 If you want to pump your body and expand your mind, there's only one place to go. Mind pump. Mind pump. With your hosts, Sal DeStefano, Adam Schaefer, and Justin Andrews. In this episode of Mind Pump, for the first 22 minutes, me, Adam, and Justin have some fun conversation. We talk about our favorite generation, millennials. They are our favorite. Actually, we really do like them. And we lift them up. Don't miss out on the Netflix cartoon Big Mouth. Yeah, we talk about Big Mouth. I can't wait to watch it tonight. We talk about puberty, raging hormones. I thought it was going to say boners. Raging hormones. Excited. We do talk about boners. We talk about Beyond the Barbell becoming one of our go-to podcasts. We actually hung out with the hosts of Beyond the Barbell. Great guys. Yeah, awesome guys. And then we had some fun conversation about me being coached by my girlfriend, Jessica. And the way we choose the music. And the music. Yeah. It was special. 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People, there's a lot of shit talk and we've even done it jokingly about millennials, but can I tell you something right now? I have not, this generation is more inventive and more entrepreneur minded than our generation was for sure. Well, when you look at for sure, because the tools are changing the whole game. It's because it's cool. Everything needs invention right now. But it's cool to be an entrepreneur. Well, we're part of Google Facebook era. Yeah. I mean, that's the mantra there. I mean, that's totally, they encourage all this, you know, they want this creative freedom and flexibility. They're working with people as opposed to doing their own thing. If you know anything about how they structure their work environment, it's totally designed around. The group mind. Yeah, it's definitely the group mind and these guys are very, but here's the thing though. Here's the knock. I'm going to come back at you with this. Is that, you know, it sounds really cool and exciting. Like when they come up with all these ideas and stuff, but the percentage still applies. That freaking 90% of them will fail. It just, it's cool to see the energy at that young of an age. And there's a little bit of a selection bias considering these are so far. We're talking about is people who are interning with us or are contracting with us. And these kids are just, they're hungry. They're smart. They're creative. They want to learn. They also want to grow. And I don't know about you guys, but I cannot help, but like just fall in love with these kids. When these kids come in here, like I have such a, like Drew, like, you know, just this young kid doing our editing, like so like upbeat and has all these ideas and joy. Yesterday he was telling me all about how he's learning neuroscience and all that, you know, in class, you know, fired up. Just want to hug him. Yeah. You know what I mean? Get him a headlock. So cute. Yeah. Get him a little headlock. Keep that energy high before you get squashed by life. You know what I mean? Keep it up. Go travel. Get his shit out of your system. You'll never get it again. You get a fucking real job. You have to stay in. You can't get up and travel. Do all this shit that you like love to do. I think just a little jealous. Totally. You know, I had to like, you know, it's funny whether the extra six and who is it? Was it Drew? He was talking about how like he's talking to some girl or was going to talk to some girl and immediately I'm like, no girls. Like don't waste your time on girls. Fucking slow you down. There's plenty of time for girls so much right now. Yeah. Don't worry about the meanwhile. His hormones are telling fuck you. Have you guys seen the cartoon big mouth yet? No. Oh my God. I think I saw Netflix. Yes. I saw a little bit. I haven't watched it yet. Just watch five minutes. It's terrible. It is terrible. I'm trying to remember it though. I just remember it was terrible. Well, it's so the whole cartoon, it's a cartoon, right? It's very South Park-ish, right? It's got that type of crude humor. But it's the whole cartoon is about teenage boys and girls. Oh, yes. Going through puberty. Oh, yeah. I saw the first episode. So periods and boners and likes. Oh my God. Like that is, and masturbation is like the whole thing is around that. There's this one scene. So it's these two like the first episode, which is what I saw is like these two kind of nerdy kids. And one of the guys is going through puberty before the other guy and he gets out of the shower and his buddy. He sees his buddy's dick. And he's like, what the fuck? And his buddy covers up and he's all like self-conscious. Like, dude, it's so big and hairy. Like, mine doesn't look like that. And then on the flip side, the same guy is going through puberty. They depict his, his like, his like horniness as this like hormone monster that comes out. Yeah. And it's a big giant dick. It's a big giant. I started to have this idea. It's a big giant dick. And it's like talking. He's like in class, right? He's sitting in class and the monster comes up. The monster comes up and he's like, hey, what's up, buddy? He's like, not in here, man. I'm in class. He's like, come on, man. Let's go to the bathroom. I swear to God. That's so funny because I had, I had this like skit idea of like this kid that what gave this idea was remember Teen Wolf? Like, I like amounted it to like being like, you know, as you're going through puberty, like it was like this monster that like you've turned into like, and you walked around raging boner. Justin, you will love the show. Katrina actually really likes it. She's, I think we've watched three or four episodes. Now we typically put it on. That already won me over. The one scene that killed me, bro, was he slept over his friend's house. So he's in his, he's on the floor in the sleeping bag and his buddies in bed. There's so many stories. I know everybody can relate to. He's like, he's in there. He's in his buddy's room, right? And then the horny monster, the hormone monster comes up. He's like, hey, man, your buddy, he's sleeping right now. Why don't you, why don't you come on? Why don't you rub one out? And he's like, no, man. I'm in my friend's room. I can't be doing. Go away, go away. And he's like, he's like, hey, look at, he's like, I don't remember what he said. There's a clock. There was a kitty clock. Oh yeah, there was a kitty clock. He's like, look at that kitty clock. Like, cause you know when you're that age, everything turns you on. That dirty little pussy. Yeah. Yeah. It's cause it's a cat clock. Anything. So he like jerks off and next to his buddy and then the next day, his friend was kind of weird doing it. He's like, oh fuck, did he see me? Did he see me? Like God damn it. Why is he acting all weird? It's funny because it's obviously, it's obviously comedy, but you can relate so much. Oh, it's extremely inappropriate. So it's not for kids whatsoever, but it's fucking hilarious. I'm watching that tonight. It's super crude. I'm into it. That, to me, the kid going through puberty and the whole relationship. Dude, it's so, it's so true. Yeah. Like every boy that went through puberty struggled. There's definitely a scene in there that you'll go like, oh, I remember. There's a date. I remember. And they do the other side with the girl too. So the girl like gets her period and she's wearing white shorts at like some fuel trip and shit. It's super graphic too. Dude, it's like over the top. Dude, I remember, I remember distinctly like, because I go to work with my dad in the morning. So it's like early in the morning. I'm like, I don't know, 13. We're driving in the, in the, in this is like big van. He used to drive this big work van, right? This big old like, you know, loud van. And we're driving to the work and I'm half asleep. And it's like, you just fucking, you're just getting boners. Like for no reason all the time. And you're in a car with your dad. Yeah. You know what I'm saying? I used to get so mad like, fuck, I told you I had a boner when I was at a funeral. It was like somebody I knew and I was like, you know, sad and everything. I