 Welcome back to The Breakfast. On this day, one year ago, the 19th of October in 2020, there were still hundreds of people gathered at the Lekitogate, but not just here in Lagos. There was still protests happening across Nigeria, calling and demanding that the government, you know, responds to the requests of millions of Nigerian youths across the country, which was to end the Special Anti-Robbery Squad, but not just that. Also, for police reforms, justice for people who have been affected by the high-handedness of Nigerian security agencies across the country. That eventually led to certain events on the 20th of October that are really, really shocking and have left a really, really sad memory in the last one year. This morning, we're speaking with Mr. Deshinot Tosin, who's an active citizen and, of course, one of the people voicing out with regards to the ENSA's protest. Good morning, Mr. Tosin. Thanks for your time and thanks for joining us. I'm going to start with asking, you know, for those who say there's really no need to have these conversations. The government has already put things in place. There is a panel that has been set up that is still ongoing in, you know, certain states across the country. You know, there's no need to be angry anymore, you know, while we're talking about ENSA's once again. I want you to, you know, share your thoughts on what your response would be to that, first of all. Okay, thank you so much. Let me start by saying thanks for having me this morning. Constantly, those say that they are really not a student of history. Because if they are students of history, they will know that several events have altered the cause of the word, one way or the other, and people keep talking about it. Those that want, those that don't want us to talk about it are those that I can describe as, I don't want us to have police reform or to ask questions because I don't know what happened and they let me talk about it. Now, let me give you an example. If you look at the June 12th election, opposite the net net theory, and the conversation around June 12th has been stabilized from netting net theory to date. So much more than President Bowie had no option than to give the latest GFMK or Ebola. I post two months GCFR award. What happened? They were able to sustain the conversation for more than 23 years now. ENSA's is a conversation that I'm going to sustain for the rest of our life. Because what is basically ENSA's? ENSA's was a demand for an end to the notorious police unit that has been known for extortion, for harassment, for killings, and everything. I said, okay, Mr. Pro, okay, further government, end this unit. Apart from ending this unit, we also have a five for five demand that we made to the government. One, ENSA's, two, police reform, theory, psychology, I did do some psychology evaluation of SASS or MISSAS, and also we also demand for justice for victims of police brutality across the country. However, one year down the line, we can say nearly none of this thing have been done. If you're talking about judicial panel, only legal setup done judicial panel. Several states in the country refuse to do it. Even Abu Dhabi, where we have the President, the judicial panel went on a break for about the past seven months. They are meant to resume tomorrow, which is like a joke. How will you suspend the panel for almost seven months, and you're coming back on the day the award is money, the killings of SASS, whether it's at the Legitogate, it is highly insensitive. So they've not done anything in that regard. If they've done this, we'll not be talking about this today. We'll basically be celebrating today, but they did not do anything. And as I'm talking to you now, police has even gone rough before then. We see what Abu Dhabi doing, what they do, and they shall protest. Police kill somebody at Toyota. Every day on YouTube or Instagram, you'll see videos of police officers extorting. A few days ago, they extorted somebody in Kogi State, less than a week now. These are police officers. They've been caught in several actions that, in fact, a report published by Premium Times or DK with Amrit shows how our arrest officers were busy drinking Paragal alcohol across the coast playing Baba Jeb. Nothing has been done. Police stations, they see don't have record of criminals. People see don't have justice. As I'm talking to you now, by a year after we still have protestors that are still awaiting detainment. Some are saying detainment. Yesterday, one of our campaigners, his name is Erumz. Erumz was just free after one year. What was his offense for protesting? One of our comrades, the Moli Ayo, is still having issues with security agencies. What was his offense for just the protestors for the answers? These are the issues we are talking about. And this is why we have to sustain the conversation. We have to sustain the conversation for justice. We have to sustain the conversation for history's sake. We have to sustain the conversation for human rights. And historically, this conversation needs to continue. Every day, you see people say, oh, the SS protest was not peaceful. It was the president of Tog. They want to remove the president. And I said, no, SS protests, we have no business with president Bwari and I'm saying it on air. We don't want to remove the president. The