 Welcome to Toffy TV for today's chat. I am joined by Sam Benjamin, actor, writer and evertonian. You'll see Sam in Peaky Blinders, BBC's War of the Worlds and he's due to start in this year's action movie I Am Vengeance with the Dinnie Jones retaliation. So that looks like it's going to be a big one. Sam, welcome to Toffy TV. How are you mate? They're in good under the circumstances bars, how are you? Yeah, just all doing the same thing aren't we? Just watching as many box setters we can or playing on my PlayStation or all that kind of thing to stay out the way and can only do what we've been told to do make aren't we? Yeah, exactly, yeah. So where are you at the moment here in London? Yeah, yeah. I'm in me flat in London. Nice. No garden. No garden. No, no. None of this fancy stuff that other people have but yeah. So you're getting out for your hours exercise a day, that's the most important thing. I am yeah, it feels like prison doesn't it? Like you've got to go out for your hour out on solitary. It's mad, it is mad. It's such a mad situation. Go to the parks for the first time in your life. Yeah, I know seeing a lot of people walking who have never seen walking before but fair play, fair play. You do what we can. I saw someone post the other day and she's like a fitness instructor and she said something like 40 years I've been in this industry trying to get people to exercise and all it took was the government to lock everyone down and say you can only go out for an hour. Yeah, and everyone's on it. Everyone's on it. So let's have a little chat about your career and how you got into acting and stuff. So how did that come about to see you'd gone off to university and went to a drama school or something like that? Is that how you were acting before then? Yeah, I mean there's obviously the long version, the short version. I mean essentially I was, ever since I was lucky in the sense that ever since I was a little kid I wanted to be an actor. I can remember thinking it in primary school and I think it was a combination of just loving films and not having any confidence as a kid. So I prefer being other people. That's where I could be confident and be whoever I wanted to be. So I'm just growing up with you know all I used to go to meet dads every other Saturday and we used to show me inappropriate 18 rated films like Alien and Die Hard and all those kind of action films from the 80s and I'd be like oh I want to do that. So but then you know dad was a taxi driver, forklift truck driver, my mum was a hairdresser and everyone thought I was mad to want to be an actor which probably that's true and so yeah I basically went to school, I did like, I didn't really study drama in school, I did it outside of school especially as a teenager when a mate of mine was like age you want to come to this drama group and I was like and he was like it's like 80% girls and I was like all right yeah I'll be there on Tuesday yeah so did that then and yeah and then in school I was quite good at like the written subjects and I was kind of being groomed to be going to law because I had good grades but then I kind of thought now I can't let, I need to follow me dream at least attempt it so I and then so no one in my family had been to uni so I was like right I'm going to go to uni I'll do a proper subject which was history because I thought no point going and doing some Mickey Mouse even though some people say history was Mickey Mouse but it's not as Mickey Mouse as you know some like media studies or something like that so I thought go do a proper old school subject but in me spare time do as much acting student plays short films all that kind of stuff and then yeah first play I was in was Angels in America which HBO did a version of it with Al Pacino did that and I was lucky that the director was knew what he was doing and he invited this national student drama festival and then I got picked and then I ended up doing a summer training with Patrick Stewart and that was like the moment where I was like oh my god it's doable it's actually doable and just meeting someone like that and having a you know face to face with someone like Patrick Stewart it's like oh and then and then like I remember him talking about you wouldn't expect it but he's a working class lad from Hothersfield and then you're like oh no yeah because obviously all that generation got taught to you know speak in that accent so it was like all of a sudden it's like oh it is doable so then at that point I was like right I'm going all out for it and then when I finished uni I had no money I was in debt and then I moved back um up to the world got a job in a bank um because I just thought I've just got to make as much money as possible I tried to get a job and I was on the dough for about a month and a half couldn't get a job and then um and then eventually blagged a job in a bank and then money audition for drama school and then went to drama school the year after that and then I've been working as an actor and there's a writer and creating stuff as well for the past 11 years so obviously I mean I'm amazing you didn't want to be a football I thought we all wanted to be footballers first and then maybe acting was second it's weird like I think my I had I had a bit more of a realism in my footballing dreams than in my acting dreams for some reason and you know I used to play I played for a team called Bevington Rovers um and I was for a period I was the captain I played defensive centre mid was kind of a bit of a Lee Carsley in the sense that I was I was never like I always knew I was never a natural but I knew that so I had to work at it so I was always like I was a good tackler I was a good passer and I and like I could I had a good engine on me so I just I just was a nuisance basically rather than but whenever I got the ball my instinct was always right I'm giving it to him because he can create something um so I always knew on a football pitch I was I could hold my own but I wasn't you know I wasn't a flashy player or a