had a boner. And I just, it was so confusing. I was like, no, why? That's why this show is so great because it's that conversation that you're having with yourself at moments like that. And they made a cartoon out of it. It's just fucking, it's called Big Mouth on Netflix. And I don't know how I came across it, but it's freaking hilarious. Those are the days. Those were the days when life was simple and all you had to think about was what was it? Bro, when I was, when I was, I mean, five times a day, when I was like 13 years old, I actually got, which is kind of common in boys going through puberty. I got a little bit of gynecomastia at 13 years old. Oh really? I did. And I went to the doctor. Is it too much masturbating? No, because I had, his estrogen levels were trying to keep up with all the testosterone being pumped out. So I went to the doctor and I remember, and it was very mild, but I remember asking the doctor like, what's going on? And the doctor was like, oh, that's normal, your testosterone. Like my testosterone levels went from zero to five million. It was like overload. Overnight, dude. Overnight. It was terrible. I felt the same way too. Yeah. I was always, I remember too, I remember being a kid and I distinctly remember when it happened. Like when I noticed that too. Like when I was in jazzers, like so my mom would drag me to jazzers size and I just, wait. What? You really bit into jazzers? I had to like wait till the whole class was done and I'm sitting there and she'd give me some toys or something to play with or whatever. Toys? Well. How old are you? I was like 17. Yeah. I was in toys. I was reading. I don't remember. Here's toys. Here's some Lincoln Logs. Mom's gonna go do her jazzers size. I'll be right back. I was 13 years old. 12, yeah. We brought some Legos. Yeah, some Legos. We'd stack them up. I had to wait until, anyway, so I was waiting until the class is over. And then just one class in particular. It was like, whoa, this like rush of like feelings I've never felt. Like if all the girls danced around, yeah, it happened. Well, the weirdest moments would always be when it would come on as a kid when you were in a situation there was nothing hot or sexy about it. That's the worst. Yeah. Because then you think you're hanging out with your mom and dad and it's just like, oh my god, this is disgusting right now. It looks like I'm with my mom and dad right now. It's bad. Oh, it was terrible. I mean it was. But every boy went through that. But looking back, right, what a gift. Like, did you imagine if you had that ability? Like on command. Imagine if you had that ability as a, you know, 35 year old, 40 year old male. Yeah. Oh, actually probably torturous. Yeah. It'd be torturous. It'd be cool for a weekend. Don't you remember how torturous it was as a young boy? I remember driving my girlfriend crazy as a high school kid. Yeah. Just all I wanted to do was kiss and touch boobs and grab ass and like, it was, I remember to a point where it just enraged me. It enraged me. Like I would just be angry. Like we just didn't mess around all the time. Like that's all you want to do is a 17 year old boy. That's why the Hulk made sense to me. Yeah. Well, I, on several occasions hurt myself. That's how bad it was. Several occasions caused damage to myself. Because it was too flaky. It was too flaky. Too hard or what? Too much. Yeah. It was too much. You know what I mean? Call that Gator dick. What do you call it? Three. Anything after three is too much too. After three. But yeah, it was just, but that's a lot of testosterone. Wasted on the young. You know what I mean? Absolutely. Wasted on the young. So anyway. How'd you, what'd you guys think about our boys from Beyond Barbell, man? Beyond the Barbell. Great dudes. Yeah. Like really, really cool guys. Super smart. Super cool. Like very intelligent guys. I really enjoyed talking to them about coaching and personal training and business because they understand, they understand the intricacies of leadership and personal training on a very, very high level. I was very impressed with the way that they describe things and explain things. They both come across as two gentlemen with lots of integrity, which I really, really like. So really cool, man. I can't wait to, we'll see what happens with that episode. It's just exciting to meet people. I guess from the old guard, they're kind of describing like the true mentality of it, you know, going into the games and everything else and then kind of what happened as a result of the popularity and all that kind of stuff. Yeah. CrossFit's an interesting phenomena, isn't it? Just an interesting phenomena, how it grew and they seem to believe that it's kind of reached a peak and it's kind of plateaued a little bit in terms of its growth. Oh, I think a lot of people will think, well, statistically, you can look it up as far as the success of clubs. I mean, ever since, like your orange theories and stuff now, I mean, they're definitely taking a piece of that pie. Before, just five years ago, CrossFit had that pie to themselves. And not only, orange theory is just one example of many other places that are trying to take that model. They just, they did it first. They did it first. They exploded. And now you're starting to see everybody else is kind of taking a page out of this, like, oh, okay, this small, I mean, we just were looking at photos of that red dot place, which is similar type of deal. You're trying to create this little small atmosphere where you feel connected to your members and build the culture there. It's smart and there's a lot of good to it. I think that we have gotten away from that with big box gyms, you know, I know that there, most people don't talk to each other in that. And I don't think that's healthy for us as humans. No, the fitness, the big box gym went, they went wrong. They did. They really took a turn for, which open, it just all it did was open the door for other businesses, you know, like the, the successes of CrossFit in particular with the female market and with exercise selection, like, you know, dead lifts and squats and the effective movements was directly the result of the failure of what the gyms were failing at. The avoidance of those types of exercises. The gyms did a shit job of getting women to lift weights. They did a shit job of it, just terrible. CrossFit single-handedly in 10 years did more than the gyms did in, you know, 30 years in terms of getting women to actually want to lift weights, which I think is phenomenal. It's absolutely phenomenal. So I'll give them credit all day long with that. You know, I struggled though because I could never do class settings like that. I could never do a class, no matter what. It's a tough monster. It is. It's just, I actually, I love and enjoy my headphones and my piece and lifting by myself. Oh, I see what yourself for your own workouts. Yeah, yeah. Like, you know, I'm not that type of, and I can't be alone, right? There's got to be other personalities that are like mine where I don't want to talk to fucking Susie and James, you know, every Monday, when we're all sweating together, like, no, it's not me. Like, I'm good with my relationships. I have anything I need to spend more time with those that I already love. Like, I don't need to add more people into my part. Are we just assholes? No, it's just to me. I feel the same way. We're like fitness grinches. Yeah. No, I just think, I think I have built my... My humbug. I have built my one hour a day of training into part of kind of my meditation. I think I've also included other forms of true meditation, but it's always been a happy place for me, a recovery time. I agree. It's always been that space for me. And yeah, I don't want to share it. I mean, it's even like Katrina and I, when we live together, she respects that with me. It's like, I still wear my headphones. Like, I'm not talking to her. Like, I like encourage her, hey, if you want to live with me and you want to do what I'm doing, absolutely. And of course I'm watching her and stuff, but she's got a great mechanic. So to me, it's like, that's my space