanks for hopping on man. Appreciate it. Yeah Uh, since just to get you introduced to the show you've been on here before obviously, but uh, what are your thoughts on You know end of the year last red man group of the year for 2020 What are your thoughts on 2020 and then what are your some of your main predictions for 2021 what we'll see Yeah, you know, I I think 2020 was a good opportunity as a year for growth for a lot of people I think, you know, I that's how I use it obviously with all the the crap going on You know erosion of rights and personal freedoms, you know, one thing that I took from it was that What what we discovered was not a loss of freedom But in the illusion of freedom, right? There's a lot of people. I think that we're comfortable and thought that We had freedom as men in society today, which which we do not it was just it was just made clear It was just a revelation of a truth that was already out there so I'd rather know and see the truth and so What what we saw transpire in 2020 made it very very clear and that's good because now I know Exactly where I'm operating from as a man and we should all know that So so I think that's a good thing. I don't see it as a shift. I see it as something that was just revealed to us but As far as 20 You know 2021 I I think we'll see a lot more of the same I mean, I'm hopeful that this has woken up a lot of men that realize that they're going to have to do something In their life that they're not going to just be taken care of by the government and by society And so I think that's going to give us a lot of opportunity to reach a lot of a lot of men I don't expect. I think a lot of people have a rosy viewpoint. I didn't hear what anyone Anyone had said sit here as much but but in general the people that I'm that I talk to have Ten have a rosy viewpoint thinking that 2021 is going to be You know that all this is going to be done. I don't I don't see that I see things is is probably getting worse I mean, we'll see how things go so But my viewpoint is always right when when things get hard I like it because the harder that things get The the more people that give up and quit and so the less competition there is and so It's it's all good for me. I'll give me the hardest conditions and I'll I'll take them as long as it's across the board But but yeah, I don't expect any kind of big relief in 2021 There's there's just too much Stuff that's been been going on with everything. I don't want to say the name of the you know, but um The coof. Yeah Yeah, exactly I don't expect that to disappear and and this kind of thing. I think, you know, we're going to see more. I think 2021 is going to be Just as bad as 2020 as far as as far as that kind of stuff goes, but Yeah, yeah, I really like your point met early on you mentioned in the first half your response about the illusion of freedom And that really rings a bell Even living in florida, which has been awesome for this for this whole year One of the best in the union in this country by far. I think But it's the illusion of freedom. So if you look at all these governors, for example, it's mayors and you know, local politicians and stuff Very far removed from the federal government and presidency and you know senators and stuff and all that anyway They never really cared. I think about I mean, this is now obvious to us But for the average person they're realizing these people never cared about freedom They never cared about the constitution never cared about the oath all that goes out the window the minute they have What they believe is an excuse for it Oh, there's a virus you're gonna die. Oh, no more freedom for you Not for 14 days or 15 days, right? And then 30 days and then six months and then fucking nine months and then to infinity and beyond So it's uh, yeah, it's been a big red pill everyone's ass. I think If they believe that someone they voted for really cared about the constitution and freedom Well, now, you know You know these people stand because they had they had to do action or you know aggressively against freedom or for They just stand up with their balls on the line and in florida. I mean this governor has been just so awesome Like tony mentioned earlier in the show I didn't know he would be the salvage and go to form as he's vastly exceeded my expectations in florida And that and that has helped uh, you know My business continued basically because of this governor having the balls to step up and crack down on this stupid shit The lockdowns and the uh, you know the good county governor or the county mayors and city mayors and all this stuff The fact that we even did a summit, you know together all of us here, uh, sorry, no except no But uh, that was just amazing itself everyone said we couldn't do it, you know Oh, it's gonna get canceled blah blah blah. You're gonna not be able to do it But all this stupid shit and we did it and we had no problems. So Yeah, what a beautiful beautiful experience that was And that's gonna happen more and more the places that Take the ballsy approach the people that take the ballsy approach They're gonna win they're gonna continue on and people will start flocking to those places I know people that are talking about moving to florida because They've been rational about this whole thing And it's the people that are moving there are moving there to do stuff people who weren't doing anything Don't care about moving. They're just not doing anything continually But it's it's going to make a big difference and that's going to lead the realignment Of things is because it's going to realign around Where can I have freedom? Where don't I have freedom and you'll see a Coming together of people who are interested in being free even if they don't agree on other things They agree on wanting to be free. They're gonna come together Back to johan hopin Yeah, so there were two ways that I was looking at it One was phil's point on What a time to be alive by ivan, you know, it's it's that what a great mantra, you know Like what a great time to be alive. There's opportunity everywhere. I think that's fantastic I think it goes well with AJ Cortez's point that this is the way the world has always been, you know The world has been chaotic for almost all of our existence You know, and we we found very comfortable times and now we're turning back to a little bit of chaos and a little unsteady foundation And from there people are it's not the way it's supposed to be No, this is the way it's supposed to be We're not supposed to be living in a world where everything is packaged up and handed to us You have to earn what it is you want and I think we're going to see a lot You know as to what mike was just saying we're going to see a lot of this again where people are starting to Act different than their peers and you're going to be the guy who stands out a little bit Well, it's weird that you're doing all this prepping and it's weird that yeah, but guess what i'm doing well now And you're not Maybe it's a little less weird and i'm hoping that plants the seed to where People are now seeing like oh, maybe I should garden You know, maybe I should tend those seeds that you planted in me about working out and buying guns and And taking care of my money and getting it away from maybe I should start questioning Where the the government's going to govern properly or be there when I need them You know, I'm really hoping or really hoping that all the events that have played out people are going to stop saying Oh, well, it's going to get better Like no, this is how it is like this is the way honestly This is good There's a lot of change a lot of opportunity here You're not stuck in your set way you can move lanes now if you're ready But you just have to go forward and again put the balls in the trockenblock time and time and time again And you will win you will find yourself succeeding But at first you're going to have to get over that Initial, you know judgment of the peers who are trying to like no, we're fine Well, you're not until you take care of yourself and then you'll be fine because you'll make it happen Yeah, why do you need so many guns, man? Why do you need so much ammo? Why do you need so much food, man? Yeah, that's a great point Yeah, that seemed risky You know a while ago I would spend all this money and then not need it or you'd be wasting it or something but now yeah Everyone's been scrambling here to buy stuff ever since coveted Yeah, I want to shift gears a little bit. I want to talk more explicitly about economic The economy in 2021 and politics too Let's focus first on the economy In my view, I think it's very possible not guaranteed but possible We could be looking at a great depression in the coming months within a year Certainly, I think coach or coach greg or someone was talking about earlier, but You know dead is through the roof. He mentioned the dollar I mean we could see maybe the dollar collapse that could happen tomorrow Could happen five years ago it could happen in three months But I think certainly within the next this coming year it could really happen So thoughts on that I mean in terms of uh because I've been thinking about that in particular it's like I've studied uh Not crazy amount, but a meaningful amount of the collapse of the soviet union That was fascinating to me about 10 years ago. I read a couple books on it You know this articles all these things and the parallels between that in america And now seeing the country in 27 zillion dollars a debt Uh and on and on and on unfunded liabilities and everyone's broke and facing there's millions of people facing eviction now the minute these like Uh orders to block it stop and stuff So thoughts on that, uh, will the country survive? Will men