 There are increasing concerns as monkey parks for the first time spreads worldwide rattling the WHO the United States and the United Kingdom with 92 confirmed cases 50 suspected Incidences in 12 countries Also on the breakfast the Central Bank of Nigeria raised the interest rate to 13% for the first time in two years from 11.5% to 13.5% What does this mean? And don't forget we'll also be looking at today's news papers and lies in the biggest stories of the day a Very good morning to you with wishing you live from our series right here, Victor Allen and legacy. What's a beautiful beautiful morning? With breakfast some plastic the Africa my name is coffee bar tells And I am messy about post beautiful morning, and it's good to be back on your screen We set up as always with top trending conversations making the rounds Or generating different reaction in different spaces. I mean yesterday was one of those times where you had You know the internet especially Twitter blogging platform With a lot of persons talking that's necessarily because of the videos that actually made the rounds. We're talking about Former governor of emo state roaches or culture Well, so we'll get to that I'm hoping that we're able to put up, you know the clips that we have or do you want to say that this video Clips are not very mature However, we hope that we bring it to your knowledge if especially if you haven't seen it but what happened was that you had an invasion of the Economic and financial crimes Commission I mean invading the residents of roaches or Corotia and Arrested him eventually he was arrested. Well for the reason is that the Because there's been a lot of reaction and criticism and a lot of persons have condemned that particular action now the EFCC is saying the The reason for the operation why they invaded The Abuja residents of roaches or Corotia former governor of emo state like I rightly mentioned Was because he jumped bail and refused to accept caught process from the commission and that's the reason For what you were saying, which is real time and that's an app is like he not necessarily Twitter But like I rightly mentioned it's gotten a lot of persons talking It was also stated that the anti-graft agency said that he jumped administrative bill He was granted and also invaded Evaded his corruption trial But if he evaded his corruption trial if he jumped Administrative bill Is this actually the way to go? It's the question That's been buzzing in my mind. I'm asking is this way to go because it feels like we're having a situation of Two wrongs can actually make a right, but you know two wrongs can never make a right coffee What do you think of this situation? Well, you know the AFCC laid The state of late siege at roaches or court chassis made time our residents in a Booja Where he was getting ready to Study his activities for the day It was an hours-long siege took quite some time for the economic and financial cramps operators and indeed the police officers who were accompanying them to break into the House and The television stations, you know radio stations newspapers all Converged at the Metema a Booja residents of roaches coach a former governor of Emo state and senator of the federal public of Nigeria. It was an interesting one Sort of reminiscent of the American Police car chases, you know when in the United States may be LAPD or NYPD Chasing a suspect in a car and then the TV networks used the helicopters to To to to be midlife. Oh, he's entered a filling station or he's passed through the 36 He was inside and we're trying to get in they couldn't get him and it was online. It was on TV and them What we saw there a bit of what we saw or what we saw there on the TV screen the clip was a bit of the live stream By roaches's Instagram account and someone was holding his phone or somebody who had access to his Instagram account Sure member of his household was streaming life. So it was quite interesting The the the senator through his Instagram account livestream showed him The the you know the mood in the house at a point He was him he went on this on the floor to pray to God and he said them a God Almighty help me God help me. My God Almighty help me, you know, it was praying And some members of his household were also, you know, praying along with him and they were able to see the moment the government operatives government agents broke through the POP Sealing of that that that that residence. That's not a small house. It's a it's a sprawling a mansion And so it's not cheap POP or you know any kind of maybe PVC that is used for the big the city's it's serious strong quality plus of Paris And so they you can see this is just the mood. Okay. This is I think should be the moment They broke through the POP. It's it reminds me one of those horror movies where there's a zombie trying to you can see that The zombies don't do this. Yeah, you know, sometimes you have some who just you know No, no, I have never seen a movie where you have zombies Breaking in so if you're making a comparison, maybe if you're comparing But the point is, you know, it was scary. It looked traumatic. You can see how the Breaking through that that POP so they must have climbed the the the the roof they have this Step tiles, you know step tiles on the house. They must have climbed the roof And then remove the step tiles and gain access to the inner roof to be able to break it takes quite some effort But but that's what happened another video when when he was praying and I hope we can show that you could hear The door banging so wouldn't you pray because it's scary Well, probably he's he you know, he just needs some feel that that was also some drama Some you know comments online I listened to Even on radio people were saying, okay, he's