and that's my time. And I like to be by myself. So I totally agree with you. I love working out alone. I love, you know, putting my headphones on or getting into my space. But I tell you what, man, I've been working out with... Now, me and Jessica, when we work out together, we actually, like we work out together and we coach each other. And I... You let her coach you? You know what's great about it? Absolutely. Wow. You know why it's awesome? First off, having another pair of eyes on you is always great. Number two, you know, when I train, I'm always have a tendency to let my ego take over a little bit or not judge a lift or... And she'll check me. And it's... I respect her in that sense because she's a great... In her own right, she's an excellent trainer. She understands biomechanics very well. She understands imbalances very well. So she'll give me some advice and if I find that I get... And this is my own personal growth. If I find that I'm like, no, I'm not going to do it. You know, then I ask myself, like, why am I so resistant to what she's, you know... Why are you challenging that? That's pretty big. Absolutely. Yeah, no, I'm very surprised. And by the way, Jessica has not a knock on you as a trainer. That's just... I'm surprised that Sal even allows that to happen. So did you... When you first started doing this, did you struggle with that? Was did she like... Like the very first time? Like there had to been a time, right? Where she'd never said anything before. You guys worked out that all of a sudden she says, hey, your hips are rising a little too fast on your deadlift. So I would... So it happened like this. When I first started working out with her, I was coaching her a lot, more than she was coaching me. Then when we would incorporate flexibility stuff, I would have her coach me a lot because she's a wizard when it comes to that, just from her experience traveling with the Cirque du Soleil and training with all these like expert acrobats or whatever. So I would have her help me with that kind of stuff. And then she's such a sponge. She learns so quickly that I would start asking her questions like, hey, when I'm squatting, can you keep an eye on my hips or my knees? Let me know what this looks like or what do you notice here? And she would point them out like, okay, at the bottom of the squat, you're shifting to the left or it looks like your knees are going in or your feet, especially my feet, I'd say watch my feet because I was always a tough one. And she'd be like, okay, your feet are pronating. So I would use her cues. I would cue her to give me cues. But now we've been working out so long together that if she's gonna give me advice, I'm gonna definitely consider it. And again, it's another pair of eyes for somebody that I trust. So you never really struggled with it then? You never really had a time where you're just like... You know where I struggle? I'll struggle when it comes to the pace of the workout, the intensity, because sometimes I think differently like, no, we need to move at this pace or whatever. And here's a big one. This is the one thing that we argue about when we work out music. The one thing because... And so now we've... The age old war between members in the gym. She likes... Okay, so here's a deal. Like when I work out, I don't work out to music I like to chill and listen to. That's different music. The music I like to sit and listen to is nice music. It's fun. It can be great, whatever. When I lift, I want to lift to music that makes me fucking angry. You want to charge you. Yeah, I want to be fucking, oh, you know, rage against the machine, lamb of God, you know, like seppeltura. Like I want to be... Yeah. She hates that shit. Like most... Like a lot of people do, but most women do. Doesn't like it. It's probably more distracting for her. No, she likes to listen to music that you would listen to. She likes to enjoy the music. I'm like, no, I can't lift to that. Like that's not... So we compromise to where she'll pick music on some days and I'll pick music... So now she's yawning. Exactly, on other days. And the one genre that we can both lift to is 90s rap. Because then I can... I'm picturing this right now. Yeah, so am I, dude. And so I got the same picture right now. I'm laughing right now. I'm picturing Sal this shirt off the garage with this girl stretching in the splits position. And there's some... We're an MC Hammer pants. No. And too legit to quit. It's in the background. No, like Tupac or Dr. Dre, you know what I'm saying? No, no, no. But popular. Yeah, exactly. Like real ice shit. Exactly. That's what I say. Exactly. That's the only music... That's the only music we both can like lift hard to. You know what I'm saying? Young MC. Tone low. Mama said knock you out. Actually... Hip hop, hooray. That's what I'm saying. You know what I'm saying? And that's the jam. Actually, this morning we had an argument over it because she's like... She hooks her phone up and she's like, Oh, I'm gonna put music on. I'm like, no, no, no. You got yesterday. I'm like, yeah, today's a heavy day. Like that's my workout day. She's like, no, no. She said that I would... And I'm like, whatever, put your music on. So she's like, fine, we'll put yours on. I'm like, why? She's like, because I don't like to listen to my music if I know you're fucking hating it. And then what happens is... Oh, man. Dude, God bless your soul, bro. God bless your soul. You know what happened? Because even that conversation right there... That's it. I'm done. That's it. That's no compromise. Kudos to you, dude, because after that conversation, you're out. That's it. You were in. You were slow growth. You were into the workout. That's it. Now you work out by yourself. No, it's a... You know what it is? It's because I'm an asshole. If I do let her put... If she does put music on, then what I'll do is I'll make fun of the music while we're working out. Oh, no. Yeah, so I'm a dick. I've done that back with movies. You know what I mean? My wife cannot watch anything. She'll be like, come on. She'll be like, come on. Just let me... I want to listen to country, like, please. I'm like, all right, it's cool. Yeah, I can put country on. It's fine. You can do... Then while it's on, I'll be making fun of it, and then I'll be doing it. Yeah, I'm like, all right. Like, what's wrong? And I'm joking around. She's like, it's not the same... I ruined the whole Twilight series from my wife. Did you? Yeah, I'm like, I'm a fucking vampire and glitter! It's my power! She's like, shut up! I'm just like, you know, being observant. This is what they have. This is what they have to offer. I had lost boys. You have this. What is this? Anyway, so this morning, we'll work out to rage against the machine. You won the argument. That was... Yeah, that was... cool. She's totally. She's down. She'll listen to it and work out, but tomorrow we're going to listen to like. I'm pretty sure we're going to listen like Jubel or Hame or something like that, which is good music, but it's not lifting me. What is that? I already know that is. It's like, it's kind of like, I don't know how to explain it. Hame is like, it's like pop kind of actually love their music. I love them. They're like some of my favorite artists. I just don't lift weights to them and then Jubel's kind of like it's almost like trancy, but not. You know, I don't know how to explain it. I'll have to, I'll have to play some music. Yeah. Did you got me lost right now? I want to picture what you hate that. I don't know like music. I'm going to pull up one of their songs. You have to. Because I want to, I want to hear what this music sounds like an old man now. I need to try and picture myself in the garage, lifting to something like that. Yeah, yeah. Let's see. I think it's all, let's all get to this place. I think this is the song that she always likes to listen to. Hold on one second. We'll wait for it to start, start playing. Yeah. Right here. She loves this fucking group right here. Okay. It's really doesn't have a breakdown at least. No, dude, listen, like it's good music. You want to make love to it? I'm