president is elected and he has a tenor for years. We are not interested in the president position. What we want the president to do is to reform the police, give them good jobs, give them salaries, give them materials to work, also stop them from killing us. You are a journalist. A lot of journalists have been killed by police in this country. You can just assume Google search. We see the number of journalists killed by police. Open your newspaper. Journalists have been killed by police. Even police officers have been killed by police. So, this brutality has spread across. Now, if you say we should not talk about it, then those people saying that they are our oppressors, people are still saying it is today. Oh, nobody that had a target. Nobody was shot at a target. Meanwhile, we have seen videos. We have seen pictures. I have met people that were shot at a target, that seen in their strategy as of this morning. I have seen people that were shot at a target, that the family members are still looking for their dead bodies. So, what are we talking about? The Nigerian military denied this. They later said we should not do the head. How will you shot at people that were protesting, singing national anthem, raising Nigerian flag? That is an injustice. And we will continue to talk about this for the rest of our life. And I say something. June 12th, that was not, that was, the Papua National Theory, they sustained the conversation. The people in power needs to know that we are going to sustain this conversation. For the sake of progress and for the unity of this country, we have to sustain this conversation. Okay. So, the question is, how do you intend to sustain this conversation like you have rightly mentioned? How do you intend to go about it? And at the end of the day, what is the end result? What do you hope to achieve? Well, two questions. You've asked me two questions. One, we are going to sustain this conversation by the power of the media and by the power of the social media. For the past nights, for the, for the nights in this now, I've been hosting this series on Twitter called Our Answers, 20 Days of Actuizing. And we, and what we've been doing there, we've been talking about Nigeria, about human rights, about police reform, about the law, about national security. We've asked several speakers like our Aisha Yves Sufou, Prof Chidi Ode Kalu, Hamza Lawa, David Onderi, a lot of people. Tonight, we are going to host press showcase to Moga Law, that same panel. And tomorrow, we are going to host Kome Domo Yelishu Wure. We are having this conversation because we have to keep talking about the incident. We have to ask ourselves, okay, what did we do right? What did we do wrong? How can we do this thing better? How can we prevent that Nigerians do not die by police again? Now, what is the end goal? The end goal is to have a police that works for all. The end goal is to have a country that works for all. The end goal is to make sure that no Nigerian is killed by the police. I'm not going to send this on a panel that every Nigerian is a victim of police brutality waiting to happen. They might not have shot it today. You don't know what's going to happen in the next two minutes. We see people, we see where everyone is going on. They are driving. Police stop them. Let me see your paper. No. Look at this, my paper. Next thing, I will shoot you and nothing will happen. Police have been saying that we want to have a police force that has humanity. You will not tell me that you will kill me and nothing. Some of us cannot even kill chicken. So I don't can't imagine that a human being will be so bold to say I will kill you and nothing will happen. The end goal is that there must be a net to police brutality. They will tell you, there is no more sex. However, we still have the same issues at me. He has been raiding people's houses mindlessly for months now. He has to go to a hotel. They go to people's house. These are the same problems we have with sex. We cannot live in a country that is having this type of issue. Somebody was on my spaces yesterday and told us how Botswana police emerge the best in Africa. Botswana is even a landlocked country. This is a country not up to Nigeria. Every time Nigerian police you see their video on Instagram, extorsing people, beating people. At times police will be chasing Okada riders. At times police will be bringing the things they are not meant to do. The end goal is to serve a police that works and the nation that works. Mr. Adishinal, I think you've basically explained all of it and how this affects everyone. I think one other thing that is important is really asking whether SARS really has ended and of course police brutality. That was the major part of the conversation. Not just the Special Anti-Rubbery Squad now. Whether that has ended and of course from the things that we've seen not very much has changed. But I want you to also speak on the response from the Nigerian government. In the last couple of days we've seen also that there is police presence at the Lekitogate. Riot police presence at the Lekitogate. And of course files. The artist made some statements on his Instagram page sharing that they made requests to use the landmark center or certain places to gather and have conversations concerning the end SARS protests. And that was