 Kallispera! Good afternoon and I've... Buenos dias! We are starting. I'm so glad we have such a good crowd for this and we kind of fit perfectly into this room. So I'm glad we changed rooms and that you found the right room. This is the open ed tech room. I even have an open ed tech shirt, the very first one in existence which I had printed for myself for this session. So we have a workshop here and the shape of the next 90 minutes is something like this. I'm going to talk at you for about 10 or 15 minutes and give you some background, maybe 20 minutes because you know me once I get started. Give you the background where we're up to with open ed tech. Then we're going to split into six streams and depending on how many people are interested in each of the six streams we'll further subdivide into subgroups like brainstorming groups and then you guys are all going to be working quite hard on the next stage which I'll explain and produce a summary of your group's ideas on one of these pieces of paper. I'm going to take some photographs of those pieces of paper and project them up here one at a time and I need a representative from each group to come and just quickly explain what that group did. That's the shape. We've got 90 minutes. I think we can do it. At the end we're going to have a terrific set of ideas that should really take open ed tech to the next level. So what am I talking about? Well I've been so busy the last few weeks I didn't prepare slides specifically for this but what I do have is the slides from the last open ed tech meeting. Who here was in that meeting in August? One, two, three, four, five, six. Great. The rest of you are not seeing things twice but I haven't progressed much since August because of everything that's been going on. So let me first of all explain. There will be a very detailed explanation coming. A foundation paper if you like. I'd hope to have it finished for this for today but it's not. But it will be soon and it's not a manifesto but it kind of is. It's not a white paper because you just don't say things like that anymore and it's a foundation paper and I'm looking for you to all help me finish this paper. As I explained a little bit in the keynote Moodle itself as an example of open ed tech needs a plan for the future and the problems in the world are much bigger than just Moodle can do. What we need is what I'm really seeing is so many projects in education, some that Andrea was talking about in Europe, in the States, in Asia, everywhere. So many attempts to solve problems in education technology and some of them compete against each other. Some of them are developed for a three-year project with funding and they build something and then it just kind of dies and disappears and there is so many good ideas happening but not a lot of it being turned into infrastructure that we use that everybody uses and it's all very well to come up with like the best blockchain system for micro credentials and build a company to support that and put it on the internet and make it available but it's not good if nobody can find it, if it's not connected to the systems we use daily, if it's not made so easy to use that your grandfather who's just done a wine course that his little credential he gets there it doesn't end up in this system and it doesn't even help if that doc you know if it's run by some company that disappears in three years because their venture capital funding ran out and company goes down and then oh we've lost all of our data or we lost that system. So there's just way too much chaos in education all of this stuff going on and what I'm trying to do here is leverage the the Moodle goodwill the Moodle spirit that is why we have 840 people at this conference and many thousands more all around the world to leverage to use our influence in edtech to push a new next generation of open ed tech at this level you know we have a PHP application it Moodle is PHP it's a couple of million lines of code that gets rewritten and changed and extended and built on over 20 years but you know think Star Trek think a hundred years in the future do we all expect to still be using a PHP application with that architecture no and who here is more of a computer science nerd tech nerd more into the technology keeping up with what's going on around us right now okay I could see about or I would say 10% 15% maybe no extra 5% because you are looking at your phone and you weren't listening how many people here are more interested in things from a pedagogical angle they're more like teachers or is learning designers they're thinking about those human side problems again another sort of 20% probably some overlap maybe 30% actually how many people here are more interested in sort of the administration just tell me what to do I'll look after it like they're more like just keeping things running and actually the people keeping things working okay a few hands going up I know it doesn't sound as exciting but life is 80% maintenance you know this if you're married so we have a good range of people here and and and the the current stuff that we've built is not gonna last forever I I fully think we're gonna have a moodle 5.0 a moodle 6.0 and there's gonna be a lot of new things happening with moodle LMS as it is for these years to come but we have to start thinking about this next generation and that frees us up so let's imagine that there is no we don't we're not constrained in this session by what moodle is today and I want us to put our brains together to think about what could be what would be a global infrastructure that would just make education amazing for the next 50 years right why not the the residents of Mars will be