 my brother you asked about an alliance my presence here signals that we want to work together it also signals that we have worked together it also sends a message to the adult position party that we are supposed to work for one common goal and that is resummoned how we are going to work out this and how we're going to work together depends on how we are going to be meeting now in private before we come and tell you that there's a birth of a child so right now these are propositions why is normal in politics it's very normal yeah don't take it's like it's a witchcraft it's not and that's why we're doing it in the open and for us at Zambia and during the day and for Zambia must prosper we have announced to the nation that we are going to make overtures to all the opposition parties that we think we can work with that we believe have the same philosophy the same ideological thinking as us so there's nothing untoward for this kind of so once we agree on the fundamentals I'm sure the nation will be taught uh the directive that the Vxs must be so you know we must distinguish development to agenda yes from meritory and just platform shopping for populist pronouncements you must understand that when the president speaks sometimes it's trying to make headlines and trying to distract the nation from what is really hurting them this Vxs for us at least speaking for Zambia must prosper I'm not an issue yeah they are not an issue at all this country is 752,000 square kilometers is a big country so you can't compare this country to England England is six times smaller than Zambia the simple geography social studies actually great seven social studies so when you so when he says that in developed countries some of the leaders just drive small cars it is true but they drive small cars to go and park them and some of them get into what they call tubes my train to take them to work others they ride bicycles to go to work it's true because the distances are shorter now if honorary bonarumango the vice president has to go to Caputa you wanted to go in the Vxs I've been there I've been there I've been there I've been there I've been are you honestly telling me that the mp for Xangombo will have to go and drive a Yango or a Vxs or a Rion let's be serious the terrain in this country is not the same as the terrain in Europe the size of the countries are different so let's not mix the two but I'm glad that it's making this plan because somewhere along the line the MPs and some of the ministers are getting hurt because they are thinking so how are we going to visit our constituents not every country is like Zambia so we must make our judgment based on the local circumstances this Vx story for me is one of those stories where we want headlines and you people who go and report the president is being economical no the MPs and the ministers who live in far flanked areas and constituencies are in far flanked areas are going to be hurt have you ever been to Zambia I've been there have you ever been to Ikeling I've been there when you reach Solway just to educate you to get to Zambia is 540 kilometers it's like going to Livingston from here now you have to Solway then from Solway to Chavuma or Zambia is the road the same there is the same road from Solway is it going up to Winilunga Ikeling the same the terrain it's not how unfair is this president being to those MPs and ministers who want to get to their constituencies and visits same for people who are going to be going to Lundas have you been to the Lundas road it's the same minister of infrastructure who was telling the nation that's not an economic road so we want to repair that road so how does the MP in Lundas in Chasafu in Vubu get there with those bad roads if the roads were repaired the infrastructure was taken care of then he could argue to say drive because these smokers can reach there then would have said our president well done because you've taken care of the basics but the roads are not yet done and there is no plan for the infrastructure that is why you've seen Honourable Milu to go quiet we are still talking about the Lusaka and Dola geocourage road are we hearing anything and yet people even here it used to take me three hours to get from here to go and see my parents when they were live in Mufliu it now takes five seven hours to get to Mufliu why the road is bad now this is a couple of boats Lusaka road what about the rural system when you turn off from Kapiri going to Nakhondi can you drive my brother these pronouncements must be realistic and taken so for me this is wishing I want to buy the permits on Akupua let's stop telling this story development means you take care of the basics and the basics means the infrastructure must be taken care of and as a president the basics of economics when people are hungry no matter what you do they will tell you and that's what the problem is now the Zambians are complaining about hunger yes and that's where the president is feeling they've sold the maze they've sold the minima we have a crisis we are back to lining up for me to me those are basic simple economic theories and the both of us are lawyers he's the economist so who knows the economy the lawyers or they don't but we are thinking better than him correct and that's a problem here this is why I agree with the president of it and our history will tell you that okay thank you very much we will take another set of two questions set of two questions like I indicated the area on you tell us the media house you are representing and your full names yes my brother thank you my name is George from Fox newspapers my question is the related to the copper belt KCM as well as in Japan it's been one year six one year seven months the current regime has been talking about bringing in the investor and revamping KCM as well as a Mopani and the voice on the copper belt is growing what plans do you have as a board by alliance to address the issues of KCM as well as Mopani and do you think the UPND has the capacity to address the challenges that is facing these two big economic lines in this country thank you very much George any other question good afternoon president my name is post on Wanga from KDMT mine is just to get a clear more more explanation on what should be done to recover the economy indicated that the IMF has not yielded results up to now so as the opposition political party just want to get your advice on how best the economy can be recovered and to president I would like you to help me to give me a comment on what the UPND government is doing we have observed that many opposition political