 I've got 6.01 p.m. Tuesday, June 20th. I'm going to call to order this meeting of our liquor control board Please join us in the Pledge of Allegiance led by Counselor Oakley Thank you All right, so one regular item the liquor control license application for standing stone wines LLC Would you like to introduce Jenny, you know what we also have Thank you for hearing this this is a new second-class liquor license And Welcome back. Thank you. I just spoke to you not too long ago and you generously approved my loan application So I'm hoping standing stone wines. It's also going to feature a lot of local beers now did a little change over and so It's named after my tribe Oneida people the standing stone will donate every month to a different indigenous costs based on sales we're going to Mostly sell 10 to 20 dollar bottles, but we'll have wine for every every budget we're also going to sell BIPOC locally made LGBTQ goods and arts plants and Maybe some cheese And it's on the road or at 33 Main Street and when it's game Great happy to see quick some quick progress here. Yes I'm hoping it all depends on the landlords fit up because I'm hoping to be ready to go as soon as they're ready to go So my my wish is by the end of the summer to be open. Cool Any questions from council? No questions. Just be sure to connect with downtown Wadooski as a partner and board board members, you know having owning your own property on the circle and Making sure that you're asking for what support you need from them. Okay Any questions or comments from members of the public you can use chat or raise hand? I see a raised hand Go ahead Sarah if you have some comment for this item. Oh, that's interesting Oh, that's sorry. I there we go. Oh, I hear you now. I Didn't mean to hit it. Okay. Sorry about that. Sorry Okay, hearing no concern then do I have a motion to approve this license application? Second motion by Aurora second by Charlie all those in favor, please say aye Motion carries. Thank you so much All right, that's the end of tonight's liquor control board meeting agenda. Do I have a motion to adjourn? Second motion by Bryn second by Charlie all those in favor, please say aye motion carries So now at 6.05. I will call to order our Winooski City Council meeting Agenda review is up first It was pointed out to me that perhaps if you saw an earlier version of the agenda, there was one item missing from consent Which was board and commission reappointments All right, do we have any concerns about adding that in that's what is currently posted publicly though, too Okay, with that we'll move on to public comment This is an opportunity if you are a member of the public attending and want to speak to something not on this evening's agenda Now would be your chance to do so Please use the chat or raise hand Okay Seeing no public comment. We will move to tonight's consent agenda We have our city council and liquor control board minutes from June 5th the payroll warrant from May 28th to June 10 counts payable June 15th USDA for service grant application to cover some tree scope for our Main Street revitalization project the Wolf Scott Wolf skirt arrow event permit application an event that's happened several times on Winooski the contract to continue our Summer and after-school rec programming with the Winooski school district the board and commission reappointments and The alternate appointment to the board of Chitton and solid waste district The questions concerns about tonight's consent agenda Any public comment, okay, do I have a motion to approve the consent agenda? Motion by Charlie second by Aurora all those in favor, please say aye. Hi motion carries Thank you We will do council reports Aurora would you like to begin? our focus for that meeting was on the stipend policy which is being presented later on in this meeting so I won't go into More detail there Wait for that item and on the 13th. We had a meeting of the inclusion State Public Connected People meeting Commission and There we got an update from the SRO the school resource officer on Kind of what he's been doing this past year. I know that is also kind of a further update on our State Public Connected People update But he also talked about which wasn't mentioned there a public safety camp that's being run and The different activities that they're gonna bring this campers on such as working with some of the folks at the guard working with some of Park Rangers, so just getting a really fun general idea of the different options for public safety Those are the two updates I have Thank you Thanks The Airport Commission met the first Wednesday of the month that was June 7th Nothing to add by way of progress from May on the sound insulation work they'll be reaching out to the city staff and to the community for input and More Notifications as they get into the installation for homes in our city right now they're really focusing in the South Burlington area and Are just very looking at the edges of the contour lines the loudest contour lines right now So the next meeting for that will be the first Wednesday. I believe July 5th Next month Nothing significant to report there The Infrastructure Commission met last Thursday on the 15th Sadly, we are losing quite a few people from the Commission this time around so We are saying farewell to Jason and Brian and to Dallas and we'll be seeking Folks from the community to fill their vacancies For that reason, we're going to take the month of July off and reconnect mid-to-late August 3rd third Thursday and August at this point other things that we discovered with the new technology That Paul has acquired for the city. We probably will move forward with having hybrid meetings We actually had pretty good attendance because of the hybrid option For this for this month where folks would not have been able to make it home from work Otherwise or to the meeting? Otherwise so that seemed to make a big difference for folks We and once we get those vacancies filled then we'll figure out voting for officer Officer rules for the most part filling those in But we are retaining Emily and Michelle and looking very thankful and Peter and think very thankful for them staying on for the seats otherwise we went over the The strategies and priorities that the council decided on in May As well as the engagement Scoping that we talked about in early June And then some general questions about By pet infrastructure liaison to CCRPC as well as Electric bike share and updates on that so That's that the chinets always district has its annual officer meeting election next Wednesday We will actually be in their new offices, which are We space from South Burlington Police Department And that'll be the first time that we'll be meeting in that new space that that they fit up and Pretty nice to all be together for that. So that's probably the most pivotal thing for that meeting next month or the sorry next week, but Thank you Since our last meeting hosted my monthly when you ski housing roundtable with local partner providers primarily focused on exploring grant funding to bring more Specific housing support capacity into school the Winooski school district continued coordination of the Training for Tenants working with the Champlain Valley Office of Economic Opportunity hoping to implement those in the month of July. I attended one of our Winooski housing authority senior building community listing meetings that we have been doing around Robin of And wanted to share Top concerns sidewalk and road conditions traffic safety Public safety and improvement of internet access options planning commission met and continued their discussion of a Potential design review district to support historic preservation I met with our zoning administrator in the Commission chair following that meeting to discuss Strategies and priorities so that the next in the July meeting Will then roll that out to the Commission with the priorities are going to be for that work plan for the year And I think that's it for me Yeah, their next meeting will be until July and same with finance commission Charlie yeah, I also went and met with some of our seniors at the 31 square in residence They're all kind of on the same page with their concerns a lot of infrastructure a Bipend safety And Specifically striking without a lot. There's a lot of input about when are we gonna be striking? Which seems to be right in the same vein so And They I'm looking forward to meeting with that group again and hoping to give them a little bit more updates on what we're doing There was a lot more listening on my part versus talking that mean which is the purpose And the housing commission will be meeting in July We're choosing a new meeting time a new regular meeting time between either the last Monday or the last Tuesday of the month I'll be meeting tomorrow with Robert Malar and Jasmine early to compare notes regarding Our strategies and priorities for the year and then Jasmine's work plan that she's been working on So I should have a better update in the coming