just reminding them of Dino Meliah. It's too much drama. Why are you praying and all that? So so so his lawyer Wally Olani Pekwese and had spoke to the press At the house in fact while he was in the house He granted television interviews while they were trying to see how they could get in Russia's was on TV, you know You know Microphones of stations and the camera of stations were smuggled into away. I don't know how it wasn't smuggled not smuggled The way to get those items into the house, and he actually sat down in his chair and given interview while the officials We're trying to get so in order what you're saying that this could be a set up Roach has actually said this drama. I'm not saying that I didn't say that But but so I'm just telling you what what transpired and they did the drama of the of what we saw He even granted a zoom interview live on national TV, you know, so it was it was so real You know, it was surreal for people who had no had some good entertainment for some time And this this was so something like that for those who missed out Are you really missed out? But but so so Russia's had some things to say now Wally Olani Pekwese, my hope I got his name right essay and who is his lawyer said them We have not been served any order of court We've not been served or given and our arrest warrant No Nothing has been given to us as paper For us to know why they're here a letter of invitation. Okay, so we were not served an order of court You know shown that he his arrest has been ordered We've not been shown an arrest warrant that gives him the authority to come and pick him up Now that we've been shown a letter of invitation asking him to come to the AFCC today That was yesterday is a day for the APC presidential screening Let him go for this program when he is done He will come maybe in a matter of three days time or next week. He will come to your office. So some people said messy that I'm You know, why would the lawyer sell we will come when we want to come but we're not coming today You know, and then some said well, that's right because you know, he is he's said these three documents order of court Arrest warrant or an invitation you don't present it to us But what the FCC said like you said mercy was that him He jumped administrative bill and there was a time administrative bills of the council bill in the country of to the court bill Well, you go to a court and you're given a bill You are released on bill and then you have the administrative or police bill where you You present yourself arrested by the police and they let you go because they don't have enough evidence yet at the time of your arrest To a rainy before court and the Nigerian constitution is clear that you cannot Hold a suspect before me on 24 hours when you have a court of Competenturies within jurisdiction in radius of 40 kilometers and then the Consisting of the federal public of Nigeria 1990 as well is also clear about what can be done or what should be done if there is no court of competent jurisdiction within That 40 kilometer radius, so it exceeds 40 kilometers You're allowed to hold the person for longer than 24 hours, but of course in the case that you're able to arrange the person You to Courtney you want to hold them you have to also apply to the court You say you want to hold them further from investigation for maybe 30 days as or so on as the case may be but a Justice finally apart from the the constitution you have the administration of criminal justice act now that is what You know the lawyers are saying we should look at to to to be able to tell what are the ears to see had a right to To arrest the man, I mean, I mean at some point I understand the fact that we have to follow the law to the latter board You also need to understand that if you look at the dynamics if you look at these situations surrounding it Then it's it's just very glaring. We can't continue because it's like I committed an offense I made a mistake on a criminal or I'm a suspect because this case is we as long as work can send We haven't gotten to a point where everyone is innocent until they've been proven guilty by Cut of competence jurisdiction and that is exactly what it is. You can't take it that I mean you can't take that away It's a universal principle. It cuts across board. It's not limited to a continent It's not limited to a particular location. It's not limited to a particular person It's a universal principle, but let's even move away from that now and I get to you. Do you know the fact that? Yeah, but but before I move away, you know that they not not necessarily moving away I'm just saying moving away, you know from that particular point and insinuation and all of the reaction So look look looking at all of this now. Is it really really right? We'll understand diamonds. He John Bale. So yes, he John Bale Nobody's going to say so what he John Bale We've not gotten to a point where it has because if you say I'm a thief You have to prove that I'm a thief and that's what the law says as long as you're not able to prove that I'm a thief then should I be You know treated differently It's the modest apparently because it is left from whether or not the attention has shifted from him You know looting money money laundry. He's done a lot of crime to you how the operation was carried out And we cannot continue like this every other time in our climb and expect a different answer I expect a different reaction. It's a total disgrace if you ask me. I'll say it in the what's because you know It's a very honorable a very respectable institution that was created and we would say that the mode of Operandi the mode of operation is wrong How do you like I said in the introduction? It's like having two rights making a wrong two