using it because I think if we have a very good plan the combined force of all of us promoting that plan around the world with UNESCO with governments with companies we can make it happen right so maybe five years we could have a good prototype that's already three years now three years we'll have we could have a prototype of this and we could keep it going from there but we need the vision one thing for sure is that it needs to be based on open standards so you know that open source and open education resources there is this concept of open standards open standards are standards that you can go and look at any time they open obviously but they also have an open process bit similar to open source where new ideas and extensions and evolution of the standard develop and they get the standards themselves are improving and continue and W3C one of the big you've all heard of them their worldwide web consortium they they look after a lot of standards around the web the custodians of things like HTTP I triple E you may not hear about them much anymore I wish we did actually because you know every time you look at a P a plug you know that you're putting the wall power plug or light globes or all this electrical infrastructure you know this is the international engineers standards body that have enabled that to happen you know you come to Spain and plug right in straight on the Wi-Fi no problem they also have learning technology groups as well they just we don't hear about them very much this sort of become a bit quiet we need to work on that anyway these are the kind of standards we want to do and I want to stress I don't see open ed tech as being a standards defining body I see open ed tech is us the educators who are interested in openness selecting the right standards curating right we we we are going to find what are the interesting standards that we want to support and recommend so I I'm kind of hating my diagram here because I originally drew it in about five minutes and I haven't made a new one yet and I'm still using this picture but these are the major components so I'm gonna explain ideas I have so far around these and you're gonna take it further now if you don't like this diagram you are very welcome to propose new ones as well and maybe not today because we have limited time and I want us to focus on let's see how far this goes but jet as part of open ed tech I'm very open everything is open for discussion and everything is this is my proposal to organize our thinking so the first piece whoops is the cloud what are the problems with internet hosting and servers and things right now the problem with servers is they require this maintenance you need people keeping them running if the .com on which you are relying for your services disappears you lose your service that's very disruptive to education there are examples of more fault tolerant ways of putting data into the internet now I'm putting web 3 in quotes because web 3 is kind of a buzzword and has a lot of criticism as well but what this is the kind of thinking though that I'm talking about is how do we store data in a way that we just push it into the cloud and it's completely safe and we never need to worry about it going even if a company disappears an organization disappears it's still going to be there in a hundred years that's a problem there are some hints to a solution we look at blockchain look at you remember bit torrents remember ten years ago probably a lot of you are downloading your movies illegally from bit torrent servers that torrents where was where was that data stored everywhere like one movie the little bits of the movie are stored in the thousands of servers it didn't matter if half of them disappeared you still got your movie that's a good example of federating distributing data that the second part which is not here is about the CPU power how do we store applications running out there on the cloud in a similar way it's built for longevity to live for a long time it's minimizing risk it provides a foundation on which to build everything else it's not dependent on specific organizations it is secure it's free for users so users should be able to store stuff free because you want it forever well if I have to keep paying money every month it's not forever is it right I might suddenly not be able to pay so it's necessary it's free and it's necessary because also the lowest common denominator if we want to think about educating the whole world it's got to be free has to be and the shared computing power so that's some of the ground conditions for the cloud the second piece is the education resources I'm sure most of you know by now the entire world through UNESCO agreed in 2019 that OER or open education resources are the future of education resources that means moving away from traditional publishing textbooks models towards open education resources the world has already agreed to this governments have already signed up to this thing the implementation is suffering because people are going great where do I put my stuff and a lot of people are putting their stuff on a server that they run in different ways everyone's choosing something different and it's just kind of all spread out so we need to I think and the reason that's happening is because there is no clear leader there's no clear solution there's no open ed tech association going hey guys this is the way right we haven't we haven't that doesn't exist yet so it needs to and in there are some real problems that that need to be solved how do we have standard structured formats for kind of high level data this is more than just information so Wikipedia is already a great source of open education