make it happen? Is it going to happen? I think it's going to happen. I think we're going to do well. I have a couple points. I want to bring up uh like me my father has a uh A trade and a profession this his trade is cutting hair but his profession was uh He has a degree in manufacturing studies and there's a thing within manufacturing studies called materials science where They would take certain metals and apply pressure Pulling them apart or bending them or squishing them together using You know 50 000 pound you know, uh Hydraulic equipment that kind of thing and then they would do a cross section of the piece of metal That was either broke Or that failed and they would look at it with a micron What do they call it? Uh, what's the microscope that? That can see The electron microscope and they would see where it failed But you can only see that after the application Of pressure and I grew up in a household where my father would bring home pieces of metal embedded in acrylic That were going through the electron microscope to see where the weakness was 2020 showed us where the weakness Of man is where the weakness of the country is that's the first point second point is this That uh, if if there's any uh fans of Brian tracy out there. He's talked about fear quite a bit and He would talk about Haitian culture and the voodoo like the voodoo culture Uh, there would be kind of like this shaman voodoo guy in a village that would take bones And Throw them out and the way the bones landed he could tell your future and there were people that believed that And it was called throwing the bones or casting the bones If the bones were strewn a certain way in a certain pattern It was kind of like how the the turks would take their coffee You know that thick coffee and turn the cup upside down Then they would read the inside of the coffee cup to see how the the the coffee grounds Made a pattern and what happened is there were people Uh who believed in the whole concept of casting the bones and would go to the shaman and say You know, what does my future hold for me and the guy would cast the bones? And he would say and I don't know if this is folklore But brian tracy talks about this there's a case where he said to the man he says You're going to die and the guy died right there believing so much In the prediction of the shaman The other uh, the other thing was uh, let's play a trick on the boss at work So three people said to the boss one person said to him in the morning Are you feeling okay? The guy said, yeah, why what what's the matter? She said, oh, oh nothing second employee saw the boss in the break room and said All right, are you doing all right? He says, yeah, I'm doing fine third employee a little bit later said, uh, you don't look so well and The story says that by noon the boss went home sick because he believed in this uh This negative projection from people around him now the media and social media has done that to us Non-stop for 2020 a lot of people have folded a lot of people have died a lot of people have weakened Uh, we have it I mean honestly some of the biggest complaints originally of our group pictures at 21 were Where's the social distancing? I don't see any masks and I'm and I'm laughing at I'm thinking like because First thing I thought was god if it wasn't for the social if it wasn't for social media you know nobody Nobody would be dying like for instance, I don't see the the like What people are doing is they're looking at the media like the shaman casting the bones and uh You know brian tracy said uh about the two different shoe salesman one was sent to africa and he came back like a couple days later and said And said nobody wears shoes there Like why would you send me there? Nobody wears shoes the second salesman said wow Nobody wears shoes in africa. He viewed it as opportunity a place to sell shoes I look at 2021 Not as a year to fold. I'm like holy crap. What an opportunity in front of us and I think gentlemen I think that people will see the you're either going to be viewed as strong or crazy I don't mind either one. I'll take both yeah Another question I want to throw at you guys although feel free to comment further on economics potential collapse of a dollar or the economy Politics who knows you know, let's see what happens in the next couple weeks. Holy shit um Yeah, yeah, go ahead try them on that real fast Before shift gears. So I'm you know, I'll be a little bit on the The hopey and the side of things. I mean the the financial system is going to collapse like there's no doubt about that it's been based on fraud for decades now it's basically one big racket and but I don't think that In the process of that system being collapsed I don't think we're we're we're going to go into some big depression. It's going to be a transition of the system And I don't think it's going to be as bad as we think it's going to be. I think that they're really trying to control that Trump moved the fed. This is a very like secret thing, but he Didn't get a lot of press but back in february. He moved the fed under the control of the treasury So the fed is not really even technically at this point independent organization It's been moved back under the control of the treasury department So I and you know, a lot of his executive orders with a lot of with these with these criminals has Have said explicitly that they will confiscate the wealth and assets Of all these people. So I don't you know, some people talk about this thing called nesara. Just sorry I don't really know if I buy that fully that seems a bit much like a pipe dream that everybody just gets shit I don't like that. I don't like that kind of talk, but I do think that there's going to be a cushion For the public during the transition and I think that there's we're going to find a lot of money That I mean, I think it's like robert steele himself says that he's like cia guy This is like wall street stole about a hundred trillion dollars from main street over the past decades just through all sorts of that I you know financial manipulation and pension funds You know being being basically taken over by wall street. So I do think that we're going to see during the transition It's going to be it's going to be messy and it's going to be scary on the surface But you look at it right now. I mean all this crazy shit is going on and the economy is booming And so I think that there is some control mechanism there That's keeping things afloat and I remain optimistic That it's going to go that way that we might see some some drops, but we're not going to see any sort of catastrophe like we experienced back in 1930s or even 1970s Yeah Yeah, there's a lot of bad debt And you're absolutely right Pat that that bad debt though once it's cleared out It's in the way of the economy functioning like the economy functions at the moment despite all the bad debt Clear out all that bad debt and get a true full accounting. We don't have a full accounting of what's going on partially as you mentioned the wall street Trick trickery that they've been doing and also the big banks doing strange things with money and uh due to the federal reserve until recently being Base clock reading in the dark. So we don't we don't have a good accounting that makes investment dangerous That means people are going to be very cautious That all gets cleared out of the system Velocity can return again to the financial markets and things can start moving that have been locked up It's it's the equivalent of your pipe pipes being plugged and you're getting overflow into your house now You get that cleaned out and everything starts working again And it's it has to happen it's either going to happen this year or next year It has to happen before we can return to a more normal economy And I think what we're seeing is it's just backed up so bad that something needs to be done About it and you know, we've been putting it off for 20 years I I've talked to politicians that have been telling me this was going to happen for 20 years now And they're surprised it hasn't happened yet. They don't even understand how we could have extended it so long So basically bubbles have to burst before actual true economic growth can happen Yeah, I think uh, you know, I'm pretty heavily invested in in real estate And I've been just sitting on cash for a long time now since this whole thing started I haven't bought anything and my the reason why I'm doing that Because I've got I guess I have skin in the game here is that I'm expecting a huge crash to come Here and then I'm just going to buy up things extremely cheaply So I'm I'm pretty much banking on it and the reason why is because What we're looking at here You know under normal conditions would be just ridiculously bad economic indicators, right? I mean look at how high unemployment is right a lot of what's happening right now is everything is artificially propped up And that can't last forever. I mean, you know the the Keynesian economics the bubble Right, this is like the bubble just got inflated a huge amount, right? I mean No, now we're going to hold people over with six hundred dollar checks Right, like but but it's worked so far so far people have held over Because mostly mostly because of one thing which is like the biggest expense on a household Is their mortgage payment or their rent? And that has been in moratorium. So As soon as that disappears and then people have to start making their payments again They're not going to be able to make their payments. They're not going to make their rent They're not going to make the mortgage payments. And so just like in 2008 how the you know How everything collapsed that I see it happening again Maybe at a larger scale because there's no