natural on the ball so I never had any illusions even obviously I dreamed of it and you know number five on the back of all the Everton shirts because that was the number of war for me team as well outstanding so acting acting was the yeah it was the more realistic dream so what was I mean obviously oh yeah you know right well listen I mean you've achieved it so so there you go dreams it's all about dreaming isn't it um what was your first what was your first real acting job then uh the first one uh the literally the first one was I I did a a play called glass house in at the Bristol tobacco factory and I got it just as I graduated from drama school in the September of 2009 and the guardian gave it a one star review but um but I did say the producer was devastated but in the review they did put that I gave the best performance of the night so I was like get results and he was like what are you talking about it's one star and I was like yeah well um because I did uh did that but then my first tv job was doctors um which I did in 2010 and I played I played like a a womanizing pizza delivery boy whose my first line yeah whose first I was on my first line on tv ever was um this uh girl opens the door and then I'm standing there in the doorway and I just look down and then go large pepperoni and then uh it it went on from there so that was that was my first job um I don't remember as well my agent at the time who got me the audition she said oh I've got an audition for you it's for doctors but she was like don't worry too much about it you're not going to get it and I was like all right great keeping it real for you then there you go you got it though proved her wrong didn't you yeah proved her wrong yeah yeah yeah and it was good to get something it's it's always good as an actor for like get like get on the rung and get your first tv credit because then people are like oh yeah you can do it he's on there you know i mean so that as it just progressed from there then is it is it a case it's just do you read for everything to get script sent here is it is it literally through agents it's it's a bit it's a bit of both i mean it's been it's been um it's been a struggle like especially in the early years it's uh you get you get the one thing and then you think oh i'm off to the races here i'm going to be they're going to be bringing me in for you know the leo the caviar movies and all this uh but actually it's not like that at all um so yeah it's sometimes you're feeding off especially in the early days you're feeding off scraps um the next one i did was little crackers which was with john bishop which i think was about a year after that right and for a while you kind of get brought in for stuff that's you know it's a lot of stereotyping like they you know they look especially within the industry they'll look at me and they'll go you know even though i'm from the world and i don't have a particularly strong accent but a lot of people especially down south as far as they're concerned they they'll go oh yeah oh yeah he's Liverpool we'll bring him in for you know the the rough Liverpool guy on the estate and we'll bring him in for the you know all that kind of stuff so i kind of rode that a bit and um and it's good to you know if you get him brought in so yeah i just did bits and bobs and slowly but surely you know then did uh did a like a one episode couple of scenes in peeky blinders as a Liverpool policeman uh nice so yeah and then it just builds and builds and builds but you're doing a lot of you know a lot of hustling a lot of emailing directors going to events uh working three four jobs at the same time whilst waiting for the auditions and then calling your agent and going oh i wasn't a scene for that why wasn't a scene for that and even now like i've just started uh when i was watching the interview with you in sam whore and i've just started watching the english game and started watching i was like oh where was my audition for that so uh you know you're classic isn't it even if you're uh you know you you know years into the game yeah now and i wish back like you just said spoke to sam whore spoke to anzu gawet as well um another evertonian actor and he was saying very similar to you it's looking at arm for stuff and and it is it's very difficult to to get stuff but i've had a lot you were in war of the world of course which was filmed up in Liverpool as well on BBC one that was before christmas so that must have been good as well being back up north and back here and doing a bit of filming here yeah it's always great to come back up and the amazing thing about the war of the world was it was they filmed the scenes i was in in in an old uh hangar in camilleads in like a big old shipping container that they converted into a studio and my uncle my dad and my granddad all worked for camilleads so it was like and i was telling everyone on and they just they were just like oh i was like oh this is camillead this is where my family you know and my uncle was here but you know and they were like all right yeah sounds yeah save our winner but yes yeah i got a big kick out of it filming up there and it was uh it's also a bit weird as well because they you know i live in london i audition down here and then they send you all and then i went all the way up to drop my accent and play like a real posh southerner that was uh that was fun as well madness a sy'n gyfer in lachimant fresh meat parents is in things like that as well so you have i mean well like i and i know is it the viny jones film coming off this year i am vengeance you didn't know is that right yeah um it's called i am vengeance retaliation it's got viny jones and xwwe wrestler stew bennett um he's a preffin north end fan but he loves he does know he was like oh i do love that i've always loved everton since the moe's era so we had a bit of football banser on that but yeah that i don't know when it's coming out it's coming out at some point later this year and then i just did a um i filmed a part in a new show it's called