 Hey everybody, tonight we're debating whether or not they are making men more effeminate and we are starting right now with Hague's opening statement. Thanks so much for being with us Hague. The floor is all yours. Well thank you very much James and thank you Stardust for joining me. Happy New Year to you guys and shout out to the chat. Indeed they are making men more effeminate both by accident. Who could have predicted that? On purpose and by they I mean all of Satan's children which most of us are right and specifically and especially leading the way and pushing this effeminate feminization of males. Are the universities you know academia and the well far be it from me to mention the mainstream media but also the government the government is for this and it seems self-serving on both their parts and it's blind leading the blind. I think human beings trend toward evil we're not at heart basically good. We're at heart basically evil and we've seemed to have gotten worse over the last hundred years and last three years even honestly back in the garden the serpent lied to Eve you know the first woman the woman and tempted her with the fruit of the tree of knowledge of good and evil and she listened to the serpent and then went over to her husband and her husband listened to her and then he listened to the woman and followed her and became more like her and what was she tempted with with the knowledge of good and evil equality to become more equal equal with God by way of knowledge and that's what women and effeminate men are all about knowledge equality is fake these fake ideas rather than simplicity humility listening being quiet and having having wisdom now female minded liberals and communists about a hundred years ago maybe a hundred fifty years ago infiltrated our institutions in America the government and the academia and set up all of this propaganda about victimhood and kissing up to the POC's and the women and the LGBTQ stuff and push that equality stuff we have this communist propaganda of people's history of the United States of America pushed by a very un-christian unmanly person well he's he's gone now rest in peace Howard's in that cast blacks as victims and slavery as a sin slavery was never called a sin in the Bible so these people are very un-christian and lying about Indians being genocided please and if and effeminate minds swallowed it up the ways of the world suddenly became evil when it was done by white men today and at an exponential rate we see the LGBTQ madness off the charts and forced down people's throats they're forced to accept it to celebrate it if they don't kiss up to that then they're considered haters and stuff like that when reality the haters are the ones who are pushing it and yeah some people hate in response to that they push false they push emotions they push intellect and males fall into wanting in on that victimhood either by turning into LGBT people and turning into victims or by casting themselves as victims because in many ways whites and men and Christians are under attack and so they feel like they're victims too and that is a very effeminate trait so it's infecting both conservatives so-called conservatives and liberals and it's pushed and promoted by the government and the universities as JLP says Jesse Lee Peterson any man with anger is a woman and they're promoting now a religion of anger he says and he's right about that emotions and we used to have a religion of logic of Christianity of real love where we didn't gossip about one another we had the freedom of speech we disagreed and we were not offended so easily now we have rhino republicans policing the language of men like congressman Steve King and kicking him out of kicking him out of the government or his own party kicking him out of the government and they're supposed to be republicans and supposed to not hate white people but they hate white people they call them a white supremacist and we have universities kicking out young men like Jaden McNeil for making a relatively funny joke about the late great George Floyd and that is an example of men being punished for being too manly so they do it by rewards by punishment by lies propaganda rationalizing evil they are making men more effeminate and it's a shame thank you very much for that opening hey and with that want to say as well before we kick it over to start us for her opening if it's your first time here at modern day debate folks I'm your host James Coons and modern day debate is a neutral platform for debates and discussions on science religion and politics we hope you feel welcome no matter what walk of life you're from and if you haven't yet hit that subscribe button as we have many more debates coming up for example intelligent design this Thursday is going to be the topic it's going to be between Tom jump and Howard George syrup you don't want to miss it so hit that subscribe button with that thanks very much start us glad to have you back the floor is all yours thank you so my first questions regarding this are who is the day that are making men more effeminate and what is your definition of effeminate what's seen as effeminate has changed over time men used to wear wigs and high heels and those were seen as very masculine high class things nowadays men don't wear high heels that much and don't wear wigs all that much now it's women who wear wigs and high heels and it's seen as feminine woman's fashion has changed if anything woman have become more masculinized in a sense because it's now acceptable for us to wear unisex and men's clothing so I don't believe that men are being feminized at least in that sense I think just that woman are allowed to wear unisex clothes and do things that typically were reserved only for men if victimhood is a type of femininity are you not being feminine when you claim that men are being victimized and turn into a feminine woman you also claim that men are being are made victims in college campuses because they get kicked out of the campus for making a joke about George Floyd is that not victimhood that seems pretty effeminate to me if that if that's the case so these are my questions we'll kick it right into the open dialogue but want to say just a couple of quick things if you haven't have a question folks feel free to tag me at the live chat here with at modern a debate we'll have a short Q&A at the end of the open discussion which is about to start and if you happen to have a question that you're burning to have answered super chats go to the top of the list so we read those first with that thank you very much stardust and hate the floor is all yours for open dialogue well thank you very much I appreciate the questions stardust when you ask who's they as I said it's most of us it's not a conspiracy it's a culture is the children of the devil the people who are following after the serpent out following after the woman and what is effeminate yes victimhood is effeminate effeminate effeminate in the sense well effeminate isn't has almost zero positive connotations is as opposed to feminine there's a right way for a woman to be a woman and it's not fitting for a man to be like a woman in the sense of you know you cut a woman slack for being emotional but a man should that should not be tolerated at all but you should be leading women men should be leading women out of out of their emotions and into more logic men's women should be becoming more like men rather than men be becoming more like women as an emotional and an intellectual too intellectual is the same I say as emotional because you can rationalize you get into knowledge you get puffed up on on pride by you I'm saying anybody who gets into knowledge and start starts pretending like it doesn't matter that that men are becoming more like women for example so hopefully that explains more of what's effeminate women are becoming more so called masculine eyes but it's a false imitation of men when I say women should become more like men I don't mean they should be going out there pretending that they like they should be working all the time and being leaders of different things and dressing up in pants suits and all that stuff and I mean women should become quiet quiet and humble like like men are quiet and humble before God women should be quiet and listen rather than worrying their pretty little heads about politics and public health which has been very destructive to our society with them worrying and feeling having fear and having their fears and worries and emotions catered to and pandered to and falsely propped up by weak effeminate males and you are right no men no whites no Christians should ever fall into victimhood although many times we do wrongdoing and injustices do happen but we never are angry about it we we as as men should never be angry about it never upset about it honestly who cares if you get kicked out of college you don't want to be in college anyway nowadays I want to give you a chance to wrap up and then I want to kick it or start us since this open conversation. Jayden McNeil for example isn't missing anything by being kicked out of college. America is missing something by losing a great man like Congressman Steve King primary by the Rhino party it's the Rhino party not the Republican party anymore so that's those are my best answers for now for your questions Stardust thank you. So women should be becoming like more like men is not about them wearing unisex clothing it's about the way that they behave and them being less emotional being more logical I would argue that there are a lot of men in society all over the globe in America that are very emotional much more emotional and within women and if anything I would say that a lot of these emotional men are creating a lot of problems men disproportionately commit 84% of all violent crimes I think that is a very clear sign that there is something that's not working with men and and men need to take a look at themselves we each we bring up the story in the bible of of Eve taking the apple and her husband listening to her but does is there no blame to be placed on her husband is there no blame on his side for him for for leaving her and letting her being you know by herself and be influenced by somebody else and thirdly I want to address your point about you know women shouldn't be focused on working and focused on politics wearing their heads about politics but there's never been a time in history where women haven't