way that it only takes a little bit like when you look at 2008 It wasn't like there was a big amount of unemployment or anything It was just that that bad debt Which the toxic loans whatever you you know the credit swap defaults and all that default credit swaps all that stuff But what it was it was just a slight shift just enough people Defaulted on their mortgages just enough to push it over the edge that the whole The whole Card house collapsed and we're in a worse condition than than now so than then so What I'm expecting to happen is that that we'll see that that play out and if you look at another good indicator to look at Is the mortgage interest rates like the 30 or fixed in 15 year? So those are the lowest ever historically and they keep on dropping and so you have to really ask yourself why like what Not not why from like what what factors are driving it down instead. You have to look at it from why what factors like Who's investing in that right who's buying that because what happens is fannie Mae freddy mac They package up these mortgage loans right at that particular rate And then they they sell them as a solid like triple a investment Okay, so the reason why mortgage rates are dropping regardless of what the media is telling you or anyone else is telling you A logical reason why mortgage rates are dropping is because the people that and the insurance companies And the hedge funds that are willing to invest into mortgage back securities They're only willing to They're they're willing to accept that small of an interest rate because the rest of the Of the of the potential Things that they could put the money in are so risky and volatile right now So that's a predictor of what what the the general the people with the real big money that are buying Market back securities think about the rest of the economy and the stock market So the only good thing I see Is is bitcoin? At this point, you know, I think cryptocurrency is but you know, you can It doesn't mean that's an absolute secure thing, right? I mean, it's not it's not unprecedented I mean there was a time in the united states where It was illegal to hold gold and you could go to jail if you didn't turn in your gold so I don't expect that That cryptocurrency is going to necessarily be the savior in this case So it we'll see what what happens if everything else collapses and cryptocurrency goes up It it could be a really dangerous situation. That's where having those guns may be really useful. Yeah John I have a question for you. You talked about 2008 to 2011 I'm you know, I run a business and my business was Luckily it made it through that but I've watched a lot of businesses fail So the question I have for you is do you think you say the bubble's gonna burst? Do you think it's gonna be worse? You said you think it's gonna be worse, but aren't those Packages that they that they put together with the mortgages. Don't you think that people are aware of that? What happened before with the credit people talking bad? Yeah, I mean really, you know, if anybody has seen that movie the big short That's kind of a great explanation of what happened Back then I mean our portfolio just Whittle away and realistically within about 10 months I mean there's a couple of things one one is that You know, it was it was toxic loans right that like I mean There was some credit default swaps where they're ensuring the toxic loans and then and playing with that and making a derivative Off of that but in this case what it boiled down to was toxic loans And I don't see how you could have more toxic loan like the most toxic loan I could imagine that a bank would hold right now is one that's in deferment To someone who doesn't have a job who doesn't have to pay mortgage payments for a year Right like uh and and and it's fine. It's fine right now. See it's fine right now Because and it's the same thing that happened This is this is why it cascades down is because the guy that doesn't have the job that's in deferment That's making that's not making his mortgage payments for a year The bank's holding that that loan and they're fine because it's not upside down because prices are Have been going up Right, but as soon as prices turn and they start to go down then they go down like then they drop dramatically because as soon as those All of those loans are like they're floating. They're above water As soon as that that water level those loans go below water that water level rises Uh, and then they're all just slightly below water then they all drop dramatically because now they're all completely toxic worthless loans because any loan A loan isn't toxic even if someone's not if if someone let's let's put this way right Let's say you have a loan You you're holding a loan for $200,000 on this house But it's worth $300,000 and the guy's not making any payments on it's in default for like $30,000 Doesn't matter. It's still great that loan is perfect I'll buy that loan because there's there's $70,000 worth of equity you can repossess that property and And and and it's it's profitable you make more money repossessing the property than you would on the loan payments You know in the in the short term so so that's great But as soon as that property but if you have that same loan and that property is worth $190 That's that's a completely toxic loan And and it's worthless and the and the homeowner then walk walks away because they don't want to Continue paying on that loan. They don't want to try and you know pay money on a property that That isn't worth worth the money that they all that they owe more than it's worth So that's when you have this big Cascade of foreclosures that that happened. It's sort of this this chain effect that that that occurs So so that's what mine What really comes to mind too from your conversation between the two of you, uh, you know, you're matching 2008 Obviously the financial crisis then all that wasn't that long ago. I was you know, just a couple years at high school then But what comes to mind is the country was in a lot less debt then I don't know what the national debt was then it was probably what 10 12 trillion or something like that Whatever it was. It was way less than now, which is over 27 plus unfunded liabilities Which are like closer to 200 trillion or something crazy So that's kind of the There's gonna be a difference between that and now that also comes to mind Maybe have some thoughts on that because that the debt has to be at least double now what it was in 2008 Nevermind stewed loan debt, which has been has ballooned to over a trillion dollars mostly held by a young woman Uh, all kinds of credit card debt. I mean, it's just it's like the debt is fucking everywhere Like everyone's in debt. Everything's in debt Uh, and now you have that affects the federal government. Maybe the dollar would uh, I mean, do you see a dollar collapse coming? Do you have I mean, what do you think the odds of that are along with a stock or a Real estate collapse john Well the dollar I mean the interesting thing is So the reason why we we're not in the depression right now Is only because the dollar hasn't collapsed because the the dollar is a reserve the world reserve currency, right? that what that allows us to do is to print dollars And and to not feel the effects of it, right? Because what we're because okay, so when you print dollars, we're in the federal government prints dollars It's just a form of taxation But instead of taxing individuals specifically it taxes the entire world, right? So the u.s. Government right now is taxing the world every time they print a dollar. They're basically they're taxing china. They're taxing Austria they're taxing every single person who holds a dollar because their dollar is is essentially worth less, right? And that also makes the stock market go up, right? Because the stock went okay, so when you print money in the stock market goes up The reason why the stock market goes up is is not because you've made a more stable economy It's because you've devalued the the currency and so those the the stocks that the representation of those companies It requires more dollars for them to be worth the same amount one share to be worth the same amount so it's just a big illusion, right and so But the reason why you're able to do that Or the u.s. Government's able to do that right now is because the dollar is the world reserve currency so If if that isn't the case and what I mean by world reserve currency is that basically When you're you know, so we don't really think about this But let's say that that you have, you know hundreds of millions of dollars and you're trying to figure out What you're trying to do is you're trying not to lose money, right? So big governments You know big big families that have a lot of money what they're trying to do is they're trying to find a value store store for their wealth So that it doesn't disappear, right? And so most most countries they trade in dollars or they hold their money in dollars Because that's the most stable currency, right? There's nothing else you could really like you could hold gold That's really difficult. What else are you going to hold like you don't want to hold the Japanese yen You don't want to hold, you know, whatever other currency the dollar is the one that if you feel like if you if you hold the dollar It's probably not going to lose too much value, right? So that's what everyone in the world is doing right now for the most part that's why it's the reserve currency for the world, but If if we lose that And and people start and countries start using other things for example, bitcoin is is one that is really Poised to to take over that that status, right? If bitcoin's too unstable right now But let's