antonie it's a drama based on that lad antonie walker um so it's quite a serious that that'll be coming out later this year um right so yeah yeah it's um so even though it's paused for now i've got a couple of things coming out so it's just about looking for what what the next thing is as well you need a death in paradise spoke to sam about this the other week mate 10 days in guard the loop that's i mean it sounds all right to me i love that as well so that's a good one to get in mate or admit some of matters with hands we was in as well they're all right as well exactly exactly well um did you ever hear the story of uh michael cain with uh joe's four and uh he always gets loads of stick for me michael cain gets loads of stick for being in joe's four um i think it's joe's four yeah because obviously it's like a crap sequel and um and apparently somebody said to michael what why the hell did you take that part but he goes they gave me the script i flipped it open to page one and it said external Bahamas and i was like yep i'm gone yeah well that's what sam was saying you know sam or was saying he was in you know death in paradise for about five minutes it's a like dead on the floor all day but he got 10 days in guard the loop out of it so not you know not a bad one not a bad one um so what what's the i mean i'm looking through 32 creditors an actor seven writing credits five creditors a producer one is a director so you've done you've done the full the full spectrum already within your industry haven't you there's acting the one now acting the one acting's always the one um i'm just i'm just actually uh directed a short film uh it's in post production now it's called screw job it's about a professional wrestler um kind of like a rocky kind of story um so i've tried my hand of directing there and i do like it um but it did make me realise that it's acting is number one acting is always the thing but sometimes it's like you know you've got to try try different things and also occupy yourself as well and i like to you know you you don't just want to be a passenger in your field you don't just want to be receiving stuff and doing what stories other people say are good because sometimes you'll be like i'm going to minute why aren't we telling this story why aren't we telling this story um so that's that's where that comes from sometimes you've got to and actually i uh sent a message to rob the director of howards way um because i wrote a little i wrote a little short film about Dixie Dean um as one example of like i don't know you and Sam were talking about it as well but there's like you know i want to get in all my everton propaganda and shape you know shape the industry and put that out there as well um you know looking at and i don't know about you but when i saw creed and like Tony Bell you in that i was just like oh like this is always it was so like it was such a big thing to like be in the cinema watching one of my favorite franchises but you know In Goodison Park with the blue colours and you know Sylvester Stallone movie all of that kind of like i want to see more of that so anything i can do you know to shape that so that's where the writing and also it's a good way to earn extra money as well uh you know when you get a good writing job it's it's good money you're just pitched for a writing job for a superhero film um like a not not like a marvel or a dc but it's a different type but um you know if you get one of those big jobs it can be big money so it can keep you keep it going between the acting stuff fantastic it it it is great see and obviously yourself Sam Ho and Andrew Gower have all mentioned Dixie doing a Dixie so the three are going to have to get together and create this this film for Netflix or something because it's uh it's definitely a story that's that's where telling it's incredible no one will ever do the kind of stuff he did but his life as well his life was mad you know he had a motorcycle accident and never nearly played football again and come back to be the greatest centre forward ever so i think if it was tied in a little bit like the english game in that kind of thing but with with the football i think it'd be i think it'd be really interesting an incredible story and surely there's a there's got to be one about Howard Kendall maybe you can get Rob maybe you and Rob can work on something for the Howard Kendall yeah there's no reason why Howard's way couldn't be uh like a film like what was that the damned united that kind of thing where there's no reason why not that it's obviously a completely different story but there's no reason why that can't be it and and you know what else like because i i get i get pretty angry sometimes being down in London in terms of i remember wrote an article like an article for a website a while ago i can't remember what it was but um you know about how you wouldn't believe how especially in London how people don't know how illustrious Everton's history is it's like people people literally think that we're like we're like a west hammer and new castle in terms of what we've won like and i was mentioned to a guy the other day i'm mate of mine who knows football like really well he's got a great knowledge and i told him about Howard's way and i told and then he would tell about the 80s and what happened with Heisel and all this and he was like he was he was like what he was like i didn't you wouldn't and then he and then he as he was speaking to me he was googling it and he was like bloody hell you got nine league titles and five FA cups and all this so i think anything we can do but that's a great idea that Howard's way thing um for sure maybe you should have a chat to Sam about it um but also the Dixie thing definitely and i've done some research on on some like old Dixie interviews and one thing i love about when you read about what he used to say it's not a lot of stuff but i think he actually hit on Everton spirit way back then because there's a there's an interview where he said something on the