meetings around where the commission is That's it for me. Thank you City updates great For brief city updates For our ends so Juneteenth the city of Manuski would like to thank downtown Manuski And everyone involved for another amazing Juneteenth event in Rotary Park that took place places the past Sunday Keep an eye out for downtown Manuski's other event announcements for new ski Wednesday Front French Heritage Day, which I think has come up this weekend and the Pride event You can find that on downtown Manuski.org for more details Boards and commission vacancies. We kind of talked about that But city when you ski is seeking engaged and dedicated residents to serve on our boards commissions and committees Many of these positions have expiring terms ending this month Current members may reapply. We did have some Reappointments in the consent and residents who aren't currently serving are welcome to apply. So please visit the news and update section on our website for that and Then grand list change and appraisal keel. So as of June 7th, we completed an abstract of our 2023 municipal grand list Change of appraisal notices will be mailed out to advise property owners that completed permanent work or other improvements That may have increased the value of their property So keep an eye out for that if you're interested in appealing the appraisal change Please submit a written letter to the city clerk's office before this Friday. So hopefully folks have seen those by now Or call or step an email with With Jenny the city clerk's office and then finally at the Meyer Memorial pool Season is started and it's off to a great start. So just be sure to get your passes if you haven't yet and check the Schedule and programs at Manuski vt. Gobs backslash pool. That's it Okay, thank you John Moving into our regular items first up. We have an introduction to you Scott LaValle Howard Center assistant director of outreach crisis support Bring it Scott over Welcome Scott. Hello. The first thing I have to say is you guys are Really have your stuff together here So I've done a few of these and then this is by far the The most efficient and coordinated one yet So I just felt like I had to say that So I promised away and I would not take up a lot of time because I know you guys have a lot of important business So essentially what I have is kind of like a little three to five minute like elevator Presentation just kind of as part of my introduction and some of the things that I hope to bring to the program And so I want to start basically with you know outreach just putting a definition on it It's an activity Providing services to people kind of where they're at And generally speaking those people Would not otherwise have access to those services. So we're trying to bring that you know to them Some of the core elements of outreach, you know, these efforts have to be Systematic coordinated comprehensive For us The approach this person centered trauma-informed and responsive Culturally responsive and informed and the emphasis that is on safety and harm reduction So We try to do our best and that's kind of where we start from, you know, this is safety and harm reduction and then we kind of work Work back to the rest of it So one of the other pieces of outreach that it seems has been hasn't been really an emphasis of this program Would be promoting public awareness So I know like each community they have things in place to surround promote public awareness on certain things I also feel is as part of the Howard Center being the designated agency and kind of like the experts in You know mental health and substance abuse and and social service needs in the communities That we can also provide that at a smaller scale through our outreach program not necessarily a large scale at the Howard Center put things on like the the Big conference they had a couple months ago and they do their spring series and stuff like that really kind of breaking it down and Promoting public awareness through like public forums workshops either in person via zoom You know being in it anything you guys have going on that you think that we'd be able to You know bring some some information in to be helpful specifically what we're looking at is The impact of child adversity That it can have on lifelong health outcomes the significance The significance of and what it means to be informed about trauma and to be responsive To the needs of individuals that experience trauma and what it means to foster resilience and individuals families and communities those three things there are Things that we would like to try and promote as far as bringing information to the communities in an effort to be more preventive and and kind of Less than the necessity of crisis services even though You know we have the crisis service. That's part of my job is it would be nice if we could Put a little bit of a little more of that workload on the front end of things And and through public forums and workshops and stuff like that You know those those are good examples of Trying to be able to intervene and get some of those things out there Before the crisis services are actually needed and that's what I got Thank You Scott All right, thank you. You know for those who don't know the the outreach team has been working with RPD for a number of years since 2015 And I just want to say that what's up? I just define our PD. Oh police department. Thanks We have really appreciated that work every year we get data from our chief on You know call responses and and how helpful it is to The police officers to have that support and I also hear it from community members too So want to express our appreciation there And I'm excited to hear about this news new sort of outreach Angle and potentially preventative items as we think about community engagement efforts You know hearing that your team is is more than happy to come and share information at events I think that's something that we could keep in mind in the future to extend invitations Yeah, I think that would be Really the goal And then at first it might be mostly me doing it because I'm the one with the kind of free schedule So but that's also that that falls into my background You know providing information and presentations on adversity and resilience and Now we work with people that have experienced trauma, and I know it's it's Anyone that we interact with it's been some sort of crisis Usually when we work backwards we check all three of those boxes. Yeah, so Putting an emphasis on those things I think it's just nicer if we need the more preventive we can be the better Just just for everyone so I'm really trying to you know capitalize on the relationship and be involved in Trying to help communities, you know figure out ways that they can be more preventive for a lot of reasons You know, it's it's in everyone's best interest Any questions from counselors? I don't know if you have some additional material Provided on this in the worksheet. We got it talked about a newly launched Embedded Vermont police state police crisis specialist program and a potential forthcoming family crisis Response program. I was just wondering if you could give like a brief sentence or two just about each of those programs as well And if that's something else. Yeah, so Yep, yep, so the the crisis specialist has been embedded with the Vermont state police. He's out of the Winnowsky barracks I would say his job is Probably 75% outreach 25% Crisis kind of you know, and then does that all changes, you know today It could be one thing and tomorrow with something different Really, that's a challenging position that requires, you know, we just An emphasis on people being flexible. He is embedded with the state police So I think he would have, you know, significant overlap and collaboration with the community outreach team The potential to correspond to things From where I'm sitting them corresponding is not a good thing. It means something really big is happening So I'm kind of hoping that doesn't happen very often And then the family crisis response is an effort We had a SAMHSA grant and then we just got another grant to help prolong the program because we're going It's just a tough time to hire people right now We feel like we're rebounding a little bit but the family crisis response is to try and Help families access the help without having to go to the emergency department You know, there's very often this would be another another item to put into like a public awareness campaign type You know efforts would be, you know, so often families go up to the ED And a lot of times they're turned away because Why ever they're there doesn't meet like the psychiatric criteria for being there But they're desperate. They're you know, they're not going up there just because you know, it's Fun, they're desperate. They're looking for help. So the family crisis response Kind of the framework of it is like License clinician, you know, it's got a little bit of experience with families and then A few what they call care managers