say that major institutional investors get into bitcoin and it becomes stable Then everyone will say well shit the best thing I could do with my money is put in bitcoin because that's the most stable asset It keeps value as best as possible and the whole world would do that shift off the dollar A lot of other countries have been trying to to do that as well to get their currencies to become The reserve currency But if that were to happen and the dollar would eluse that status Then all that inflation would suddenly We would suddenly hyper inflate because all of that inflation that's been held back because of the of taxing the entire world That wouldn't be possible anymore and then that debt would become Crippling right right now the debt isn't crippling because it doesn't matter because the debt is just a game It's just like everyone is worried about the debt But i'm not worried about the debt because the debt is just it's just a joke because it's just like okay Well, what do we do? Do we put the money over here and put it on the on a negative number on the balance sheet? Or do we put a positive in the plus number in the in the treasury by printing more dollars? Like it doesn't really matter which one you do right either either one It's just it's just shifting the numbers So it's a joke either way right because when when the government is budgeting and spending money What what money are they spending right? It's it's a it's a it's a conception because they're they're just printing the money anyway So it doesn't it doesn't matter right so it's that's all fake Yeah, yeah, but but if the dollar is not the world reserve currency Then the debt matters because now you can manipulate the currency To the degree that you can you can manipulate within the country And when like take take any country that that has gone through hyperinflation venezuela, mexico Japan at one point right what what happened would they don't have a reserve currency? So when they print dollars what happens is they feel it big time super inflation Happens they have to keep on printing. Why do they why does did venezuela spiral into? You know a hyperinflation because they had to keep on printing more dollars to keep on paying the debt payments Right that was that was the key and so as you keep on printing now those debt payments because what happens also uh The magic of inflation is that if you if you get into inflation situation And a lot of a lot of people want to actually create inflation because it reduces debt Because that's the one thing like if if you inflate if you get into a high level of inflation All that debt that all becomes meaningless So if we do go through hyperinflation debt won't matter anymore the fix that you're saying Yeah, that doesn't it's not because it's not adjusting with the inflation Interesting and it sounds to me like the inflation is a huge rubber band basically that we're pulling on And eventually you keep pulling on a rubber band like when you're a kid may be fucking around eventually just snaps And then you get and then it stings or you get hit in the fucking eye or something Yeah, and you don't see it coming because it takes a while for this to happen well, john You pointed out something important too that um, there's this transition point the margin Where things go from being solvent to unsolvent and that happens instantly So people tend to expect everything to happen on sort of an equal curve But with finances things tend to be it looks like nothing's happening Nothing's happening because the pressure is building and then all of a sudden the explosion happens And that there will be no warning. It's just gonna all you got to do you wake up slow the slow the spread dollars It's no longer the word reserve currency. So sell the spread Michael What a lot of people don't seem to realize is first off how much usd china has a lot The other thing they don't understand is what drives crypto I I'll just put it this way. I sell shovels to people in crypto I work with a lot of crypto people and the big issue with crypto is cheap miners and cheap Energy electricity. They're actually doing a lot of mining down in venezuela right now, but uh, china Uses because they don't follow epa. They don't follow any environmental guidelines the amount of crypto mining. They're doing as a nation is insane Right and so china's Plan the whole board they're thinking about this stuff and a good book that I would recommend is a book called the mandibles By lionel strivers and basically they walk through how this all could play out and when you read the book it's like It's like a new 1984, but it basically lays out, you know Our those of us that lean towards austrian sort of understanding of economics explains how this would all actually happen And it's a real risk right now. The other book that I would recommend Would be the coming neo feudalism and I I really do think that's what's happening We're seeing uh, basically the third estate the people in the middle removed and we're going to have a bunch of Tectocrat oligarchs at the top And then a bunch of serfs that have no property. They have no money and and you can't help The conspiracy theories right themselves right what you're watching them kill small businesses for example with the vaccines The vaccines will be mandated through corporations not to the government Corporations just say hey, this is a danger to our employees. Where are you going to go? You know the small businesses are being killed on purpose like by these big These big corporations that are almost all concentrated in the area of technology And so this is like what this stuff is playing down playing out in real time right in front of us It's like dystopian Crazy nightmare and it's just we've all been brainwashed To think such things as conspiracy, but it's like right in front of you like it's right there It's a wild time to be alive. There's great opportunities, but it is It's going to get 2021 is going to be a wild ride but By the way, we got a super chat. I need to call out real quick from coach eo I think he was the guy We're trying to get in the show, but stream yard capped out at 10. Maybe we can get him in Full house your 2020 was a direct reflection of who you were and what you did or didn't do in 2018 to 2019 Well, but The wise ones are on a vacation the unconscious are panicking move wisely and boldly in 2021 Yeah, I got to agree. I don't see another way to live in 20 I like living that way in general, but especially, you know, like a wild 2021 like we're talking about Yeah, it's hard. It's hard to imagine next year going smoothly and like super peaceful, you know Like oh, 2020 one's gonna be like disneyland. You know, just fucking go chill man get drunk and chill I don't think so that Yeah, it's gonna depend on how much It's gonna depend on how many people wake up in the end how how disclosure works out I mean, that's that's really the level of violence is going to be correlated with that Which is why I think, you know, things have been so drawn out You know, it's like why why things just weren't dropped immediately. I think that there's been a massive massive public pacing program But I just wanted to say one last thing before I got to run Just based on what michael was saying. This is a pretty well known communist strategy To destroy businesses in the middle class It's basically decool accusation the same sort of shit that they did in in russia and You know, we have this ultra rich very very and i'm not talking about the 1 percent We're talking about the point. Oh, oh 1 percent That own all you know trillions of dollars, but they still don't own more money than the american middle class The american middle class is still wealthier Then this sort of cabal that's sort of wealthy group and they don't like that because it's a massive threat and they're on their power when you have 400 million guns in america. That's like 10 times more than the u.s. Military possesses Right, so you've got extremely armed and prosperous middle class. I mean, they've been trying gradually for years and succeeding to diminish the middle class But this is this is like, you know, the communist playbook that tried to Crush it entirely through all these completely nonsensical measures and we all know I mean, they've been lying about this stuff from the very beginning when it comes to vaccines They've been lying about the entire agenda. They were saying back in february early march masks don't work Then they're like, well, actually we you know, we just told you that because we wanted to make sure medical professionals got the masks and they said 15 days to slow the spread And then that morphed Kept continuing over and over again It was then like well, you have to either get the disease or you have to get the vaccine So we have to hit herd immunity Now they just removed wHO just removed The fact that if you actually naturally contracted this virus Then you would then that no longer counts. You have to get vaccinated regardless They've also bumped the vaccination rate to 90% And so now it's like you have to get a mRNA vaccine, which is highly experimental changes your dna expression it's filled with dna from aborted fetuses and You got to get this thing Which causes side effects in 70% of people adverse reactions in 3% of people severe severe side effects Versus, you know the virus which you have a greater chance of dying from a shark attack than you do from the virus So it's all bullshit. It's all bullshit. And I think we just have to keep saying it's fucking bullshit Because they're they're keeping it down for obvious reasons. You can look at the the annual death rate We have had the same number of people maybe less die this year than in prior years and so