not trying to lift to it. Are you like deadlifting at this point? No, this is, this is for trigger days, bro. I wait. I get the foundation to work out days. I'm sorry. Yeah, I'm sorry. I can't, I can't, I can't do it. You know what? I heard a saxophone in there. Sal gets the award. You're the better. You're the better man. Yeah, man. You got, you got patience award of the year. 2017 Man of the Year from Mind Plump Media. Sal wins. Sal wins the award for this one. I tell you what, because I, because I value it, I get something out of it too. So you got to give, you got to give something to get some. Oh, wow. Wow. Bring on the sensitive bird. Workouts lead to sex sometimes. This clause brought to you by OrganiFi. For those days, you fall short on getting your organic veggies or whole food nutrition, OrganiFi fills the gap with laboratory-tested certified organic superfoods to help give your health and performance the added edge. Try OrganiFi, totally risk-free for 60 days by going to OrganiFi.com. That's O-R-G-A-N-I-F-I.com and use a coupon code MINDPUMP for 20% off at checkout. First up is Santa GT. He's going into business with his brother and he's extremely nervous. Any tips in getting into business with family? Yeah, don't do it. Yeah, yeah, yeah. I think that, I think it's an extremely bad idea. I think if you're actually asking a question about it, that's an even another cue that you're- Flag, flag, flag, flag, flag. You're already telling yourself. Isn't that like business rule number one? Well, never getting to business with family. Yeah. That being said- Or she left you another. I have a sister that works for the company, but here's- But you're not partners. Well, yeah, we're not partners. And not only that, but we make a conscious effort to separate her from me. So I am in no communication. So she works for our company and I don't even communicate with her ever about business. And it's put into place for that reason because I don't ever want her doing a good job or a bad job ever to affect my love for her as a sister. And that's inevitable if you work in a company. Like there's definitely times where I guarantee you that it doesn't go perfect, something that she's supposed to do. And if I was having to directly manage her, that would be a lot of stress for me because if she was just a normal person and not my sibling, I'd probably rip her ass or fire over it. So you got to understand that you got a business to run, but then you also have your love for your family. Those are not two things that mix well. You gotta create those boundaries right away, huh? Here's the first tip I'll give you. If you're gonna do it, you're gonna go into business with your brother, your family member. Here's tip number one, don't do it. But if you're gonna do it, this is what you need to do. Be very explicit and write everything out in your agreement. Make sure it's on contract. What I'm responsible for, what you're responsible for, if this doesn't happen, this happened. That piece right there. Put that shit in writing. That piece is so important that you can reference it. You separate too, and this will, you'll force you to also have to learn to let go of parts of the business. Like you just have to agree that, okay, Mikey, you run the finances, the marketing and any sort of onboarding of employees or members, whatever the hell you're doing, right? And then I'm gonna run any content creation, any sort of business relationships or whatever, but you need to make sure that you have your silos that you run and you don't dip into his and he doesn't dip into yours. And spell out an exit plan in your paperwork when you first start your business. Do not wait to write up the paperwork after you guys are making money. You've already fucked, you're screwed. Do it before a single dime is made before anybody invests anything, literally spell out what percentage they own, what percentage you own, what percentage of the profit we get, how much we're gonna spend, who's in control, what, and if one of us wants to boot the other one, what is the process? And if one of us wants to leave, what is the process? Spell that shit out and then make sure you talk to each other and say, look, this is business. It's not gonna get in between our, as family. It's gonna be in writing and whatever happens, we're gonna follow this and let feelings get in, because otherwise you're fucked. If you do a good job doing that, what Sal's saying right now, I think if you really think it all out, like, okay, let's look at worst case scenario. We do this business for a while, it doesn't take off, and then, but one guy wants to fight and keep it along, the other guy doesn't want to. What does that scenario look like? How do we handle that? And if you write it on paper and you and, or you agree to it together, I think it's gonna- It eliminates so much. It eliminates that, it's like, oh, here we are, you know, this situation did end up happening. Of course you don't want that to happen, but it's inevitable something's gonna happen, including, what do we do if this thing ends up being huge, and we're making tons of money and we eventually have to hire more employees who's gonna be responsible for what, who makes so much, you gotta definitely communicate with. It's almost exactly the same advice I get to somebody that's trying to get married. I mean, that's the answer. Don't refer to it. Number one, don't do it. Yeah, don't do it. Number two, if you're gonna do it, you want X, Y, D, everything else talked about, considered, and written down in a legal contract. Yeah, because I think people go into it and they're like, oh, but we're family, like, we'll figure it out, we're friends. Oh, you get along so well. Yeah, no, that's a huge, because then what ends up happening almost every time is the business starts to, you guys are grinding, and one of them is like, fuck, you know, I'm doing all the work, or the other one says, I put in all the money. Somebody resents somebody. Yeah, and this is my idea. My sister and I are the best of friends and have an incredible relationship, and part of the reason why I think we have an incredible relationship is because of having the foresight to make decisions like that, to make sure, because, you know, absolutely, I mean, Sal makes fun of me all the time for being moody. I absolutely am affected by this business and what we're currently doing in it. It's just getting adjective free. If things are not going well, I'm sometimes a pain in the ass to be around, and you better believe if my sister was dropping the ball on something or around me, and I had to communicate to you on a daily basis, you know, I might not be the most awesome person to be around, so I would not even wanna put myself in that situation, so I think you gotta understand how if you really love your sibling, you wanna make sure that you think it all the way through on all the worst case scenarios that could happen in this situation, and communicate them and communicate them early, so you each agree and know, and I think that it's possible. I don't think it's not possible. I think there's plenty of exceptions to the rule of people that have built businesses or companies with a family or a loved one. You look at your family dynamic. This is important now. Let's say you and your brother, you guys grew up together, right? Who tends to be the big brother or the leader and who tends to be the follower? Talk about that. Talk about it, spell it out, because that can be very difficult to deal with when you're in business with your big brother who is used to being the dude in charge, but you're the one who has the ideas, you're the one driving the business. The brains behind the operation. He might not deal with that very well, so sit down and spell it out. Like look, John or Mikey or whatever, look, I know you're my big brother or whatever, but I think I'm better in this particular way. And I tell you what, if this preliminary talk that we're talking about goes bad, there's your sign. Like, if you can have a business talk with your brother and you can sit down and spell shit out and say, look, I'm better