to work with the family until they get connected to long-term services To try and help them get some support maybe develop some coping skills Without accessing the ED unnecessarily So certainly if the families There's an exciting after crisis or someone suicidal any of those those things Obviously, we would we would encourage them to go to the the ED But there's a lot of those instances where the ED is just not going to be helpful And it's a lot for a family to sit up there for hours and not be seen, you know It's just it's it's not good for anyone. It's it's not good for the family. It's a strain on the system it slow things down for for everyone so the The goal and the emphasis of that family crisis response is to focus on, you know families that are struggling for Doesn't even matter why just for whatever reason they're struggling to be connected longer than like a traditional crisis intervention, which is usually measured in moments This would Work with a family over the course of weeks to try and it gets bridged that gap so Probably a few more sentences is what you're looking for but that's that's kind of the the idea of it, so we're still hiring for that and and Really hoping to get to have it open actually Functional and running, you know by summer would have been ideal But now we're kind of aiming for having everything kind of worked out by time school starts back up again Thank you so much for those details. That's very helpful to know I know one thing that came up when we were doing some Listening sessions with community members was like the struggle to even sometimes like get up to the ed So just knowing that there might be other options Especially if folks feel that that's the only place they can go and it's really hard to get so Yeah, I had to hear about that and this this would be modeled very much like the outreach teams They would actually they would come to the family If it's if it's safe, right, you know, that's that's kind of where we're at So we want to remove all those barriers Thank you Thanks, Steve. Just curious what other Winooski based organizations and groups you're you're connecting with and Coordinating with beyond, you know city council police department All right, so I met with Elaine and The police department a few weeks ago Which kind of set the stage for I thought it'd be nice to come here and just This is where I'm starting so It felt like a good place to start That way, you know, I think we'd be willing to go and then provide information to any any community organization that was interested in and Having that discussion And we'll go from there. So just just kind of take me reevaluation of the work that we've been doing and And and I know all programs need to kind of get shook up once in a while And I think what we've been doing what the team has been doing since, you know, 2015 or 16 is is very valuable And we're just looking to kind of build on that Great any organization. Yeah, thank you. I think if you're if you have the capacity for it With our downtown Winooski events Winooski Wednesday's farmers markets or whatever I know those tend to be maybe a little after Hours around the weekend. I see you don't have weekend hours, but maybe Winooski Wednesday in the evenings or events elsewhere around the city Tabling at at those Okay events that are already planned and that groups are already coming to and attending could be a nice way to Do some of the education side of things and outreach some things that they were just talking about Yeah, that sounds good. Thank you Anything else? Are there any questions from members of the public? Okay? Well, thank you so much for coming in Scott. It's great to meet you. All right. All right. Thank you, you too Okay, let's move on to item B introduction of draft updates to the public building registry registry regulations So We've been quite some time since we updated the public building registry or the howling ordinances, so Figured we would start with the easier one which is chapter 17, which is really focused on how they Public building registry which used to be the landlord registry Functions as far as the requirement to be registered how the how the inspection cycle works so This chapter was pretty straightforward as far as updating In your packet it was included the kind of red line version we have sat with housing commission through chapter 17 in the housing chapter So your next meeting I will introduce That that update to that one that's a much bigger lift kind of a red line of the current We reformatted So kind of aligned with the other ordinances and there's enough Updating that it really just made sense to kind of red line what we currently have and present a new chapter And I thought I would just touch on a couple If folks want Paul to put it up If you're just trying to highlight you can touch on everything that's red-lined, you know, there's a couple highlighted areas in there You know in section 1702 B This is a this is something I haven't quite figured out yet And that's a requirement that all records including inspection reports records of complaints received and investigated And all plans for inspections of public building shall be available to for public inspection We do not have a forward-facing Software program where people can punch in and address these this is really manual Intensive for us and it requires the reason I bring it up as our vault and the street files Every property here has a street file so you can go to XYZ street and address and open the street file But if you think about we have years and years and years of documents some of our reports for some of the bigger buildings are 67 pages You know, so we generally tend to generate a lot of paper So it's kind of I haven't figured that that's what we currently do You know That's probably something that I would put pretty high on the list in the future of There are several wants to know The history of the buildings kind of wear rat with inspections So again, that takes a lot of time if someone comes in How far back they're trying to go what what exact information they're trying to get We don't want to just tell everyone you got to do a public records request if it's something we can point them in the right direction To kind of self advocate if you will The firehouse software doesn't give you a way to pull this stuff together electronically. So we can but it's manual Right, it's not a forward-facing public right generally can enter it But certainly I can go into that but at that point it becomes How are we recovering the staff time? So I'm saying this is very Okay, I mean you know intensive so I'd rather you know, if you think about if we get three of those a week That's that's three inspections. We're not doing somewhere else. We're having to Go back Okay So with this tangent slightly but the digitization of our Documents is that where is that all being stored and how is that being accessed? So that's really early and Eric's not with us unless he's online I don't know the update I know there are certainly efforts to digitize land records and you know a lot of that those pieces that has not come as far as the public building register, okay, and there's certainly Tons and tons of it in the ball. So I'm sure we'll get there. I'm sure we're part of their plan But I just wanted to call that out. Okay, because in here it says we need to do that and Frankly, we don't do a great job at that. It's you know, we're always kind of going back to so it's a lot of work The other piece I would call out is on page five and this is Just get my bearings here Section C in 1705 inspection requirements You Section C is if any building is exempt or excluded from our inspection program That would meet or exceed Duly adopted Codes that we do and in our case, it's the state of Vermont The reason we say this is you know if there's HUD properties Frankly, you know properties run by housing authorities their inspections or quality housing inspections often aren't at the level that we're doing You know life safety wise And so there is a gap so It's pretty important that we we've maintained, you know level playing field. Yes, they are inspected But are those inspections the same and I would I would say to you they're not And we want to make sure that they are across the board just because it's a six-story building And it gets quality of housing Inspections doesn't meet, you know, it doesn't mean it's it's a level playing field for the duplex across the street So we just wanted to kind of update that one page 6 of the same 1706 scheduling Another highlighted section is D. This has to do If someone's buying a property or transfer a ownership these are out-of-cycle inspections for us Oftentimes we've inspected a building And that inspection is two years old because we're in a four-year cycle and the finance company wants a more current inspection So it is a special I'm sorry. It's a special trip It's a special inspection for us. We refer to those as out-of-cycle those tend to be pressurized because the homes often under