 Hi everybody so we're going to be debating whether dragons existed or not and for their 10-minute opening here we have Howard and Floor is all yours Howard. Thank you Ryan. I've prepared a 12-minute video I'll just put it on now and I'll be talking over it. So there's no copyright strikes to worry about. Okay thank you for having me on Ryan and thank you to James if you're watching and thank you to Tom for joining us on this debate. Okay is that full screen? That looks good on my side. Awesome let's hit play. Okay so today I'm going to share some evidence that supports the existence of dragons and that there might be a demonic conspiracy to hide them so we're talking about the current existence not just in the past. See we're programmed with the idea that they lived long ago and we're desensitized to think that they had pee brains yet all discoveries of dinosaurs have either been confirmed fraudulent or their completeness is very low which makes it easy to support any narrative because they just make reconstructions or even fabrications from partial discoveries. When there is a whole discovery and the head is intact it's quite difficult for them to say it's anything else and maybe even bigger discoveries but we're just unable to see them. Is it or have I just paused for a second? It seems to be going a lot faster than it should. Okay I'll have to talk fast if it just seems to be going faster than it should but yeah let's hit play again. So the bible says that the devil is the dragon in our sea and that the snakes much bigger in size than we're used to seeing even in reality nowadays so it shouldn't be so difficult to be open to the idea that creatures were larger than we observe in present times. We see lots of evidence that there used to be giant sized beings and even fallen angels that want us to ignore intelligent design showing us an old world order without free will and there's also mentioned in the bible the Quran and then many other ancient texts and myths from all around the world with physical evidence to support these stories and verses. We even see skeletons have been discovered that support the ancient texts and we can also see there's been many published articles throughout history but we can also see there's evidence of a conspiracy as the smithonian have been forced in court to admit that they've destroyed many discoveries. Hiding dragons and truth about the creation would cause us to neglect worship of the creator. Distorted worldview causes us to be easily misguided. This one stopped okay so we see biblical accounts where we're taught they don't make sense on the model that we're taught to believe in and we also see models at mountains that appear to be remnants of giant trees. There's evidence everywhere that there's been multiple cataclysms throughout our history that we're being taught to ignore even when the evidence is right in your face. We've seen petrified wood, malted buildings that show advanced civilizations were wiped out and it was most likely a supernatural event because malted buildings burnt sulfur and even meaty colored rock all adds up in favor to what the scriptures have warned us about. We see mainstream science acknowledging evidence of a flood especially when we see um microorganisms marine microorganisms on the top of mountain tops even cartoons like the simpsons talk about there being a firmament in a worldwide flood before and we've also got reproducible evidence all over the world that debunks an asteroid event and the big bang timeline for evolution so it all suggests that there's a deception going on because the evidence is everywhere yet we're being taught to ignore it and we're being taught other narratives that aren't demonstrable so by hiding dragons with dinosaur fabrications they'd also cause people not to be open to the idea that there was titans and the old world order shows advanced understanding a de-evolution not that we're getting smarter but that we're getting dumber due to a demonic conspiracy to distort our worldview so that we don't sense our connection our personal relationship to the creator and what we could sense is true as again we've got the scripture evidence and mathematics and what we're taught to believe as asteroid craters doesn't seem to make sense but a fake extinction would cause us to believe in various narratives yet there's many scriptures that explain there's higher dimensional beings that could be something to do with the seven pullers in the rainbow the electromagnetic field what we call the firmament because the light bearer might be what separates the waters from above from the waters below as they say it's a sea dragon so may the spiritual realm manifest in the physical as the bible says thy kingdom come thy will be done in earth as it is in heaven so that would explain all these depictions of unicorns i'd like to shout out tnt teaching nerd teaching needs truth and also marty leads and shaking my head productions for helping me come across all this information because it seems like what the bible says is literally that there's been a being from the heavens above cast down to earth and that we wrestle not against flesh and blood but against higher principalities in higher places which could explain lots of the depictions in the past hollywood and also why the space agencies seem to resonate true to a lot of people because we've seen these things before in other places just like the planets were all worshiped as demigods higher dimensional beings throughout history all over the world they've had different names but they've always been acknowledging the same entities even the koran knows jinn as being a higher dimensional type of fire like plasma but that they choose to appear as dragons serpents and sometimes even dogs which is all very interesting evidence that we shouldn't ignore even mercury is known as the messenger and throughout mexico india and greece we see a lot of serpents entities could it be that they're hybrid or that they're totally different creation but it's definitely strange that we can see such similarities from different parts of the world before there was communication so there's also talk about the serpent seed that there's a dragon bloodline and that could explain why so many countries use dragons in their flags as well as the statues and the depictions the artifacts that are very very well made so people have gone to a lot of trouble to make these with precise details in egypt and mexico tambien all over the world we're seeing serpents even allister crowley drew a picture of a demon that he summoned and it looks