rights cannot I mean you can't I mean Okay, so let's come to it. Let's say two wrongs can make a right So it's the situation of saying you're wrong and wrong. So we have to all be wrong We can't come together. Someone has made a mistake. You can use a mess a mess cannot create Sanity or cannot create, you know, straightness So if if if you have an error created a corrupt system can never change itself It needs a superior in it's a different behavior It is a different dynamics a different action to correct it. So yes You probably have him as a suspect. There are a lot of incriminating issues You probably have all of that and then you need to get to the work But you know acting in the same manner because you acting like a criminal what do you break into someone's house? I mean, I'm saying breaking. It's okay to say you're having a siege I mean this house is surrender, but the fact that you break in, you know, it's it's it's not commendable And I'm not even sure that the EFCC I'm not even sure that you know the rules and regulations or the laws governing it Would actually permit I I beg to be corrected here I beg that I be proven wrong that the EFCC can actually put on the paper I can show everyone that you know It's also stated in their mode of operation that you have to break into Someone's house a suspect because it's still a suspect It hasn't been proven with all of the allegations with all of the facts that you have a court has to prove that Yes So so at this are very interesting points that you've raised and then indeed indeed the overwhelming feeling You know and it's understandable how how you feel, you know, it's not how I feel. It's what it is What do you have nothing to do with feelings? It's so it's understandable, you know your views Understandable what the law says The the the views and the feelings of people out there also, you know similar to what you're you're expressing you lie You know had a bit of a rant on on on radio. So, you know last night, um, but um We also would look have to look at the the the the paper, you know black and white and what the law says So we had to dig, you know, I personally had to dig through, you know, the the administration of criminal justice in 2016 because lawyers have What they'll tell you about and they differ if you see two lawyers who agree or every lawyer agreeing on one issue It's it's you it's hard to find but in 2016. There's some precedence to this Excuse me in 2016 and and Rochester's has been is being arranged for sort of appropriation of funds in a property to the tune of about two points something billionaire and He's he's um His case is almost similar to what you have with the likes of Tom Polo and a poor Bolo came former GM of the Of Nimasa who were charged to court in 2016 or 2015 by the EFCC now in 2016 on the 16th of January the the the gentleman Pobolo came he was in court That's the former GM or DG of Nimasa The amount that himself Tom Polo and others were being tried for Misappropriation or embezzlement whichever the word the case is was steady for billionaires. That's significantly higher than this Now Tom Polo didn't come to court. In fact, Tom Polo made press statements the former Nigel Elton militant He made press statements saying that, you know, the he was going to take the government on and you're looking for trouble and all that So what the judge did justice by loud federal high court in Lagos what he did was to issue a warrant of arrest You know for Tom Polo this on the agenda dates they went to court and the man was still not in court and I remember clearly that the The the the the council for the federal government prosecution was Festos Kayamo at that time wasn't minister You know, so the the trial judge had to issue a second warrant of arrest You know, so two bench warrants were issued. Merci and still Tom Polo didn't come to court You know, he was given interviews. Oh, it was making somebody didn't come to court So what the judge had said was that um that after issue two warrants of arrest that the EFC should do everything They can't produce to produce him in court on February 8. That was the next agenda But the judge made an important so has this case They just made an important statement, which is where I'm going to And the judge said that um in in any case the EFC C doesn't need an order of court to bring Uh a suspect to arrest a suspect in the the the story is still up on the EFCC website today as I speak Yeah, I hope I hope that that's what the judge said, but it's on the EFCC website The judge is quoted as saying that The EFCC doesn't need an order of court to bring to arrest a suspect But apart from that if you go to the administration of criminal justice, I'm not a lawyer. All right No, no, these are these are things. These are things that I won't agree. But excuse me Excuse me. The question I'd like to ask you. Let me just make the point I know because I know that you're about to If you go to the administration of criminal justice act you look at section 12 It it it's it clearly states um how a police can be searched if uh a suspect Is there a suspect that the EFCC or the police or any agency of government like dss and go Are seeking to arrest it says that you can actually Break into The premises if it is difficult for you to arrest a suspect. It's kind of long I won't go into it all of it, but it says you can break Into that premises it even also talks about if you've gone inside to arrest a suspect, you know If you want to leave and if barricaded developed they say you can break out You know, so according to the acga j a you know, what they did is is is permitted by law That breaking so I was trying to get so um So we we get back to the point where we talk about you know police brutality and how we go about