contract You know the the ordinance currently says we have up to 60 days to complete those and I would and I would contest as I think Jenny would Oftentimes people inspect expect those within days of calling us So again, we're we're setting aside a life-safety inspection to do an out-of-cycle inspection, so I haven't You know, it's likely this won't change Just I don't I highlighted it because I don't have a great answer for it just calling it out that is a pinch point for us 1708 issuance of certificates of fitness again these There's only like three more. I'll call out in the current Minutes in the current ordinance. It says if it's five or less Minor non-life-threatening violations We will issue our certificate of fitness and what that has turned into is our staff You working with a tenant a landlord thinks it's a minor issue and for the tenant. It's a major issue So, you know a burner doesn't work on a stove One of you know one of four burners doesn't work on a stove is a major issue for a tenant With a large family where the landlord it's a minor issue. So staff is you know trying to sort out as a minor is a major So we redlined those two provisions and is simply you're either compliant or you're not to get their certificate of fitness To take that that piece out because again, you know You're there and the property owner is pretty adamant that it's a minor issue and again the tenants been a year with you know Or if we're in a five four-year cycle, you know a couple years with only part of their stove working or another element You know part of the house That is major for them And so we want to we don't want to be refereeing those It's you're either compliant or you're not and Are there not clear definitions on what a major life? There's no way to do it, right? I would suggest how do I declare what a major, you know We we would not be doing justice to the tenants if I were to go through and and say what's minor and what's major But it says non-life threatening in here. I would argue that that's a little clearer, okay, I mean I Would suggest it's not because it doesn't stop there, right? I mean it's it's a You know Maybe a better example is a bathroom fan doesn't work You know for someone with an allergy or you know thinking that the moisture is going to create a You know mold issue They you know, that's a life-threatening issue for them and the property owners like no just open the window, you know So staff again, you know, there's there's lots of examples of We're trying to determine what that is because the interpretation is is much different And it would be a long list for us to try to go through and make that interpretation And I would suggest that it'd be very difficult to do justice to both sides of it And again, you know, why wouldn't we want them to be compliant the Why wouldn't we want that stuff fixed? It's in the code for a reason, you know Let's fix it Yeah, and you know the landlord Tenant issues are usually Because of those five minor things that you know, that's been interpreted as minor and that continues to Deteriorate the relationship and they're making it harder for us to do our job. Are there other municipalities that? Do do You know it rather strictly they're non-compliant or compliant rather than major mine You know, bro, I haven't read it word-for-word Burlington does have some provisions you know, they're they're structured much differently and You know, they have more people to spend time with the interpretation the follow-ups You know, what happens if there's six minor? you know, that's We're not afforded that luxury at this point so it wouldn't be worth Modifying this to say like I Guess I guess it the way it's kind of already written is for five or less minor Five or more then Yeah, I guess I have similar Questions that get into get into that a little bit more Yep And I'll do some more research Again where I landed on it is why wouldn't we want them compliant? It's it tends to side with the with the tenants You know quality of life issues is really what the minor stuff gets boils down to and fines wouldn't Fines wouldn't make a difference No, I mean, you know most of the time with the minor issues or the property owners are given 30 days For compliance on another part of the changes here is you know if they need more time than 30 days You know conditional is issued for up to one year, but that's written and signed by both parties So, you know, I'm not going to give a conditional Permit for to repair a bathroom fan. I I think it's pretty reasonable for us to say in 30 days You should be able to fix the bathroom fan You know those sorts of things sure Yeah, I did some compliance in a previous career and My low-level penalties and You know short short turnaround times like 30 days 60 days depending on the violations With follow-up seem to really work pretty well as far as getting getting compliance and sustaining compliance so That's why I ask about the penalty side of things. Yeah, and what I would say with the you know the follow-ups is again, I'm trying to you know, I Need to protect staff. I mean we're we're at capacity, you know, I wish I could tell you that we had tons of time We were We're at capacity like to tell you that we were about at capacity, but we are at capacity So follow-ups tend to Take a lot of time to get rescheduled That's often when we see that, you know, the tenant hasn't been noticed of the you know, they're re-inspection. This is That takes a lot of staff time kind of the lead-in to e if you will is In instances where landlords have nothing, you know, they've got a schedule and there are no show where they haven't noticed the tenants You know, we have the ability to to find them charge them a fee for that inspection Last week, I believe it was two or three appointments that there were no shows So are there considerations for any language barriers? No, this is it's mostly just about Accountability As far as us dealing with the property owners Yeah, and you know say where the language barrier comes in as a 48-hour notice, but we're usually pretty clear And it's usually a new relationship where that we see that start and we're able to educate and get them the resources That they need meaning the property owner communicating with the tenant And after that it's kind of an accountability thing. I'm gonna be honest. There's some property owners that just Still want to put the key in the door I'll probably ask you more questions offline. That's all good. I Think one Yes, I referenced in 1709 issuance of conditional certificate of fitness You know, we would only issue a conditional Again, this is our ability to follow up and and really It leads to more non compliance as we issue these if we're not careful So it's it's only done in instances where I know windows are three months out or you know Like through COVID. We're still dealing with you know supply chain Issues and or availability of contractors, but there needs to be a limit You know two years we can't be saying you still can't get a contractor I mean, we've got people that are doing this stuff in 30 days and some that are still saying, you know, I can't so We're trying to tighten that up a bit and as I said chapter 17, that's the Little bit simpler one if you will Obviously spend some more time on the housing piece, but please reach out with with other questions or comments. My only non content related Regmentation is to not capitalize letters that are not acronyms So just here and there. There's any shall only It shouldn't be all caps for those and Yeah for full disclosure, I have not sent this through Paul Who usually does our final editing and hasn't been through legal and that sort of thing till we get all the comments And that sort of thing and has Jasmine had a chance to look at this Jasmine is reviewing these Yeah, and just a note on process Which is included in the cover sheet before public consumption Want to get general consensus or support from us before legal review? And then I would imagine we would hold off on a public hearing process until we get 9 and 17 That's what we were hoping is kind of get through the introduction comments legal review and then Public hearing set for both that makes sense kind of carry these through together. Okay, and then that will lead to the fees You know, there'll be another update to the fee chapter once we get through these doesn't make sense to do that now Yeah, and I always have a have an interest in data and statistics. So anything you can offer about compliance rates and Any historic information you have about that always be of interest to me I have two questions The first is on page four section 17 And it's just the first sentence in the new red line It looked like I was trying to interpret it. It looks like there are two separate thoughts or are they the same? I was trying to figure out if like an op The occupancy poster is that part of the Certificate of fitness or is that kind of separate? So it is like their certificate of fitness. So in a place of occupancy it is an occupancy poster