 Coming up on DTNS one of you complained that you don't like these teases So the rest of you will just have to listen to the whole episode to find out what we say This is the Daily Tech News for Friday October 29th, 2021 in Los Angeles. I'm Tom Merritt Also in Los Angeles, I'm Lamar Wilson. Drawing the top tech stories from Cleveland. I'm Len Peralta And I'm Roger Chang, the show's producer. We were just talking about our thoughts on the Eternals if you want to get that and more get good day internet available at patreon.com slash DTNS And big thanks to our top patrons like Johnny Hernandez, Hi-Tech Oki and David Mosher. We appreciate you Let's start with a few tech things you should know Apple set records for revenue and profit in Q3, but supply chain issues mean it expects to fall short of Investor expectations. Tim Cook warned that Q4 would be impacted even more by supply chain issues Microsoft however forecast a strong Q4 as cloud services don't have to take a container ship to get to you And remain strong and largely unaffected by logistics all of that combined to see Apple stock decline Just enough to let Microsoft's growing stock make it the new most valuable company in the world Congratulations Microsoft shareholders. Yeah The latest version of the chrome browser features fixes for two actively exploited zero-day vulnerabilities Both are listed as high severity, but Google was light on the details since the start of 2021 Google has patches or release patches for 15 chrome zero days Google and the Indian telco geo platforms announced the Geophone next available November 4th That's JIO if you're trying to search for it phone cost 6499 Indian rupees equivalent of about 87 US runs an extremely optimized version of Android called Pregati OS it includes read aloud and translate now features across web apps and messages with support for 10 Indian languages specs include a quad core qualcomm qm 215 sock and dual sim support Canon announced a power shot px a family focused surveillance camera that will automatically snap photos and videos Using built-in subject recognition to frame and select shots It shoots 11 megapixel stills and 1080p video with the mechanical pan and tilt mechanism And bluetooth to transfer it to a phone It retails at 450 pounds in the uk and 500 euros in europe no release data was announced The dream of google clips lives on And Huawei continued to feel the impact of us rules that prevent sales of equipment parts and technology to the company without receiving a license from the us you want to sell to Huawei you got to get a license most people are not going to get a What license therefore Huawei doesn't get the parts and therefore Huawei reported its sales fell 32% in the first nine months of the year Largely because of those sanctions Its revenue was about a third less in the period than it was in 2020 Honor which separated from Huawei last November is doing fine now because it can get the parts It's now the third largest smartphone maker in china while Huawei has fallen to sixth Thursday the u.s. Senate unanimously passed legislation Prohibiting the FCC from issuing or reviewing new licenses to sell equipment to Huawei or zte The FCC had already voted to do so in june this Enshrines that in law earlier this week the FCC revoked china telecom's license to operate in the us Not good news for a couple of chinese companies. All right Let's talk about the facebook company changing its name to meta A lot of you had reactions to that a lot of journalists had think pieces on that The wall street journal has a notable piece up about facebook's continuing pivoting Over the last few years as mark zuckerberg tries to avoid the perils of the innovators dilemma If you don't know the innovators dilemma, that's the principle put forth by clayton christianson in his 1997 book That successful outstanding companies can do everything right and still lose their market lead or even fail As new unexpected competitors rise and take over the market to oversimplify The idea is that companies have to keep improving their existing products to satisfy their investors and customers And that keeps them from reacting to a new product from a smaller competitor When that smaller competitor matures and starts capturing the market's attention Uh, the usually the example people show is microsoft failing on mobile. Uh, they just they just couldn't devote the resources to it Facebook has been dancing like a dervish to avoid this fate in 2011 or 2012 Mark zuckerberg emphasized mobile to the point of apparently kicking people out of meetings if they brought up desktop features Uh, and that coincidentally is the same year they bought instagram 2016 was when facebook went video first remember that uh facebook. It's all about video Uh, that one didn't seem to work as well in 2017 the company changed focus to fortifying connections between users And in 2019 declared groups was the heart of facebook Which was going to be more like a living room now facebook is your living room It's not the public square. Look at that comfy old sofa This monday zuckerberg declared younger users are the new focus of facebook Tiktok at the expense of older users And then thursday changed the name of the company to meta and said it would be a metaverse first company now uh, so lemar who? What do you think they they got this right they're going to avoid the innovators dilemma I first of all, I thought it was fascinating I read more about this innovators dilemma and and