lines of he said something like you know people are talking about the beautiful game and Barcelona and you know passing it around beautifully and all this and he said something like he said that's not the beautiful game the beautiful game is getting the ball in the net as directly as possible fast pace get it in the net and i was like well that's that's Everton isn't it that's what we love yeah that's what it's like it's that blend of like no get it in the get it in the net in a faster fishing way that's beautiful football um so i think even even he had maybe there's something i don't know something that's seeked in from from there i don't know well that's it's that's the psyche that's our DNA as they like to call it well he's he's felt that in the 30s late 20s 30s so it's been it's been around for exactly so it's like 100 years or that so maybe maybe there is something Rob's a good mate of mine Rob's slowman so i'll definitely tell him to have a little chat with you and see what we can come up with um and also speaking to speaking to Chris Mason who's another Evertonian actor who's living in LA at the moment but he's another one he had a film out of a while ago he had his Everton kit on in that just a little getting up out of bed with it this year so it's great that all you all you uh thespians are getting Everton into a Everton into every every film and every show that you do it's it's fantastic just just on to just on to the Everton things Sam what was what's like your earliest memory of Everton you know how did you become an Evertonian and the earliest one of my early memories was i remember getting the um i don't know i don't know what to refer to it as but the i remember getting the the big n-e-c kit as i call it this was my first kit the one where the n-e-c was the big letters for the first time with the with the outrageously detailed goodness and park in the uh like sown into the into the kit um i remember me and my cousin Mark we both had matching shirts of those with our with our names on the back i remember getting that for my birthday um so that was my first kit and then a part like whenever anyone says oh so how did you end up i can't remember making a decision you know what i mean it was just like uh yeah like because my my grandad on my mum's side is a big Evertonian and he actually had he got i don't know how it worked then but he actually was offered um to like join the equivalent of the academy back in his day his name was John Armstrong um but he had to get three buses to get to the training because he lived on the world and his dad at the time said there's no money in football so i'm not gonna i'm not giving you a bloody list if you want to go to that training you can make your own way so it was just he just every time he went he was late and he couldn't he couldn't make it work with whatever else he was doing um and then so on on on um on my mum's side yeah my grandfather was an Evertonian and then on the dad's side his dad was an Evertonian he was an Evertonian um and my dad also my dad died two years ago but they did a great thing uh a little mention in the program for him when he died because he had he had trials for Everton as well um so it's in your family go on what it's in your family then isn't it the same it's just it's just there and i actually remember i remember when i was a little kid and and i actually remember only really knowing like that there was Everton and Liverpool but that was there was a blue team and a red team and that was that was it and then um yeah and my cousin my cousin's family um who i used to have a season ticket with um my cousin and my uncle and they're both from Fazzacoli um so we used to they still go um but i used to have a season ticket with them um so yeah it's just been you know as i'm sure most of well the majority of Evertonians there's no decision you just are and then there you go born born a blue oh my first game my first game was my grandad took me and my cousin to i must have been maybe 92 or 91 or 92 and it was against Arsenal and uh we drew one all and i remember being devastated i was like what what oh that's crap one all and then my memory was walking with i remember walking with my grandad and loads of people asked him oh what was the score and he was like oh one one and everyone was like oh right and i was like what not happy when happy with the results no no no you were uh though you were heroes then Everton heroes growing up your favourite players um i mean it's like the i suppose the when i was really young obviously Duncan Ferguson was a big one um i loved i loved David Unsworth i loved it okay uh yeah and also i think because when i was playing for my team uh one of the other lads always said i was like David Unsworth because of my tackling and i just used to like like go in like really hard and i just loved that that rhino like uh like thing that he had where he just then he just had so much passion about him um and he scored some and obviously the pens just i just loved that he was just really oh just brilliant at pens um was it but yeah and then who else uh i loved um i loved Graverson loved Tommy Graverson i loved his distinctive run something about the way you know every time he got the ball he was like he ran like no other player yeah he was strange strange run but good yeah and then who who else um i loved this and then there's other players where like i think the player that i love like in hindsight so much more now is Cahill yeah yeah i think he like i didn't appreciate like i loved him when he was with us but i didn't appreciate just how how awesome he was um he almost made it look easy his ability to just be in the right place at the right time and um and i think we he summed up the Everton spirit and i think we we always need to have players like that and that's as long as we've got players like that going forward with with with some flash players as well then you know that's what that's what's exciting what have you made of um Carlo Anciolotti was surprised Everton were able