worked and the in fact for majority of history woman the woman who were able to not work were usually a small group of women and they were usually very privileged and oftentimes they had women who were working with them who would help them around the house woman make up something like 70% of agricultural labor worldwide and often times in other countries where you would find more traditional roles it's just that women are not count they're not counted for their own work in fact their work is counted as their husband's work on the field so the woman have always worked it's just been different different fields than men and nowadays we see more men and women meeting in the workplace because woman will strive for other things will strive to work in different things but it's never been the case that women didn't work women just worked in very specific areas I do want to before we go further on topics that arguably some might say are a little bit more peripheral to the topic at hand namely whether or not they the higher powers whether it be institutions like academia or the government are purposely making men weaker that's something what I'm kind of like shooting for if we're able to bring it back to that maybe what most you could say what the assertion hinges on most in terms of whether or not it's potentially believable is like what's the motive maybe that could be something that each of you guys discuss is what would be the motive for these institutions especially to weaken their own men from their own society especially if well I don't want a good question too far I want to give you guys a chance to go on that go ahead hey okay well just to address what what a start I said I don't want to go too far I gave her a chance to respond to you because it was what you brought up but I don't if you could make it as pithy as possible just because otherwise I have a feeling the topic of the debate is going to be forgotten again and you guys are going to go into a rabbit hole it sounds like she does agree with me that when that men are becoming more effeminate as in more emotional which we both agree that that is a bad thing they're becoming more violent which is a woman's they're becoming more so and more emotional for sure and that that's the woman's spirit in the man it's not good it's not fitting for a man to be that way women aren't counted for their work they're also not counted for their violence and yes Adam is to blame as well but the reason why this is happening I say I think we both agree that it is happening and it sounds like you think it's always been yes it has always been but it's I think that if anything if anything violence if anything crime and violence have gone down over the span of history but we can still look and see that men still would disproportionately commit a lot of violent acts right there they're they're provoked they're more capable of violence that's their job in many cases is to perpetrate violence but I don't believe that it has gone down it has gone up in the 50s it was not to the levels that it is today or even in the 70s so yeah it went down since the 90s but it hasn't gone down historically and it's been you know that now they're killing babies like crazy they're kissing up it's like a female-minded violence so this this a feminine this feminization of men is to make them docile make them more emotional more intellectual more able to buy into false rationalizations for what the government's doing make the academia is kind of worthless now in many ways and so they need to keep their jobs and need to feel important and that's what the government is doing to making themselves feel important causing problems and swooping in like they're gonna save us and effeminate men fall for such things and female-minded liberal women too fall for such things because they're more emotional whereas men tend to tend to not to vote in more government tend not to support academia you have men who are so-called educated disproportionately voting more like the women do Democrats and all that stuff that's a woman thinking liberalism is a female mindset and that's what the government and the academia want is for that female mindset so that they can be more important and have more influence you follow that mm-hmm okay so so you just brought up docile that that they're they're making men be more effeminate to make them more docile but you just said earlier that women should be more like men and they should be more humble and that they should be more quiet and I don't see how the ways that you think woman should be is not docile in itself so you want women to fall into line but men shouldn't and how are you going to raise a society when half the population is told to be more rebellious and the other half is told to be more docile there's a right and wrong way to be quiet and humble a man is not a man how loud and a man is not loud and complaining either just as a woman should not be and a man leads a woman out of that and so yeah one is meant to lead men are obviously meant to lead and women to follow and not to not to just follow what gets what pops into their mind if women are raising if if women are raising children and half those children are men and women are told to be docile and told to be followers how are you not how hard that is that not being passed down to those male children and then secondly I would say is how is feminization creating men who are more docile but still in your opinion creating men who are creating more violence I didn't catch your second question I have to answer your first question you said women are raising boys it should be men and women raising boys it's part of the problem and part of what the government has fed into and what the academia through affirmative action has been it fed into is the breakup of the family no fault divorce and all that stuff and sleeping around in all that stuff pornography these things all lead to feminization of men and and it and it it's out of order a boy who's raised by a woman who's not overbearing is going to be a lot more boyish and a lot more manly when he becomes a man naturally than one who's raised by a domineering female would not be that also woman young young girls who are raised by men also will if we're even if what you say is right we we raise all children with both a man and a woman right their father and their mother their father and their mother right would it not still be that that's you're still going to have some mixing you're still going to have some young girls who take on their father's traits and you still have some young boys who will take on their mother's traits and then secondly the second question I had is you're saying that all these men are being made to be effeminate to be more docile but I don't know how that how that even goes in line with what we were talking about violent crimes being committed oh they're docile towards evil they're not docile towards good and violent crime doesn't mean you're not docile docile that you fall into liberalism every like look at the black community voting 90 something percent for Barack Obama twice 96% for Barack Obama twice and yet the that's very docile and yet the violent crime in the black community partly because of the angry black single mothers raising the children without the fathers around and hating the fathers and the fake idea of racism being pushed on them so their anger is being lionized is a good thing those things you don't believe in racism there's no such thing as racism it's a fake it's a effeminate mindset to believe in racism because that's that false victim hood that's that accusing accusing white specifically of being something that everybody normally is for you know well I don't think I would say that that it's just white people who are racist I'd say that anybody can be racist when you think of racism though every when when normal people think of racism so-called normal people they're they're taught to believe in white racism slavery and Jim Crow and all that I think the average person would be able to acknowledge that anybody can be racist but it's irrelevant because it's not even a real thing because so even even the type of racism that is practiced by anybody regardless of skin color isn't a real thing right yeah it's an it's an irrelevant thing because who's it's irrelevant or it isn't real both because who the person who is accused of racism is usually accused of racism for doing saying something true or saying something that they have the right to say or doing something they have a right to do so they might have the right to so I'm not I'm not against people saying things that are true and I'm not against people you know having freedom of speech I think if somebody you know people should have the ability to to say what they want but there are consequences to that to those to those actions right so if you say if you call me a slur or something or something like that then I think that's fair to be like well hey that's a pretty racist action to do no that's that's woman thinking because consider this a man a man is not offended and a decent woman is not offended either by a slur by name calling by harsh criticism or or what have you that is a that is a female-minded thing that has been pushed on hard on are you are you not just making aren't you just making racist then the victims here then that seems pretty feminine to me no it's not it's not there's no such first they're not racist and I'm not calling them victims I'm saying that there's then it's not racist you're saying that that by by calling something saying a truth right when I say a truth that hey you saying that to me seems pretty racist that is a truth that I'm saying and you're saying that that truth is somehow victimizing the person I'm saying it to no that's not a first of all it's not a truth to say that saying saying a slur is is racist well if you call it if you call somebody a slur with vitriol and you use it towards them then yeah it can be racist no because usually people say a slur when they're angry at somebody like you said with vitriol or they slur to as a descriptive thing or they just say the slur and the black community has been fed the lie that they should be overreacting to say the n word for example okay if somebody says can I call them rude they've they've been given the the go ahead to kill a person in some cases for having supposedly allegedly said that an old man who was who was punched out and ultimately died