much of that has been suicide and things related to business collapse and economic issues so they're going to keep moving the goalpost but You know a lot of sheep are just going to take it anyway And we have to we have to stand up for that and I think that that's where our advantage comes in And that's why I mean 2021. I do think that there's going to be There's going to be turmoil. I think especially psychologically speaking, you know, this is like a it's an information war And we've seen in past wars or so these casualties They're going to be people who are so mentally broken from this Kind of sci-op that they're going to be wearing masks for years They're they're going to be like they're they're still going to be freaked out They're going to be afraid of people touching them. They're just going to be completely fucked up forever but There's a lot of people who can be let out of this And I think that's the opportunity of this of this group. So So, yeah Pat, thank you sir for the monologue. I appreciate working with you this year more than ever Fuck yeah, man. You got a good 2021 ahead. I'll see you. See pat The fresh patriarch pat stephen. We'll see if coach you Okay, no, thanks sir. Appreciate it man. See bro Steve phil, uh, let's see the chatter Yeah, let's have some commentary from Steve and phil. Uh, I think everyone else here has had pretty good stints on today's show Steve phil, Steve. How you doing, man? No, I'm good. No, no, I was just hey, man When you were the thing about being a man that people have to learn you sit back in and listen, man You uh as men, you know, you learn from men um But I wanted to say a few things. Uh, well, I wanted to congratulate pat. He's gone already, but Uh, the thing I wanted to say real quick about only fans just because Uh, she's gouging people for money. There's always going to be that one man. She's giving the money too So that's something that people got to think about as well. Um, also, I always talk about and I mean, george probably white chocolate It's probably going to smile on this one But I've always talked about men having to learn how to fall into respect And they don't know how to do that and they don't know how to fall in respect for themselves You can't get old. You can't have a woman respect you if you don't respect yourself And that's some of the problems that we're having with a lot of men today And you know as far as going into 2021, um, you know, you know What we've seen so far which you where I commend you on is that we had finally we had a convention for women and and it would come for it was something very major was something that Nobody's doing and the best thing about it was it was coming from men. It wasn't It wasn't people just saying well, you know what uh, bake a bake a uh, bake a cake or something like that It was really some hardcore men Telling these women that you need to get your act right if you want to be with someone like me um, but for 2021, you know, I always talk about the enemy at the door I mean, you know, sometimes, you know, unfortunately, you know But those that follow these men on this panel, they they're going down the right pathway But for those that follow some of the others They're the ones that are the dangerous ones that got to be careful about because These are the ones that are taking you away from your name. They're taking you away from your bloodline They're taking you away from your legacy And they're trying to put words into you. I mean, I they got these guys right now telling these young men not to jerk off Uh, to to have enough energy to I guess talk to a woman or something I don't know. They're just like coming up with with things all the time That a lot of young men this is going to be the problem for 2021 is that A lot of the young men Love the easy pathway and I know a lot for a lot of us. We were before the internet So that's what makes this is really great because a lot of us came before the internet So we've seen the hard times we've seen, you know, having to go up the mountain both ways So to speak to be able to Function as a man. So for the men that have been before the internet, this is just a walk in the park I think someone was mentioned about aj. Uh, it's always been this ways. This is how it is It's just that we've been blinded by Having everything come to us real fast. Uh, just, you know, we can press a button and we can get information We can press a button to get food We can just press a button press a button press a button to where these young men started to get so comfortable They started to follow those that want to keep them comfortable instead of keeping them Feeling like, oh no that, you know, I got to look to myself to be something greater than what I am And the last thing I want to say is that, you know, the the good thing about this group of men Is that we are here to show every young man out there and ask myself as well That you are the only one of your kind and I always say this you look at your fingerprint You are the only one of your kind in this world It's how you see yourself before anybody can see you any any other way So as long as they have men that are telling them it's not it's not going to be Rainbows and sunshine Sometimes it's going to be a punch in the chest But the most disingenuous thing you can do that, you know, others are doing Is that they are pulling these young men away from who they are their name and stuff And they're just trying to give them a word a phrase a thought process, you know I won't say that I always say hope heard of me. I always say hope heard of me. I always say work I always say hope heard of me, but when when you have people Like that that will use that word to scare you into running away from yourself That is where the problem comes in that and then when you have men like us that are trying to show you How to be a man it kind of goes against the grain and he and it kind of confuses the individual so You know it's it's it's just always going to be the justice league our side versus the legion of doing their side And it's just up to the person whether they want Uh quick fixes very well put Steve. I love it that that just sums up at the end there. I think Some of the main timeline history of the entire manisphere From day one in the 90s ross jeffrey is an island roger curry all these guys To mystery to now it's quick fixes versus like deep work fundamentals understanding woman understanding yourself being a man That that kind of intellectual civil war has been going on forever And I don't know if it's ever going to end or resolve itself or whatever But it leaves me in a great question because start with phil wherever wants to get jumped into us So tony bruno the other day asked coach greg adams. How is the manisphere failed men? And I want to end in that question individually for the panel Uh for today's show kind of go through one by one So how is the manisphere failed men if it has I don't want the question to be loaded you can disagree But how is it failed men in your view? I'll start with tony bruno the man who asked the question pop the question Well, I've asked that question a few times and boy, that's a difficult question even for me But I think it's I think it's for me. It's a simple answer. Um I want to align with what coach greg said about When guys enter the manisphere a lot of times it's through trauma So what happens with trauma you start looking for content or looking for someone to Help you with that trauma And I don't want to say that you're a weak man But you might be a man that is in some pain a divorce a breakup something like that But I think it's important that When you're when you enter the manisphere you enter the right part of the manisphere. That's for you at that time So if you're coming out of a divorce you might not you don't want to maybe be in that Pick up corner of the manisphere, but that pickup corner is going to want to keep you there So you might want to go to somebody like coach greg where or steve the dean Where it's about being a man It's about taking control of your life And then once that is is is handled then you can move maybe to that You know learn how to interact with women again if you've been in a marriage But I think the manisphere pulls guys into a certain corner and won't let them out And guys get stuck in that corner and won't come out of that and a lot of guys I think Don't think for themselves They take everybody's word as as this is this is the word of god. This is this is what I have to do Where I don't I think a lot of content creators don't give you an option to go anywhere else You're in that corner and that's it if you're not if you leave this corner Well, you're this you're that So I think that's kind of where the manisphere and content creators and things like that have have failed men a bit I love it. Tony. It really the word that comes to mind from what you just said is hyper tribal It's like tribal to the point of absurdity. Like you don't even oh i'm migtail. I'm never anything else Or i'm red pill community. I'm never anything else and fuck everyone else yet stupid I love it next Yeah, I'll jump on this real quick I think that the manisphere has failed men in several different areas. The first one is not staying on topic and basically You know before all this virus crap blew up In politics and everything else and trump and everything else There was some quality content being put out by gentlemen in the manisphere content creators however you want to call them And it's like they shifted their message from directing A positive approach for gents to straighten their lives out whether it's Suffering through a divorce and figuring out how to come out on the other side in one piece or half a piece at least