also not allowed. So quickly share with us what exactly has gone on from the response from the government. Ok, well from the response of the government what we've seen is that the government is not even interested in solving this problem and I'll give you some instances. So October 20th of every year nobody can erase that this. And I'm saying it. October 20th we're causing to mark SARS whether I want to protest or you want to go and leave flowers at the Lekitogate. The Lekitogate it is a symbol of our struggle. And I'm saying it. It can take time. That Togate and then we come to that Togate because it is a monument that has been erected in honor of our comrades. Now if people say they want to protest tomorrow for God's sake there is nothing wrong in protest. The only thing we have issues is a violent protest. And if we want to go and do can do night at the Togate God punish you and ask us to do it. Let us question our police and say that oh nobody should protest nobody should do this. Let me say this whether we protest or we don't protest. Answers is an idea who's time has come. Let me give you an example. The federal government went ahead to ban Twitter. The banning of Twitter is an aftermath of these answers because they feel like oh this is where this will be like. But this was we're still using our Twitter till this morning. We're still using our Twitter. We're using our R&D money. We're paying as much as $10 to buy to subscribe to VPN because of what the power we have is our power of determination. It's our power to protest. It's our power to demand for good governance that was not given to us by anybody and cannot be taken away from us by anybody. We have no problem with Governor Sao Olu. We have no problem with President Guari. We only have problem with killer policemen and people in government that are aiding this killer policemen. Now apart from SARS we all know that police brutality is actually you know they've increased since we had the protests. And what we're saying is very simple. The response of the government is not going to get us back. Now let's go and state if I say that oh we have a panel. The only thing that tells us we have a panel, we are giving people money. However, it's money justice. Money is not justice my brother. If I died, if I was killed at the Lekiduget on the 28th last year, if you give my family 10 minutes, 10 minutes will not bring me back. My family prefer to keep seeing every day even if I'm not in Milona. They just want to know that their son is alive. Now, government, they made several demands. As I'm still talking, I say it and I'm still saying it. Some people are still in detention for SARS. So if government really, if government really want to say that oh, they will have made that demand, what are people still doing in detention? And this is not only legal state. On your state, people are in detention on your state. The Lekiduget state and a lot of other states in this country for protesting. There is a database of instance that has even been released. One of these people in detention, some of our comrades, they are still living under fear. Youths left Nigeria to go and get asylum in other countries of the world, because of what? Because the government and their guests are threatening them. So what are what can we say about their response? It has been poor thus far. And that's why we continue to talk about M-SARS. We continue to talk about it because it's a conversation. Everybody will live for one day, but with the people, we will remain. But thus far, the response of the government has not been encouraged. How we see your mind that people should not even protest. As a government that we even want to win our hands, it should even be governor Sao Lu, that we should have no problem, what will be the one to lead the war in memory of M-SARS protesters. Not leader, people that is well leader actually does to their citizens. You win their hands back, but they are busy organizing concerts or not. It's easy concert that you want. October is a month of money for us, we are not celebrating. I don't care what they do. We are not celebrating, we are money. We lost people. We can't see that dead body. All right, Mr. Tonsi, just quickly, as much as we know that protest is a tool that has been used by a lot of persons, you know, citizens in democratic dispensation to, you know, get government to respond to their needs and their demands, some quotas are saying that there are other means of engaging. Yes, it's a right, but how about dialogue? How about having these conversations? How about writing partitions? So I'd like to find out if in the nearest future or is also part, you know, of the plan because yes, there's been several protests and you are also part of this particular movement. It doesn't seem like anything has happened. The real deal is to get, you know, achieve results. So are you thinking about other, you know, means of getting government, you know, to respond to some of this concerns that you have? Okay, well, so the issue there is this, and I said this on one of my spaces, even if any of you guys have monitored it, we are the session with our show, and we are the topic called the end starts and things beyond protest. We have mapped out ways you can sustain this conversation without protests. That's why we're having conversations like