and they made the excuse that he said the n word there was no evidence of that but then people on twitter were like oh that's fine because this lie has been this lie of victimhood victims become perpetrators right has been fed to the black community and they've become black on white perpetrators and black on other other races perpetrators and on themselves has been destructive because they have an effeminate mindset the anger of them the violence of a man is that of a woman it starts with the mother being violent towards the children and and spiritually evil as well that's that's more destructive even than the physical violence why does it start with the with the mother being violent towards the children when you said that it should be men and women raising children at least half the responsibility of that is on the man then secondly i would say is you are saying that i'm not somebody who who endorses the death of anybody regardless of what they do right i don't believe in that killing anybody for for for saying anything that absolutely not i think that's despicable but um but to to say let's you know saying something is if somebody calls you a slur you can the very least say that that's rude right is that victimizing them if you say that that's rude that hey you're being pretty out of line right now you're that is not acceptable i'm just saying that um it's sort of a woman thing to be policing somebody's language when when two men or a man and a woman are i thought being womanly is being docile but it's a it's a it's the wrong kind of womanhood to be policing somebody's language that's what i mean by woman maybe i should call it so it's only womanly if a woman does it it's only womanly if a woman does it it's feminine if i'm if a man tries to police somebody's if a man says you're being out of line please leave my store no that's different that's that's being that's being we need to i need to you're protecting your business that's something okay if a woman says you're being out of line please leave my store that's fine it's her business okay so as long as she says i'm just talking about leave my store yeah i mean if you're if it's her business and she's being cussed out by a customer that's a disagreement between a customer or she's being cut or she's seeing another customer being cussed out by a customer yeah whatever you want to you want to keep uh the place a pleasant place isn't that not policing you said policing but you said policing is effeminate and that's policing but they but you're coming up with a scenario in which it would be appropriate i'm talking about scenarios such as on the internet where uh people are are getting accused of hate speech and having their their stuff censored have been getting kicked off of different things i'm talking about in the government congressman steve king getting kicked out of uh of his um committee positions for having defended western civilization and being accused of being a call to of being supporting white supremacy oh the horror and uh jaden mcneil making a joke that's policing language you're acting like this doesn't happen or you're acting like right but you're acting like you're you're acting like there's no acceptable place for people yeah well no you're saying it's not acceptable for people to to say hey that's out of line and i won't accept that that's unacceptable um you either policing is wrong policing of language is wrong or it's or it's okay no you're being silly now you're being you're taking things to extremes you're policing language right now actually no no you're just you're not being a serious you're a serious debater right now no i i am if you're telling me that it's not okay for me to say that hey that's kind of racist and that's unacceptable i don't like it when you do that to me you're policing my language no that's silly because i think that's very effeminate of you no nobody's nobody's racist and me having a disagreement with you is not effeminate you're just okay so just making a mockery of logic i'm not making a mockery of logic you're not you're actually not even really trying to um to understand you're trying to if somebody pick apart things with uh cookie cookie examples no if some i'm using the same examples before if somebody but those are imaginary examples use a real example if somebody says something i give you real examples do me a favor come up with a real example or okay here's a real example here's a real example um i was driving and somebody rolled down the window and said go back to your country if i said hey that's rude and that's unacceptable uh to that person um is that is is that uh is that policing their language what's i don't know if it's policing their language or not what do you mean by that's not acceptable you just say it's unacceptable how is it not acceptable well you just say it's unacceptable it's unacceptable to me it's unacceptable to me it's unacceptable to my morals in the way that i treat people right but but but you're saying it's unacceptable okay so i can say it's unacceptable all right freedom of speech yeah freedom of speech and he has the freedom of speech to tell you to go back to your country whatever that means yeah but that's not racist okay then if you don't believe if you don't believe that that's racist that's fine but still i think we should have the right to say hey that behavior yes it happened we we should i remember because my little sister was in the car with me um i i um i still think i should have the right to say hey that's rude that's unacceptable i didn't say you don't have the right to say that well you're saying i'm policing their language if i say it i never said i never said that you're policing your language their language even if i call something racist it's policing it you assume that i would be policing well you said that calling it racist is policing it i'm saying it's i'm saying that it's like a woman to try to police a man's language and police other people's language especially i'm not policing anybody else's language i'm i'm not talking about you yeah i'm talking about i'm talking about uh in the in the government and in academia and all over the media you see it over and over and over and over again anytime a white says something true or a man says something true or something a little too manly a little too freely speak a little too freely a white says has too much freedom of speech they're called racist and they're fired or shut down or and this freedom this there is no freedom of consequences thing is a very un-american unmanly way of thinking illogical way of thinking it's very the consequence of somebody being the consequence it's just that your mic i hate to interrupt but your mic is uh just a it's pushing far into the red and so if you're able to just maybe create a little distance from your mic that way it's a little bit there you go and then i want to give you guys a chance to keep going with this stardust i know you're before i jumped in maybe within a few minutes we could talk about any sort of additional subtopics i'll poll the audience on what they would like to hear because i've got a few in mind but go ahead start us okay so you said that um that calling something racist is policing language no i didn't well you hadn't you had a problem with me saying that uh that saying that something is racist i didn't have a problem with you saying something's racist other than that it's not true okay but there is this there is this mindset that women have and female minded liberal males have of when children uh make fun of one another or quote-unquote racist to each other now children you shouldn't do that when you're traumatizing the children and stifling them and mothers do this to the kids don't talk back and they get all puffed up in their egos clamp stifling the children and and males do this as well and that's not it's not the right way to be yeah when i'm talking about i think you know what i mean by policing language it mean you we've seen case after case of it i've given you examples do you dispute those examples i don't dispute those examples uh but i was not bringing up those examples i was bringing up very specifically interactions interpersonal interactions you brought up those examples afterwards no i brought up those examples with my opening i think okay but anyway um they've stripped the average man of his independence as well as his his uh belief or his natural inclination to speak his mind and they've given women this false uh this false notion of independence through affirmative action and both in the universities and in the government um anti-discrimination laws a basic right is to discriminate and they've stripped that away from people welfare no fault divorce you talked about um men's responsibility to be their fathers to their children the women are driving them away and the government is helping them do it and the academia is helping them do it as well could it not be that men are not stepping up to the to stepping up to their responsibilities and therefore men women have to compensate for those men's deficiencies so it sounds like you're accusing me of you've accused me of at one point of not blaming adam for what for uh listening to eve or for not being the man over eve and it's but in reality it sounds like you don't want any blame for the woman and no there's some blame for the woman but i think that you you're putting all of the blame on women i think you're put i think you're putting your your it's very clear that you're you're making um this a very female problem by saying these are female minded men when i could just say that these are men not stepping up to their responsibilities and they are not filling their roles they are not they are not staying for their families and then as a result women have to step in and they have to take care of those families and uh and and you know what it's better to have at least one parent there instead of both gone well um you know the at one point the children used to go with the men not the women and the children were better off for that and the divorce was not a no fault divorce situation and men were stronger they didn't they weren't as easily driven off by the from the hell that comes out of the woman um it takes two to tango and both are to blame that's not like it's not as though the woman is a hero for being is there no hell that comes out of men yeah but that's that's when the men become more and more like the woman because