like they would like us to act the way they act and eat the way they eat even depictions from pope greggory seem to show some reptilian entities not only as alfa romero use the dragon eating a child but so does many other families and the vatican have got buildings that look like snakes from inside and from outside which is quite strange also they've called the most powerful telescope in the world lucifer which tells me that venus might be the morning star and the evening star that the bible talks about and the means would be the the devil or these demons or these higher higher dimensional beings have got us worshiping them by telling us what to believe in so they would control the narratives by stopping us from traveling and also by telling us how to look after our health and all sorts yet again the bible does warn us that we will be delusional if we put our guard down there's also many depictions of satin manifesting into flesh and eating children which is quite interesting because when we look at the biblical verses that suggest there's a human bloodline a serpent seed it does relate to vampires and again hollywood's there to desensitize us with positive priming so that we uh we're we're not scared but we actually might like them it could explain if there is any truth to this why napoleon didn't die when he was poisoned and it would also explain why the order of the dragon a secret society of which count dracula was the member of lad the impaler would probably explain why charles admitted to be in his genealogy shows that i understand it from vlad the impaler and maybe why they've got the dragon on the chair when he was um when he was made the prince it's very interesting that they put lots of detail to represent the beast of revelation on their emblem and it's also interesting that the all-seeing eye of lucifer is so potent and that the square and compass in masonry seems to have come from a reptilian entity from japan so yeah we see that um high degree mason's worship lucifer which is a higher dimensional being and we also see that the world leaders attend ceremonies in gotham that also worship the one-eyed entity or the entity that's got one eye damaged which explains why harley wood and the music industry push all these symbols and it could also explain why many people seem to channel higher entity beings or higher dimensional beings when they're in an altered state of mind and also we can see people with um certain memories of patterns and entities like gestures clowns black and white um spirals and uh lightning and lots of geometric shapes because again we see a pattern people from all over the world that take psychedelics all have similar stories and this could explain why certain people are able to manifest things that appear to be magic not because they themselves are powerful but maybe because they're channeling higher dimensional beings but the question is what do they get what do they have to do in return you have the spirit there you go so there's many people that uh come to the conclusion that there are spiritual beings in higher dimensions so we can look at the offense how who where when why the means the motive and the opportunity all to go to go along with all of the evidence that i've shown so my question is is it irrational to believe that there was physical dragons and that there also may be still dragons in higher dimensions i really look forward to seeing tom's opening statement hopefully he's got lots of evidence counter evidence prepared thank you all right and thank you howard for your opening uh discussion there and everybody i want to just let you know my name is ryan i'm the moderator for today i just want to let you know the modern day debate is a neutral debate platform we're hosting debates on science religion and politics and we hope you all feel welcome no matter what walk of life you're from don't forget to hit the like and subscribe we do have more debates coming up uh for the q and a we will be doing a up to 30 minute q and a at the end just make sure that your uh super chats are packing the arguments and not the person all right so we're going to kick it over to t jump for uh his opening statement and then we'll kick it into open discussions though t jump the floor is all yours no there are no dragons everything howard said is like oh my god look they look pictures look at the pretty pictures therefore dragons it's not a valid argument dragons dragons are physically impossible dragons physics um they couldn't support the real structure with their physical bodies because they're too big um so dragons aren't actually possible in the first place physically there are no higher dimensions there is no evil conspiracy nasa isn't a lie um the fossils are real his pictures of land masses are just land masses they're not magical fossils of dragons no there are again his higher dimensions stuff is all nonsense and all the dialysis oh look people use pretty pictures therefore dragons are real people make pictures of all kinds of things the fact that people can make pictures doesn't mean that they're real um this is not really a serious topic all right all right if that's everything there uh yeah and it does look like a somebody called me out for uh reading off the pdf how dare you you you caught me uh yeah so uh a little bit more than I was keeping before we kick it into the open discussion discussion uh just to let you guys know that all the debates that we do are uploaded to the podcast within 24 hours of being live so you can go see all your favorite debates on your favorite podcast apps right now and they're all ad-free debates which is pretty wicked see I ad-libbed a little bit there hopefully they like that a bit more so uh we're gonna kick it into open discussion for up to 50 minutes um yep we can kick it off however you guys would like cool I'd like to just address Tom's opening statements it's a lot to to deal with but you know I'm used to it with Tom so you're saying it would be impossible to fly Tom given the laws of physics it would be impossible for dragons as portrayed to fly okay so let's see what we can agree on um is it bees or wasps I think it's bees that are also uh not able to fly no bees are please can fly just fine how do they fly Tom by lifting themselves up with aerial propulsion wrong it's actually down to vibration acoustic levitation you should check that out bees actually that's you're wrong it's they they use wings to push the air down push them up that's how they do it I'm pretty sure it's like bees it's either bees or wasps and then you can see no both of them use