resources but it's just text and images in education we have a lot more things we have lesson plans and we have less you know quiz questions and we have all this structured data so we need kind of standards around how we share and store that stuff the other really big thing is quality and accuracy with AI probably going to be generating 90% of the content in the future how do we know what's real education is about our next generation knowing you know learning stuff there's got to be a lot of quality and accuracy I feel like the education system should be responsible for judging quality and accuracy and part of that is a web of trust there's no one of us who is a hundred percent expert on anything so if I say that you know someone here is really good at Moodle you'll probably go well you know he's the Moodle founder he's got a reputation probably he's right so I using my reputation to put some weight on that recommendation and all of you have expertise and can recommend some piece of data or a person and so if you think about it there's a web of trust going on you know why is Harvard University regarded as a good university that's probably you know that's not a controversial phrase but is it I don't really know maybe it's just marketing right it might not be I'm not saying it isn't but I'm saying I don't know what it is so like there's if but if lots of people go oh yeah Harvard it's great well okay there's a web of trust lending reputation to that institution so I feel like that's very important to solve and also that because we are proposing a kind of standard we can start being part of the very very many OER projects so Andrea was talking this morning about some of those I'm a board member at Open Education Global as well and there's 300 institutions producing OER as well it will be so nice to say look just do it this way and it's going to be in this thing forever and it's like the right way there's also curriculums pathways a lot and it's just got to be available and usable by all so not just teachers and educators and institutions a student you know I have a dream that when you search for a topic on a search engine as well as getting the Wikipedia page at the top maybe the second one is here are learning resources about that subject and you go somewhere and you see them there the third piece is the classroom and this is closest to the heart of Moodle and you maybe from the keynote I was saying Moodle stuff can be in all these categories but this is the most obvious one that there's some there's got to be some kind of a Moodle next generation that inhabits this space of a space where an educator is creating an experience for many people and helping them learn I'm a very strong proponent and you may disagree in your groups so feel free but I think the teacher needs to own that space I think when a teacher owns that space they can develop it over years and years and years and look maybe they give copies to an institution for some reason or maybe they have different versions of their space for different so maybe they're connected to the University of Barcelona and they have a version of their classroom for that but maybe they also teach some webinars on the weekend and they want to have a version of the same stuff for that so they need a space for teaching we have to keep the human teachers in the driver seat with AI it's very tempting to go why don't we just let AIs do all the teaching and it's possible and it will be happening but I'm very I feel strongly we have to keep the human in the driver seat even if they're assisted by a lot of AIs and why because education is the only way we pass our culture from one generation to the next are we gonna let machines do that again maybe you want to discuss that in their AI needs to be working for us we don't want to be working for the AI but artificial intelligence is going to be super useful to help you manage lots and lots of people and make sure they all get a great experience they'll give them feedback give them assessment giving you information you know summarizing and prompting so much possibility your classroom could be public your classroom could be quite private it could support one student it could support 50 million students it should integrate all the teacher tools like Moodle does now connects to many integrations with all kinds of other things so this is where big blue button for example would be still an option you know I want to have a video conference but we get my big blue button room so it's kind of fitting in on this area to this is scalable and needs to connect to organizations and learners which are the other piece I'll get to that the learner part again owned by the individual we own our own space not linked in not something the university gave to you this is for life you get one as a baby and you can store all of your stuff there in the cloud for free for life verifiable credentials anytime you get a credential issued through some assessment that's where it goes just pop in my connections this verifiable credentials if you don't know about it is one of the W3 standards that I think is really interesting and enables you to verify a credential is it really from who says it is and then it's to be a web of trust because okay it's great to know the credential came from somebody but who is that somebody is it actually Harvard University or is it somebody called John Harvard who runs a shonky little verification service a little credential service so there's a lot that can happen in here and you know I think this will be a great one for people to explore it's like how does this system help you as a learner again there will be AI in there undoubtedly because AI will be