 Your business, Jetco Solutions. Can you tell us a little bit about your business and what it does? Absolutely. Jetco Solutions was founded just over 13 years ago, and in a nutshell, we help other businesses sell to government. And so if somebody's looking to sell a product or service and they don't have the capability or the capacity, then we become an extension of their sales marketing efforts and basically find opportunities, write proposals, submit proposals, and do business development on their behalf. Okay. Now, in the early years, what did you do prior to founding Jetco Solutions? So I guess in the early years, when I was still on the service, I was a paratrooper. So I jumped out of airplanes for a living. And now that doesn't necessarily directly, I guess, tie into business other than having the courage to jump out of a perfectly good airplane and having the perseverance to pick yourself up after a relatively hard landing and go complete the mission. Once they decided to get out of the service, I went to work for a big company here in Kalamazoo, Michigan, a company called Striker that was in medical devices. And I was there for four or five years, and then I went to a small business called Marshall Plastic Film, and they were a plastic film extruder, family owned that supported basically the automotive industry. And so I guess I got my taste of being in a big business and a small business and both have their unique challenges and rewards. And then in 2007, the automotive industry here in Michigan got real soft. And so I was one of the first folks that were let go with when Marshall Plastic Film downsized because of the automotive industry. And so I found myself, I guess, unemployed and over employed, I guess, but nobody was hiring here in Michigan. And so I was born and raised in Michigan. When I got out of the service, I came back. And so I basically would look for a job for about six months and then about the March timeframe, I went to work for on a contract basis for a business that helped develop training instruction and that was short lived. And basically in around June, I said, I'm going to go by myself. And I had created Jetco. And back then it was Jetco packaging. And I was going to sell things to the government. And I was going to give my birthdays in March. And so I basically had from June to the next March was, you know, so I had nine months to get this thing up and moving. And so I went full time. And I was fortunate that I had married a great lady and business partner who subscribed to Dave Ramsey. And so we had a little, you know, we had a six month or so nest egg where we could we could, you know, try and make this work. Because crazy enough, she had was unemployed as well. And so, you know, from about November to March, we were and we were newlywed. So in June, we got married, her father passed away in August. We were both unemployed in November. And she was working on some contract positions. And so, you know, that first year of being together was, you know, was I guess, a series of very high ups and downs. So June rolls around. And I say, I'm going to do this full time. And, you know, folks and family are pretty skeptic, skeptical of, you know, of this new business venture. And I had, when I briefed my business plan, to the, to then it was the SBTTC, David Sayers, and then, you know, I hate to admit that Dave Hamnir made me cry. And, but he had, you know, some great points. And, and it wasn't kind of a, you know, an epiphany overnight, it was, you know, so, you know, two or three months went by in August, September. And, you know, I'm thinking to myself, well, maybe I didn't, didn't make the right choice. And about October or so, we landed our first client. And then a couple of months later, number two, and then probably at the end of the year in December timeframe, you know, so we had three, three clients at the time. And so going into 2008, our goal was to be able to pay the bills. So that was year one was, hey, at least we can, you know, I'm not taking the salary, but, you know, we can pay our bills and, and my son played hockey at the time. And so, you know, not have a ton of disruptions. Our goal for year two was for me to take a salary. And then year three was for myself to take a salary and for pursuit to, to take a salary. So we grew organically. And so, you know, we were, we were being able to, to survive along the way. And, you know, I recently went back and I looked at some of the work we did back then and some of the agreements that we had. I'm like, wow, I wish I, I wish I knew then what I do now. And, you know, some of it is, you know, it was embarrassing. But then I think, you know, we were, we were scrappy and, and we were hungry and, and I said, you know, I don't, I don't want to lose that scrappiness and that, that ability to go out and take chances and, and be entrepreneurial. It's, and so if I could put that, you know, kind of that magic in a bottle, that would be great. So if you've, you know, you've looked forward, you know, now there's, you know, in Team Jetco, there's, there's 22, 23 people. So, you know, the, the scrappiness I think is still there. But, you know, I'm not sure we would assume the same level of risk nowadays that we would, that we probably would have back then. But, you know, back then it was just my wife, Sue and I, and, and, you know, we started in our house with partner deaths and, and she was a fantastic writer still is. And so she would write the proposals and that would do the business development and, and then that's how we started. So we didn't take a loan. Nobody would give us any money back then. I think we started with, with $5,000 with Fifth Third and then our neighbor worked at P&C and, and, you know, he said, well, I can get you to 20 and, and, but we realized, you know, we don't really need, we don't really need that because we'll, we'll cashflow this and if we can't afford it, then we won't, we won't buy it. Right. Right. And I think that's, I was talking to somebody the other day and, and, and I told him the story about, you know, early on in our, our Jetco career, M Live did an article on us and his name was Rod, Rod Cackley. And so he comes back, you know, he showcases six companies, comes back four years later and follows up and, and there's one company remaining. And that was us. We were still in business. The other ones had, either been sold or had closed their doors. And, and so, you know, one of the tenants that we had lived by was if we, you know, if we can't afford it, then we don't need it. And I was telling, I believe it was our, our, our marketing director. And I said, you know, that's kind of how we, how we live by. And, and I think many times nowadays, entrepreneurs, veterans, you know, they love, I, you know, I got a business. So I'm, you know, I need to have a car and a computer and a phone. And then they, then they try to figure out what they're, what they're going to do. And so I kind of look at it in the opposite way of, you know, help your clients be successful. And, you know, they'll refer you and, and, you know, for, for years, I drove an old Ford Explorer. And, and finally we, I told my wife, I said, you know, I'm kind of embarrassed because it was loud. And, and, and, and I, to open the door from the inside, I had to roll down the window and open it from the outside. And I said, we, I said, I'm, you know, I think, you know, our clients want us to be successful. But right now, I think we just kind of look, we look poor. And I said, we should at least replace the Explorer because it's kind of an eyesore. So we got to, we got a Ford Fusion. And, and we put 254,000 miles on, on that car over the years. So