wings to push dragon dragon flies if you look into it Tom instead of interrupting me you'll learn that it's actually the wings cause a frequency and the frequency causes acoustic levitation because they wouldn't be able to lift themselves being such fat bodied that was incorrect so that's that's a false paper that that proclaim that that's not actually on the way they just they push air down that's how they fly they push air down so you deny acoustic levitation do you want me to get an experimenter that shows that you can levitate things with acoustics I know you can but they they push air down with their wings that's how bees fly bees and hornets they all push air down to fly you can believe that if you want but I believe that it's acoustic levitation because I've seen experiments that can prove acoustic levitation and I also see how fat bees are and how little their wings are and also did you notice in my opening statement video that there's evidence that there was more oxygen before before what I'm not sure maybe before the flood of some other cataclysm that we can see back when there were dinosaurs there's um who's got more evidence tom me or you because your opening statements going off your opening statement you don't have much evidence I'd say that I've got a longer list of examples than you could give examples in fact you didn't give any evidence did you right because there isn't any well there's a lot of discoveries which are classed as dinosaur bones yeah yeah but that's your only evidence you have one source of evidence I literally gave about 20 different sources of evidence different places at different times all non-profits what what evidence what evidence not what evidence yeah what evidence okay let's talk about it my evidence my oh you're still talking I'm sorry I won't interrupt you tom pick a single piece of evidence have you finished tom yeah pick a single piece of all right all right well now pay me the same respect and don't interrupt me while I'm talking please would you just pick a single piece of evidence please I'd prefer to just say what I was gonna say I've given a list of evidence I don't know pick one oh you're interrupting me I can't tell you what tom you just say something and I'll start talking and then when I start talking try to do no no I'm not interested in hearing you talk I'm interested in you talking over me so we don't care we start muted rounds we can start muted rounds don't pay some respect give me an example we can go back and forth for two minute intervals if you guys would like no I will not do yeah yeah that would be great I will not do I don't want to participate I don't want to be talking over time and I definitely don't want to remember me I have to answer my question or I'm going to continue to ask a question I'm not gonna what is a single example of evidence can you mute him please what is a single example I think he's just asking this question he's gonna stop so if you if you want to just answer his question there I think we can we'll be able to move on after that so he's looking for some more evidence it sounds like for that a single example like I want him to pick a single example that he thinks is evidence I gave lots we can go through a single example holy you can keep talking to me like I'm a naughty little child but I'm not going to take that kind of shit a single example I will talk moderate moderate make him answer the question make him pick a single piece of thing that is interrupting me I'm sorry Howard he did ask for just one one of the single pieces of pieces of evidence that you had provided there so if you want to delve into one of the examples that you had talked about in the video there that might make I do some of the conversation that he's looking for I think I do thank you Ryan but the problem is every time I start speaking he talks over me why do you keep talking about what I do just give an example how hard is this Howard pick an example say the words two minute rounds muted because I don't want to deal with this kind of disrespectful childish video game playing the moderator doesn't answer the question just mute him you have one chance Howard answer the question pick a single example of evidence we can go through the list one at a time a single example of evidence top 30 no no stop interrupting me stop interrupting me Ryan either you mute it or we end the debate right now I'm not gonna go through my list of evidence if he's gonna talk over me every time I open my mind I don't want a list I want an example a single example the list is a list of examples one example I would but you keep talking over me every time I start pick an example so we'll go through the list one at a time I don't want the list that's the plus I'm saying don't give me the list I don't want your garbage list I want you to pick a single example this is not rocket science I will pick one example off the list and then we can go to another example off the list no no no we pick one example pick one example go what is the example to tell me what to do I don't get it why don't you pick an example off my list I'm gonna interrupt here Howard I do I will say that it doesn't look like the the live chat is an agreement that they would like for us to go down into one of the specific examples that you provided in your intro me so if we can just pick one of those examples and move into a discussion about one of those specific things that would be I think that would be what the what tjump is looking for and also what the audience is looking for so yeah yeah me too but if tjump's gonna keep talking over me every time I start speaking this isn't gonna work so how about tjump picks one of the examples of the many that I gave in my opening pick an example Howard stop you pick one you pick one stop deflecting Howard answer the question pick stop deflecting you stop deflecting why don't you pick one because I've literally asked one question the entire time give me a single example of evidence and you've done nothing but deflect I gave my question this is my question I started with the first question give me a single example of evidence and you have not done so in 10 minutes I started with the first question and you've diverted it and you're deflecting from the fact that you didn't give any evidence so I'm asking you Howard Howard stop deflecting give me a single piece of evidence Tom Tom why don't you I'm not going to listen to anything you say I don't give a shit mate goodbye Tom I don't give a shit what you say everyone that's watching knows that I've just given a list of evidence you're welcome