everywhere we're going to be there'll be more AI brains in the internet than human brains we're going to be surrounded by these entities doing things so let's build it that way and have these kind of intelligent agents that support us as a tutor I would love for my system to know my timetable and have access to all of my data so that it can fit learning into my life you know I have two hours free and my watch goes hey you got a bit of time why don't you watch this video why don't you do a bit of this do a bit of that and you go oh no later and it learns starts fitting in with your schedule so instead of going to a class or doing a timetable which is very industrial it's very last century it becomes education becomes a drip feed a flow that you learn and one afternoon you go you know not happy what I'm doing I really want to be a great architect and your system goes okay well I can help you be a great architect here's a learning pathway there's a university near you there's an online course over here and right now there is this great augmented reality experience so you know through your augmented reality glasses you've now switched to learning to be an architect mode it knows I'm in this hotel it knows something about the history I'm looking around I can see I'm very curious who designed this hotel actually because it's great design right so you know I would love that information to be flowing in around me and I'm getting all this architecture information and maybe I can see the stress level on that wall you know engineering loads and things like that so I'm becoming I'm seeing the world as an architect augmented by my system so this integration into your life assisting you with getting organized and memory as well because we all have we're all designed to forget so it becomes your extra memory assist you with employment at some point you go you know I'd like to work as a in the architecture field and it goes well you know here are some opportunities it starts talking to firms and getting you jobs because it interfacing with the organizations and helping you have different work so that's that bit it is helping you with this right everybody we're all looking at any given moment I loved Andrea said we do 35,000 decisions a day right this is the decision where we're going to go in life right so that's what sounds like a good job for an AI to help you with but it needs to be an AI you can trust trust is very very important here really trust so you need to know that all of this the technology you're using is working for you not for Google not for Microsoft not for Facebook in some metaverse that's trying to sell you shit it's like this is got to work for you and you need to trust it and if you're a computer scientist and you go can I really trust it you should be able to look at all the code and go yes I can trust it these are good systems doing good things and that's why it needs to be open ed tech the next piece is organizations that's kind of the rest of Moodle right the Moodle LMS and workplace that kind of management of learning imagine and there'll be many different tools here for different uses but the organization needs to manage learning in a bigger way I'm gonna stop soon sorry I knew I'd get started on this we at Moodle with 250 people nearly now are facing real issues with who is doing what and we want everybody in the organization to have a career path and everything is dynamic all the time people are coming and going and moving around and you want people to but I would love it if everybody had a terrific experience in our in our organization and moved through every company has the same issue every institution there's all that optimization of how people can move around that's something we could build a tool that would help with now we could do it in Moodle in Moodle workplace but we kind of retrofitting it and we are doing that in workplace somewhat but I feel like we could rethink this from the ground up like what would be a purpose tool that would really help with that and use AI very strongly to assist that connects to the learners so each individual they connect their learner environment to the organization environment so when you join in a company and you become an you know a team member the the organization prompts you you get a notification that goes maybe it's through your glasses hey you've just joined Moodle Moodle wants to know shush Moodle wants to know you know the company wants to know your name your your contact details your your gender and some something about your past and you go yeah you can have my name yeah you can have my contact details I'm not gonna tell you what my gender is it's not important right you can't have that information and and I'll give you this selected information about my history so for the privacy angle you have control over your data as a learner as you interface with classrooms and organizations and this kind of negotiation between systems and only private ownership of data is really important to build in I think I've covered that there and the last thing is just in AI in general it's a it's gonna be an essential component I am worried that AI is going to be developed by large companies with the large agendas as a lot of people in this world are trying to farm us right we are the consumers being farmed and milked to feed money into some you know put the milk I'm lost mixed my metaphors but all the milk is going into buckets and being drunk by people somewhere else it's it's not not ideal right we need to own AI education should be driving artificial intelligence because if you think about it what AI is we are building brains that's what we educate all right that's what we where it's