I didn't know it was a thing that like someone had quantified That to be a thing and then we see this we mentioned, uh, Microsoft with mobile we think of aol yahoos companies that just you think, you know, um, what's the one before facebook that the one, um, Friendster or myspace? Yeah, yeah, yeah, just and it's just fascinating. It's like and so you see facebook Almost in a panic right now. Like, you know, like you like I was fascinating how you were talking about these different things I'm like, oh, yeah, they did they've changed their their their focus like what Four or five times it seems like over the over the years and it feels like they're in a panic And they they know tiktok is you know, it came in as a huge disruptor And and and other and other small ones are coming up some Will they Make it It's really hard to say I I think they will keep some parts going but the decline I don't think they can help. I don't think they can stop the decline It's just people are ready to move on to other stuff I think the way the way you avoid the decline is identifying something else you do that's really good That's not associated with your current success and you bet on it Mark Zuckerberg's doing that with metaverse. He thinks they do that really well Uh, speaking of metaverse one meta associated advisor Thinks their approach may be a little wrong-headed john karmack Was cto of oculus for six years he recently shifted to the title of consulting cto, but they still let him speak At facebook connect karmack expressed the opinion that instead of building the metaverse meta should focus on products that tap into it He said i mean it's gonna be a long quote, but i think it's worth hearing I really do care about the metaverse and i buy into the vision I've been pretty actively arguing against every single metaverse effort that we have tried to spin up internally in the company From even pre acquisition times I have pretty good reasons to believe that setting out to build the metaverse is not actually the best way to wind up with a metaverse My worry is that we could spend years and thousands of people possibly And wind up with things that didn't contribute all that much to the way people are using devices and hardware today He added i hope i can harness all this crisis energy with the metaverse that's going on And when he says products, he doesn't mean new headsets regarding all the metaverse oriented headsets in the pipeline at meta Carmack said i really don't like that and i keep pushing back whenever i hear that One wonders what he thinks of the picture of a meta watch found inside the ray band stories views app That's one it shows a smart watch with a camera notch in the face, but It sounds like car max like a metaverse, right pretty much every approach i'm hearing from within meta not the right approach Yeah, and again, do we want One company handling this i i think he's on to something with the idea that It's fine that we're going to this place It it just doesn't we don't we don't need one big conglomerate using so much resources. They're going to get Probably, you know underutilized now because they're focused on it whereas Different different companies different places can can you know different users can Help integrate this and make it a better experience that way you just not wasting time I I think facebook is one of those companies that really likes to you know experiment throw away That's one of their things they you know they they throw things to the wall see what sticks in this case Is it worth the resources To do that if only a couple things want to come out of it I think that's a really good point because because meta itself zuckerberg has said Uh, we don't want to build the metaverse We want to help the metaverse get built and be a part of founding it We know we're not the only ones who can do it, but I think what karmak is pointing out is All the ways you're going about it Might be wasted you you might be better off starting an open consortium starting a standard You know move moving with others instead of unilaterally saying look everybody should do this And we're also going to do it internally And I I think that I think karmak has nailed it like the approach Needs to be different if you want to avoid that innovators dilemma and just end up spinning your wheels And and your microsoft trying to invent the tablet and apple comes along and steals all your thunder a few years later exactly We just talked about tiktok so next story is interesting Tiktok tiktok confirmed a limited test of a tipping feature Letting users send money outside of tiktok live streams Now tiktok does not currently take a cut of tips tiktok already supports gifting of virtual goods on live streams In similar news twitter now lets ios users around the world paid a superfollow select creators Something previously only available in us in canada Superfollowers get some tweets not available to other followers Ooh special special people. I don't have this feature I don't have the super follower feature either But I think it's interesting that you're seeing this creator oriented approach to funding Kind of a patreon-ish thing of like just tip us, you know, just just drop a dollar in the jar sort of sort of situation You think that's gonna work I think so there was just an article see where I could pull it up. Yeah It was the article I read on a fast company. I bookmarked it the other day And it was just it was basically move over influencers, you know, the