to give me a single example stop pick one stop give me a single example did you pay attention did you give me a single example of evidence Howard I'm just asking why don't you give me one why don't you give me one me a single example of evidence if you're not going to give me a single example of evidence that's the one question that is literally the point of the entire debate can you just kick him out please I'll be good moderator can I just ask how is it that I've presented lots of evidence he hasn't presented any why is he asking me to present more evidence when he hasn't presented any I'm telling you that's how the burden of proof works you have the positive claim so give me a single piece of evidence I've given you lots of evidence why don't you give me one you pick one you pick one nope you pick one why wouldn't you give me a single piece of evidence Howard moderator he has to do something like he has the burden of proof I can't do anything if he doesn't present I've presented evidence now if you have anything to say about it go for it what have you got to say about the evidence that I've presented you have one and you have no you have nothing unfortunately our conversation there's no conversation very far if we yeah if we keep focusing on what who's going to make what point and on where so one of if either one of you can pick one of those points preferably yourself Howard where they are the arguments that you were presenting in the intro there I've tried whether it's the you know I was watching the live chat here so I don't really want to make any suggestions on what I'd heard there but if you want to pick one of your more favorite examples here I would love to but every time I try Tom why do you keep delaying just pick one because you've got a bad attitude you've got no respect and you're right I don't respect you that's true pick one you pick one no because every time I've tried to pick one you've spoken over me because you haven't been picking one you've been complaining you've done nothing but complain and you haven't addressed the question show arrogance and show that you have no evidence you pick one I've given a lot of evidence Tom what have you got a problem with what don't you what which part of my evidence you're all you're all everything you said is absolute garbage pick one everything you've said is complete garbage I've shown evidence you haven't so moderate moderate he's wasting my time moderate he's got a problem with my evidence tell me what it is you don't like about the evidence Tom and we'll talk about it you're gonna have to give them the answer the question I'm just gonna wait until he answers the question go ahead I'm so sorry that Howard it does look like uh instead of answering with what you think t-jump is going to feel about the the point that you're going to make or whether I don't think he's going to interrupt you if you start talking about a specific example that you made in your intro uh I think we can count on that so if instead of saying he won't let you speak or anything like that if you could just go right into an example of something that's related to the did dragons exist because we can't just spend the whole time discussing who's going to pick which argument so if you could pick one of the arguments that were in your opening discussion and expand on that and get into the meat of the discussion otherwise we're just going to be keep them on going in circles yeah I'd love to is there any chance you could mute Tom so I could speak without interruption and then we could move forward how much I think that was a great idea too many rounds absolutely right and if yeah well if we could pick one of the discussions rather than if we like I said I don't think t-jump's going to interrupt if we can just expand on one of those uh opening discussions right so um that's kind of I think what the audience is looking for here is just uh the discussion about the dragons rather than who's going to pick an argument so if we could get into that meat that would be great it would be great it really would can you mute him please can you pick I'm not having him I will can you stop interrupting can you mute him and I'll talk I'll be able to give a few reasons why I think my I don't want a few reasons about one the evidence that I've presented is reproducible you can find it yourself it's primary information so when we're talking about an example are you going to keep talking over me Tom you said it's reproducible what is reproducible I would love to explain but if you're going to talk over me this isn't going to work Ryan yeah one last time can you please mute Tom all right Ryan did what I say makes sense there he said something's reproducible I want to know what the thing that's reproducible is why don't you wait until I finish speaking and then when I finish speaking you can ask a question or make a comment what we'll do is yeah we'll let we'll let Howard make his point here if you don't mind T jump I'll I'll put you on the mute for just one moment so no I'm not accepting that no I'm not gonna accept that all right so how does that answer the question is that is that your skill is that how you win debates by interrupting people can't you know because you say gibberish you say hours and hours of gibberish I want a single example well I don't want hours arguing over nothing because you keep interrupting if you don't interrupt you might actually you have all the power Howard you can just answer the question at any time that's why I want to Ryan has the power to mute you so I recommend you do that I'm so sorry yeah I was gonna say I I do want to test the theory if you don't mind to jump that if we if we put you on mute if we know some of the nope not interested we're not going to play Howard's game he has to answer the question he has to play about a rule of debate about one minute how about one minute rounds Tom how about one minute where you don't just give you five seconds takes less than five seconds it'll take me a man answer the question what take me a minute is an example of evidence nine minutes take five seconds give an example no I'll take a minute no I'll take an uninterrupted minute one minute uninterrupted because is this your show Tom is this your show yes it is so you're going to get five seconds give me an example just listen I don't want background information I don't want all of the evidence I don't want to know if it's repeatable I just want an example this is evidence you don't gotta explain why just tell me this is evidence have you finished talking Tom no go on man keep keep talking Tom