literally our field we're supposed to be experts with brains so we should be experts with AI as well and and using it in the best possible way so that we need to define it and secondly we need to also teach everybody how to live in a world that is dominated by AI and that's another problem so that's my dump of the kinds of things I've been thinking about and the overall framework that I think exists so there is an association I keep talking about I'm not going to go into that what we're gonna do right now is I want you to run with that develop it further I've got some tables here I want you to pick one of those things and we're gonna we're all gonna have to get up so get your get your put your devices away get ready to move we're gonna move a lot now over here I have the cloud row here is the OER row this is the classroom row the artificial intelligence row the learner row I think down the back there's the organizations it depends on how much interest we have I might move them around a little bit we we can't all work even if there's 20 or 30 people in each section that's too many we've got to get it down to one table so there might be multiple tables of each of these subjects so go let's get organized so they'll say it again so you can just look you need to think what you're most interested in oh one more one more thing sorry one more thing in your table I want you to decide for that topic are you working on it from a user interface view so trying to imagine the experience right what does it look like maybe you can be drawing pictures of interfaces you know trying to imagine the experience of that thing what would be great what would be ideal or are you working on the tech stack are you interested in the mechanics on the engineering right one of those two so look I hope this works let's just to try it so cloud OER classroom AI and learner go you got a couple of minutes to get sorted see how we go okay first group down here who's who's gonna be speaking from the first group no no yep you come up here all right I'll try and show this better yeah I think you could probably sort of see that not as good as I hoped but that's fine here you go you got one minute give us a summary okay okay let's try this pitch so yeah we were focused on learners and one of the key things we talked about was community of learners we saw that in the connection of recognition so recognition of learning providing trust because we were thinking of developing different learning pathways over a person's life cycle and also that these people you know this community of learners they can also be providing recommendations for you and all of this AI assisted so when we talked about AI to create recommendations we're a bit skeptical but doing it this way around made more sense we thought of permanent IDs and then we were thinking well we need IDs which are anonymous and flexible so did so something like that might be an interesting way of doing it and we thought of one of the biggest problems or two of the biggest problems with platforms is a lot of the formats we're using and not inclusive for example you need a keyboard they're very a lot of learning is right text-based etc and we were also thinking very poorly and last point about demography I'm very interested I was mentioning in the concept of the 60-year curriculum if we think of this kind of learning pathway which continues to continue continues through your life cycle you have to think of how we can organize learning for that as well that's us thank you so much Dominic this is really a full-day session down in 90 minutes so we're gonna super fast but we can continue this conversation afterwards next table please I think we're gonna go a little bit into the coffee break but that's okay next one is also learner here we go that's your picture oh yeah yeah we did a lot and I'm gonna try and condense this the biggest thing that we decided to talk about was the idea that it's all an iterative sort of a path and that essentially you know you're as a learner and you've got a project and it's you and you're gonna be working on your learning that way so we had this idea of you know just kind of like the learner at the center and there's kind of this spiral that goes around and around and you're going to have many different iterations and some of what you're gonna wanted you know you're gonna want to have help along the way and that the help is gonna be different you know at different iterations in different stages you might have different kinds of help sometimes it might be AI sometimes it might just be you know real human beings one thing what we talked about was the idea that you know you know we're all focused on technology but we've managed to teach each other for thousands of years without any phones or anything like this and so a lot of this to us is like what are you what are we still doing that we've always been doing and why do we want to keep on doing that and then just kind of part of that was we also have this piece here when we were talking about the idea of a LinkedIn that's more about a LinkedIn of a network of my learning and less about a network of other people so it's all of the knowledge it's all of the interactions it's all the different challenges we've had and we also put in the the idea of competencies and credentials as a way to you know basically you know show evidence of what we're doing as we go through these different iterations thank you Jim thank you I hate digs things fast but also good it's good table three quick get up here who's next about the learner they can't decide we'll move to the next one if you want to think about it table four do you have someone ready all right come on