Raising your kids dating whatever it is to now. It's all about politics and masks Okay, that's why I've tweeted several times stay on topic. It's it's really been disheartening for me this year to watch the quality of gentlemen Beat these drums of something they can't even control right so it's like oh you need to be the oak you need to Be stoic, but here you are reacting over something you have no control over And that is a concerning thing for me because there's a lot of guys a lot of men especially that are looking up to these content creators because let's let's face it. They've built themselves a solid platform. They've got a solid following and They're kind of just kind of left holding the bag so to speak right and it's tough Where they could get information on how to navigate a situation they're in Through experience of an older gentleman like one of us on this panel um now they're getting information on vaccines Dude, you're not a vaccine specialist You're a guy that's survived divorce and can help another man get through it You're a you're a father and this is how you become a better father. I'm a pastor. This is how I Am building churches, you know things things to that nature I think that a lot of men are just kind of left holding the bag and I feel inside that basically These young men especially the young ones and I'm here to tell you the younger generations. We're talking anywhere from 16 to 20 Are freaking weak and I've had a good test of that this year because my daughter She supported the football team And then we went to the playoffs. They love they lost and these these boys were crying over losing a football game Right I mean you're a senior in high school. What are you crying for? This is great texas texas attitude It's a You know and so the way I look at this is The hardness matters and these especially the younger generations that are looking up to older gentlemen um If you're listening to this now or if you listen to this in the future Align yourself with men That have been through the experiences you're suffering through right now because that's the only way you're going to Figure your way through a situation. You can't go around it men that speak from experience And tested hands Have far more information than any gumroad course you can buy And that's that's where I feel that the manisphere has failed Men to in this year specifically. I noticed that this year more than a huge stress test this whole year for everybody including the manisphere Yeah Earlier in the show. I don't know if it was you or someone else they mentioned that too though that it just Oh, it was zack. Maybe the abundance people all the abundance the abundance and then all of a sudden the abundance disappeared the account went private Yeah, it's like it's like all the the abundance was just decadence dressed up as abundance Absolutely Well, I'll go with I think uh, what's happened is is that uh, what's failed the manisphere Is that you have a lot of males and men clothing? They've got a lot of males that portray and act like they're men you have a lot of kids out there They just a lot of people going for the money bag instead of the information They're sitting around saying, you know little kids that just got out of high school Their nuts haven't even dropped from their stomach and they're trying to tell other people how to be men By you know, not not getting married and not having kids and not pushing legacy and not pushing name Um, they want you to learn their language their thoughts their actions Their way learn my language and all this other stuff where they're not teaching valuable values beliefs principles They're not teaching character. They're not teaching uh tendencies and not teaching dreams They're not teaching how to go after what you want. They're not teaching how to have stand on your laws your rules Your codes your principles your narratives your mission statement your legacy statement They're not teaching any of that they're teaching you let's go ahead and blame Let's put the blame on women. Let's blame the flowers the trees Let's blame the clouds is blame everybody else, but let's not look in the mirror Let's just keep looking out the window and less and and not be a man So it's it's a it's like an internal war that we're going through because We're a lot of us are being seen as the bad guys For giving the honest truth versus the ones that don't know anything They want to sit there and say well, I'm the truth. Don't follow this guy. Don't follow that guy. Look at him He doesn't know what he's talking about. Oh my god. He's married. Oh my god He has kids. Oh my god. He's had all that's lies. That's not true because the world doesn't work that way So, uh, I think it's a fail because people are taking the word Manifest fear and they're using it for their own agenda and that I feel is one of the problems, man I'll go um So I don't know if I want to talk about failures as much as weaknesses that I see in the manisphere Probably an easier way to tackle it So I didn't come into the manisphere because of any particular problem for me personally just trying to help men in the churches and And I found out that they were going to these sources. I wanted an understanding and I found a lot of it to be helpful Uh, I'd say two weaknesses. I noticed is one I call the asperging tendencies of manisphere So it's like it seems like these people are on the uh the spectrum. They're very precise about their labels Like if someone calls me purple pill look dude I don't care who do I care about your labels and none of that stuff matters to me And they have these um purple pill this pill that pill and mctown and these labels that they're very You know concerned about and that's something it's just this really precise way Of dealing with ideas that isn't healthy and good and and I think it's because people that are kind of socially awkward And tend that way are drawn into the manisphere to try to find ways to relate to other men and women The other thing is that the manisphere has uh kind of reflects what it was founded on which is pua Which is a short term sexual strategy. It's a way to get a woman to sleep with you more or less Right. It's not a long term strategy at all And so a big problem that I've seen in uh a lot of sectors of the manisphere Is that it's kind of like what steve was saying about it's not about legacy Uh long term goals, you know that it's all really small and that's not an you know people are Basically most sectors of the manisphere is like uh the red pill is like a semester. It's not It's not a it's not a four-year degree. It's so it's so Small and narrow minded and that's why these groups can't sustain themselves really because they They they just get people stuck on the same content over and over You know, I went over and looked at another channel. I was curious to see what their their show titles were But it's the same old same old crap that you've seen uh repackaged in the red Red pill community over and over again. You wonder are these people growing past this, you know Are these are these people getting a wife? Are they having children? Are they building businesses? Do they have any sort of legacy at all and uh, so I guess if purple pill means that uh, I have a happy marriage and a lot of kids in a farm and lots of influence You know, I'm I'm in charge of a church of 120 people. That's four weeks old. Okay so Some of these guys lecture me on leadership, but I'm like dude leadership on a YouTube channel. I mean good for you. You've built a following But what what's the reality of your life and don't you want more than that? So I think one weakness is just is very small Aspergian Way of going at life and I'd like to see it grow past that and I think it is I mean this panel you hear the conversation we're having here I think honestly, I'd part with you a little bit phil I pushed back a little bit Is that part of being a man is having Uh opinions about things that people are concerned about so we can lead them through that So understanding what's going on politically and with vaccines and all that stuff We And maybe what you're talking about is people are just going overboard and freaking out But uh, we have to be able to make decisions because soon You know, it's not just our kids that we have to decide if we're going to vaccine But our friends are looking to us for guidance and and who they should and shouldn't trust And so I think it's good for us to teach men how to think at the next level But first take care of yourself and then build out from there. So All right Excellent monologue Next up we still have uh, I think bruno john and zack right I'll jump in here. So What I would say the biggest thing is Is that Biggest failure is is promoting the victim Mindset the victim mentality, right? It echoes a lot of what what a lot of other men have said on this panel which is that I see so many People blaming someone else blaming women blaming society Not looking like as men it doesn't matter, right? There's too much of a focus. I think in the men's sphere About what other people are doing. I don't give a fuck what other people are doing It doesn't it doesn't change your responsibility as a man. What makes you a man isn't How successful you are in relation to other people or how you're perceived it is what you are It's what you accomplish and what you become yourself and that's Where the focus should be, right? I feel like there's a lot of content. There's a lot of people that are Stroking people's egos when When they need to be called up to be a man, right? If you think about rights of initiation, you know back in the in the tribal days and whatnot It wasn't there there was no blaming other people the only thing that mattered