this on your TV and the one we are doing on Twitter and the one we are going to do on Twitter. Government, see, let me tell you something about government is this, government agents, they are everywhere. They know what the street is saying. They are watching this interview at the moment. They know what we are demanding. So we don't even need to protest before you fix what we are demanding. We are saying that, okay, stop your view from killing us. We are not going to protest again, but other ways we are going to organize. Now, if we say, now what to do a forum at landmark event center? That forum was shut down by the government. Landmark event center that the FIVON announced the day after they went to shut it down. Now, how do you want to engage a government like that? Does no alarm do some of these things. It shows that the government is not interested in hearing us. And let me tell you this, the only way that the government can hear us is through protests. Who wants to have a summit? The FIVON was invited. A lot of senior lawyers were invited, including the NBA president, Mr. Olusola Pata. Thank you. They went ahead to shut down the forum. And let me tell you one thing about life. Any idea who's time has come, you cannot shut it down. That is why Twitter 2 is an idea who's time has come. That even the Twitter ban cannot save the government from having a conversation. So if you say that we find out that we are we are taking steps but the government is still trying to take this step. Okay, let us have a summit. You don't allow us to have a summit. Let us have a walk. You don't allow us to have a walk. Let us have a conversation on Twitter. You have banned Twitter. All right, Mr. Addition, I want you to... Yeah, Mr. Addition, quickly, I think this will be the final question. I want you to share what happens on the 20th because I've seen the Sorosoke Summit and that also has social media handles. It says here, 545 demands, water on fulfilled. There's going to be Aisha Yusufu, Faos who will be speaking, Mr. Olusola Pata. There's also Debo Macaroni, Olu Phillips, SA and Fermi Falano, also a couple other people. So is this still going on online on the 20th? And what happens? Okay, so to start it, I'm not part of the organizer. But anything that has been done in support of the fence has asked my support. The organizers have said they will consume the conversation online. And that's what I'm saying. And what happens after the 20th? Is there going to be continuous online conversations? By God's grace, after the 20th, there will be conversations. And I'm saying this, we are not going to just stop the conversation by 10 cents. For everybody that wants to contest in 2020, they must be ready to answer that question. What are you going to do to save us from police brutality? Okay, you have to be the pre-wedder, whether it's at the food that is contested, or Ashihwaju, or Pressor Shiba Jiu, or Pressor Modalu. Anybody contested 2020, we need to ask them that question. What will Nigerian be under you? Will Nigerian youth be killed by the police? And I'm just saying this, police brutality is not the case of Nigerian youth. Police have killed people in their 50s, in their 80s, in their 70s. And as a country, we have to demand an air to police brutality wherever we are. So even if we are done with October 20th, we will still continue the conversation. In the aspect of governance, human rights, law, national security. This will continue. And by tomorrow, October 20th, Sorosoke Summit will be holding online, which will be having our hands-on discourse, it will be happening on Cheetah's place. So it's always actually a very busy day for us. And some of our comrades are still insisting they want to go and have a peaceful walk at the tow gate. Yes, everything that wants to be done in support, in commemorating the one year anniversary of the NSAS, and the NSAS protest, should be supported by the government. And I'm saying it last, this is my last word. NSAS is not a protest against President Wari. NSAS is not a protest against Governor Senguulu. We believe in democracy. We believe in Nigeria. We believe in legal state. And we want the peace for Lagos and peace for Nigeria. However, what we are saying is that, bring a net to police brutality, let police stop killing us. The police that are killing us today that were demanded a net to their brutality, they might end up even killing their own folks tomorrow. Nobody is safe in an environment that is dominated by police brutality. We believe so much in legal, we believe in democracy. Thank you. Thank you very much for your time and for having this conversation with us. Of course, I would look out for what happens tomorrow and, of course, also online and get to also hopefully speak with you again. Thanks very much. Thank you very much. Have a good day. All right. That's why we will be wrapping up the conversation this morning. Pretty interesting. I totally enjoyed speaking with Tosinda. We, of course, would be leaving. We'll be back here again tomorrow morning if you missed out on any of these conversations or you would like to catch up. It's simply at Plus TV Africa on Facebook and Instagram. Same to our YouTube channel at Plus TV Africa and Plus TV Africa Lifestyle. I am Osao Gi Ogboa. See you tomorrow. And I am Mercier Bopu. Do have a happy holiday.