that is signalling that Said Place of assemblies to code So occupancy posters For a place of assembly you walk to the front door. It's very typical You know, we'll go check occupancy load. How many people can legally be in in said establishment? So we post that There you'd be surprised how many people that go to these Establishments will look at that as part of their own safety, which is great. I mean they're advocating themselves So, okay, that's helpful. That's very helpful Especially those came up and shifted a bit with COVID. So I'm sure people are looking at even closer The other one and this might Again, end up if it's just formatting. That's part of my confusion. It's on page back to page seven 1708 I think there might be a missing like closed parentheses. So I was trying to figure out There shall be a fee for an additional inspection And then there's a parentheses and I was trying to figure out kind of where that ends Yep, so other than there should be a close you are correct. So what we're saying there's there's an additional fee Unless it meets the criteria of D So there's no fee for the first follow-up within 30 days Or with a written Corrective action, but there is additional fees If they don't show up for scheduled inspection have not provided 24-hour notice and Provided us a 24-hour notice or notified that tenants is legally required Would there be additional fees for So if you have they do show up to the first inspection there are issues You have a second inspection either they don't show up for that where they haven't fixed the issues and don't have any reason Why is there a fee then yep? You'll you'll see that because When we get into the housing so view this as leading up to Trying to get in the door housing is going to deal with once we get in the door It's going to be very much more specific of you know, we're looking at the bathroom fan. We're looking at XYZ and And then yes, it does explain in there what happens if you continue to be non-compliant. Okay, perfect. Thank you so much Those are the two questions I had Are there any members of the public with question comment Do we feel we need to see this again or that we are supportive enough to move it forward for legal review? I Thought the legal review is going to be after all three chapters That's a good question. Are you waiting for both or are you trying to advance them one at a time? I'll probably advance them together because they do kind of lead into each other. Okay, but your comments are important I mean we want to make sure that you know, this has been very well vetted through the housing commission Yeah, so it just makes sense to kind of get them together and work with the legal team Well, let me know if any other Questions come up that we want to bring back later. Sure. And this is on just for discussion. Yeah Is there anything else useful to you? No, I think we're good, you know as far as the data Requests, you know anytime. I'm not sure how that you know, I get it informs our You know high level our updates as far as I Still want to go somewhere. I shouldn't as far as collection the data because You know, is that truly the driver for updating? You know, do we need that data? Do you want that data to do these updates? Or is that something you're looking for us to kind of talk about further in our future kind of visits with you? I think future that's fine. I just want to highlight also fine, of course And then given the next chapter is a complete red line. How what's your thoughts on that? Presentation as far as in front of council Is the expectation we're going to kind of go through that whole chapter? I don't want it to be that way Can we That's why I'm asking we maybe see that in it further in advance of the meeting sure and then ideally There would be some time for us to digest and maybe send some specific questions ahead of that And then when we get it to a council meeting it could be more of a like summary presentation like this Okay, so maybe the approaches we work one-on-one with some of your comments And I'll call those out Try to call those out that evening You know that I've addressed or this is how we Either we can or we can't or this is what we how we would propose dealing with yeah XYZ's that make is that a good approach? That sounds good. Okay. I just want to make sure because we could spend a Lot of time on yeah, and then if you have any overlap you can be like multiple counselors are looking at this So yeah, yeah, and it's always open if you know you probably have a lot of questions through that and we're open to One-on-one time if you want to go on an inspection and see what you know kind of why it's Layed out the way it is or why it says what it does How why it needs a function the way we're trying to get it to function We're always open to that is that one done already but hers housing still sitting with it I know it's done. So I can get that out. Yeah, we just didn't want to I we weren't sure right Yeah, and what they approach should be so I'll get with John And we'll try to get that out in the next Yeah When we're gonna do July 17th is the next so we'll we'll get it out Great. All right. Thank you. Thank you Okay next item for discussion approval the inclusion of belonging Commission stipend policy. Thank you. Welcome back Whenever you want to to weigh in What we have here is a stipend Paul pilot policy for the Inclusion of belonging Commission where we're just sort of spelling out To be clear for the Commission on what aspects of Their duties or their their Interest would be Be eligible for a stipend So if you refer to that We talked about meetings ideal Vermont We have our one of our members that attends those monthly meetings As well as being involved in the hiring process So this has been reviewed by the Commission Yeah, could I back it up a little further that we have Always approved having stipends for this Commission as a pilot This is a weird timing in order of operations because we let the Commission weigh in on the policy after Right like instead of approving this before and then giving them so that's why this seems They've been receiving a stipend since like they started like that's been part of the grant Right and so this is related to the grant funding, but normally in another scenario We would have approved this policy right then and there So that's why it might seem weird, but like we're already we're already doing this stipend pilot so this is really putting it specifically and I think one other thing with this Commission to remember is well I think exactly where to start Yes, so this is a grant This is all coming from a grant that our previous equity director when you check community challenge grant. Yep It's coming from that so it's not something that falls under the general fund And currently doesn't and the idea is to have this pilot for then the Commission to make a recommendation How pilots can then be For the council then to decide how pilots how stipends for commissions might be used in the future So it really is to get that recommendation. Is this a way to make government more accessible While I'm doing it with the specific Commission in mind too because they have the most expertise I'm kind of how that'll work and Then at the end of the pilot get that recommendation to council council can then decide like is it going to be a regular budget item? Is it something that goes like what commissions would fall under such a policy? What wouldn't so again? This is very much just to outline the pilot itself And one of the other items with inclusion and belonging Commission specifically is there a little bit outside of the traditional intentionally under their charter a little outside of the traditional Commission structure and Leadership structure within or the hierarchy within the city to in the acknowledgement that sometimes this work can't Work under the systems that you know have inequities built into them. So there's part of that built into this as well I hope that made sense Jenny I wanted to ask about the breakdown and cost estimates like I Gather that not everyone is is taking the stipend right now, but for example in 23 24 estimates If a full commission How do you get to three thousand dollars like isn't a full commission seven members? With a full commission. We did have one of our former commissioners not take a stipend Unfortunately, that person had to resign for personal reasons, but there was never a stipend for the one the remaining three members do Receive a stipend Yeah, but I'm asking why the estimate doesn't assume all seven would take a stipend Because we haven't had a full board. So for fiscal ending 23 is what you're asking 23 24 23 24 The commission is three or six members total. It's not it's not okay. Sorry. Yeah, the others are seven. Thank you So it's the intention. Yeah to try and then have one be an ambassador to each and then have the We do have two alternates which Our positions I have remained open If it was a full commission with six speakers and everyone drawing a stipend for a full year