to get him and are you excited for the future with him it's easy for me to say this but i when we got going back which i'll bring it to Anciolotti when when we got Martinez in i was like why are we getting in a manager who's been relegated and and i obviously did sit in hindsight but i was like why are we getting what and why are we getting why are we going for him and then and then obviously first season i was like all right he's doing all right um but then obviously he went downhill and then ever since Martinez and my my my theory has always been and i've always said it to you know to my mates and my cousin whenever we're ever talking about it is why don't we get a winner i mean like i've had that for the up and coming um young promising you know whatever whatever so when we got Anciolotti and i was over the moon and i was like we should have got we we we've needed to get someone like this for years because i think as well it's a statement it'll attract players obviously but just just getting someone who's a winner and i think when where Everton are and obviously i'm of a generation that has only really got a 95 FA Cup to enjoy you've got a whole generation or maybe two generations that don't know an Everton that regularly wins stuff so i think i think that's why it's imperative that we've got a man at the helm to whom winning is not a big deal like oh yeah champions league yeah i remember when we won them yeah so you know that i mean even said something like that after a match oh yeah i remember yeah we lost i remember losing the lead once in the champions league or whatever he said but then we won it the next year it was so i think um i was made up from the get-go and i was loving it because i remember before there was that weird switch where um there was rumors of Arsenal getting Anciolotti and i was getting our tether and even though i love our tether i was like nah we need to be getting Anciolotti and i really thought Arsenal were going to get Anciolotti so when that flipped i was like i think we've we've done the better business there so i think like i don't think it's going to happen overnight but i think i think there's it makes me a lot calmer about the future like and i think there is a more of a calm around the fan community i think just because we've got to trust him because he does know what he's doing he's got the track record to prove it so i think we kind of got to go all right let's see let's see what he does and i think i think it is going to be a challenge for him um but he seems to genuinely want to bring us back to where we should be yeah everything you've said i was the same with my partners couldn't understand why we were getting someone who'd been relegated and didn't know how to defend and at the end of the first year i was thinking oh maybe i've just got this right but yeah but you've got it we've got someone in is used to winning and that's a massive thing um and hopefully when this you know when we we can retain to playing football and and moving forward hopefully he'll get us back to where we feel we belong and that brings me on nicely to my final final question for you really you mentioned it before but Howard's way film because it's that should be the standard in my opinion of where we hold Everton up to so how enjoyable was that theatre watch because obviously you were uh you weren't born at the time so did you enjoy watching that film and and seeing Everton's history played out on the on the screen uh the funny thing is my cousin who i mentioned before he's got the season ticket um Mark he he got me Howard's way for Christmas on DVD and i brought it back down to London with me and i put it on my shell and it took about three months for me to bring up the courage to watch it because just i was staring at it and i was like i don't know if i can take watching us win stuff because it's gonna it's gonna employ me um and and and and lo and behold i started playing it um and within within second i was feeling shivers and emotions because i was like oh i've obviously heard stories about it watched matches from the era and you know heard interviews and with the players at the time and stories from a granddad about you know when we went it wasn't if we're gonna win it's by how much we're gonna win um so i yeah i was still getting quite emotional from the get go and then once i got into it um yeah it was it was obviously glorious as well to like experience it and like whoa just go through chronologically how it went down um and all the little nip like uh details about you know how when we sold Alan ball and how you know loads of people including uh you know David saying oh you've made a mistake you we're not gonna win the league or whatever for that was my that was my lad that was my little boy oh yeah was it yeah yeah one is running to the phone box uh act and debut so there you go oh well there you go um yeah so it was um it was it was an amazing story and just um all the players and the personalities of the players and the team spirit and all of that and um i think i think that and that era again it defines it defines Evertonians character it seems to the generations because not only have you got the memory of the winning and being on top but then it is that you know people talk about the bitterness as well and you know it's it's a thing but um i remember i heard someone um uh is that is a random reference but i'm a big wrestling fan and uh c m punk who is the wrestler who left wwe and very like they hated each other's you know part in ways and everyone was saying to c m punk oh you're bitter you're so bitter about leaving and not being on top and all this and then he did this tell all interview and the first thing he said was he said first of all i just want to say it's okay to be bitter it's like it's okay to be bitter when there's been injustice which i kind of like um so you know i think there is a reason for why we have that like feeling that we are better than where we are now and also and also that inner anger that inner fury