party leaders and members are being arrested in in a view of fights or fighting corruption so I'd like to get your comment on that thank you very much Boston from KBN TV just to set record straight you've caught Zambia Maspou's property president as Kelvin Fuwe Wadia the initials are KBF but when we write in the full it is Kelvin Fuwe Wadia he's not Mr Fuwe he's Mr Wadia if you say Mr Fuwe not answer you say you are talking to a different person a wrong person all together yes I know it's once happened that Millennium TV and someone said Mr Fuwe that man called and the the president said no no no not answer you are talking to a wrong person me I'm Mr Wadia not Mr Fuwe yeah so we have two questions maybe the first one to do with KCM Mopani I don't know who takes it um this is a very very important question that you've asked because it borders on the real economy on the copper belt I have been born raised and I grew up on the copper belt to point and to coming to visit their parents basically work for the mines so I understand the geography of the copper belts I also understand the economics of the copper belt the truth of the matter is the UP and the government does not have the answers to resolve the copper belt problems Mopani and KCM today are suffering the simple reason is there is just no plan there is no rescue plan the operational costs from Mopani and KCM cannot be met with the levels of production which are going on on the copper belt today that's number one number two the contractors who are the majority of the employers who work but feed off the mines also are not being paid by the mines because the mines are not producing enough so there lies the problem the mines can't produce enough to pay the contractors and therefore the contractors are laying off the weapons what is happening now on the copper belt is shameful more so that the UP and the government condemned what the PF was doing and then they're going to do the same thing by appointing a receiver sit the receiver at KCM and we're doing the same thing which they said was wrong today as we speak three quarters of the contractors subcontractors subcontracting themselves with the mines are not working which means the majority of the people who generate money around the copper belt are not there what is the solution the solution the solution is very simple you must find an investor who is willing to fit into the profile of what your developmental agenda is we at least speaking for myself as Zambal mas cross I've taken a study and we understand that that copper belt needs to be revamped but some of the investors who are coming on board today the president is talking of negotiating with the Vedanta Vedanta but these negotiations have taken how long and today what are the answers he was on the copper belt I think it's been there two three times now and the people on the copper belt were expectant he has come back no solutions the truth of the matter is those negotiations may not yield the results who owns these mines perhaps that's the starting point the mines belong to this country and whether you like it or not you have to make a political decision are you going to let your people keep suffering because you think you must be negotiating forever no a political decision means that ZCCM IH and other investors must come on board discuss and say we are taking over the operations of the mines after the mines are in Zambia what would be wrong with first of all saying the mines become operational then we provide an investor later because this government can find the money this government can put up collateral for that mine so that the mines becomes operational we've got enough people in northwestern province running the mines get some of those people to come and grind the KCM and the Mopani arrangements whilst you negotiate with the Vedanta to me that would be an immediate solution whilst you look for a long-term solution but if you don't have the mines operating there is no production or the production is very low there will be no answer to the problems on the copper belt further what the president and the UPND will not tell you is that they've got operational problems the operational problems are these one machineries are breaking down underground don't be surprised if there are floods in one of these mines because we don't have enough pumpings i mean the pumps to pump out the water to get that water into the kaffir river we don't have enough of the line to stop that pollution of that water and that smoke which we used to inhale it means there's no mining going on you go and see whether chambesh is producing anything even that economic zone around chambesh is there i've been there i've seen so what they are doing now is getting the black mountain from the black mountain to go and start the new leaching which they're doing so that mining takes place now with acid but the actual digging of the copper it's a problem because the machinery is old there's been no replacement of machinery how are you going to start mining when the machines are old everything that you see on the roads by well machinery is going to the new mines in northwestern province the copper belt is dying slowly and the upnd has no solutions for us we have a plan but i shall wait until i launch the manifesto for this but i'll tell you what plans we have about the copper belt because we've been there we've studied that situation and we have a solution but right now that's just an overview of some of the solutions which are capable of sorting out that problem on the copper belt but if you don't mind the contractors are not being paid the copper belt dies once the copper belt mining is not taking place the contractors are not being paid where's the money coming from from the copper belt everything dies this is what we mean when we talk about production cities in zambia must prosper production cities identify an industry which will be an anchor for the economic activities around a town once that is functioning then the other subsidiary companies move in trade commerce banking you also have residential homes being created you have hospitals being created your banking keep being created then marketing trade and commerce comes in banana market here they will not sell anything no one is buying even if the teachers on the copper belt are paid today it's not the same as wash mining a lot for i've been there wash mining a lot for the country i mean the town shakes because they're the major contributors to the economy the others feed off the mines i hope you understand so we shall give that a bit more discussion when