up here table four is that the one it's that one I stay here stay here I'm just trying to find your picture was I didn't have one no we didn't we didn't actually come up with the picture we went we went wildly off into the future right so there is no picture for ours actually but we ended up coming up with was we don't think there needs to be a portal or a platform we think we're going to ultimately have a kind of AI assistant and the way I narrowed it down was actually a digital nanny that is with you from a very young age that knows where your skills and interests lie and then knows you quite intimately and then guides you along and gives you verified quality learning resources that fit to your own personal learning modalities or your own personal skill sets throughout life okay great thank you maybe you can still find an artifact table three got someone got someone come on come on come on that that guy there I'm looking at you you know who I'm looking at come up say something come on do it you could yeah you can't say anything wrong it's all good okay I'm telling Boris so okay it was just a brainstorm you know we imagine an application connected with other LMS systems so like a cloud application this application should contain a student driven AI something like can suggest you I know something which is in your interest it should they have a gamification system it should have even a system which suggests you something out of your interest not like Facebook that you're coming that confirm and it should have any Q&A part and you can have to have the possibility to find someone can help you to improve your knowledge so it was super all right thank you thanks Gabrielle AI down the front it's got to be dove come on we all know you like to talk is this the one no no that's the one all right okay first thing I think we need to do looking at the future is from a perspective oh yeah okay from a research perspective if we all of us would like to be creative and great tools we need to share data what this is the AI thing half of it the deep learning path part needs a lot of data and I think we should standardize the way we anonymize data and share between us if you're going globally for innovation this is one thing the other stuff is okay a lot of AI is biased with the data feeding it wrong data or okay so this is another thing we need to consider and one one more thing is we would like to have some kind of an assistant AI assisting teachers curating data or finding follow-up activities based on students misconceptions misunderstanding whatever something that the nanny could also do from the previous table I think did I miss something important you think I think that's plenty I explain ability okay sorry one more important thing very important AI need to be explainable because most of it it gives some output and the teachers get really scared correct yeah thank you next group ready someone I I think we'll use AI's to explain other AI's we'll have a stack of AI's all working on each other we actually considered this AI to control AI so basically we decided to have three columns one was collects the assessments like what we consider what could be addressed by the weak points of education that could be addressed by AI the perspective brought by AI the changes and then the keywords and back down pretty soon came the limits that we also considered so in short we see that there's some inconsistency in the way education is provided we see opportunities to have AI produce more information to provide what we might call smart where in other words you have hardware constraints in an environment and that can lead to smart where I'm trying to be short and up to the limits where it would be so it may automated that there would be a real risk including government control and government abuse of yeah through education in countries that are less democratic than the countries most of us come from as far as I know yes yeah good one important thank you Cyril next group make sure you make sure you're ready if you're coming up that you're ready Julia's been taking photos over here so I hope we've got them all did we get them all Julia where's Julia I lost him yeah we got them all okay cool yeah okay we had a nice discussion about what could be the student experience from the AI is used we even came up with a slogan invest your time not your doing not searching and in fact we thought about AI as a more personal trainer that was able to balance needs and interest from the students perspective and yeah I mean a lot of ideas one of them was also offers some kind of way of upskilling people to get their competency for jobs that don't even exist and so it was I mean there is more in the and drawing there but it's we look at it in a positive way absolutely no thank you look I you're ready already I thank you that's that's what I want to see proactive and I want to point out yeah yeah okay so I could tell you a lot of things we talked about but what I want to tell you is just three key points one is that we see AI as a strong supporting role underpinning admin developers teachers and learners so a strong support factor it has the potential to really disrupt the way we're learning so we talked about well you mentioned you know getting stress measurements on walls and we said you know as an architecture student you might be in a learning environment where the learning comes to you in the moment you really need it walking up a staircase and the learning is there rather than in our our space and time sort of bound ways that we're largely learning now and the last one is that there's a massive ethical question around AI and that one is to say if we teach something to think