almost which i think you know it spills into you know the way that we have that passion and aggression and how we respond to those kind of you know when dung took over and it was like yeah we've got that fire in our belly because we are angry we are angry still um so basically to bring it back to howard's weight it's also a tragedy in the sense that like every time you relive that story you're like oh how did that happen and hardly anyone seems to speak about it or know about it and you know it's never spoken about it's never referred to even when you know that whole city potential ban i don't know whether it's going to happen or it wasn't going to happen i mean linica did a a crying emoji like referring to um you know when he played for everton but aside from that i didn't see any mainstream media going oh well isn't this interesting because in the 80s they did this remember when not there was nothing so no howard's weight is an important film and i think it's a great like i want to see it on you know i'll flick on netflix and on the recommend it says sundown until i die at the moment and i'm like well howard's weight should be in front of that um so yeah it was an emotional thing but it also gave me a i really enjoyed it as well and it was really uplifting to see those players and just hear those players talk about it now um it gets it into the gets it into the blood stream and gets me fired up whenever the the football resumes and i am positive about the future i think i think we can do it and i think we we kind of have to do it because it's been far too long it's like we've got to get on with it now it's you know just got to get it done and we've done it we've just got to win something that's we've got to break the deadlock and get the that doesn't matter what it is finish finish 16th and win the league cup and then we're off to the faces you know what i mean i really do think that i think it's breaking the deadlock that's all it's going to take yeah you're right it's it's been far too long on that that film the team that slipped through the cracks almost it's good that it's back out there and um i know that skyd documentary i've picked it up now so hopefully netflix will in the future and yeah so more people hopefully fingers crossed more people will see it and not evertonians i'm talking about other people because i've watched clough and and forest documentaries and things and go actually yet ever not a massive club fourth most successful english club which gets shoved under the carpet so it's important we keep banging the drum and important you keep banging the drum as an actor in that industry keep telling keep telling this story well no i'll do i'll do um obviously like trying to squeeze it whenever i can it was funny actually because i am i remember there was when i was doing little crackers with john bishop and i was playing as brother eddie bishop and this other lad uh uh was playing him but in the 70s when they were younger and obviously they were he's a red isn't he and we had this one scene where we were going door to door and doing um penny for the guy i think it was and um and and john was threatening through the hole because uh myself and uh josh he was playing the young lad we were both evertonians and so john was like threatening us through the whole shoot oh when we're doing that scene i'm getting you a Liverpool shirt and we were like you're not no way it's not in the and then um but we did so basically the the compromise was we he gave us like red and white scarves but it was like there was no Liverpool branding on it so we were like who but um but yeah loads of my friends have threatened me they're like uh yeah but you you know you're gonna you know you're gonna get off at the park with having to wear a Liverpool shirt and i was like oh no um so hopefully uh yeah we can uh all uh that's what it is in there it's about the community um you know doing what we can and i think all the other things that all the extra things like being in the in the presence in the media and in films and in tv like that film creed i think probably did more for the Everton brand and most things that the club have done in the past 20 years just just because people to Sylvester Stallone movie people will see it um and i've always thought about him as well like maybe he'd be interested in you know helping get some of these you know a Howard's Way drama or a Dixie Dean film getting made going to put it on you then Sam to show that that's your that's one of your tasks one of your tasks when we're on lockdown put the feelers out while you're on lockdown listen thanks for taking thanks for taking time out your day to uh to talk so it's been lovely to chat to you and uh hopefully we'll share in uh on our screens more and more and with some Everton branding on will be lovely of course yeah well thanks for having me on and um i'm a regular watcher subscriber and support of toffee tv i think it's uh you guys have probably done just as much um as creed you know in terms of the fan base and it's it's good it's a good it's always my place to go to not only when i'm feeling angry after a game but also i think it's also the place to go as well for like thinking right how you know how can we move forward and the people you're getting on the thing you're building you guys are building the the the future community that we're going to you know win stuff with with this club well listen thanks very much for your saying so um well like i say pleasure to have your on i will definitely definitely have your on again be lovely if you get an act on job up here come in and see us in the studio as well that would be nice it'd be nice to uh to have a sit down in the studio with you look after yourself good luck with everything else you've got going on and uh stay safe most importantly cheers by the youtube say hi to ped for me will do cheers sam take care mate so a big thanks there to sam benzymen for joining us at Chattabarrish Korea and of 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