I don't want to interrupt you okay what's the evidence is it my turn to talk no I'm going to give you an option to give five seconds to listen if you don't I'm gonna deflect and invade I'm gonna ask you again what's the evidence give me the example okay I need a minute I need a minute I'm not gonna give you a minute tell me exactly what the evidence I don't I don't want a minute of gibberish that I have to respond to I want a single example it takes five seconds to give a single example hey look this this this is a top of a pita butter jar example done took you two seconds can you do that I gave 12 minutes of evidence we can go into it so can you pick one tell me what that one is why don't you pick one did you did you watch it were you playing video games were you playing video games is that why you're doing it so I'm still playing that's why that's why you don't want to pick one because you weren't paying attention no I don't want to pick one because what you said is dumb can you give me an example how can you know it's done if you're not giving me your undivided attention Tom because you said it that is sufficient information to know it's dumb well that's just disrespectful and childish I don't agree with you you're not proving that I'm done with counter evidence are you right I'm not I'm not showing that you're right we already know we had we already know that you're dumb and so we can guess with induction that anything you say is probably dumb and so I don't I can use a justified belief that what you say is done since everything else you said this is do you have an example of evidence yeah but I'm not going to start talking if you're going to talk over me again Tom so why don't we do the one minute what we can do is we can go into one minute I will not participate if I have to listen to a gibberish of his minute I want an example if he can't do it we're not doing it if you don't allow people to talk Tom you you have every opportunity to talk you have every opportunity to talk but you've had every opportunity to remain quiet but you won't so we should have muted rounds I will not participate unless he actually gives an example in under 10 seconds okay because yeah if we yeah we can't get into the discussion uh this way we would have to go into muted rounds just so that we can get some I will not participate in muted rounds I'm not interested in listening to more of a gibberish I want an example it's very clear very concise reasonable requests if you can't do it I'm not interested in listening to them enjoy your video game Tom thank you I am it's a very good maybe me and Ryan could have a discussion a respectful discussion when we allow each other to talk and you could just play your video game yeah I'm not interested in hearing you preach well then why don't you shut up and let me and Ryan talk because you're obviously I don't want to listen to you preach right Ryan I've asked for one minute muted rounds because Tom's not happy with two minute muted rounds I've asked it for a five second explanation sorry are you talking over me again I was talking to Ryan not you Ryan I've made 12 minute video with lots of evidence which Tom hasn't even watched or listened to because he's too busy playing video games I don't know why you're here having a debate if you're not even gonna pay attention to people are you going to give an example if you would like to refute if you would like to make a rebuttal about any of the evidence that I've shown you pick something Tom show us all that you actually watch I'm still waiting for an example still waiting I gave you 12 minutes of examples Tom why don't you give me something you give me nothing you pick one I will if you mute it for yourself for a one minute I'm not interested in listening to a minute of you ramble I want an example I'm not interested in doing what you say I'm not gonna shotgun 10 seconds I'm just gonna mute I'm just gonna mute him because I'm tired of listening to him you can tell me if he gives an example and you can tell me what that example is so he's on he's muted on your end so if we if we can't have a discussion between you two gentlemen unfortunately the best thing to do would be to go into our what we have for our Q&A here if we have Q&A because it doesn't look like we're going to get into some real meat in the discussion here unfortunately for this topic shame an example between the two of you um you know and I just say one last time I'm happy to go through my list picking them myself but I insist that I get up to a minute without being interrupted to explain why I believe that point is valid and whatever else I want to say about that point I don't see why Tom gets to dictate how quick that I have to give answers and I really don't understand how he is insisting that I pick a part of evidence that I've already given I've given 12 minutes of evidence he's welcome to pick on any of my evidence but pick on it yourself you choose part of my evidence that I've listed in 12 minute video and tell me what it is you don't think's worthy or right so tell me what you've got against my evidence Tom you've seen we're going to ask maybe a little Q&A or something because I'm bored we can go into what we have for Q&A we don't have a whole lot here right now it does look like most of the live chat is what I've been discussing here and trying to push the discussion here into some of the substance there but it does look like we're going to we're not going to be able to get too deep into that right as of now so just give me a few minutes here and I'm sorry everybody that that looks like we'll be calling this one a little bit shorter than what we plan that's a shame I've really prepared for this as well but I've got so much information to talk about but I'm not going to be spoken over like this every time I speak to Tom it's disgusting if he can't be muted then he presents his argument yet because I doubt it I highly doubt it I bet money he didn't do it my argument is that I've made 12 minutes of evidence you've given zero again this is the second time we've had a debate in this month in which or last month that you haven't presented any counter evidence all you show is all you present is arrogance Tom that's all his mouth is moving but none of what he's saying is his argument my argument is you have no counter evidence and you didn't pay attention to the 12 minutes of evidence that I gave in my opening statement everyone else saw it but you were playing video games again so tough sharing I'm pretty sure that's over a minute on erupted it's still no argument right I'm not making an