it's through the woman the women men have a problem of worshiping women who worship the satan and so they're both by proxy really worshiping satan it's true but women are supposed to be not listening to satan they're supposed to be listening to the man who is supposed to be listening to god but right now it's opposite it's upside down women are disproportionately taking care of of their families and taking care of domestic duties and taking time off of work to take care of domestic duties and take care of family issues whereas men are disproportionately committing violent crimes 84 of them i would say that if anything that's an indicator to me that more satan is coming out of men no that's silly you just don't realize that those men are disproportionately raised by the women that satan is coming hell is coming through the women into the children who then grow up to be thugs and and criminals and they're blaming the woman who stayed and they're blaming the woman right who stayed to take care of them good for her for staying and and killing the children souls good for her souls yeah because do you think a person with a whole soul is going to be committing violence and all that stuff uh i mean again it's a very masculine trait to fight those children yeah it was a woman and guess who didn't raise them who didn't raise them who walked away the man's driven off by the woman you can't couldn't stand the woman i mean you know it's at least half the fall yeah no both are fully to blame for their part in it but you don't want to put you you recoil you're not used to hearing the woman being blamed for her part of it no i'm i'm used to hearing the woman being blamed women are blamed for everything they always blame the mother they always blame the mother for everything right when they look at when when people look at like criminal is that the government is that the government when society is a woman as a society as a whole whenever we look at a criminal the first person we look at after that criminal is the mother right uh we i think so i think we the first person we look at is the mother talk to you talk to logical men's so you're used to hearing it but you don't you're you're not used to academia and the government apparently because they kiss up to these women and and enable them to do even more damage to you look at the media media will first look at the mother no they don't work yeah they do no they don't there's like when you look at a criminal the first oh what did the mother do what did the mother do wrong do anything no they don't do that they say oh the man you man wasn't around therefore the kids magically got held from the man not being around they don't say that makes no sense they from the one from the mother the mother was the one who was around of course they're immediately going to blame the mother i don't know what they don't put any blame on a guy for not being there mainstream media you're watching but i have never seen a mainstream media say that travon's mother messed him up or or george floyd's mother or michael brown's mother messed him up it was good to the parents this one is interesting namely we have this poll folks if you're watching live you can vote on this poll in the live chat right now the most popular question that people want to have asked right now or discussed by both of you is how does the government directly feminize so i think they're saying even granting let's say that educational institutions were used to teach philosophies of victimization to men that would make them more effeminate or victim-minded i think they're saying but hey independent of the universities even you know conceding that for the sake of argument how does the government itself directly feminize men is it is joe biden knocking on doors and sharing a feminized philosophy what is it exactly well i would say for sure that excuse me the democrat party and the rhinos have made a point of enabling and kissing up to women single mothers subsidizing single mothers you know the the no fault divorce that the government put in i think that may have been reagan started it but those things have led to the destruction of boys and it led to boys becoming more like women in the black community and in in all communities they've promoted the lgbt iq thing sleepy joe lit up the white house just like his like his predecessor obama with rainbow so they've made it cool to be gay and all that stuff and transgender literally turning boys into wannabe women and of course the welfare thing enables the mothers to raise children without the fathers around and so they become all these strong independent women and then the children get destroyed in a feminine not in a good way i don't know if there's a good way to start us are you persuaded no i'm not i'm not persuaded i think that um i think that welfare uh is one of the things that we have in place that's supposed to be a safety net for when men are not stepping up to do their responsibilities and when they are not filling their responsibilities that they are supposed to be filling women unfortunately have to turn to somewhere else they have to find somebody else if the man steps out or if he's not if he's not living up to to his you know what he needs to be doing it's unfortunate but there it has to be somewhere right and um and it takes a village to raise uh raise a child right no it does not no it does not it takes a father and a mother how many people do be besides the father and the mother does that child interact with in the government giving the the welfare has enabled that and encouraged that destruction that you just talked about but putting all the blame on the man who are walking out and no blame on the mother for destroying no there's the blame on the mother too there's blame on the mother to the child and driving the the father away i think the father usually steps out it's driven away by the mother he doesn't just he doesn't just willy nilly step out he can't stand the mother it's not the child the man is leaving it's the it's the mother and i think that there are a lot of men who are afraid of responsibility it's just that you're pushing so far into the red again oh sorry my bad if you're able to yeah let me turn a little bit of distance yeah they've they've also pushed unions another anti-independence thing and um the rising costs you know minimum wage we should get rid of minimum wage and they've driven off manufacturing they've they've kneecapped men's ability to be men and independent because they want men and women dependent on the government and on you know um going to school pretending like that's this universally valuable thing such a shame such a shame in terms of other oh go ahead start us no that's okay what was your question the other topics that were in the chat that were most voted upon the second one in terms of most asked was is music such as in the music industry rap or whatever it might be country is it used to feminize men as well is the music industry in on this or i don't mean to be so so sarcastic hey are or maybe it's just coincidental like maybe it's the cool thing to feminize men is the music industry coincidentally independently doing it on their own through their music hey oh yeah satan is attacking on on all fronts um you know when i when this topic was pitched to me the they was specifically talking about the academia and the and broader scale of the government but absolutely the media the entertainment world the movies causing the lionizing these sulking uh quiet men and so-called men and definitely we've seen country music turn more and more um falling apart over a woman and becoming more and more egotistical like like rap music and rap music has been is all about ego and this fake idea of love and the lgbt propaganda has been pushed big time um by the establishment music types so for sure that has been huge in pushing um men to not be men anymore i want to give you a chance to respond stardust first i gotta mention hey if you're even even able to pull your mic just a little bit closer your your uh your volume is it's also really low it's okay but it's it's just lower than the average for sure hake but okay we'll give you a chance to respond stardust i disagree completely i think music has always been about uh a couple of things right music the topics that we sing about have always been either about love and falling apart over love or about political stuff you know being rebellious right and if anything hake has said during this debate that being strong being rebellious it can be a masculine trait right you don't like docile you don't like docile for a masculine trait so i i can't i i can't see seem to think like it's not like music is encouraging people to be docile certainly isn't yes it is it's not encouraging sexual sexual is docile when you sexualize a male when you sexualize a male you turn him when you push men into pornography and having sex like crazy they become weaker they become uh you know an athlete is not supposed to be having especially a male one is not supposed to be having sex before uh before he competes because it takes strength and energy out of the man so this is sexualizing them is making them docile and rebellion is not the opposite of docile it's the same thing because you're docile towards you're you're going right along with evil a man neither rebels nor complies he does what's right whereas uh rebellion is more of a female minded trait or a an angsty teenager minded trait i don't understand your your um your want to call every bad trait effeminate right could it not just be that we we say that instead of calling these female minded men couldn't we just call them men with like you know terrible morals and terrible behaviors and men who refuse to take responsibility why do we need to call them female minded is it manly to be angry yeah it can be very manly if men are committing 84 percent of violent crime yes that's not manly violent crime is not manly it's always been something that has been disproportionately committed by men but those aren't men doing that that's the woman spirit in the man disproportionately raised by females why do you think it's woman's spirit in the men it's because it comes from anger violent crime doesn't come from love violent crime comes from anger it can come it can come from anger it can come from a variety of different things i mean i don't think it comes ego yeah the ego of a woman i don't think ego greed wanting to be