 All right, John, let's talk 15s. Let's start with Safari Because Safari 15 just came out for the Mac this week And I think this was a really smart move of Apple to get this, you know, very commonly used tool updated ahead of people getting Mac OS Monterey, right? There's gonna be other changes with Monterey Let's let's let's do let's shift the time shift the Safari one so that you know People can get used to this and and sort it out before jumping into Monterey proper Of course, you don't have to update to Safari 15 You can you can stay on 14 at least for a little while, but I took my main Mac I have not taken the Mac here in this studio up to 15 yet because I always kind of wait for the studio Mac a little bit anyway and Especially when we rely on it for you know things like doing the show I I you know, there's the there's an obvious change to the way tabs are handled And if you are someone that has lots of tabs open all the time This is going to be jarring Apple I would say even more so than with iOS Safari on the Mac Really changes because on iOS on iPad OS you can see your tabs out there But on iPhone you're really only looking at one tab at a time So you might have you know hundreds of them open in the background, but they are in the background Right, you know and in and actually with iOS 15 they get a little more foregrounded But still you're only seeing one at a time on the Mac You know you are seeing all of your tabs or most of them many of them open all the time and this changes things Just the way tabs are represented in the bar The standard view is that things are separate, right? I think if we go so I brought my laptop up so that I could have Safari here But if you go to Safari preferences and go to general Sorry tabs Safari preferences tabs not general and you have Compact or separate and what they're what that defines is whether or not the tabs and the URL bar are in the same line Vertically or into separate lines vertically so on a laptop where you have even less vertical space than you might on you know Like a larger screen you might want to try compact to see how you like having things really packed in but it does get really packed in and I'm not sure I can live with that even on my 13 inch laptop like I might have to give up the extra whatever You know 40 pixels at the top or whatever it's out to be like I mean it's a lot That's you know, that's what maybe One eighth of the one fifth of the screen maybe or so like I don't know we can I can do the math I'll do the math so that we we know how much of the screen it's taking up but still So it's 876 pixels top to bottom and that little bar is 36 pixels so yeah, right, you know, that's about 4% of the screen so there you go Uh, I That said I am I am finding it fairly easy to migrate my Thinking and and muscle memory over to Safari 15 on the Mac But I don't keep hundreds of tabs open. I might keep a dozen tabs open at any point in time How is how has this been going for you John? um No difference really I'm like, oh, okay visually. It's a little different sure And yeah, they do some color matching with the page that you're on Which I kind of notice. Yeah, other than that, you know I hit the same keys and the same thing happens visually. So yeah, okay with it. Yeah. Yeah, I Right it functionally. It's the same now. There are tab groups. So if you are someone who uses tabs in sort of functional ways as opposed to just like letting it be the dump zone Tab groups can be I can see where that would be a very useful thing And I might you know, I might come back in a month and and be like, oh my gosh I can't believe I was never using tab groups before you need to hear about this and then I'll tell you about For me that it it has never been a thing Using things that way so I need to get into a workflow where perhaps it is and you know So we'll see have you messed with tab groups at all John? They do sync across device. Oh, okay