argument about the evidence I'm making an argument about your lack of evidence and your vast amounts of arrogance that's all I'm arguing we'll take one from we'll take one from the live chat to see if we can get pinpointed here for two euros Andrew one thank you so much for your super chat I'd ask can Howard pick one of his best evidences only with pleasure as long as Tom doesn't interrupt me see I think that a lot of my evidence is really good because it's reproducible that means it's primary information it's stuff that you can find for yourself so when I'm talking about ancient texts you can find them for yourself statues you can go and look at them yourself artwork you can find on the internet or you can go and look at museums petrified organs along the coastline and also along the riverbeds stories is all Tom's got stories about partial bone discoveries so I'll look at my evidence which is reproducible to back up the interpretation from the bone discoveries that are made and then I look at Tom's lack of evidence which is zero or you if he had prepared a presentation it would have just been secondary information all based on dinosaurs and that's just an interpretation that's been given to him so I look at the alternative to dragons which is dinosaurs and I see lots of evidence why that wouldn't wouldn't be trustworthy because all dinosaur bones are kept in secret and the only people that can inspect them are museum people that work for the museum and even if you could inspect a bone if the discoveries partial like we know they are how do you know what the head looks like just because you've got two or three bones so when we fact my point is my evidence is all we have is partial bone discoveries so you can believe what Tom believes that the partial bone discoveries are dinosaurs because that's what you were taught to believe by one source museum owners and academia that's all pushing for dinosaurs and long timelines and globes and evolution but all of that house of cards crumbles when you take one part one card away where I am of the opinion I'm open minded but I'm of the opinion that dragons aren't the fabrication a myth only because we see them all over the world like I showed in my opening statement we find these bone discoveries mostly partial but when they are complete we see that they call them sea dragons themselves so the sea dragon bone discovery that was found in the UK is my best evidence that there were dragons because all other bone discoveries are partial and the only thing that people like Tom have to back up his interpretation or his belief on what the bone discoveries are is from an industry do you see why I don't let him talk like all the gibberish the question was give one piece of evidence what what is one piece of evidence Howard bone discoveries pay attention Tom what bone discoveries what you class as dinosaur bone discoveries I would class as giants and dragon bone discoveries how are those evidence of dragons you really should have paid attention to the opening statement but okay I'll go through the evidence of dragons I'll try and go through the video off the top of my mind just like a premise premise conclusion this is evidence of dragons because why because all over the world people have depicted dragons in their statues in their artwork in their literature so you said depictions no depictions all over the world Tom I'm not interested I was making a point no you don't get to finish I have to stop going to your gibberish machine again I don't want to hear your gibberish machine this would be a fine time to have a little back and forth which is fine but if we want if you want to hold on to your point there for just one second to jump we'll let him finish his example of the statues there and then I will let you respond no I will not let him finish because I know his gibberish so that was actually a relatively good answer so he gave bones bones that was a great he did he gave a single example bones phenomenal how are bones evidence of dinosaurs and his answer was people had depictions and statues also concise if you just stopped there that'd be great that's that's a phenomenal argument right there be concise it's stupid but sufficiently concise so how exactly does Howard think depictions of dinosaurs is or depictions of dragons is evidence that they actually existed why are depictions evidence they actually existed you finished no I'm never finished let me know when you're finished I will never be finished but you can you can interrupt me and I will allow you to interrupt me I'd hate to interrupt you Tom I'm sure you would okay so did you have any response there Howard or would you want to I'd love to but is he going to interrupt me again before I finish making my point like an immature child probably probably well maybe we should mute you and wait until I finish speaking are you good just to answer the question that'd be great what I'm going to interrupt me before I make my put finish my point again so if I have to listen to your monologue yeah please mute him Ryan I don't want to have to keep talking nonsense with this guy it's like basic education manners learn some manners you pig Ryan can you mute him for 30 seconds so I can answer the point no he's going to talk over me I'm not interested well I'd love to have a serious conversation with the serious adults if you're not able to do that then mute yourself or please Ryan just mute him just mute him for 30 seconds he's not able yeah I'd like to answer the question okay so we're going to go to an open discussion so uh you know we did want to have some back and forth of course in the discussion and I my plan wasn't into indiscriminately mute yourself either Howard so you know I don't want to disrespect anybody of course in that regard and it doesn't seem like we're it does seem like there is chance here for back and forth so you know I think you can probably both interrupt each other liberally if you want I think that's what T jump is applying but I yeah if you could just make your example and continue I'll try I'll try it's just this isn't the way I like to communicate and I don't want to be part of a conversation that promotes this childish immature disrespectful behavior I would prefer to have a decent conversation with a decent person I would like to give you an answer but I'm so go ahead I'm gonna stop complaining and just give me the answer don't complain about my behavior just give me the request one last time so you're just complaining I don't want complaining I'm not complaining I'm making a little request literally what you're doing what