god i don't think ego greed selfishness or are feminine traits i think they're not bad traits they're not manly and they're not feminine they're they're bad i said effeminate so i don't think they're effeminate either i don't think they're effeminate either no i don't think so oh yeah have you ever seen how they how vindictive and mean the gays are when they when they get uh when people oppose them that's very it's only vindictive and mean when when the gays do it but no when women do it and when males when males who are so men are men backed by each other just as much as women in gay men not just as much not true they definitely do not just as much men are very competitive with each other but that's there's a right and wrong way to be competitive right and a lot of men do it the wrong way right so you agree with me that men are becoming i don't think it's effeminate it is it is definitely effeminate it's not it's not logical it is emotional right there are types of emotion that it we've deemed as a society is acceptable because men have those emotions and then we've deemed other types of emotions as oh that's a woman's thing uh and you know and like you know she's just being who's we and which emotions are you talking about that are acceptable for a man to have all of us i think um i think being um ambitious and being aggressive are things that are are acceptable for men meaning they're when they're young they build their careers and they can be aggressive too aggressive there's a right way to be aggressive of course i think i think being egotistical and being aggressive and being combative are all things that you find much more often in men than you do in a woman and and those are male traits those are masculine traits those are not masculine traits they're they're more commonly when something in the man goes awry and he becomes prideful like a woman thinking that he's thinking that he wants to be this great thing going astray from just being even if if a trait is more commonly a negative trait is more commonly occurring in men than it is occurring in women i would say that that's more likely to be a masculine trait okay and then when it but it's but i'm not saying feminine i'm saying a feminine meaning it's like it's an improper state for a man to be in and women you've seen women trying to trying to compete with men have you ever seen them trying to infiltrate the workforce and becoming leaders and all that stuff and that is that is a uh competitive spirit is an evil type of competitive spirit because it's no competition all the time men are much well but you're you're just just because you say men do it all the time men are supposed to be leading women trying to lead is trying to fill up men are supposed to be competing is what you're saying men are supposed to be competing and aggressive with each other when you just said that those are effeminate traits you know me you're not making sense you're not you know you just said i never you just said earlier you said that women competing with men where they don't belong is and and a male who is all caught up in competitions is also lost but you just said it was you said that it's proper for men to compete with each other and be aggressive with the i didn't say those i didn't say that okay then is then why why is it improper for for a woman to be competitive with men the way that men are competitive with men because she doesn't belong there okay but then you're you are you are justifying that it is okay for men to be competitive with each other in a in certain place in certain aspects sure you know you the best man for the job type of the thing this might be a good opportunity the other quick questions or i should say options from the pool were one do movies make men more effeminate i'm curious like examples like concrete examples like the movies like because you know there are also i mean like Hollywood as a whole like let me play devil's advocate for the audience from this poll if they said you know there's still a lot of king leonidus's and you know 300 and braveheart and gladiator these movies that are epic and masculine roles that are the leaders are they outbalanced by the the soy boy movies that i don't what are the soy boy movies what would be what would count as a soy boy movie the type of movie that would effeminate could be examples of movies i would say the ones that push this ideal of of quote unquote love being the ultimate is turning men into um or or tempting men to follow after the woman's idea of love that fake emotional love that doesn't last um where it's where it's oh you fall in love and that's really the ultimate in life and forget everything else forget morals and not committing crimes and things like that um i watched a movie last night uh it was a it was about this guy who robbed a bunch of banks and he got a wife along the way and a and a partner in crime along the way and the woman at first was disgusted by his robbing banks and then wanted to see the wanted to see it happen and then she supported him in it and then she's like okay now it has to stop and the man is just following after the woman doing what she says um and he's he suffers in the end for it and they get divorced and it's a it's a true story but it's also romanticizing uh this fake idea of a woman in a man's love which is turning men emotional and that led the way for this love is love type of a thing so i think even even something as normal seeming as a love story is uh causing men to be more effeminate more um listening to the woman's idea of emotional love rather than loving what's right first start us you look like you're dying to respond oh i you know i honestly i'm going to be real with you i don't watch too many movies so um i can't really say whether i think that movies are making men more effeminate or making them not um but i do know that for a while in the 90s we made fun of um feminine traits quite a bit and i wish that we hadn't um uh and we kind of made woman out to be dumb for having these feminine traits and i don't think that's really right i think you can be feminine and you can still be smart um but i guess what my question would be is uh because i don't really keep up with movies too much um uh what kind of movies do you think are good examples for men uh ache i don't know if there's i i don't know if i can come up with an example of a movie that's a good example for men um james coons mentioned a couple of examples that i enjoyed um i don't know if they are good examples for men though or not um there's a lot of i know i know more the bad examples like there's a lot of athlete movies where the guy is um is praised as getting becoming wanting to be the best at this or that sport and that takes boy boys it um on a ride into having this out of control ego to want to be the best at this or that and then they it becomes way too important to them whereas if they were guided by logical fathers they would not be um they would not be they would still have the ego because everybody does but they would not get taken so far out of um out away from their focus on what's right you got it and we have one last thing from the poll then we're going to jump in the q and a but i also want to quick do a little housekeeping type thing folks want to let you know right now tiktok at the rate that it's growing modern day debate has to expand on to tiktok as you can see at the bottom right of your screen right now we are striving to build a 1000 follower base on tiktok i know a lot of you guys don't like tiktok you think china is using it to spy on people believe me we'll get them don't worry we'll handle china but the idea here is this is going to help us expand big time so if you have a tiktok please do check out our tiktok i'll put that in the top of the live chat as we once we get a thousand followers on tiktok we can live stream our debates there and that's going to be huge so i'm really excited about that because that means we can put out content on tiktok on a regular basis as we are doing our debates anyway but also this last one they asked hey are the churches being used to feminize men and i think it's hard to tell based on the topic here i think that they would say because i my guess hate is that you would say that the politically left churches that are pushing for politically left type things my guess is you would of course say that because the political you've already castigated what's the word i'm looking for you've already indicted the the left but what about the churches that are more traditional the ones that are more politically right leaning or are even those used to feminize men i say yes honestly um they're you know it in the black churches a lot of the ones who are churchgoers are the women and so of course they cater to the women and i think even in white churches you know the among even christians you'll hear the the man say oh she's the boss and so there's this this catering to women that has happened in christian families and in christian churches where um love has been replaced love which is logical and not based on emotions at all has been replaced with niceness kind this this fake kindness and um and you've seen it infiltrate the so-called republican party the conservatives um we've been we should be about logic real love a solid moral foundation as christians as conservatives in the churches um but for decades increasingly the the women have become the leaders of the men even when the men think that they're leading it's a real shame it's it's a known rule i've heard it on um my fellow jlp network hosts um nickstream that every conservative institution including christians the church gets infiltrated by its enemies and becomes liberal, effeminate, satan-led and unfortunately the establishment churches including the so-called conservative churches in many ways are um becoming more effeminate juicy and we're gonna jump into the q and a but want to see before i do that start us did you have any thoughts on this would you defect the conservative churches as not being effeminizing well i don't i don't know that it's right to blame uh blame the women in these churches when clearly there's not enough men stepping up in these churches either right it's i blame them the the effeminate males or the female-minded uh liberal males a liberal has anger a conservative has no anger right a conservative has logic of liberalizing motions and intellect um i blame them the men who are participating