for one meeting a month Not two meetings a month All in cost would be thirty eight seventy five forty three thousand eight hundred seventy five dollars and forty cents Thank You Angela. That's why we have Angela here So sorry Angela, can you just so that? Nearly thirty nine hundred would be for One meeting per month one meeting per month for one member For all six all six for all six Thank you But I do know that most members are not attending just a single meeting a month There's definitely on average two to three with some attending more than that Depending on their role in in different initiatives Can I get more information on that my Understanding was there's alternating months inclusion belonging and then your liaison spot We have been paying stipends for interviews of commission members There have been months where inclusion and belonging has met and the representative has attended their Strategic vision area committee as well There's just been a few other things where people have been looped in Some interviews I think that was two for the finance and two for inclusion and belonging itself And we did want to include that within this policy because One of the items of inclusion belonging is to bring that representative voice and Having that voice as part of the interview process just seemed very important Obviously, that's not happening for every single commission And is can is kind of hard to predict so I believe Lane highlighted to what Jenny has here is a pretty good estimate With those considerations I'm a little bit uncomfortable with paying for the interviews in my experience of Participating in many applicant interviews. These are like 20 minute meetings with people Like $50 per and I'm doing for Windoski Valley Parks district. We have five applicants like is That $250 under this policy Were I you know, I think that is a conversation. I think it would be then letting Commissioners know like if that isn't something you want include the commissioners should know that that would be opting in without a statement and I think what happened in the past I think we had some longer interviews and what happened in the past too is that we didn't have a set policy And it seemed unfair for a commission member who You know, you made time out of their day to attend an interview and then to suddenly be told actually that doesn't count for your stipend So we if that is something the council wants to consider We then need to hold one. You don't have those voices as part. You might not have those voices as part of those interviews I Guess that is the biggest thing and we just all we were looking for Is just looking for a clear direction and approval so that we're all on the same page We do I do track an attendance sheet So for each commit any meeting that anybody attends and I'd be glad to forward that along Each commissioner You know, whether they were an ambassador or ideal Any meeting I track me attendance sheet And I think part of that too with some of those meetings might be three hours some of those meetings I've said might be 20 minutes. So there's that to where we're not tracking hours We're tracking the number of meetings. So well again idea like does it come out in the wash? I think It is one thing to compensate these official commission meetings ideal Vermont I Think paying $50 for a 20 minute applicant 20 or 30 minute applicant interview is excessive and that I Don't know. I feel like that kind of falls in the scope of your stipending them already official meeting participation There are these other opportunities to engage I'm also not comfortable listing Monewski school district in here. We haven't spoken to them I don't think we should include them in this for now. That should be require further conversation Which we can have after their new superintendent starts I think part of the intention there was yeah, I'm trying to balance that obviously the city and school are separate municipalities We also are holding that we have this The equity audit where people aren't or our residents are not seeing the city and school is separate. So that was yeah, that was very much With the intent of if the school would agree on items like Community events talking about the equity audit If there are high-level pretty much only the superintendent Positions where they would want feedback From the inclusion belonging commission Which is what what happened Yeah, I get the sentiment behind it I think I think we should I would ask that we remove that though and table it for a future discussion with school folks And in addition to what counselor heard mentioned is we did have one of our commissioners who was Interested in being on the superintendent search. So that was That was a small part of the conversation Following what counselor heard just mentioned Well, we should be at a minimum having I'm trying to get a second one but at a minimum having the joint meeting with the school board in the future and You know doing update on the equity audit work there I think this is a space where we could come back and say here's something that our commission suggested They would like to be included in these types of events, you know, think about that and if so then we could Potentially add it back in Yeah, I guess for me I also was just curious on How much conversation or communication is happening in advance of So obviously I attend a lot of meetings as well. I have Three or four other engagements beside two council meetings a month So is there a threshold to Saying at some point, you know, you're you're volunteering beyond what is of within the Specific city business. I Understand and thank you for that. What I tried to do was just present all that. There's so many variables Really, I'm not saying this is an easy test and I was just trying to come up with an amount that maybe is Representative maybe we're close to that. We could fall under, you know, depending on how many members of our Commission We have if we have alternates So right now just for clarification. You're estimating the 10,900 let's round up to being on the high end of an estimate. Yes Okay, especially as you can see compare what's on FY 23. Yeah Okay, obviously the ideal would be that they have a full commission and so right now if I'm understanding this correctly just to confirm what I'm reading here and then in the agenda attachments 10,000 from the Winooski Community's challenge grant would be covering this and the remaining remaining again give it Assuming this is a high-end estimate The remaining 900 would come from a general fund possibly Yeah That would probably be not for any time this fiscal year would be a possibility next I guess My only thoughts are in relation to the number of meetings and the relationship to I Guess the the key elements of the of the grant and The city city business Charlie do you have questions comments? I Think for the sticker price given our stated goals I Don't take any issue with what I'm being presented with right now I hear your concerns about including the school board school district about talking to them first I think that's valid, but fiscally I Think when we when we lift up people doing DEI work, we lift up everybody else by proxy it might take a little bit of time but Paying people to be at those specific types of meetings Sets a precedent to maybe paying other people for other type of volunteer work and we're desperate for volunteers right now So I see this as kind of like Kind of like a standing of good faith on the part of the city and the council Continuing to pay these stipends Yeah, and I can't help but think long-term about budgets and What information would be needed at the end of fyi 26 to justify and presume budget request for fyi 27 I I'm Siri Just thinking about right. I understand. I appreciate that. Yeah, I don't feel like this is a conservative estimate though like If we fill this body out in the next two years It's going to be higher and there are no interviews included in 24 25 and we always have interviews Right. I did not include him because I thought maybe we're good optimism That we're gonna have a full commission Wanting to be reappointed so we have our one-year term and we have our two-year terms But are we talking about also paying them to sit in on interviews for the commissions they liaise to? Yes, we're definitely never gonna have Not that happening Elaine had texted me prior to tonight's meeting and also asked me to run some figures the current grant also allows for The use of funding for child care and translation services if needed and she had me put together some Numbers for those as well It wasn't a significant number, but it would tap into some of those grant funds Further limiting their availability for stipends. Is there a point at which? So presuming just for discussion This could be an under estimate. Is there a point at which we would say We've hit we've hit we've maxed out our Forecasted budget What then so we we do have as part of the stipend pilot policy that the commission itself will review at every six months