we get to launch the mine first who's the other brother who asked me personal question kbem maybe the question should be do we have a plan at least i will not answer for the economic front but i'll speak for myself as zambia must prosper we do have a manifesto which we are about to launch so perhaps before i go two steps ahead or is it three steps ahead around allow us to launch the manifesto so that you can look at it dissect it read and then you see where we're coming from but for us as zambia must prosper we're about to launch that manifesto about how the economy will be attacked and we shall attack it left right and center to ensure that every area and every sector is going to be talked about so that zambians get some hope that there is a future to look for but with the upnd one thing i can tell you is i worked with my good friend daga in the hlm during the alliance the upnd alliance leading up to the elections in 2021 the truth of the matter is there is no vision on the economy there is no economic plan that will help this country revive itself or get itself from where it is so from the upnd perspective i see no solution but there will be a lot of talk and you'll be told it's very important very important that that one will come but as to solutions could it be so for me that's where i live with me thank you very much you call upon president kavimba to tackle the question to do with the arresting of opposition political party leaders by u p and the government of president aga in the hlm every day we hear an opposition leader is arrested and so forth what's our take okay let me just give another dimension to what the president is going to say about the economy it's very important that as an example we understand the history of the world economy including our economy these are economies that have been designed structured by our imperialists from a colonial master not to be productive economies for their people this is what is known as a new colonial economy an economy that is on the back or designed on the back of what we call independence i laugh myself when i read it was now i'm able to to read the national anthem very well when i was at prime minister and so on that's cool i just used to stand up proud and free you know i didn't even know what it meant to be proud and what it meant to be free now i understand now i understand this economy was designed to be an economy that will produce raw material for the west and the americans that's the purpose of this economy nothing else nothing else so when you listen to up and the ministers and i remember a few colleagues in the media uh have the same memory as mine and you follow the first standard interview that is to make most water in the heart as minister of finance after up and one this is what he said we are going to ensure that we produce copper in this country and we want to export this copper in its raw form we're going to have value addition to copper to enhance its value that's what he said over two over two years ago now i want you colleagues in the media to do some research whether or not there is any form of value addition that you have seen in copper that's what i'm going to do some research even just kawaii kangono come in the mangy and we're able to do it here in zambia the answer is zero the zambian copper is only ours when it is underground when it is mined and it comes you know to the surface it belongs to vedanta it belongs to first quantum and the church and musokotani have no control and no claim over that copper the price for the copper is pegged that the land and metro exchange in london by fellows that don't own the copper poor countries there's no copper being produced in in london there's no copper that is produced in france but the only the copper which comes from zambia and even peg the price that is a structure of this economy so when you think that the the imf as the fish in the pond is going to empty its own pond you must be a fool you must be a fool it's no way the imf which was designed to keep african countries in perpetuity in poverty in perpetuity is ever going to redeem with this economy that is nonsense i know those are the are the textbooks that is to make musokotani and the hh and others read at the universe of zambia i know but surely when you tell me the age of 60 there is nobody who turns the age of 60 who is described as intelligent they describe us as wise okay there's nobody who's going to describe me now and say me so that women are intelligent i must be a wise man now because of what i've seen in the past hh is 60 to make musokotani is over 60 surely they must begin to turn into wise men but they don't seem to they don't seem to so the whole of this imf thing is a hoax nowhere in the world has the imf ever redeemed a third world economy nowhere and these two guys know that very well so somebody said you always like this statement you're saying if they do come and take my last dollar how many how many dollars do you have so i can also challenge you if this economy improves come and get my last dollar because it won't it won't arrests i don't think that the president kbf and myself here and i'm sure any woman in zambian would have a problem with anybody arrested for offenses that they committed i don't think so i don't think so what do we have a problem with as political party leaders and even as lawyers yes is the due process of the law of the law that's all that is our problem if somebody is arrested for a bondable offense give them bond if somebody is arrested for a billable offense grant them bail that's all that we're saying and this is what hh himself said as we're swearing in the let me catch over this i g i didn't i didn't say i'm sorry that we the current i g maybe has changed his mind but do you the catch over that's what he said that's all that we're saying you can't be arresting people causing trauma to their families you know to their friends and then at the end of the day they are acquitted no mpd is a case in point hundred and what four hundred and seven days at the quota at the court four hundred and seven days in prison and when she's about to be acquitted because there was no evidence against her the entire knowledge that is criminal that's criminal the part of the state that's not the due process of the law that's all that we're asking that's all that we're demanding and he promised this himself i've been arrested 15 times oh my god i spent you know and you know he's a very bad public speaker as the economics are very bad speaker very boring there was in mcoveco hundred and seven days we went to see him with this