was what you needed to do All of it was on you, right going through the trials of becoming a man. It was something that you earned And it was hard to do They didn't have trials of in the you know tribes that initiated men They didn't say oh come over to our tribe because we have cookies over here and it's not your fault That you can't get a girl in that tribe come over to this tribe We'll we'll give you lots of women and and and and and we'll give you meat And you know they said hey if you want to actually be a man go out into the fucking wilderness For two weeks and prove that you're a man and if you die Well, we'll just have we'll just have other kids and and and boys and we'll grow them up and they'll become men That's it. That's that's how life is And so to tell men any other message Is is wrong right to try and tell men that it's it's someone else's fault Is is the wrong message we need to be telling men How to become men how to actually step up and how to how to fend for themselves You know how to internally change themselves as opposed to all this blaming and crying about things and then the other I think piece of this also Is really the the schisms the the splits right this vocabulary this echo chamber of all of the These this terminology some of it is useful most of it is not useful because it just gets it just gets used as a weapon to bludgeon people with right Oh you you you you're you're doing this you're you're this kind of person you're this That that doesn't that's not useful. It's not helpful and and just the the division that we have right so We're very small, you know in the in the scope of like the manosphere in the scope of like popular culture And society we're like like a fraction right of a of a percent of of the pie right So every just about everyone like we're in a little bit of a of a bubble because Because we tend to hang with with the same people and we have some of our views reinforced here But in the general world We're like a radical We're radicals right and and and we're We're ridiculous right to the general world, which is it's fine because you know, we know what we know but what i'm saying here is that In order for us to faction and to fight amongst each other That we are we're dividing an already divided you know Group right like we're already so so divided and so small That we agree on 90 percent of things I would say for the most part right even even even the people that That I disagree with with the most on the facts of of the situation of society of marriage and Relationships and and things I think we probably agree with 90 percent So what I feel like would make sense and what what I would like to see in the men's sphere is a more of a coming together More of a saying like look Okay, you're saying this thing. That's fine. I disagree with that. Let's have a discussion. Let's have instead of instead of going off into little little tribes and having these factions and In hating the other groups and and saying that they're wrong. Let's just have open discussions and debates Let's have an arena where we fight things out As men and then figure out and then let let other people decide. Okay. What makes more logical sense What what's correct as opposed to saying no no no come over here come over here We'll tell you the real truth you want to know the real truth because again Like I I know the things that a lot of men on this panel are saying is is correct And that men should be listening to them But if you're just some guy coming into this space and there's all these people that are like No, no, no these guys don't know what they're talking about come over here. We got the real stuff over here You don't know how do you know right? You're going to pick one of them? Which one's most most charismatic you're going to go over there You're going to hear all of their vocabulary Which is the opposite of this other groups vocabulary and then you're going to buy into all of that And then and then whatever and you're never learning to think for yourself instead What I think we all need to promote is is to have an open arena to say hey Look, okay. We've got someone here that has a completely different viewpoint From the other quote camp. Let's let's discuss. Let's have a discussion. Let's talk about this Let's let's let's hear these things out and let's try it in the in the in the real court Here in and let the the idea stand for themselves or not stand for themselves, right this way We can be unified against who's who's our real enemy in the hemisphere, right? Who's our real enemy the real our real enemy is feminist our real enemy is oppressive government Our real enemy is the mainstream culture and in all of these things Especially yeah the woke. Yeah, exactly. Yeah SJW and so if we're spending our energy fighting each other instead of fighting those things Then then we're going to we're going to be just as ridiculous as the world thinks we are And that's that's what I would like to see change That's where I think the man's fear has has failed the most is there's so many good ideas so many great men in here But there's so much fighting and in fighting and squabbling as when when we're like 90% On the on agreement on most of the things or most most guys are here to try and help other men so Having more of an open debate open discussions And and stop blaming people and and and factionalizing is is where where I can see us going that that will Will will really have an effect on on young men. So All right, who's up next Zach I think and George Bruno Sure, so the way, you know, I agree with everything the men have said prior to me. Uh, just On tune with the theme of their their message as well as the reminder, especially bulldog I think he just brought it all together in that we are a small group of dudes and we're splitting ourselves to find out Who's who's truly on the path? But there is an element that I think does need to be discussed and that is what are we trying to do here? Why what are we trying to get men to do here? You know, and I think that's where I see where the biggest issue is Is that we're Some men cling on to this perception of success and this perception of winning Instead of actually succeeding in winning, you know, you can very easily put something online To where you are the most red pill and you know all the phrases You know all the words you know how to type in the angle that you can really spread your message And that's cool, man But that's that's not the aim of being a man Because when the world comes in and pushes you well, shit, you're really fat You're also really weak. You're also really struggling with these relationships. You know, you're not really working on yourself But online nobody knows that because there's this perception that you are a well-rounded individual And nobody can see behind those walls and that's what I really love about foe A lot of the men in this panel have met men from inside the fraternity of excellence fills in the group You know, I can't tell you how many fires I've had to put out, you know these past two weeks of men just coming together and they're they're smashing ideas And we're trying to figure out. Well, what's the most optimal way to operate? And here's the thing it's gonna be different And so as men we're figuring out on our own as these guys hit these new, you know, uh, not plateaus But new levels of self, you know optimization and development They're like, well, this is a whole new area for me. Well, what's right look like now? I've evolved to this new man like now what am I doing and somebody else's do it this way Somebody else to do it that way and now we've got like this three-way fight as to what's right And it's great because like strange ideas, but they're also saying hey, here's what I did with my family Oh, and my family's good now. Check this out. They're not saying Here are these words and these vague ideas and this big theory as to how it should work It's like no, this is the life I'm living and here's what I'm doing and here's how Here's how it's working for me That's totally different than what we see in the manuscript That's totally different than what we see in this space a lot of the times it's a username Or it's a random dude on a on a screen and all you know is screen time And again, this goes back to my earlier point I've been sharing so much more of my freaking life not because it gets more likes It's because it's like, look, these are really my children. This is really my wife You know, I shared getting sober. I dropped the pen like all all these milestones where I could kind of just do it I'm doing it openly to be like this This is why I do what I do and here's why I'm sharing with you what I'm sharing with you It's not theory. It's it's life and sometimes I'm jacked up So somebody will roll in like hey man, you know, I've ever thought about doing it this way Do you know how hard it is for somebody online to change their opinion? I don't know if you guys have ever argued with anybody But that's the hardest thing in the damn world for so to be like, oh, I'm wrong I'll change the way I do this I do that shit all the time because my goal is not to be perfect My goal is to become better day after day after day And why did my 2020 rock because in 2018 I listened to people telling me to get my shit together in 2019 I listened to people telling me to get my shit together. So in 2020 I didn't have to worry about maintaining a facade I just continued to do what I was doing You know, and I think a lot of men here if you put it all, you know in a sandwich We're all saying the same damn thing in the real world Mentally physically spiritually you need to dial your shit in And follow all these men here swap take the notes. They're