do you think the definition of complaining is just give the answer I'm making the request will you feel complaining I'm not complaining I'm making literally what you're doing you're complaining okay oh my god I was complaining now I'm asking will you please show some respect so that you can answer the question without gibberish I would be happy to please answer the question without gibberish I don't want a backstory I don't want to talk over me I get nervous and then maybe I start speaking too much but that's what I don't want to do so I'm asking you formally respectfully will you show me some respect if you can answer the question concisely without gibberish I would be happy to see I don't believe it is gibberish I don't think anything I've said is gibberish I think I've given good solid evidence when somebody like the last question the question from the audience was can you give your single best example and you monologued for a minute about gibberish without giving an answer you didn't explain how what you think is evidence is actually evidence you said here's stuff lots of stuff and you gave 20 examples none of which you explained how it's evident this is why I want to pick one example and I want you to explain to us how you think it's evidence I don't want to list I don't want to hear a monologue I want you to explain how do you think the depictions of dragons is evidence that they actually existed wow you're such a hypocrite I literally spent a minute explaining you didn't explain any of it and you're telling me that you want me to explain a point but you don't want a monologue so I just look why don't you just shut up for a minute and I'll answer the question that's all I want to do Tom but you keep making comments like these gibberish interrupt when you're not answering any questions well that's disrespectful I don't care I'm going to interrupt if you're not answering the question I don't care about having good disrespect for conversation with a disrespectful person that you think that when we see depictions like in statues of dragons that that makes it reasonable to believe that those things exist why do you think when people make drawings that that means the things they drew exist why why do you think that I'll tell you if you promise don't tell me that you're going to tell me just tell me skip to the tell me part I'd love to so don't tell me you'd love to oh I was just about to talk and you've done it stop stop the prophecy just mute him just mute him and then no we're not going to answer the question I will but you keep interrupting me that you will just do it just do do the shallow buff just do it just do it haha we can continue Ryan I'd love to answer him but he keeps interrupting me well yeah I was gonna say it does seem like there's a little bit of a little bit of discussion there that is kind of missing so what we're going to do is we can continue into the the Q&A here and we can get into uh we can wrap it up here if that's all right if you follow us can I just quickly answer that question because this is stupid shut up Tom Ryan if he doesn't stop talking please mute him this is silly this shows bad moderation I'm sorry I want to talk about the topic and all he wants to do is run down my character and claim that I'm talking gibberish but he won't let me talk so I don't understand how this is good moderation I'm not trying to beat you up here I'm just saying mute him if he interrupts me and the conversation will flow much better the only reason I interrupt you is because you say you don't answer the question if you were actually answering the question I wouldn't interrupt you I only interrupt you because you say things that have literally nothing to do with the question all the time all right so we're gonna continue on into the live chat here and uh we do have another uh five dollars from John Athen thank you so much for that uh he asked what is the strongest piece of evidence for dragons cool so it's similar to the last question so I'll finally be able to answer it the idea is that if we see depictions all over the world that show the same thing either you're gonna believe that they all have telepathy and they all like transmitted the idea to different continents or they somehow had technology like mobile phones or video calls and they're like hey bro look at this picture I've just drawn drawn it's a it's a dragon it's got these wings and it breathes fire and it's got like scaly skin and and all these other places in the world saw the same video or got the same memo or they got the same message they channeled the same message so yeah the point is if there's the same depiction all over different parts of the world then you're either gonna believe in some kind of communication or that they made the same observation it's kind of simple why would they all have the same depiction if they hadn't made the same observation because people add wings to things all the time duh why don't they add wings to a cow why don't they add wings to what well why aren't there have you ever heard of a winged pig uh so why do you think there are common depictions all over the world of people with four arms are there any statues of winged pigs or winged elephants yes there are there's actually lots of them all over the world yes google wing pigs as you as many as there are of serpents uh entities and reptilians dragons why would the number matter oh okay so you're saying that a big quantity of evidence isn't stronger than a few examples no no no no that question is why do you think it's evidence at all people make statues of lots of things like people make statues of humanoids with four arms does that mean humanoids with four arms existed all over the world maybe answers no how do you know it's no were you are you a time traveler why are you so arrogant yes i am a time traveler i have been there they don't exist you're welcome but the reason it's not evidence is because people have this thing called an imagination there's a spongebob with the with a rainbow it's imagination and they use this imagination to combine things that aren't actually combined like a croco duck or a croco duck a duck with a crocodile head that doesn't exist are pictures of it yes because people use their imagination and then take that imagination and turn it into art and people do that all over the world people want to say a flying lizard is a common thing because they're cool and so they put them into statues and that's why just like they have hypocrites all over the world and sphinxes all over the world not because it's real but because people have this