our You know our actions because you also have on the other hand of the divide where you have the fact that he said there's no There's no Warrants that has been granted. I mean he's not been given an arrest You know, there's no warrants. There's no such warrant. There's nothing. There's no invitation So whose words exactly are we going to believe when we understand that if you look at the behavior of the Institutions of government that has been created. It looks like it's a witch hunt Whether or not, you know, there's a crime that's been committed and in this case you ask yourself Is this case in court? I don't think that it would be fair for us and for those people who say that we want to You know change the country want to change the cost of this country We want to make a difference. We cannot continue to behave in a rascal way. It's a rascal behavior Do you also know that live ammunitions were being shot at that point? And you also know that apart from the fact that this residence was not just limited to Rochester culture and his family But you had a lot of people pressmen people were all in that situation And what happened if you lost a life in the cost of discharging a live ammunition? Everybody would ask what happens when we have the case of Boko Haram and bandits Terrorizing Nigeria and this year trying to make an arrest The question is should we continue to act in an uncivil manner and act in manner that would constantly threaten the lives of people Individual citizens because what what do you tell me? I I practically saw the video where you had this mobile police officers putting out the gun I mean they were shooting live bullets. They were shooting live bullets and what happened So I don't know how long we were constantly make excuse, you know for behavior like I say We cannot constantly say that okay Yes, nobody's tolerating any crime. It's everyone is a suspect until they are being proven by a cut of computer jurisdiction And now the question would be is this cost is this is this case in court? No, no, no, have we had him? It's in court. Okay. So it's in court It's in court How did he get to court when he said that I mean the EFCC saying that he has not responded to any call at any time At any point in time and also on the other hand Like I said, we we cannot continue to make excuses for the behavior that we have because you know what this would happen It would constantly embolden In the course of discharging our duties and the course of doing our jobs We're expected not to act in an uncivil manner and for every time we have uncivil behavior We call on the police for the rascality And and you know the violence that they're causing because you see someone because I have You know dreads on me and I'm dressing in certain we have tattoo And what have you I have chains on me then automatically I'm a criminal Right, and so it's okay for you to drag It's okay for you to budge because you've had cases where EFCC are breaking into the houses of people And so let's continue to make justification for all of this behavior. Okay, so I don't think that that's the case I don't think that that goes well. Yeah, we don't need to mix things up I I first now there are two there are two or three things here number one Does the did the EFCC does EFCC have the right to break into the house of the suspect I've reason to establish that according to administration of Administration of criminal justice act They actually have the right to break down your door and come arrest you if you are in a particular place Whether it's your house or your property or not. You have a right to break in there And when they get in there to arrest you Provided they have an arrest warrant or they have the authority To arrest you so in a situation where they don't have an arrest warrant Did the law also state that they need to have an arrest warrant? Did they actually I'm getting I'm trying to establish what we're looking at. So first of all, do they have an authority to break in They actually do Um, it's been established. I'm breaking and break up. No, because because What is on the other hand is also saying that there was no arrest warrant. I mean you can't I'm getting to that So I should ask the issue of the warrant of arrest. I did say that um in in 2016 Justice Balau federal court in Lagos in the case involving the former dj of the of the masa apu lo kemi. I think his name and um, uh That there was no warrant of arrest He said to have his court is saying that the EFCC doesn't need an order of court Note order of so order of court Let me just make my point It doesn't need an order of court to effect an arrest but in this case we're talking about a warrant of arrest Um, so you look at at section 18 of the administration of criminal justice act And it talks about arrest by a police officer without warrant But of course, this is not just about police officers It also we have to do with agencies of government and it says that uh a police officer may without an order Of a court and without a warrant a warrant arrest a suspect We go to paragraph j. All right, which says whose Arrest a warrant has been issued or whom is directed to arrest by a judge We're being prompted by magistrates. Um, those justice of the peace or a superior police officer So it shows that even even a way now for i'll just make a quick point. It shows that this is important it shows that even a superior police officer can Order, um, Junior police officer to go and arrest a suspect without you know having any form of notification You just go ahead. But um, I think I made I made my point. Well, that's the much we can take this morning on the breakfast Thank you so much for being part of the show. We definitely return with more interesting reactions. Be stay with us