We not on our previous meeting, but the meeting before Jenny was able to provide a really detailed breakdown of Here what here's the budget for the grant here is what we do so far So the commission itself wants to kind of take some of that responsibility on Both being like okay, we need to report back at the end of this Pilot with information on like how does this actually work as well as with making sure that they're Using the budget in a way that makes sense and keeping an eye on it themselves Around the stipends and around child care and around language access A little bit more self-governance exactly. Yeah And again every six months so hopefully with enough time And could come up sooner if Jenny is like, oh There's a concern Can we bring it up sooner? in our commission we Involved the whole entire commission, so That's really important to all be on the same page. We all have the same information to put forth I'm willing to move this stipend approval forward I think with the community's challenge grant being ten thousand dollars an estimate of Approximately nine hundred dollars over it sounds like the Commission inclusion for longing Commission has some degree of regular check-ins with balance and Preferred self-governance To help mitigate any overages So I'd be comfortable with moving that forward as is do you want to make do you want to make a motion to move it forward with the removal of the I'd entertain a little district I'd entertain an amendment Would anyone like to second? second So we have a motion by Bryn a second by Charlie all those in favor, please say aye. Hi Motion carries, so we're just removing when you ski school district Thank you Yeah Okay, it was complicated, but there's just a lot it's good work a lot to it. Thank you Thank you All right. Oh wait, I didn't call for public comment. Is there any public comment questions? It's only to two people from staff and they attend this list right now. That's a staff name. I'm sorry Okay, let's move on to item D our straight state treasurer's report I believe that John is present for this This is an annually required item from state statute that must be presented to counsel and signed off by the chair of the Commission Thanks, Angela So good evening city council I'm here to present the FY 23 internal controls checklist So the purpose our internal control checklist is intended to function as a tool for evaluating the state of our systems of internal controls Internal controls are a system of policies procedures reviews saturation of duties and other activities that are used to minimize the risk of asset loss Produce accurate financial statements and conduct operations in an efficient and orderly manner When going through our internal to control checklist the intent is to spot any controls that are missing or weak It is important to do this before our auditors do So we have reviewed this year's checklist Angela and I and I believe Elaine as well and made necessary updates However, if you believe there are weaknesses now or in the future, please reach out Any questions? So this looks like the checklist itself comes from state statute, is that correct? That's correct. Yep, then we fill it out When was the last time the statute was updated? It's done annually and then we just redid it last week I Don't know the last time that the state statute regarding this section. Oh, I'm sorry. I think regard. I thought you're referring to the checklist So this is a document that is referenced the actual checklist itself doesn't come from the statute They've actually changed this a few different times This is a much more streamlined version than when we were filling out probably eight or nine years ago That one used to be multiple pages Okay, and so this the statutory language has not been updated in The recent last two three years I'm assuming Not that I'm aware of now Just wondering if there's best practices that they have Recurring reviews of you know similar to how there's an annual review for us. Is there ever Recurring review of the statutory language It doesn't say the statutory language is is pretty brief It just states that the town treasurer shall annually on before June 30th complete and provide to the select board a copy of the Through a public-private partnership Preconstruction phase where we are paying for design services that they contract out. So and we've been paying on invoices We are currently at invoice number requisition number five this should be our last design requisition invoice until we come to another agreement with them So unfortunately we do have to move some money around to make this this payment So that's why it's a two-part agenda item Yeah, so we have exhausted all the reserve funds that are available in the on-street parking fund And we cannot touch the Cascades garage parking fund It has pledges against it for the TIF district until the expiration of that debt So we need some additional funds in order to remit this invoice We have always anticipated using community and economic development reserve money for this project to alleviate some of the need for borrowing There is currently $421,000 available in the community and economic development fund of which we are requesting Just over three hundred and eight thousand dollars be authorized for use of reserves We would transfer that money to the on-street meter fund for payment of this invoice Thank you Questions from counsel Is there any finance do we get any financial Is there anything negative that happens to our Balances or to our readings or anything for moving this amount of money around? No, nothing detrimental this money is marked as restricted or assigned in our Balance sheets because it is restricted by your trustee agreement For community and economic development We believe that the development of a hotel and housing on this site meets that criteria is this I Don't want to say it's an expected expense, but I assume that this is something that Has been in the works This would go towards the overall eleven point six million dollar cost So this isn't unanticipated necessarily it's just sooner We were anticipating being able to draw this down out of the debt when we take it on We're just paying it out of a different source And and using our internal funds versus the borrowing funds first Unfortunately the more design phase we do the less construction monies we have to actually Build the project so it's all So with money going towards design does that modify What the borrowing? Well, we know we are only borrowing nine point one Million dollars for this project so we aren't able to decrease that number for this We do need all of that in order to do construction phase We did have some grants, but They're not as high necessarily and any new grant sources are not able to defray that cost either Those have to go towards Overages initially. Yeah, when when you all reviewed the Back in December when you were looking at sort of the cost of the overall project This this invoice was part of that The other questions Would someone like to make a motion to approve use of the community development fund balance Motion by Bryn second by Aurora all those in favor, please say hi. Hi any opposed Any abstaining did you say I I didn't Okay, I will say I then motion carries Moving to item G Part two step two step two so now that you have authorized the transfer those reserve funds for use for this We're now actually asking for official authorization to cut them a check and give them money This is essentially a warrant that would have normally appeared on your consent agenda But because of the reserve we've created a special warrant any additional questions and Just confirming that staff feel like our agreement is pretty short up with With the partners and We don't have any concerns for this No, we this is an amended request. So John did work with bill on the initial request We went through a little fine-tooth comb came to an agreement on splitting the costs on a couple of the Invoices and removing a spurious invoice that was actually not related to our project Thank you for your attention to detail. Is there a motion to approve payment of the requisition? So Motion by Bryn second by Aurora all those in favor, please say aye. Hi. Any abstaining Motion carries Thank you Let us invite Ray Ford for the safe health connected people update item H All right, you hear me. Okay. Yes, welcome Microphone Yeah, so happy to be here Not too much specific call out. I guess per usual We'll just ask if there's any questions on this item, but I think by and large it looked You know like things are moving forward as expected and it stated overall And things that were not I think Yeah, he was just saying There's nothing Nothing surprising or too complicated. Are there any questions from us about specific items? Right, this is something you can answer. This is more of a wider question So I did see that there is an update to the regional dispatch that it has been officially put on hold through 2025 and I'm just wondering What is going to happen to the