in this so-called men or i don't know as much as i blame the women when women are the ones who when the women's are disproportionate the women are the ones who are again disproportionately showing up to church and partaking in church and all of that um i don't know that it's fair to call the men that the very few men who at least show up to church effeminate right and i don't i still disagree with your effeminate right i still disagree with your usage of effeminate effeminate effeminate is uh having characteristics and ways of behaving traditionally associated with women when aggressive and anger and these things are all uh uh adjectives that are used towards men more than they are used towards women have you ever heard it said that uh thugs you know like you know in the black community um are effeminate um because that is a that is a a common refrain a common statement that you'll hear among uh conservatives is that um you know the black violence and the uh black gangsters if you will are effeminate just because it said doesn't mean that it that doesn't just because a bunch of people say it doesn't make it right right but i'm just saying i'm not the only one saying this and you might look into this and consider how it may be true rather than try to again if more men if more men are being aggressive and more men are being uh violent and being uh more men are doing all of these negative traits i think that it's much more accurate to not call those things effeminate because they're clearly not feminine traits well women are every bit as violent if not more so than men they're just not as effective at it and they're you know that it's done behind closed doors to the children and to the men and they they get away with it more they're just not as good at it because they don't have the bodies for it but they're they're every bit as angry and violent nasty and aggressive is as the the males are especially and when you look at the black community that's how the children become that way in many cases you remember that there was a not to not to go on too long but there was this viral moment in the black lives matter insurrection under obama i think it was 2014 one of those insurrections where this kid this teenage boy maybe 12 uh was out riding and the big black mother comes comes along and starts smacking him on the head smacking him and it went viral and opera had her on i think and had boy on and then she was celebrated committing this violence in this anger on the boy who was acting out and that's not a proper way of disciplining a young man and that is why he is so out of control but this is celebrated because the woman is there trying to do her part and i understand she's trying but she's failing and this it should not be celebrated and that's causing that boy to become out of control like a like a uh like the not proper type of woman yeah i don't agree with people applauding violence right but again i would say that historically uh historically violence is something that has been perpetrated by men um men are the ones who go to war right yeah men are the ones who go to war men are the ones who start wars right that men in general the biggest acts of violence are from men and committed by men yeah evil is always it's not an effeminate it's not an effeminate trait i think it's just a wrong trait okay this might be an opportunity to go into the q and a want to say folks thanks so much for your questions we're gonna try to move through these fast so we can get through as many as humanly possible first atheist mando appreciate it says why are we all allowing oh gosh okay i'll read it because even the one's criticizing me i've got to give him a chance they say why are we don't worry i uh say why are we allowing nazi confederates a position at the table how could you call stardust that that's what i have to say you should feel ashamed of yourself they say they will take our freedom if we allow them to give them these platforms same with wemar spain italy it hasn't stopped fascism so unbelievable in terms of the people who say oh james how do you allow these people on you should feel shame to yourself for every complaint we get we always tell you the debate just got 10 minutes longer but the second thing is folks i've got to tell you and i've heard this on stardust stream before and they're not really accusing stardust of being a nazi but i've got to tell you there's a really good argument to be made that if people are going to someday i mean granted for the sake of argument let's say i grant that we actually host because it's true i don't i don't know if we are tonight i haven't seen nazi like stuff from hake because but i do recognize we've hold we've hosted people in the past that are probably i think it's fair to say legitimate neo nazis and you might say james how could you well the reason is if you watch this video and i'm not using an appeal to authority because i've made this argument on my own but the harvard psychologist steven pinker it's a video on our home page and he talks about when you don't let these debates happen a lot of times what happens is people are not exposed to those ideas or the rebuttals to them and so what happens is someday somebody walks down the street and they they run into a real nazi who gives these arguments and then they go oh wow i guess it's been true all along when they could have watched a modern day debate debate where we have had admittedly neo nazis and they would have heard that case be made already along with the rebuttal to that case so they see like okay so it's not as one-sided as that person that i meet on the street would like to make it seem like so there are good substantive reasons for why we do post controversial people this one coming in from thunderstorms says operant conditioning is well hey do you want i want to give you a chance to defend yourself because i'm guessing you would not identify as a nazi so i want to give you a chance to defend yourself because the question though directed at me nonetheless alludes to or implies you're a nazi right yeah he was seemed like he or she seems to think i was a nazi confederate i do cover up my uh beautiful southern flag for the sake of other people's channels and streams but i love the beautiful south and i think that we should um not be so quick to label the confederates as as these terrible racist people i think that that was part of the destruction of um america really and freedom um this communist cheered so-called civil war against the beautiful south um and honestly the the people who are a threat to freedoms and the freedoms are actually being taken away from the establishment who are very anti-nazi and anti uh white anti-christian anti-man anti-southern this one coming in from do you appreciate your question could i could i uh uh say one thing they might have been referring to you so we'll give you a chance to respond start us i just want to say that i may disagree with everything that that hake believes in but i do not think that hake is a nazi and i think that we need to um stop being scared even of even if right even if i was arguing with a nazi stop being scared stop it just stop we got to have these conversations that's it i happen to agree i just don't think that people are going to go if you force them underground i don't think that they're going to give up i think they conspire and you don't know what they're up to like i think it's good to be able to deal with them in the light where you know what they're doing but this one coming in from thunderstorm says operant conditioning is real and we are all baby albert in this skinner box ideologies at the end of the day you are your ethnicity and your behavior i don't know who that's for that went over my head a bit um i'll translate the psychology part so they're saying so like baby they talk about operant conditioning which is usually like you either reward or punish a behavior but then they talk about baby albert which is like classical conditioning where you just come to associate something like a noise with pain so i don't understand it myself exactly they say in this skinner box and then skinner boxes were boxes that the psychologist skinner would use to train pigeons using operant conditioning so this is a confusing one to me they say at the end of the day you are your ethnicity and your behavior i think that they're just trying to push that final point i'm not sure what that means either though yeah um it sounds like it's it's sympathetic to the racist perhaps i don't know the people who say oh you know um by nature blacks are this way and whites are this way and the other races fall into this because of all these different things um but i'm not sure um you've got it yeah no me neither and then this one from appreciate your question k max mcdonald was very eager to ask this said for both guests how do you see college students now being 60 percent women and only 40 percent men i think they mean why is this they say will this create resentment issues if this trend continues what will it lead to uh so i'll say that i think that um there is some there is some validity in saying that like uh oftentimes classroom environments uh people who can follow directions and who can kind of fall in the line and listen to the teacher and follow directions nicely uh are the ones who are going to thrive the most in those classroom environments and the way that women are socialized women are socialized to uh kind of fall into line follow you know be agreeable follow the rules all of that whereas men are not socialized as much and it is celebrated to you know be a little bit rambunctious and things like that so men as a result tend to not uh tend to not um a benefit not benefit tend to not thrive as much in these classrooms anymore as women do um and i think uh i think that will pose a problem i think that um you know clearly um clearly clearly something is happening where men are falling behind on uh you know in in classrooms and stuff like that so i don't know what the solution is but i do know that you know the way that we've socialized men and women differently is you know probably a huge part to play in that so i don't think that i don't know if it's socialization but for sure the schools have become more and more catered towards girls and towards women and towards oppressing the boys and and men you know they're diagnosing every other boy with adhd stuff and and giving him that medication stuff to make