bag to mcoveco just to see how healthy he is we went to visit him in mcoveco even as people think that i don't like him mcoveco has done four hundred and seven days so between the mcoveco and the hhv you ask me who is the hero it's mcoveco it's a woman where church was at mcoveco hundred and seven days like i said last time we must now shut up we have a hero in the now don't want to listen to that boring voice hundred and seven days so colleagues that's all that we are demanding due process of the law that's all because he himself complained about these things when he was in the opposition what is good for the goods and good for the gander must be good for the gander too thank you we call upon the zmp president kbf to comment on the harassment of former political party leaders and national leaders in this country um i just want to make an addition to what my big brother said here um you see as lawyers we have a certain thing and uh the first thing is due process must be obeyed as been explained but also the investigations have to be done before you actually knock on someone's door and this is what they change from a stress and we're not saying anything that he didn't say exactly this is what he said because of his own experiences i'll give you a case in point um former president longwood home was raided i guess and this is the former head of state whether you say you're going to see mama estalungu or you're going to see another person in that the point is this is the form of president's home you go with grinders you go with a pantheon of policemen and things like that this is what we call psychological harassment we don't do that one in a democratic country to in a civilized country which has laws what would have stopped this government of the u p n d for example to simply said we are sending two plain cloth c i d officials go and drop a call out mama estalungu tomorrow report yourself at the police station what would have stopped your estalungu going to police station in a very civilized man all that drama we saw there was not going to take place all that manpower the waste of government resources was not going to take place but there it was in full view of even those that supported the church the embassies the western embassies especially they saw what was going on there have we seen that kind of harassment before on a former head of state at his home no but here's the question what was the aim no we are looking for vehicles how many vehicles came out of that yard one little bit how many man hours were wasted how many police were mobilized that was an operation planned until the former head of state came out and said what is it that you want there was going to be war there and if we're not careful people have been saying no the police conducted themselves professionally people can know the gentleman the point is the professional police would have simply said two c id officers send a call out mama estalungu come to police station end of story what we saw there was not professional what we saw there was intimidation and psychological warfare on the mind of the former head of state because if you're going to touch his wife technically already in his bedroom you're already attacking him you wanted him to leave the wife and say no no no do you have a phone i may not coming out which man does that so when we talk of the rule of law when we talk of good governance these are some of the issues we're going to observe this government on how are they attending into those things how are they conducting themselves how are they using the police the investigation wings are they just using them like trash dogs and saying go and back and make noise on people's doors until we get them out even to the police we are begging we are peeling the police force please try and be as professional as you can because one day what you're doing will happen to you and you don't want that to happen to you and the most disappointing point in part for me as a person who was quite close to the president during the alliance video was that this is the same thing he kept drilling into my ears no more now this won't happen i will not allow this these kind of promises we can see now they were just talk for the sake of talk i think we have a president in state house who's not very conversant with the law so we appeal to those that are supposed to advise him on legal matters let them give him the proper advice so that the police are used properly and indeed himself doesn't make unnecessary pronouncements yesterday we saw honorable window on his birthday being thrown in happy birthday being sung on the behind the scenes but how unfortunate but you see you ask yourself what kind of offense was this a breach of some parliamentary rule of some kind and stuff like that are we honestly going to be throwing each other in prison back and again look at the amount of police man i was being wasted on such a simple arrest what would have stopped them from simply saying this is the vice president or acting vice president of a political party send the call out two policemen again would have been enough we want you to report us over to woodland police end of story are you honestly telling me citizens that's a given moving that would have refused to go to woodland police station i don't think so so why get that again but for me it's a panty panty anyway masambians we are promising you that the day is coming when all this will be a thing of the past at least we want to ensure that the rule of law gets back to what is supposed to be not just pokemon but in reality thank you should we take the last two questions and i see before we close if we are done i will call upon the post president on our winter cabimba to give us closing remarks thank you i just want to thank everybody at that time particularly my dear brother here present kbf vice president of corona plant all of you colleagues you know media fraternity and i think that this this should not be should be the first meeting but not the last one yes it goes now be some of the seven no no no not now not now okay so we shall continue to confer and the to interact with you as media so that you know exactly what is going on that my brother said some of the things we can disclose them now there will be time but i can tell you that that news you'll be juicy i know how you like good news for me but that news especially three steps ahead especially to have a parade you know that so thank you very much my brother again for coming thank you mr. president great honor for us in the economic front thank you and you have a big thank you very much