the independent creator Is is the is the person, you know, it's the new thing now where The the audience will fund you versus companies or sponsorships funding. I I think it's promising I think there's some people who have a draw that they can have people you're a great example of this I was gonna make a snarky comment, but yeah Yeah, there's somebody I know that does a really good job with it. It'll never work La bar no one will ever be able to fund a show entirely on patronage from good creators. Yeah Exactly. Uh, will it work for individuals? You know, like me who you know, who are kind of like, okay I'm in this influential world. Can I migrate over? I don't know Personally, I don't like the idea for what I do Having fans Pay for things. I rather the I rather be more top down the companies pay for you get everything free. That's you know For what I do, you know, if I obviously I would it would be a different model, but You know, so I'm not saying I wouldn't use tips, but I'm very I have them and I really turn them on I still feel weird about them I think that's a really really good point is that uh, my audience has been built on on a model that's We're independent and we rely on you if you get value out of the show give value back But if that's not the way you build your audience, you know If I were to suddenly take take money from top down my audience would be like, hey, that's not how you built this That's not okay. Same thing with your audience. If you start asking them for money. They're like, no, no, no You get your money from somewhere else. Don't start asking me for it It's it's so different models work different ways and I don't think either one of them are right or wrong Uh, in which case, I guess that brings me back to the idea that you know tiktok Making this available is a great thing for tiktok because they can they can take a cut of it Eventually if it catches on but it won't necessarily supplant anything it will supplement it Supplements a good word. Yeah, yeah microsoft has acquired a content moderation company called two hat that counts microsoft as a client Two hat uses algorithms to classify and filter messages images usernames videos and more It has helped moderate xbox minecraft and msn But now microsoft owns it so two hat can do it for itself now, but it will continue to work on microsoft moderation And also plug into microsoft plans to expand customer services Two hat will continue to serve non microsoft customers and hopes to acquire more of them This fits into something ceo sachinadella has been saying He wants microsoft to focus on creators and communities In this case, you know two hat brings a moderation thing to that. That's not the only thing he wants But that's why you may have heard the company rumored to be interested in buying tiktok at one point pinterest at another point discord at another point is They know that you know azure is great cloud services are great That's huge for them, but they want to avoid this innovators dilemma too. So they're like, ah the creator community We see tiktok wanting to take tips. We see twitter doing super followers We want to provide services For both the creators and the platforms Which is what we do at microsoft. We provide services like azure cloud services. We could provide community services too Yeah, I think I think that's smart. You remember just a side note when Microsoft it was some years ago. They had a they had a service similar to facebook. They were trying it was like this this Uh, I don't know what it was called. It was Microsoft something It it it was a it was a weird attempt at them trying to make a social network and it didn't it didn't pan out and I I think my point is I think it's smart to We see something like that. You see okay, that's not what we can do apple found out the hard way to with their social network Let's back off And provide services for people to to to be able to to you know to enable them to be better at what they do And I think this moderation thing is uh It's it's going to be important for multitudes of companies So, you know just like microsoft in the beginning had some patents right android had benefited Other people this could be the similar thing, you know Hey, we license this out for you know hundreds of companies thousands of companies to use and they get a little cut for me So they still win either way And they they use azure to serve lots of microsoft stuff But they also make a lot of money off at same thing they'll they'll use two hat to moderate xbox minecraft, etc Uh, but also turn it into a big, you know super charge it as a service yammer. Was it yammer? Was that the microsoft? It wasn't the one I was thinking of I'm gonna have to look at it while you're while you're talking uh Now I'm I'm upset. I can't figure Hey folks, if you have a thought about something on the show, maybe you're like, uh, this this is what you're trying to think of Uh, maybe you're like, how do I tell you email us feedback at daily tech news show dot com As part of her review of the new macbook pros wall street journals Joanna stern talked to some apple executives and unearthed a few explanations for burning questions You might have whether you're an apple fan or not For instance, you have a big old notch on the new macbook pro And you don't add face id said Joanna stern. I'm paraphrasing to apple executives Uh apples vp of ipad and mac product marketing told stern that touch id is more convenient because your hands are already on