him docile um and as far as feeding resentment with all this and it's also affirmative action you know that's uh de facto and and it's de facto affirmative action in the hearts of the people who are running the schools the teachers the administrators and the people who are choosing these people um they're catering you know affirmative action was disproportionately benefits women even more than than the races um it will it feed resentment it will feed resentment i don't know if it will cause it but there's already there's already hatred between men and women boys and girls and human beings in general and that's this uh this ploy to sort of manipulate and bring more equality has only been destructive and brought discord and division and it's a shame you got it this one coming in from do appreciate your question thunder storm strikes we got that one brian w thanks so much this is so what what you are basically saying is that men should be able to be violent and bully others be racist etc james is working on a phd so does that make him effeminate working on a phd is not effeminate it's a both both decent men and indecent men have worked on many phd's and i didn't say that men should be violent and bullying i don't believe in this bullying thing i think it's an effeminate mindset to be on this anti bullying kick because you're not you're not pointing you're not diagnosing the problem correctly nor are you uh bringing the right solution to the problem it's a weakness of boys both the so called bullies and the weak boys who get bullied and the girls and all that and it's all part of that the female mindset of either being too compliant or too rebellious you got it rather than right this one coming in from do appreciate it most of these are directed toward you hey they say so this one for stardust i think they say would stardust say it's racist thanks gbo farms says would stardust say it's racist if i said different races women's bob milk tasted different if it's true i don't know if they meant bob or something different they said i think they mean boobs yeah thank you they say yeah i haven't tried indian is this a friend of yours i don't know what is their name gbo farms i saw in your live chat like two nights oh i think they're a new chatter they they've been relatively new in my chat so they seem to really like you they say i haven't tried indian bob milkyat though okay well that's strange to say and uh i don't know how to respond to that i just love putting you on this spot okay i don't mind it but i didn't make that up that was real this one from k max mcdonalds says instead of saying men were made to be soft would we say modern culture or parenting made our generation z children soft crying rooms safe spaces and trigger warnings being offended as a part of life and free speech that we need to get over yeah um some people blame the water some people blame the food you know they say there's this meme that says good men strong men create good times good times create weak men weak men create hard times and we're in the good times creating weak men phase right now where it's too easy we're too spoiled um and hopefully some of us can wake up out of it you got it this one coming in from do appreciate your question can't make out the word but appreciate it from the orange and yellow avatar says 60 years of women winning the majority of u.s custody cases simply because of sexism thankfully that is changing and the matriarchy is crumbling how do you like them apples stardust um so yeah there was uh there was at a time um uh you know women did in at a time uh were favored in custody cases and family court but i believe it was bostea actually who said that that's no longer the case if i'm recalling correctly he i remember seeing in one of his debates that the the data now shows that it's not necessarily true that women are favored in uh in in these family court cases anymore um and you know i think it should just i think the it should just be going to uh you know who is the most capable person right i think it's still pretty bad i don't but you said bostea boss i call him bostia but i think we're talking about the same guy um but i don't think that he's he may be right about that but i don't think he's right about that and you see these multiple cases where the mother or stepmother is taking the man's child boy and turning him into like a little trans girl um so i think it's still a big problem and i don't think he's correct on that but i don't know you got it this one coming in from do appreciate it the tribut one says for hake oldy but goody if god is all knowing does he know what it's like to take a stick let's see to experience pain we'll say also let's see they say they're asking about in the butt well probably you could put it in other words that they're asking it's kind of like the old ken god make a stone so big that he couldn't lift it there's like a billion variations if they also say do you does this person are you familiar with the tribut one um i feel like i may have seen him in your chat i don't know if i've seen him in my chat okay but he may know some memes that i that are related to me they say i hope you're well well thank you well in terms of okay so can god experience pain we'll put it that way uh i don't know i mean i know that god regretted making man at one point or said something something to that effect moses might have written it about the noa times um but not he's not emotional like us you guys thoughts are not our thoughts nor is so-called emotions like ours this one from brian w says hey what you are basically arguing for is for white men to be able to say or do anything they like including being violent and bullying without consequences james is working on a ph do we read that one yeah he read that he read that i'm great that one like i could have sworn they brought that up twice but nonetheless sorry about that brian w says follow up if you did not have intellectuals aka effeminate people do you think that you would have the technology that you are currently using yes i think that you would because uh young people are are naturally as stardust said um ambitious and competitive and stuff and then we grow out of that so i think we would and she may made the point that boys and will become sometimes more like their mothers and and girls more like their fathers in some times the world has never been perfect but i feel that it has gotten worse and encouraged to be worse over the last hundred years uh when i say intellectuals i don't mean intelligent people intelligent people uh neither accept nor reject an idea too quickly but intellectuals are quick to reject ideas and quick to too quick to accept the wrong ideas you got it this one coming in from do appreciate it another person with the orange and yellow avatar that i can't read their name because i don't understand the language so taking all us demographics into account the highest rate of domestic violence is in lesbian households isn't that interesting stardust it is interesting is that true stardust do you grant it it is true it is true yeah um it is true i'm not sure what why the reason is for that but um it is an interesting and it's a true fact i have a feeling hey can i say why he thinks so well it's so it is very interesting to me too um with neither one being from a logical base there is only the ability to for it to go out of control i think and so they're both from they're you know they're both angry and violent perhaps they don't successfully kill one another as as frequently as the males do but um yeah and they're and they are lesbians commonly try to act manish and it's a false imitation of a man and they think it is manly to be violent too so that's an olive branch for stardust but it's also one for me juicy and this one coming in from mango tango says hey as a man i enjoy the emotional roller coaster i know how i'm behaving is wrong but it's fulfilling i like being best and others worshiping me i want to be loved because i'm empty inside for you that's not manly man be a man this one coming in from african communist says one for both of the guests to answer does war make men effeminate i think that it if you don't mind my answering right away i think that it uh has been very destructive to men and it has kind of effectively made men effeminate especially when they're not ready for it you see all this ptsd stuff going around because the men haven't been raised with that solid foundation where they become emotional at seeing the trauma the trauma and they just uh trip out and a lot of men have died in these wars leaving the uh the families messed up and these wars meant in many cases weren't necessary in the first place they were for fake causes and things like that so uh yes it has been very damaging to men in many ways and society star duster yeah so i wouldn't call it effeminate i think war has a lot of negative effects on people um and especially men um men are the number one casualty of war and uh and that's um yeah i don't know that that's effeminate but i think it's i think it's bad i think it's bad and i think it affects the rest of society in a really bad way you got it k max mcdonalds says in stardust view does there seem to be a more anti-white or anti- male view coming from the current mainstream media and could this be demoralizing men to be more effeminate so i can't speak on the mainstream media i can say that in really far left spaces i've seen some like anti-male anti-white you know a lot of memeing and stuff like that um and so you know i try to i try to check people and be like hey like you know let's chill a little bit on on that stuff you know um but uh you know like hake said there's no such thing as racism so um but um but uh yeah i can't really say on mainstream media um i don't think it makes men effeminate i think i think effeminate is the wrong word to to use here and i think it's honestly just uh yeah i think it's just the wrong word i think um i think a lot of these traits are just bad traits they're not effeminate or otherwise i think black lives matter was propped up big time by the mainstream media and that is a very emasculating movement both for whites causing them to apologize for something that they're not guilty of and for blacks to be when when they're disproportionately perpetrators to act as though they're victims and so that's been very and to blame blaming white people and all that stuff and accuse Derek Chauvin of racism with