sharing Apply that to your life. See what works. See what doesn't I'm not telling you, you know, and I really like what Mike said You know for me it was get married have kids like I wanted that But if you're an international playboy who wants models and models cool But you better live the shit out of that You better be honest in what you're doing with that and go ahead and that's your life path And you do your thing brother, but you do it well and you win honestly and authentically So I'm not saying justify my life choices I'm saying if you're going to do something else Do it not for the clout or the the paths in the back from the internet But because it's what you want to do, you know, and then just find those guys and go do it But to me it's we have to focus on actually winning as men and not just being perceived as winning as men All right Last up, mr. George. I'll go after you actually and mr. George Bruno Welcome back on the show what you got men. What's the man is for failed men? I like the idea when I work one to one with people I say this Where were you weak? and where were you strong and let's What do they say wash prints and repeat the areas where you were strong and let's avoid the areas where we were weak I come from an era where My football games in high school were filmed on film Not even on video on film and I remember Literally on monday afternoons at football practice watching films literally cellulose film Of where we dropped the ball where we fucked up and I remember that coach just Reverse forward reverse forward and he would just show you how you fucked up And you were embarrassed because you were in front of like your team And what's fascinating is we keep making the same mistakes over again. There is no red pill 201 guys I can learn everything I need to know about female nature and in With a few books over a weekend. We don't need to have a movement I need to learn about my nature because my nature is constantly changing if I keep looking and studying female nature I'm gonna lose constantly my eyes are never on myself then I'm never looking at myself I end up doing a thing that I learned many years ago called blame shifting. It's never my fault It's always someone else's fault the man a sphere has spent way too much time energy and resources Talking about female nature Hours hundreds of hours. You know what figure out your own nature Perfected work on it. Yeah, I will put man that dates back to Long before the red pill community even existed into my experience of it in the 2000s 2005 6 7 Which now is way back in the day, but it even goes beyond that from my understanding of the history Since the 90s and alt fast seduction and all these old forms and stuff. It's been going and going and going So to give my own take on this question that I proposed and I stole from tony bruno, uh quite explicitly I've been around in the man a sphere for a long long time like 2005. I found it I think bulldog was pretty close to that too on this panel everyone else found it I think you know much later on except steve steve's brown for a long time too My view so I'm eliciting obviously the whole panel and I agree With all of you guys for the most part are entirely in some cases This might be some pushback on bulldog although. I'm not sure because I agree with a lot of his viewpoints But I think the man a sphere has had a fraud problem for a long time In the 2000s and my own example this As far as being a businessman and what I wanted to do about the fraud and when I say fraud I just mean things that are just That could be outright fraud the guy is completely full of shit He's selling you a book on how to bang woman and he's a fat loser living Literally in his mother's basement or a spare room or something So there could be fraud like that, but also it could just be things that are Not that explicit, but like Extremely overpriced to the point that it makes you want to vomit So for example all the speeches from 21 convention, they publish free to the world, right? They've been doing this They get millions of views sometimes that's been going on for a long time The reason I did that I started that out from day one is because I was so pissed off and I was so annoyed With the products of the pickup artist community the man a sphere created back in the 2000s I just hated it. It was so aggravating. I wanted to make a better product and then publish it for free I thought that would help, uh, you know reform the man a sphere and I think slowly That's been a you know, big influence 21 convention speeches are known pretty damn well within and even outside this community But I did that because back in the day people would film their little conference They put on you know rsd or whoever back then not to pick on them And they would charge you like 800 dollars for a fucking dvd set and they came with the cd set for the upsell and You know get all this it's all this it was so the pricing was absurd And the quality of the product was shit a lot of the time. It wasn't even great filming lighting audio So from whether it's you know products being Literally marked up to the to the nines to the point of just absolute insanity Uh to what we see now. I think there's still a lot of guys that are just full of shit Uh, and I think so what I'm saying or two is I think You know how's the man a sphere failed man, but it's also how have men failed the man a sphere almost like almost like citizens in a country It's like our politicians, you know a lot of them are scumbags and this and that and weak That's a reflection as well in any country not just america It's a reflection of the people who vote for them to the extent the voting is legitimate And how are people going to be manipulated by mass media and stuff like Now this year has woken up a lot of people, but we're also seeing the sheep come out, right The people who are really like behind the mask. Are they a sheep or are they going to wake the fuck up? A lot of people waking up a lot of people are fucking sheep So I don't want to be a fence sitter, but I do want to see the man a sphere get better And I go back and forth on this. I don't know if the man a sphere has slowly gotten better Over the past 15 years that I've seen it or it's just kind of the same bullshit repeating to infinity You have guys who are legit you guys have you have guys who are frauds You have guys kind of in between and then you have organizations. I think trying to push back on that And sometimes that means fighting sometimes, uh, you know, if you want peace prepare for war Uh, it was the uh, the john wick motto in that recent movie the parabellum. That's what that I think or that comes from latin But there I think there's some truth to that sometimes fighting is necessary to resolve conflict and resolve Out people and you know, just call bullshit where it's when when and where it's due It shouldn't be done frivolously, but needs to be done I think aggressively And maybe that's one of the reasons the man a sphere hasn't grown even more over the past It's been around fucking 25 years. Why isn't it even a bigger thing? We had a tv show a couple tv shows back in the 2000s with mystery and all this stuff There's been all kinds of mainstream press, but it never seems to really take off And it needs to men need this desperately and they need all of it man the men's right stuff We need to change laws we need men Waking up and taking care of their families being strong fathers who lead unapologetically We need young men becoming stronger leading their own lives before they build a family or not Whatever they end up doing with their life So yeah, the world the the mainstream needs a man a sphere bad And I want to see that get better and better and I think we need to keep uh Like michael foster mentioned I put it into an image. I had our graphic guide do it Actually, it's such a great quote michael foster tweeted that he loved at 21 convention There was such a distaste I'm not quoting it directly, but there was such a distaste for frauds at the convention You just it wasn't like if no one gave a speech on like fuck frauds in the man's sphere. Here's the frauds Like it's this conversation like yeah, I don't like people who are full shit I want people who are the real fucking deal And one of the ways we see that's shaking hands meet an eye and having a conversation or having a drink or whatever Which sounds so simple and it is but when you live in a world everyone's locked at home With a mask on staying six feet away from their fucking family Yeah, I guess meet in person and again a bear hug is pretty savage Welcome to 2020 or 2021 So that's my stint to the answer my uh my answer on that question Hope that helps some of the guys watching out Guys has been a great show episode 129. The red man group final of 2020. I appreciate all you guys being the show today and throughout the year Speaking of the convention doing interviews with me interviews with each other Separate from anything to do with me and my company. I love seeing it I love this whole organization the whole community growing make more content 2021 is probably gonna be a wild ride. I look forward to riding that way with all of you guys best we can Fuck yeah Final closing thoughts anybody a quick words on the way out before we end the show All right, we'll end it there and we'll leave it All right, peace out guys. Appreciate you guys tuning in watching today live Appreciate you watching throughout the year and hit the bell hit like leave a comment All that good jazz We appreciate it and thank you to the super chats in the show We'll see you next weekend the next episode of the show episode 130. Peace out. Have a good new year Merry Christmas a little late, but whatever close enough