 Yeah Right, how do we get judges to do all the work that you did? Call me right right to it because it's so clear You went above and beyond none of that was required right that you go and visit these institutions and build these Relationships with the doctor at the hospital and etc. And get to know the prison warden and understand their programming That's not required, but it it should be it sounds like so how how do we think about that? Should it be required? Here I think so because it was such of such benefit to me, but you know here is the thing you all I don't know a judge that doesn't want to do a good job hmm and So and you and let me just pause and say you've dealt with some judges who have been jerks who've been Sexist and racists to me. Yeah, we we can have a whole judges lawyers set of conversations about how Laurel has been treated within the the courtroom process by her colleagues and by other people in the courtroom and yet you still believe that it's possible to Align good performance with these kinds of required social context Lessons and understandings you think it would work because I I want judges to be out of their bubble You know to be on that bench, you know potentially depriving people of their liberty Taking taking a family member out of the home Sometimes taking an income out of the home You know, it's a it's a huge responsibility And so the more information we give judges the better because again I think either whether you're in the lock them up and throw the way the key camp or You're never send anyone to prison camp everybody wants to do a good job So do give them the information to do that and then I think for policy makers and People in academia Study federal courts, but especially when you're talking about crime most of that is in state courts Which I understand though makes it harder to study, you know But you know if you are to come into contact with a court It is way more likely to be a state court And it's most likely to either be criminal was particularly because traffic falls under criminal Or as a victim, maybe you didn't even commit a crime You might be a victim or the other court that you are unfortunately most likely to come in contact with is domestic Interesting that sounds like a policy prescription to me in terms of thinking about how to How judges are trained and what's required. Mm-hmm. It's really interesting really interesting. Yes