no evidence whatsoever so i think that there's um anybody anybody blaming white people or cops or anybody really is pathetic and that's what black lives matter is very very uh female minded liberal thing propped up by the government academia media terrible interesting this one coming in from do appreciate it polarized squirrels as hake decency and decorum are for the elite class why do you think it's a male centric lifestyle when i said decency i didn't mean decorum in the sense of i don't know what you mean by that necessarily um when i say decency i mean common decency that that men and men and women and men and men and men and women and women should treat one another with calmness you don't you don't see that in the female led cultures which is what our culture is degrading into you got it and then thank you very much for your question this one or i should say correction thunder storm says my comment wasn't supremacy sorry my comment was so confusing interesting debate tonight no problem but i'll appreciate your comment and we definitely the the latter part of it was clear or i think it got through and then thanks for your kind words all credit to the speakers who are linked below folks if you want to hear more from our guests you can what are you waiting for and that includes at the podcast so modern day debate is a podcast and a youtube channel our podcast gets thousands of downloads which is huge want to say thanks everybody for your support and making it as well as it has as you shared it a ton but also both stardusts and hicks links are in the description box of the podcast as well so if you're listening to the podcast you're like hey i want to hear more you certainly can as well by clicking on that link below this one coming in from nick says to both testosterone in men is at an all-time low what do you think is to blame and do you think this is making men biologically effeminate yeah um i think that that's partly the well like i said the spoiling people sitting around like a bump on a log at a desk just desk jobs not exercising not doing manual labor not manufacturing and you know i've heard that the food in the water have been um the plastics have been not good for for men or women really um and the pornography and all that stuff has been probably feeding into the decreasing testosterone levels in men it's my guess stardust thoughts i don't know that it's porn per se um uh though you know i have my issues with it i don't know that i would say that it's porn um sure it probably has to do with us having more sedentary lifestyles um it probably has more to do with the types of foods that we're eating for sure um but uh yeah i don't know that's probably as far as i can say on that topic you got it this one coming in from shit channel for you says can't we start over and make a an equal term for both girls boys and non-binary no it wouldn't be wise stardust uh i don't know i so well i think that um you know i respect different gender identities and things like that i do think that there is some utility to gender um constructs and i think that uh you know i don't really see the reason for us to be like you know destroying these constructs when we have uses for them you got it this one coming in from everyone's favorite brenton lango hey this is you brenton you know it's funny that debate the other night it took what did it take to bring christians and atheists together uh in a single debate to take the same side and in that case they were behind t-jump it was brenton's opinion so brenton i love you buddy i hope you're doing well but brenton says hey i know a kid who other kids would follow jeering and throwing rocks at him while he was walking home how is that not bullying right but that's you can call that bullying but there's this anti-bullying thing uh where the kids are becoming targets their weakness invites attack whites being weak has invited more attacks on the whites men being weak little kids being weak have invited there's something in the spirit of the kid that's inviting that attack from the people and you have to deal with both and both come from men not leaving not raising those children correctly you got it this one coming in from do appreciate it brenton strikes again he says i fundamentally disagree that quote good times make weak men by that logic everything needs to remain awful at all times lest weak men emerge no there's a bible quote that says something like let me not be so poor that i have to steal nor so rich that i forget god something to that effect there's a there's a just right man this one coming in from the trip one says i was asking if god i'm not gonna read that can i can i ask a question because we were just talking about bullying is that not like being bullied again you're saying is you're basically saying these men are being victims and all of that and so they're being woman minded if a man feels like a victim he is being woman minded but there is such a real thing as somebody being wronged so if i'm basically saying that a man is is a victim of of this or that it's a if he's not a victim in his spirit in his identity if he doesn't identify as a victim and he's not woman minded no he can overcome anything a man should not be bothered by being wronged this one from azian talks just a comment says hey your philosophy is immoral gotcha this one coming in from my guess is you disagree this one coming in from stay curious says so hey getting ptsd from seeing people blown up into pieces is feminine um yeah it's it's not it's definitely not manly you want to there you want to overcome stuff like that yeah it's traumatic it's like i would not want to see it but it's i i know that there are a lot of horrors in war and those should not get inside you and sit inside you and stay inside you forever we don't have um we're we have people looking to psychologists and psychiatrists rather than to god and to the wisdom of of of man from god this one coming in from brian w says your definition hake of intellectual is wholly incorrect intellectuals do not reject things out of hand that is precisely what makes them intellectuals because they hunger for knowledge but he just rejected my my statement out of hand and yes they do hunger for knowledge and um their hunger for knowledge is is overboard and out of proportion because the bible says and it's true everybody knows it knowledge puffs up but love builds up love love edifies and people you know it's it's like a woman or like a female minded emotional male to chase knowledge and knowledge and knowledge and never have wisdom you that's what i mean by intellectual hopefully that understands this one from only a mr bill says was jimmy stewart's was was jimmy stewart effeminate in a wonderful life the movie i did not ever see that movie my female aunt loved that movie but i can't say about jimmy stewart you got it it may have been the beginning of the end for men stardust did you think he was effeminate have you seen the movie um no you know i i don't think he was i don't think he was effeminate i think he was a jimmy stewart is the one um he yeah i don't think he was effeminate i think he was a nice guy right i think he was a nice guy's father in the movie that's all i think yeah he was a nice guy he was caring he was nurturing um he cared about people around him he was six foot three this one from where did that come from this one from leslie leslie flumman says i will say go ahead oh uh it is effeminate to not have seen that movie though dang it's cold you got it this would come again from leslie flumman's appreciate it says hey do you think anger and violence come from humans in general and not just women ever since the fall i think they're referring to genesis three the world has been in sin and humans are to blame not just women right you blame both you blame each for what he or she did wrong but you have to look at the the way things work out um i read a great book by jacy lee peterson the antidote healing america from the poison of hate blame and victimhood and i read about the life of travon martin and what led to his attack on george zimmerman and mike brown and his attack on former officer darin wilson and you kind of see their upbringing in their mother and father the and the stepfather and how you kind of understand where things came from so it's important to understand and if you just say oh it's human beings then you don't actually forgive you're kind of excusing evil rather than and dealing with it you got it i think that's it let me just double check that we have any more super chats because we did go over time because i was hoping to get you guys out of here i know you guys have got a lot going on and this one is by the way also in addition to thanking hake we have to say stardust also thank you folks stardust usually takes monday nights off and i was like stardust you want to be this debater not and she was like fine so we are thrilled that this this is a good debate i love this topic i think it's so fun but anyway want to say huge credit our guests like stardust and hake are what make this channel fun so huge thank you stardust and hake for being here thank you both for having me great to talk to you again stardust you saw you sound so traumatized are you okay yeah no i'm i'm great i i had fun with this debate did you have fun i did have fun oh yeah the most fun but i was gonna say you've crossed swords with hake before so you knew what you were getting into yeah yeah no i knew what i was getting into i liked i liked talking with hake i hope you like talking with me i do amazing like 90 going north what the okay thank you guys it's always fun that's probably my favorite quote what the i wore this outfit especially for this debate though you know i can you explain it it's a banana it's a banana hat thing one of my favorite it's a whole banana oh wow you're right wow is it like the peanut butter jelly time banana is there any or is it i think it's a i think it's pretty accurate looking realistic banana honestly it's got like the you know nice little yeah browning and all that yeah i think it's a nice realistic banana so yeah one of my favorite albums was banana man by the christian punk rock band godie hook cool yeah i figured i'd wear my formal attire today so you know right on i wore my best as well i will i'm gonna go to the folks stick around i'm gonna come back for just a few minutes it's gonna be a 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