thing called an imagination well imagine that tom see i've got an open mind i'm not sure about anything that i speak about i just like to show evidence which has stacked up to give a conclusion that most likely there was some kind of dragons physically and maybe even in a higher dimension to this day there are dragons in my opinion but i'm open minded i'm willing to look at other information and i'm willing to listen to other ideas but you're very confident why are you complaining oh i'm sorry sorry i was i was i'm not just talking about you please let me finish talking tom it's it's really annoying i don't please the point is that this is why i don't want to talk because you're complaining you're complaining i was nearly finished i was nearly finished i'm going to keep talking i don't i just i wasn't talking just about the question was why do you think this is evidence i will answer again i don't want to stop interrupting i will tell why have you had to be with me tom i'm trying to talk and you're interrupting me all the sorry fellas i will have to mute you guys if we can't because of the delay there is like there's overlapping between your voices going on and no one's going to be able to understand what you're saying so um yeah what we will do is we'll just let him finish up the the question that was addressed to him t jump and then we'll continue with the other questions if that's all right um and we'll let you let you have a rebuttal there to uh what he's saying so we can hopefully get into some more of that conversation that we might missed out on uh so i'm just gonna let Howard finished up here what he was saying and then we'll uh we'll kick it over thank you so yeah we see depictions all over the world in countries flags we see statues we see artwork we see very old depictions and we see not so old depictions like georgia and a dragon um we've got the order of the dragon which uh wasn't that long ago it was a few hundred years ago and um the count Dracula the name Dracula comes from dragon and the royal family known as blue bloods and they're related to count Dracula i mean there's evidence everywhere Tom you're very confident over confidence i'm open minded i've got evidence to support my opinion you don't really have evidence you've just got very biased over confident beliefs that you can claim what what was happening years ago when you weren't even there crazy but yeah you're entitled to your beliefs even if i think they're a bit fanatical please do provide some counter evidence Tom why is it irrational for me to to believe that all these depictions and statues might have actually been inspired by something that they've observed because you haven't answered my question why did they all depict the same thing in different places please answer that because i've never seen spongebob square pants being designed by another cartoonist i've never seen two people paint Mona Lisa it's to me it seems like each artist has a unique style and you only get copies from do you see why i don't let him talk this is why i was waiting for you to unmute yourself this is why i do not let him talk you didn't i never will it's never and he answers the question i'm not gonna let him talk is that your evidence is that your counter evidence that because you are you gonna give an example now are you gonna explain why you think that you're not listening you're not listening to anything i'm saying because you're distracted by a video game and you're arrogant are you going to explain why you think depictions by imagination are evidence you're saying their imagination i'm saying their observation because the details why do you think i'm talking to tom the details are too i'm done i'm bored with this i can't keep going it's too dumb you're losing because you've got no counter evidence and everyone sees you're arrogant well done too dumb yes you are you've got no respect no decorum and no counter evidence no counter evidence again where's your counter evidence son okay so we do have another question here from a good question for five dollars related to the subject here he asks howard dinosaur bones are found across the planet and that's why there are depictions everywhere okay so bones are found across the planet okay so as i said to tom he's assuming they're dinosaur bones because it's a confirmation biased you've been told that they're dinosaur bones and you've been told that dragons didn't exist so your beliefs are based on secondary information only where my ideas are open-minded because my observations are primary information like i said before i can see physical scripture i can see different scriptures different religious texts and myths from all over the world that tells me it's not dinosaur bones it's dragon bones i can see statues i can see depictions and i can also see petrified organs along every coastline and riverbed so i don't agree that they're dinosaur bones because of the vast amount of evidence that says that the word dragons whereas the only evidence that people like you in the audience and tom has got to say that they're dinosaurs is the official narrative that's it apart from that one official source that says this is what you've got to believe all of the other evidence throughout history is saying that they're dragon bones that are being discovered but that's totally up to you whatever you want to believe all right uh for 100 i think uh they're they're called crones uh for both uh for both of you guys define the word evidence tom first that which can differentiate imagination from reality increases the proposition increases the probability of a proposition being true okay and uh you howard what would be your definition for evidence tom's really good at definitions i just count it as information to support an argument or an idea or an inclusion yeah all right all right and uh yeah that was uh that was from arna auravik uh so i think we have gotten to the end of our super chats there so uh if we uh wanted to call that a debate we will uh we will sign off here if uh if you're like gentlemen's are good all right cool all right well thank you everybody for uh coming out uh make sure that you definitely hit the like and subscribe because we will be back there's a crowd fund right now for uh upcoming debates so definitely check that out um but otherwise uh thanks everybody for coming out and uh yeah this is only a second time doing this so i'm still learning so uh thanks everybody for being patient with me and uh thanks gentlemen for coming out to have this discussion take care everyone thanks ryan thank you sorry about that mate