at this, so I'm gonna do that. And you guys are cool with it and you sign everything and it's all, that's a good sign. But if you sit there and you start arguing over that kind of bullshit right out the gates, then you already know this ain't gonna be cool because I guarantee you're gonna encounter some challenges with your business where you're gonna wanna strangle each other and it being close to each other like brothers are, that just adds a whole another element of difficulty, so. Next up is Jess G. Veggie. Can someone achieve a high level of health even if they can't afford to purchase organic? Is it better to consume pesticide-laden produce or just eat like all the other Americans? There's two questions here. The first one, it used to be if you wanted to eat organic, you had to spend a lot more money. And what I used to tell people was this, was look, it's definitely an investment in your health. It will save you money long-term to be healthy, cost you less in both, in productivity, it'll cost you less in healthcare costs. It's gonna make you feel better, it's give you a better quality of life if you eliminate some of the other things you spend money on like your daily Starbucks or whatever you can save them on. But today. You know, companies like Thrive Market. That's right. That are coming in and they're solving this problem. Like that's what, I mean, that was part of the, why we were so excited to partner with these guys is they're gonna be around for a while and they're gonna make a huge dent in this exact, that's the biggest problem in the past was, oh my God, I can't eat organic cause I'm broke. But now that they're getting rid of that to where I can buy almost anything through Thrive Market at the grocery store that's comparable or even less than like your standard Safeway, SaveMart type foods. But it's all organic and sort, I mean, you can't, you can't, now it's just, now it's really just an excuse that we're using, right? Cause we're, oh, I'm too lazy to go through the process to, or go down to a farmer's market, right? Cause there's your other option if you don't want to go. Yeah, it's all there if you're interested in it now. Like if you're pursuing quality and I think it's just, you have to, you have to prioritize these things as far as like importance. Like, do I want to fill my body up with things that are actually nourishing me or am I just, you know, mindlessly kind of like getting calories in, calories out and I'm monitoring it that way, you know? Like you have to start thinking like long-term about like the health ramifications of what am I putting into my body. I tell you, this is how it works with Thrive Market. You pay a membership fee, I think it's a one-time fee and then you get access to all these organic non-GMO products for really, really low prices. Like what you would normally pay for a conventional product. So if you compare it to its non-organic version, like if you get organic Cheerios versus non-organic, normally the organic version is more expensive at Thrive Market, it's not gonna be. But one thing that they did that I really liked, well, first off, if you use our code, which I'm sure we told you at the beginning of this episode, you'll get discounts on a lot of stuff. But what I really like about this is sometimes even that membership fee is difficult, you know, for families, right? If you're disenfranchised or single parent, you know, I can't pay, you know, membership fee or go on the line and order these things. Well, what they do is for every membership that they sell, they give a free one to a family in need. So what I like about all this is the obvious, but what I like more about it is what it's showing is that the market is moving in this direction. So this kind of a question won't be a question in the near future. You're not gonna hear. It used to be on the side- Well, I don't even think it's a question now, I think. And here's the thing, and this is hard for a lot of people to swallow. Like, and it's okay to accept that I'm just not ready. I'm just not ready to make those sacrifices for yourself. Like, and in other words, more than likely, because at least in my experience, I've yet to meet a client who's given me this as an excuse that I can't find somewhere where they're wasting the same amount of money that in other things, whether it be entertainment, whether it be sodas, coffees every single day, candy habits, whatever the fuck it is, there's something else in their life that's not serving them the same way that eating healthier would serve them, that they're making a choice. And that's fucking okay, it's your life, do what you want with it. But when I get people to ask me questions like that, I always put it back on them and say, listen, there's now we have resources like Thrive Market, like Farmers Market, there are things, and it's, we were just talking offline the other day about how much we've seen Farmers Markets pop up. It's crazy. I remember that used to be something that you never saw or once a month or once, I mean, there's one going every day now here in the city. I mean, you can find one somewhere. So there's, and now they even have these places too, where it's a straight farm to, where they give you the, have you seen, you guys ever done them? Those boxes. Yeah, the boxes, and it's all whatever's. CSAs, and my wife and I do that. Yeah, right, so I mean, there's sources out there. It's just, and I think Thrive Market's making it very easy for everybody. You just have to prioritize it because I see a lot of people with cell phones and cell phone bills and people with cable and all these other extra expenditures. You just have to prioritize it. But now that it's not that much more expensive or not more expensive at all, it's true. There is no excuse. Now the second question was, was a ridiculous question. Is it better to consume pesticide, laden produce, or eat a standard American diet? I don't like questions like that because it's. Either or. Yeah, it's either or, and it's like, it's like, first off. How about neither? Yeah, why do we need to choose either one? First of all, a standard American diet is horrible. It's horrible on a macro level. It's horrible on a calorie level. It's horrible on a nutrient level. It's horrible on a pesticide and herbicide level. So it's just, I mean, pretty much anything you compare to that is gonna be better. But when people talk about things with pesticides and herbicides, up until relatively recently, we really haven't had a whole lot of research showing that these things are contributing to some of our chronic health problems. But now we're starting to see some evidence that a lot of the chronic health problems, and I'm not talking about you eating a vegetable and getting sick right away, or even a week later, nothing like that. What I'm talking about is, you're 40 years old and boom, you have an autoimmune disorder. Or you get cancer in your 70s. Or you get heart disease or diabetes when maybe you're not even overweight, but you start to get those things like, these are chronic issues that are becoming so much more prevalent today, and many experts are connecting it not to the fact that we overeat, but more so even to the quality of our food and the things like antibiotic use, pesticide use, herbicide use, and the other chemicals and stuff that we put in our food that have these long-term effects which are terrible, they're terrible, and they're generational. For example, when we consume products that contain glyphosates or have been used with pesticides, the first generation to consume them will have some effects to their microbiome diversity, but that microbiome is what gets passed on to our offspring, and we're seeing a reduction in diversity with each successive generation to the point now where, I mean, when we were kids, people were eating shitty just like they are now, but we didn't see food allergies like we do now. Why are food allergies all of a sudden start and explode? Well, it starts to happen on a generational basis. This is a big fucking problem, so I think it's smart for you to choose organic foods that have a lower, I