independently we need to be sure that we raise that individual like our own children in a way that they grow up and become the adults we want them to be so it's incumbent on us all to take a more moral and ethical stance towards the way that we train AI for the future beautiful thank you Kaylee hello Rafael so we went some card sorting activity and we find some trends it's the very you you wax one with yes yes so I have the notes that all my table came with here so learners they need a classroom that the learning experience is start from each learner's current experience knowledge and and that understand that everyone has the potential to teach and to learn so there's this is really long one here like need to feed diverse learning pathways that have led to the students to a success in the past in this AI datasets so the AI can guide future learners along similar pathways and human teacher identifies success successful pathways and nurtures social and emotional health in the environment what else it's probably in the learning one last one okay acts like a GPS every students start at their unique position with their knowledge and skills and the environment which is the teacher and the AI help guide them to the destination if the most personalized and effective route awesome enough thank you Rafael thank you a group and the team thank you Roland we're the next yep that's our ones yeah we've been talking about the classroom and we would like to see the teacher always to remain in the captain's seat he is the owner of the content he needs to decide on what needs to be teach we do see AI help along with the learning styles of the learners which might impact the selection of the content and how the content is delivered we would like to see AI assist the teacher on the learning success not only at the end of teaching but also in between so things can be dynamically adapted and we can also we would like to see AI to help to personalize examples and quizzes and stuff like that but and that's the main point we would like to see the teacher always to be able to control AI and maybe AI would have to develop like PowerPoint we use it as a tool in order to facilitate and support our teaching but we always need to remain in the captain's seat thank you Roland very clear so team Andrew now we are going to go a little bit into the coffee time five ten five six minutes I'm sure you don't mind I hope if you really have to go go but thank you Andrew okay so we know that one so we started questioning the assumption that tech is currently the limiting factor from an organizational perspective we talked about the things the organizations own like private data the IP is it the lecturer is it the institution the curriculum the they own the credibility they own the ability to issue credentials why they're in those things in a lot of cases it's about money and the ultimate outcome is siloing so we need to attack siloing so we have more empowered learning shared content more mobility and we explored the ways that that could happen we looked at public and private funding could we talk to B Corp and ISO to drive it in that direction can we set learner and funder expectations to to expect these things and demand these things looking at public funding can we look at policy and procurement frameworks to attack it from that direction thank you Andrew and thanks to group the one group who chose the organization yes you're next mr. benetton Salvador area hi sorry we were talking about OER and we actually didn't know where to start so we look at the successes and the failure of the current OER repositories and we ended up talking most of the time about trust because we we thought that does it one of the main concerns what's the content you need you have to trust and we thought that in order to to define the accuracy of the on the trust of the content you need different sources for these trust so we want to make it an open democratic process where anyone can or can give his or her opinion but also that it need to take into account the different profiles of the person giving their opinion okay so that one was one of the points okay sorry and pick another one one more one more okay no no it's just one but three so the next the next step is that we needed to define some kind of standard where everyone could work upon in a collaborative way and also to prepare some kind of collections with the contents not only by people but also from from EA EA or for the trust system that we talk about before so you'll see the little monsters that's the AI the boring everything because we thought that it will devour everything beautiful thank you team and Salvador I think we're at the back over there who is at the back Lewis am I right is that the one no they're in the other they're in the other order aren't they that looks more like something Lewis was involved in okay so we picked cloud and then wish we didn't but we basically a lot of this exists now some of it so we're thinking peer-to-peer interconnections where everybody's a node so everyone's carrying around the device and you're virtually you're the internet so you're carrying this around and using more what we call near data processing so that's done you know on your on your device and then we got a bit sci-fi and we said well then we need some kind of super node that lives above all this stuff and then we thought why do we put that in space not on earth so it's not the cloud it's space and that can all be that can all be powered by the sun and then splitting all these different things like your personal data work data health data into decentralized cloudy thing is and that's where we got to so thank you it's always the kids