the keyboard If you're close enough To use the camera, you just reach over there and touch that touch id. Is that wash for you lemar? No I read that I was like, no It's nice to open it and yeah, it is a very apple comment. It's like come on. No when you open your laptop Just like windows hello. Come on guys They know no no what you want lemar is your hands are already on the keyboard What if my hands aren't on the keyboard right? But i'm opening it has they have they never opened a laptop before All right, this brings up another question. Why don't apple laptops have touch screens your hands are right there, right? Apple senior vice president of hardware engineering john turnes told stern We make the world's best touch computer on an ipad. It's totally optimized for that And the mac is totally optimized for indirect input. We haven't really felt a reason to change that I I still would like the option. I I get what they're saying and I get what they're saying too They don't want to cannibalize that the same that that's that's all that's really what it is, right? Yeah, because they gave us a keyboard for the ipad They did they did they gave us the option of one direction, but not the other direction Yeah, I this this argument makes sense on the operating system, right this to me It's like oh, yeah, you need ipad os for a touch-based system It sure so so maybe there's something to it of like yeah, and the mac book is different It is a different the operating system is meant for For a for direct input for for for keyboard So maybe maybe there is something there. I don't know I call myself on my mac book flipping on it like an idiot trying to move like just out of yeah Yeah, you gotta have it. Yeah, all right I mean while the new york times has been going in depth on the 19 dollar apple polishing cloth Which is now technically the apple product with the longest shipping time Right now up to 12 weeks if you want to order the 19 dollar apple polishing cloth But apple's not surprised by that Daisuke Wakabayashi wrote for the new york times an apple official said in an interview based on the condition that the new york times not quote or identify her That the company was not surprised by the demand for the polishing cloth The official said the cloth was very effective and had been designed to be special including a custom light gray color Apple said the cloth was made of a non woven microfiber, but declined to elaborate I'm sorry. I did not mean to laugh during your thing. It's it like that's such an apple It's such an apple comment, man So it's different than these two microfiber cloths that I got with my glasses Exactly. It's more special. It's it's tuned to the only work Perfectly with the apple products. Yes I can't believe that you know what I can't believe I can believe the shipping is that long because There are people who will buy everything from apple. There are people who will buy it as a joke I don't know. There might be people buying it as a joke to do as an unboxing Yeah, who are those people like I mean crazy, right? Yeah And they probably didn't make that many of them is what I'm saying Like there's enough people who will buy them for whatever reason and they just didn't make a lot of them That's my guess. Yeah, I'm guessing that All right, oh man Time to get to the controversy in the show Yes Now, uh, listen audience Are you some kind of monster that likes to have motions moving on sometimes? But we'd like to have it automatically turn off when you watch a movie on amazon prime's video service Well, lg has a tv for you LG's 2020 and 2021 4k and 8k tv's can now turn on Filmmaker mode automatically when you're watching content from amazon's prime video streaming service The feature works by showing you Pop-up that's what uh, let me read that over the features works by showing you Pop-up that switch is happening giving you the chance to make the severely unpopular choice Of leaving on motions moving for your movie use centers Um, apparently from what I've come to understand Uh, you are you are forgiven for using motions moving on sports. That is what it's good for It's okay on sports No one well, no one will will condemn you for that And so that's why this would exist is so that if you have it on for your sports And you switch to amazon prime It automatically turns off and it saves you having to go into settings and turn it off How many people actually turn it on and off? Most people just leave it off even for sports, right? Yeah, I a little secret so back in I don't want the 2009 2010 I in Chicago, I would go visit fries electronics. Like I'll make it a trip. It's like an hour away Just to visit this samsung 55 inch tv because I was enamored at how this motion smoothing Well, I'd never seen it before that like like like they were playing like a hellboy or something like that And it was just oh my god. It's like so like I was actually into the soap opera thing I know it's I don't have it on now, but I was enamored by it back then. I don't know why judge me, please I I'm glad I'm this is a safe space I don't mind the motion smoothing my my father-in-law had it on one day was watching star trek the next generation I was like, I don't know. It kind of looks cool. Like it's different Uh, it's different. That's what it is. I have turned it off on my television. I'm just you know Let's let's be clear, you know, we've all we've all bound to public pressure I don't think it looks better for most things But it doesn't bug me as