have no synthetic pesticides or lower loads of things like glyphosates, but I think it's also very smart for your kids, for their health and then for the future because by giving your money to these organizations that produce these products, you're showing the market that there's more of a demand and more companies like Thrive Market will come out and will produce these products at lower prices. So, support what you wanna see more of. And I think that's something that everybody can benefit from. Next question is from Christopher Boycemba. What are your thoughts on the growing popularity of Neutropic Foods? Here we go. Yeah, here we go is right. Neutropic market is the... It's exploding right now. It's the new supplement market, right? It's the new pre-workout, brain food. It's what pre-workout was five years ago. It's become that and it's annoying me as much as that is too. And we have coffee, Chimera, that has Neutropics already in it, right? So it doesn't mean that I'm like, oh, there isn't benefits to it or oh, I don't see this, that I think it's all bad or it's whatever. It's the hype behind it. It's like, what you don't hear us saying is about Chimera coffee is gonna change your life. It's gonna be, once you get these Neutropics in you, your workouts are gonna be way better than they've ever been. It's like cereal laced with creatine. They make that, I bet. Cool. Can this stuff help? Is it give you a little bit of an edge? Like sure, I guess if all other things considered, right? Like if your sleep was good. Yeah, I was gonna say here's a Neutropic for you, get good sleep. Right, you know what I'm saying? Like if you slept really well, if you've got your workouts in, if you're eating a balanced diet, you're doing all these things that you should be doing first, hydrated, yada, yada. And then on top of that, you add this Neutropic to give you this extra sharp focus, whatever it is. Here's what I don't, so here's the Neutropic market's interesting because there are what are considered natural Neutropics, which are just compounds that you find in nature, like Alpha GPC, theanine is an amino acid that you can combine with caffeine that can give you kind of a better buzz, if you will. There's a few others that are natural out there, but then there's this whole market that's exploding with synthetic Neutropics. There's the class of... I'm not a fan of it. There's the racetem class of chemicals, like paracetam, anoracetam, oxiracetam, phenylracetam, there's so many racetems now, I can't even keep up with them. Then there's New Pept, then there's like prescription drugs that some people will promote, like Modofinil and some others, and then some people will say things like... It's like nicotine. Yeah, nicotine can have some Neutropics. Here's how I feel about synthetic Neutropics. It's the same way I feel about synthetic anything. Sometimes they're fun. Sometimes they can give you a boost. Definitely don't use them all the time. Sometimes they give you a headache. Yeah, I do not subscribe to the trend right now where they're saying take these synthetic Neutropics all the time because they're good for your brain. Definitely don't. I don't subscribe to that. I'm sorry, I don't believe that. I don't believe taking anything synthetic is good for your brain unless it's treating a particular problem that you have or something. I don't think it's a good idea. And my experience with synthetic Neutropics is they're a lot of fun. I respond really well to them. I definitely can find myself feeling a little speedy, a little sharper it feels like. My verbal fluency seems to improve and increase. The problem that I notice is I build a tolerance to it. Really quick I build a tolerance and I notice a withdrawal when I start to go off of them. That tells me right away that my body is trying to adapt to this synthetic product, that's not a good thing because that means I'm down-regulating something and I'm reducing the production of something that's natural in my brain in order to, as I continue to take these products, not something I recommend long term. I really don't think it's a good thing. And you've got all these, we've had, I'll tell you what, we've had more over the last six months, we've had more Neutropic companies come after us than regular something comes after us. Our name is kind of perfect for if you think about it. Do you mind? Well, it's such a tough thing for us too because every one of us experiment and have used it, right? And I think that- They can be fun. Yeah. And I think that's the hard thing. Oh, they have their place. I like it actually. I feel like, I can promise our listeners this, if there's anything that ever hits the market that is like game changing, you better fucking believe we'll be talking about it. And we'll be talking about it like that, like holy shit, this has totally changed health and fitness. We've had nothing like this since the invention of creatine. Well, it's just interesting, everything is going now to the brain, right? Like it's got a lot of focus there, even with training. And so that's why, I mean, I'm actually experimenting with Halo Sport headphones because with neuropriming, I'm interested in it. Like I just wanna know like what that feels like, what kind of sensation that's gonna bring. Like is that really gonna have any kind of effect on any of my movement quality or like my adaptability as far as like complex movements, that kind of stuff. I don't know, you know, some things are like, you know, obviously that's the 1% kind of people that will notice benefit, I'm sure, because you know, going from already having all those things set in place and ready to go and like operating efficiently, now it can kind of experiment and see like, is this something else? I always feel like two people, it's like, if you have the finances, right? If you have the finances, you have the discipline to be like a Ben Greenfield where you really like are taking care of like all the major things and then you like to experiment with these things. Like I, you know, and you have money and it's like, who cares if I spend, because I tell you what, the thing that I think is really fascinating about this, the Neutropic, you know, market right now is as expensive as fuck for something that doesn't even come close to working like a lot of other things do. So it's the promises that are attached to, that's gross. Yes, yeah, so that's, you know, but if you got the money, right? Like if you've got the money to spend on something like that, then why not? And as long as you use it responsibly and you take some of the advice that Sal's saying right now that be careful that you take a synthetic version of that, because I think there's a difference between synthetic ones and then ones that we find in nature that are natural ones. Even some of the natural ones like choline, you know, high doses of choline over long periods of time may not necessarily be good for you if you're a man for prostate. In fact, they might have connected it to some enlargement issues there. So you gotta look at everything and pay attention to, like with natural stuff, am I gonna take too much of it? Typically natural is typically better for the body, has less chance of these kind of problems that may arise, but that doesn't mean they're devoid of them. But synthetic in particular, you know, I'll tell you what, with synthetic new tropics, it's definitely a sympathetic response. Like when I take a synthetic new tropic, I get more hyper. Now, if you're somebody who is like, oh, I need to take a new tropic because I'm fatigued all the time, I don't have the energy to work, I need more focus, and the problem may be HPA axis is function. It may be that your body's not responding to cortis all the way it should. You're gonna supplement something that's gonna activate more of a sympathetic response. Yeah, not a good idea. You're kicking the can down the road. It's like- You're gonna create a situation where you'll get to a point where now you're taking new tropics, you're drinking caffeine, you're doing all these different things, just to be normal, and then you start to