down the back I don't know what they were smoking but it was nice good all right no okay so we did a list of what's important and some solutions and we didn't make anything specific but at least we think this is useful to get inspired by what's out there or what's important so what's important is that it's secure that it's available and has uptime a good uptime that it's decentralized we agree that it would be nice that it would be free but we went into a rabbit hole of what's free what isn't so some ideas we had is the government backed that the european union or that nothing is free so it cannot be free etc we should trust in its longevity so if you have something this cloud you trust that it will be there for the long term that is based in standards and that it's censorship resistant right and some of the existing solutions we can use to get inspired from is the web 3.0 data so blockchains in this kind of thing self sovereign identity zero trust authentication the interplanetary file system the solid protocol and the tour browser or the union network yeah all right thank you awesome some solid suggestions thank you Noel and team Diana well I think all the cloud people drank the same drink of freedom because I think it was the same with us we thought it should be free but it will cost something so it should be self sustainable so we don't depend on anything and it should be accessible to everybody in a technical way and also in a personal way this is very important and it should be free easy and transparent and this is these were our three commandments and we thought about a lot of examples where we have good ideas and we should combine them and include them and this is what we thought thank you no fantastic thank you next team and last but not least sorry and I agree I think we all either smoked or drank the same thing it's all the clouds going on on that side yes so we try to think about how to to make a the dream of having a place where does everything can exist without ever dying so that it's always available and one thing that we discovered is that we're gonna have to change the way Moodle is constructed as it is and we figured that we need to spread the different layers of what makes up Moodle currently into individual functional pieces each one of them horizontally scalable at the infinitum and we thought about that the everything should be centered around the users experience on whatever device they're on so that the course the AI the virtual reality the whatever tools that you're using to interact within the the content that you're trying to consume happens on your device the only thing that ever gets synced up is the final result of what is it that you did think you're racing a steam game and the get the result of you whatever you want out same idea that gets pushed out into what we consider the cloud that is contains the user information that gets analyzed by a analytics layer which is which is basically powered by a whole bunch of containers my notes there's crap load of containers and then of course there's Moodle net which contains all the courses which are just courses think a bit torrent that you just download on your local phone and Moodle sits in the middle and facilitating all that okay that's a interesting one thank you galene so thank you everyone for participating I talked about all of the trillions of neurons in this room so this the outcomes here are one I hope you all understand a little bit more about the concept of open ed tech and can see that you know Moodle can go into this direction and be part of these things and it's bigger than Moodle secondly I hope you are starting to have some ideas in here it's kind of more important what was happening in our brains than on paper that maybe you feel inspired to keep thinking about these things and be part of it because what we're what we're doing now and I can't do this at the same time can I have this microphone yep that's it is come here so come to the website and get involved in here if you look under our work we have working groups for each of these and if you go in deep into it you'll see there is a document and a matrix room for chat at least come and join the matrix room and just hang with people in this area all of the areas or any of them that you're interested in all these pictures are generated with AI a few months ago so they look a bit primitive now but it's not easy to get a picture of a learner with a tree growing out of her laptop other than with AI so do that and also all of these bits all of the artifacts you've created are here if you want to keep working on them or if there was a things important things you think might get forgotten please come and edit these slides I've made a QR code if you if you want take that go into the slides add things put stuff in there and I'm going to be trying to synthesize bring all that into the foundation paper and put that foundation draft foundation paper out for comments to to bring it together because we need one big artifact so that we can start spreading around and get people on board but the purpose of getting them on board is to take part in the working groups to bring in experts in all the fields to get them bringing their projects together and just start thinking about this and bring it together I will be personally devoting more and more of my time to this as we have a very capable senior management team at Moodle HQ taking care of everything that Moodle HQ needs to do but I'm really getting into the research side here with open ed tech so this is something I'm very interested in doing now for the next 10 or 20 years thank you for being part of this and sorry about the coffee break thank you