much as it appears to be like Yeah, like you said like it's a sin many people Shocking revelations. Tom and Lamar do not totally mind motion smoothing We're canceled. All right. Yes Um, how about some extra information you're gonna distract them? Yeah, let me distract you here Boston Dynamics has released a video featuring a quadrupedal robot. Is it right? Uh named spots performing a Mick Jagger inspired dance to the Rolling Stones song spot me up You have to see this the video is a tribute to the 40th anniversary of the stones tattoo you album This video follows a line of similar viral videos Produced by the robotics company including one where a pack of spots Dance to the BTS song. How do you pronounce this? Is it ionic ionic? I'm on it. I don't Listen to BTS. Sorry cancel. I'm canceled Um, the video the video is hilarious army will not cancel you. They'll just say you'll come around eventually. Don't work Thank you Uh, the song is start me up, but they call it spot me up in this video because The spot robot is dancing along. I have to say now now keep in mind This is the video of start me up. So it's the young Mick Jagger Actually, he's not even that young but younger than he is now Mick Jagger Uh doing doing the dancing and the spot robots are mimicking his moves and his moves are you know, they're Mick Jagger moves They're interesting the spot robot moves like Jagger. That's what I'm trying to say It was delightfully disturbing Yeah, that's the best way I can say that video. I watched it and I was like What what did I just see here? What but it was great sort of Yeah, uh boston dynamics always getting us talking. All right. Let's check out the mail bag. What do we got in there? Lamar? Yes, we got an email from kevin who says thank you In a recent conversation with my wife I found myself explaining that a chip shortage that is currently plaguing auto manufacturers About halfway through the conversation. I realized that I was just quoting or paraphrasing what I've heard in your show and others This isn't the only conversation I've had about this topic and I gave you credit at the end of each of these events You make me smarter and allow me to speak intelligently about many tech related things regards Oh, thank you. Kevin. Yeah, uh, that that really is exactly what the show is about right there Is like giving you the background so that you just feel like you know stuff That you wouldn't have known otherwise. We we read the news so you don't have to uh, thank you, kevin Feedback at daily tech news show dot com. Also. Thanks to brand new bosses. We have three new bosses today Get ready folks to welcome andy gary monica r and robert murray into The dts boss tech all those out all of you out of the public feed You can follow them. You can follow them right into the show. Thank you andy monica and robert patreon.com slash dts also Thank you len peralta for illustrating the tech news this week. What have you drawn for us len? well, you know the Top, you know, I say at the top of every show that i'm on that i'm drawing the top tech stories Uh, this of course was the I feel the the biggest tech story of the week You might have uh, you might feel a little bit differently facebook turning into meta So I wanted to do something that was both halloween related and also capitalize on the fact that I feel that you know Zuck is really like michael meyers really honestly Not because he kind of looks like him, but also because he you know He he didn't kill facebook. You explained that to me earlier But he he killed the name facebook. So in this image We have the tombstone of facebook the 10 28 21 which and then the body of facebook and and a michael meyers type Character holding on the head of facebook. So very creepy for halloween May not exist. Yeah, he's got the meta logo on his shirt Right where the ones are It does because it doesn't kind of look like lungs doesn't it a little bit creepy I I don't know. I find zuck a little bit creepy I don't know if if anybody else is in the camp, but uh, but I thought this was perfect for halloween A little bit of ribbing there for our good friend mark zuckerberg Anyway, this is um, this image is available Obviously at my patreon if you're a patreon backer patreon.com forward slash len also on my online store And letting for all the store.com and also you may want to check open see because this might be an nft as well So check it out there. It's very clever. You could you could use that on the metaverse someday I like what I see what you did there. Very good Lamar wilson, thank you my friend. Uh, always a pleasure co-hosting with you You got anything to let people know about before we get out of here Yeah, first of all, sir, it sort of your uh, the people watching our video I don't know what's going on with the camera. So my apology. We will be better We will be better next time. But yeah, I do videos, um, unboxing you mentioned the $19 cloth coming soon Um, if you're watching a video, I have This box from you'll never guess what this is from apple. Never it's impossible to guess What this long box is but I'll be unboxing this probably next week That they sent out. So, uh, yeah, be sure to check that out at lamar wilson at any social network Uh, facebook actually come in november 1st So and any one anyone if you're on you can watch me doesn't matter. I appreciate it. Thanks. Excellent Folks, we are live for at 4 30 p.m. Eastern monday through friday. 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