feel shitty on them. What do you do up the dose? Now side effects come into play and all these other things. So I don't, and the other thing was synthetic with some of these new tropics is, I just, I'm not gonna say which one because I'm not gonna put them on blast because the people are nice and whatever, but if they push it too far, I will put them on blast. I got a sample at one of the last- Yeah, one of the last things that we exposed it went to of this product that was a new tropic and it was full of these synthetic new tropics. Some of these were from the race attempt category of new tropics. And I'm looking at these, I'm like, I've never heard of these. And I'm pretty up and up in that world in terms of knowing the names and where they came from. And I'm like, what are these? So I went online and I started doing my research. One of them was produced by like, I think it was a Japanese pharmaceutical company. They abandoned it. So they made it and they never got it to market because it didn't pass certain trials that they didn't see. And it was like, there was like three ingredients in there that were like that. And I'm like, so here's these pharmaceutical companies that invented this, decided not to go through, decided not to go through with producing them because either it wasn't efficacious or it had too many side effects or it was too expensive or something, right? They just decided we're not gonna bring it to market. This new tropic company, this supplement company is scouring these journals for obscure chemicals that they can create. Isn't that like the pro hormone? That's how pro hormones. Yeah, that's how they got to. That's how they got real big in that whole gray market is they were scouring the market for these abandoned chemicals. Well, people don't. That they could produce and it's all gray market because legally you can't, you're not legally able to sell them to humans. You have to literally say not for human consumption. Experimental. Although they are now, you are now seeing them say, oh, it's for people, take them twice a day because nobody's saying shit to them, but the time is gonna come, I guarantee you that someone's gonna come, the FDA's gonna come crash it down on them pretty soon because they're pushing the limit. That was a perfect example what Justin just said. It's exactly like the pro hormone phase when I remember that like yesterday, when we could go down to your local max muscle or whatever or vitamin place and go get behind the counter a supplement that- One testosterone. Right, and it was one molecule different from the real testosterone, right? And so- They were actual, they weren't pro hormones because pro hormones are compounds that your body turns into hormones. So it's a pro hormone. These were actual designer steroids. I know, I bought them, I took them. It was literally a steroid and the funny thing is- With all the side effects. Worse. So I took one, I'll never forget, I took Superdrawl. Superdrawl was one of the big ones. Methylmasterdrawl, Superdrawl, halodrawl, one testosterone. I remember taking these and it was like, oh fuck, what is going on here? Within a week it was like, I built all this muscle, I was holding all this water, lots of strength. So I'm kind of like, and I'm very analytical so I'm trying to figure out what's going on and I thought it was a pro hormone because that's how they market them and I'm learning that these are actual designer steroids but the reason why they were never even produced by pharmaceutical companies is they were harsher on the liver. They were harsher in terms of side effects than like Diana Ball and Anadrol which are some of the steroids that are not good for you. My first bout of Gyneomastia came from over the counter. I had taken steroids before that, didn't have any side effects yet in my life. I took two rounds, back to back bottles of the test, or not test, what was the other one that was popular? Fuck, what am I? I don't know, there's one testosterone, there's methyl-master-dryer, super-dryer. No, no, no, later, later, it's like, it's- Episthene. No, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, god damn it, it's gonna piss me off. I can't think of the name. Trinobol. Trinobol. Yeah, there was one that was actually- Trinobol, so it was the Trin, and I think it was like Trin-X was the brand or some shit. It's like Trimbalone, but it's not. Yes, right, and it was just, and I took two rounds of that two bottles, the first bottle was blown away by the results. Oh shit, this is over the counter? Yes, so I ran back, bought another one right away, and then that was the first time I'd ever experienced kind of mastia. So, yeah, and then what they do is sooner or later, enough of those cases come forward, so then some, finally, the FDA comes in, puts a stop to it, and says, hey, this is now in the steroid category, so now that one is banned. Then the next person comes and changes one more molecule from it, you know what I'm saying, like just a little bit different. Cat and mouse game. Yeah, it's a cat and mouse game, and they just keep playing that game because in that short amount of time, they can make enough money. It's not a big deal for it to get wiped off the counter, you know? And so the entire market for it is no more. I think we're seeing the same thing with Neutropics. I think people are starting to push the boundaries to get more and more like the movie Limit Limits. I'm sure they're already on to the next blend or whatever version they can have. Dude, let me tell you something with some of these Neutropics, some of these synthetic Neutropics, we are already getting reports of neuropathy in some people where they're getting tingling in their face or their fingertips or... Didn't you say one of them had like blinding effects to it? Oh no, that was a Sarm. Oh, it was a Sarm. That was a Sarm, which is another, it's the same thing, like it's that whole gray market, we're gonna sell some shit that we don't know what's gonna do and people are gonna take it, but know what the, there's a Neutropic, well it's a Neutropic, right? But it's called a Draftanil, which gets converted to Medafinil in the body. Medafinil is a prescription, so you can't buy it over the counter because you have to get prescribed, you get it prescribed and it's like what they would give like fighter flight pilots to stay awake when they were doing their missions and shit. And then they started giving it to... Super Adderall or something. Yeah, it's a wakefulness agent, right? I know Dave Asprey raves about it, but it's not something you should fucking pay. Dave recommends that? Oh yeah. What the fuck? Oh yeah, yeah, yeah. Really? Medafinil, he talks about it all... That's fucking irresponsible. He talks about it all the time, so. Unbelievable irresponsible. So a Draftanil is a compound that gets converted to Medafinil by the liver. It's gray market, so you can buy it over the counter. Oh, one of the major side effects of it is you can get the facial tics that never go away. So it's just... Holy shit. It's like if you dig... It keeps on giving. You gotta dig deep enough and do some research and go on page two of Google because page one is like fucking owned by all the people trying to sell it. So everything you're gonna read is like why it's so good for your... They will literally tell you that not only is it gonna give you new tropic benefits, which okay, you can make an argument that it might give you some benefits there, but they'll tell you it's good for you. Like, oh, this is something you should always take because it's really good for your brain. I'm like, I don't know about that. That might not be a good idea. Yeah, that's the scary part. Next question is from Johnny Dumbbells. Hey. My boy. Johnny Dumbbells. How long does it take without training to see noticeable muscle loss? Three days after recovery. And that's a total arbitrary number, but it's pretty damn accurate. It's like all the studies. Your body is always, it's constantly adapting. So there really is no... Like if you work out and you're at a high level and you've built muscle and you're reaching kind of