funds and the FY 24 budget that we're specifically Going to go towards I Guess positions and costs related to this Related to the assumption that it was gonna launch Yeah, I do not If he's body or and love who is there they're both here Ray. Oh perfect perfect. Yeah, so Elaine's official Delegate to that but I did attend that meeting And the board is at the they're asking the communities that have put that money in there to leave it through Early 25 so there'll be a written agreement You know, there's there's still so many unknowns with the state bill of How Chittenden County will fare through the statewide study and kind of where this all goes? So they're not asking for any additional monies They're gonna continue to do official meetings as needed to keep that entity Compliant if you will And the proposal was put forth that to keep that money there in case something Does change at the state level and there's an opportunity And then it would be refunded in early 25 There's a date specific that if something doesn't change by then that money would be refunded to the communities What about the There were some there was a specific position being created under the police department To do if the paperwork that the dispatchers are currently doing that's under our budget So again, you know this this really raises some questions internally of what we do with dispatch You know You know, I don't mind telling you PD would tell you there. They're pretty happy there You know, they don't have a lot of concerns of what goes on On the fire I have some serious concerns with fire and EMS on how that transpires Not because of our dispatchers by virtue of the system and what I mean by that is, you know, just today. There's a Emergency at the river You know and rescue was called for a person in the water Our call was for an unknown medical They're very different, you know, the other night a elevator emergency It just seemed like a regular elevator emergency for us The rescue is told that there's a woman in distress in the elevator That's a big difference in how we respond and those are constant Disparities and it's not just it's not our dispatchers. It's how we're doing business You know, that's going to different locations So you're going to hear pretty clearly for me that this is a big concern for Winooski as we continue to grow I am super concerned for the safety of our residents and I'm super concerned for my staff as this continues So I guess the disparities what I'm wondering specifically is we've set money aside With the assumption that dispatch was going to change We have that money. What are we doing with that money? Like can it go towards alleviating that can it go towards equity work? So we put additional money aside For this that didn't go into the region of dispatch folks I think that's a question. We need Elaine to dig into I think our internal, you know number one Elaine needs to be You know leading that discussion, but our public safety teams need to be part of that Discussions about that. Okay, that's mostly my question is So we needed we needed regional to kind of make this decision and I think the states You know this the direction the state is taking You know kind of made that decision for yeah The regional dispatch locally Thank you for that clarification I just yeah thinking to like how are we best supporting you all are there funds that could be used to better do that Or better do the equity work? So I know those were things that were discussed during the budget session that will put aside for the regional dispatch contingencies, so I appreciate that Finance side of things so it sounds like there's funds already committed was the Line item that was set aside for a regional dispatch hat. Is that in a combined fund with the other participating municipalities So our funding next year or Regional dispatches within the police department. Okay, so it's within the PD budget is sitting in the professional services line item Elaine and I were discussing how that funding would be reallocated We obviously need some of it to go back to the salary line items to pay for dispatch for the year So we're going to do the calculations for how much of it needs to go there. What's the remaining number? Okay, and what is the best use of those funds to bridge If there's anything that we need to address in the short term before the potential regionalization of dispatch Taking it out of that funding rather than allocating reserves But there's a lot of potential we haven't started narrowing it down yet We just know that we do need to do a budget adjustment. Okay, and for the funds that are that we've already contributed So those were reserve requests that went to That have been paid so Related to those reserves that we've already been paid that we've already contributed to the other is that sitting in like an escrow So it's in the account of that municipality regional dispatch Which is a separate municipality and their agreement is all all parties are going to leave that money in there All the communities I believe that we're at that meeting interest bearing That I we would have to get that info for you It feels like a lost opportunity if we know that That volume that It would be great to have that confirmed They're and something that may need to wait for Elaine to get back I had some questions about asset for for sure And she fever it's not here to speak to that So we can I had some of questions it was for Elaine I don't I had So chief Hebert had asked for a canine unit that didn't come through for various reasons We had seen council had seen some additional requests for some infrastructure upgrades to the facilities And I had wondered could the asset for future funds contribute to some of those facility improvement requests in absence of the line items that were requested but not fulfilled and Elaine said that there were some other requests that were going to be made by staffer Priorities potentially and asset for future has some specific requirements on it can only be used to supplement Not supplant so we can't use it for anything. That's just a rehab It would have to be something that is new that we do not already have so like a toilet Yeah, the bathroom would be supplement supplemental But like they're redoing the floor down there right now we couldn't use it for that So there's that delineation. We also do use asset for future money in criminal investigations and it's been supporting a lot of the Additional training that we've been sending the leadership and specialized training for the officers for quite some time So there was a healthy lined item for training. It's not nearly enough for the full Slate of officers that we have there's 16 Officers on roster. I think it's actually down to 15 now if we divided that evenly they each get like one training And not including any of the normal use of force firearms certifications. Yeah, I mainly was interested in advancing the facility Request to install Install a toilet that doesn't currently exist and it is a pretty healthy fund when we have a number of Claims that are still pending coming from the DOJ from the DEA work that was done Unfortunately because we no longer have an officer that works directly with DEA that has kind of dried up But we have a pretty healthy balance In that fund at this point That's what I have for the moment Any other questions? Okay, thank you all Thank you Moving on to item I Our world a refugee day refugee day resolution so when you see has been Joining the worldwide recognition of June 20th as World Refugee Day for more years than I've been involved So we're looking to put forward that resolution again to celebrate and honor refugees living in our community And also in support of the service providers here in Vermont that are working with these community in our communities with residents Any questions or comments? Okay, do I have a motion to adopt the resolution? Motion by Charlie second by Aurora all those in favor, please say aye. I motion carries. Thank you We have reached the end of our regular agenda We have worn an executive session pursuant to state statute section 313 exempting from public inspection Contracts for the lot 70 development and settlement agreements discussion I am looking for a motion to find that we should have this discussion in executive session as having it in open Would put the city at a disadvantage So moved second motion by Charlie second by Brynn all those in favor, please say aye Hi motion carries And a second motion to enter executive session inviting John Rauscher Angela all all DRI and Our attorney Bob De Palma Second motion by Brynn second by Charlie all those in favor, please say aye. Hi motion carries So we will enter sorry. It's okay. I Think I hear it but a couple seconds late, so we will enter into executive executive session now This is the only item of business that we will discuss nothing else will be discussed We will not be taking any action this evening and we'll reconvene only to adjourn Do you want to sit in here or go in the other room