your genetic limit and you're training and you're like, oh, I'm just maintaining now. No, what you're doing is you're shrinking and building, shrinking and building to stay at that level. Do you know, and people don't realize is that this is, and this is the shitty truth that the more buff... It is the shitty truth. The more buff you are, the more muscle you've had and the more volume you've had to create in your training in order to get to the size you are, the faster it goes the other direction. Because if you've done, like, cause we all have like this genetic potential, right? And if you're pushing the upper echelon of your genetic potential, your body really is more comfortable back down in the smaller place, right? So it will, and if you don't, if you're not sending that signal and you're not stimulating it and you're not hitting that volume, the minute you lay off of it. So, and that's why I say three days from recovery. So let's say you just train legs really hard on Monday and it's now Thursday and you don't, you're not sore anymore, you're fully recovered. And now, let's say you don't work out legs anymore, atrophy's already set in three days after that. It's already starting to happen. Yeah, and there's definitely a genetic component there, but consider your body looks the way it does because of the signals you're sending it. So once you stop sending those signals, your body has no need to do that anymore. We are a product of our environment. You are. Now there is, there is some, there is, there are ways to achieve more, dare I say, for lack of a better term, permanent muscle. And there really is no way to have permanent muscle, but there are ways of training that will give you muscle that is more resilient to- Sustainable muscle. Yeah, and that has to do with hyperplasia, muscle fiber hyperplasia. So when you lift weights to train to build muscle, you have muscle fiber hypertrophy. This is where the muscle fibers themselves thicken and grow so that they can contract harder. Over time though, with volume, with lots of volume, especially frequency, frequency seems to be doing this the most and long, long-term training. So like I've been doing this for 10 years now with this frequent type of signal, muscle fibers will actually split and you'll have one muscle fiber will become two muscle fibers. Now, those muscle fibers can grow and they can shrink, but once you've made more muscle fibers, the evidence suggests, because we don't know this for sure, but the evidence suggests that those muscle fibers don't go away. I can for sure, for personally and then people that I know. Like so, once I had taken enough antibiotics, I had been training for over 10 years of lifting consistently, I broke through this, well, I could never get to 200. Now, once I got over there and I've pushed my body up to 230, you'll never see me get below 200. So I definitely know that I've seen, I mean, not working out, even if I were to not work out, I can still hold my body weight and muscle mass higher than where I was 15 years ago. Yeah, it's interesting because even Dr. Andy Galpin when he was here and talking about, because he actually does biopsies and sees real tangible evidence sometimes that this does occur. Look at Ben Pacolski. Ben Pacolski. Oh, what a great example. Ben Pacolski is- He's fucking trying to get small. He's trying to. And he's lost a lot of muscle. He's not nearly as big as he was when he was competing, but he's way bigger than most people could ever be. Well, he's 300, he was- Is he losing muscle? He used to be 300 pounds. I think he's now down to like 270 or some 250 or somewhere like that. And the guy's like training once to three times a week. He's like- Restricting calories. He's eating once to two times a day. That's it. Now, you see, you know where you see this a lot? You see this when you meet, I'll never forget that. I was, this is when I had my personal training studio. This old guy walks in who's, he was, I think he was in his 80s or late 70s. He was eating breakfast next door because my gym used to be next to this popular breakfast joint. So he walked by, he looked in, he must have seen the weights and he walks in and he's this shorter dude, kind of stocky, but I could tell he's in his 70s or 80s. So he walks in, I shake his hand and he's got this fucking meat hand, like this thick meat hand and these little forearms that were just muscular. And I'm like, oh man, I'm like, you know, what's your name? And I don't remember what his name was. He's Russian guy. It's like Vasili or whatever. I'm like, oh, you know, he's like, oh, I see you have kettlebell. And he's like, fucking with the kettlebell. And I'm hanging out with the guys. I love talking to like old, old timers who used to work out. And so I'm assumed that this dude lifts weights every day because of the way he looked. I assumed he worked out. So I'm like, hey, I'm like, so how often do you lift weights? He's like, oh, I haven't lift weights for 40 years. I'm like, what do you mean you haven't lift weights for 40 years? He goes, no, I don't lift, I don't do anything anymore. But he used to be a competitive weightlifter and coach for weightlifters. This guy did weightlifting in the Soviet Union for a long time, stopped working out years ago, but he's just got this permanent like muscle on his hands and forearms that you can tell was from gripping the weights. I also see this with like my dad who works construction or he's retired now, it doesn't do anymore, but he's still got like remnants. I was like, you built it, but they're still functioning, you know, with those same muscle fibers. So it's like, you know, it sort of like maintains that level that you're at. It's crazy. No, there's definitely something to be said about that. And I think, you know, giving those examples are for, Ben Pekolski to me is like such a glaring example of that. Like he's trying to lose right now. He's like trying to lose as hard as he can. And it's just, and I can see the way his frame is shaping up that it'll never all go away. You can just, I can look. His legs are so massive. And he barely trains them anymore. And there, I mean, that was his calling card when he was a pro, right? These massive wheels. His legs are fucking, like if you put like my legs with Justin's legs, they are probably the same sizes. It's probably, yeah, it's probably, you know, equal. It's probably equal. So you and me. Yeah, so, you know, your body, I mean, I guess the takeaway from this is your body's constantly adapting to your environment, to what you're doing. When you stop exercising, your body will adapt in that direction. The good news is this, the good news is of all the adaptations that you lose, strength, you tend to lose slower than things like stamina and endurance. Like, if you're an endurance athlete or you train for stamina and you don't train for a week, you'll lose fucking stamina pretty damn quick. I remember when I wouldn't do jiu-jitsu for a week, I'd go back home. You also get it quick too though. You do, and you gain it quick. Strength can take a little time. You can keep strength for a little while. Like if I stop lifting weights and after two weeks and I go back, like I'm gonna have a decent amount of strength, you know, left and, you know, with my workouts. Like overall maintenance of fast twitch movement in general, you know, to maintain that sort of response. Like, if you just lose that response, you know, you will lose it for, you know, it'll be hard to get back. That's why it was always crazy to me when people were like, oh, I don't want to get big muscle. Cause then if I stop working out, it's all going to go away. And I'm like, well, no shit. Of course it's going to go away. What are you talking about? Like you want to work out once and then never. The idea is the key. It's funny that a lot of people think that way though. The idea is to keep working out, right? Yeah, that's the idea. So, so check this out. Go to YouTube, Mind Pump TV. You have to see what Justin just put up on that channel. There's a new video every single day. 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