 Yeah, okay. Hi, YouTube. Do we want to slot that into quick hit? Yes, I can parse this. I got I just wrote it while you guys were talking, Drake. All right. Turns out they were not that complicated. And I could actually understand about Drake's self deprecation and the new calculus of releasing albums while parsing Microsoft. That's why Drake is a lifestyle. He's the definition of multitasking. Right. He permeated me. You can think about him and still write earnings. It's probably a bad way of putting it. Don't let anybody permeate you. What about iterating? You're an individual permeated by no one. Except your brother. All right. So I threw it in as the last quick hit, Roger. Got it. Tongue. They used to give me their earnings. Which which album did you prefer of the Drake of the of the Scorpion, the two halves of the Scorpion? Which is the one that has nice for what? Because that's the best song ever. I think it's the rap side or the R&B side. That's the rap side. The rap side. Yeah. Yeah. I mean, I'm always going to go for the hip hop over the R&B if if given a choice. That's what I'll do because I'm like, you know, I'm in my car. I'm doing errands. That's what I want to hear. But but yeah, I mean, it's it's a it's really solid album. If you've got the songs, I mean, it's good. It's really great. I kind of feel like Drake singing is sort of like McDonald's doing the filet of fish. It's like the McRib. It's like what's that song? Well, just him singing in general, it's like, obviously very popular. It's not really for me. But you can't you can't say that it was a bad idea for a brand decision that now he sings it. It introduced him to a new demographic and excites his core demo. So it's like, but also I just think he's a really good rapper. I very much enjoy me. Do song. Yeah. I mean, and we're not the only people being like, let's come out and supportive Drake. I mean, he's he's finally someone was willing to step forward. I mean, you know, let's let's think back to hotline bling that, you know, was overplayed. You know, I literally have a sweatshirt, which I believe Ashley does as well. So it's like, yeah, it's sort of tongue in cheek. But like, that's Drake singing. And that was one of the biggest songs he's ever done. I will say that story of added on to wrap up this conversation, the push you to this below. Sure. Like it is a testament to Drake's Titanic stature that he survived it. And I don't mean as a career, I mean, physically that he did. It is a thorough carpet bombing destruction of a human being. Yeah. In fact, I'm with you. We kind of just all went like, whoa, push it might have won that round. And now we're just done with the conversation. It also is a winner. The listeners. That's true. All right. All right. Hey, Justin, would you like to read line three? Hell yeah, Tom. I would. All right. Three, two. Thanks to everyone who supports Daily Tech News Show directly to find out more head to DailyTechNewsShow.com slash support. All this is the Daily Tech News for Thursday, July 19th, 2018 in Los Angeles on Tom Merritt. And from Studio Fila and I'm Scooter Lane. Local in California. I'm Justin Robert Young. Justin, have you caught up, Sarah, is calling yourself Scooter these days? I've never been more thrilled and never been more disappointed in myself that I have not called her Scooter yet. What? In listening to her new podcast, I have such a nice day. I kept saying I get pride day of such a great point. Producer Roger Chang is here as well. Roger, have you thought of a nickname? Spotty Chang. Temporarily appropriate. Hopefully. Roger seems like a nice guy. He's kind of spotty. Spotty Chang. All right, let's start with a few tech things you should know. Sources from the information sources tell the information rather that Siri co-founder Tom Gruber and search chief Vipol Ved Prakash have both left Apple. Now Gruber was the last of three Siri co-founders to remain at Apple this time. His co-founders Dag Kitlos and Adam Chayer previously left to start the Siri competitor Viv, which was later acquired by Samsung. Corning unveiled Gorilla Glass 6, which says it can survive an average of 15 drops of about a meter twice as good as Gorilla Glass 5. Corning also said that it will survive drops from higher heights as well. It has the same scratch resistance as version 5. Gorilla Glass 6 is in production now and available to smartphone makers. It is expected to show up on shipping phones in the next several months. MacRumor has got an internal Apple service document for the new MacBook Pros and it is a line that says the keyboard has a membrane under the keycaps to prevent debris from entering the butterfly mechanism. And this has become a smoking gun for many MacBook keyboard haters. Publicly, Apple has described the membrane as making the keys quieter, which it also does. The previous generation of MacBook keyboards had problems with sticky keys and Apple now offers free repairs of 2016 and 2017 MacBook Pro keyboards. However, Apple does not offer these new keyboards as replacements for the older models. EU regulators charged Qualcomm with a new violation over accusations of selling UMTS baseband chipsets below cost in order to undermine competitors Nvidia and iSARA. In 2015, the EU also accused Qualcomm of abusing its market power against iSARA between 2009 and 2011. It was also fined in January of this year for paying Apple to use Qualcomm's chips over Intel's. And Microsoft just put out its quarterly earnings and wow, were they good? The earnings call has yet to happen as we're recording this, but Microsoft reported revenue increased 17% year over year net income up 35% office and cloud Azure pretty much led the way, but surface revenue jumped 25% and gaming revenue grew 39%. So overall a very good quarter for Microsoft. Now let's talk about Disney Comcast Fox and their love triangle. Fun is not something you often think about while balancing the universe, but it appears as if Disney will acquire Fox. Comcast withdrew its offer to purchase most of 21st century Fox, leaving Disney in the position to acquire everything except the broadcasting networks, sorry, the broadcast network Fox, Fox News, Fox Business, FS1, FS2 and the Big Ten network, which will be spun off into their own company, Disney also previously agreed with regulators to sell off Fox Sports regional networks. It will acquire as part of the deal. Meanwhile, Comcast will focus on acquiring Sky, which is owned 39% by Fox. It really is a love triangle, isn't it? Yeah, I mean, it's essentially Comcast deciding that continuing to bid up Disney to buy 21st century Fox is going to increase the price of acquiring Sky because Fox owns 39% of it. So they'd rather have Sky at a lower price than try to buy both at a higher price. Which I almost wonder whether or not that was the idea going into it, that the fact that they were credible bidders. I wonder how much Comcast really believed that they were going to be able to steal this deal out from under Disney because it seems like that would not happen considering Disney's financial position and how much time and ever they'd already put into it. Yeah, I mean, Comcast probably has the bigger war chest of cash just by being a little bit of a bigger company. But it was going to go down to the wire if they really wanted to outbid each other. And Disney was serious about it. They got regulator approval for goodness sake. I think that probably has something to do with it too. As Comcast is like, you know what, we don't want to have to bother getting regulator approval for this either Disney, Disney wins this round, but they get it. So, so yeah, whether what I don't know and I couldn't find an answer to is whether the 39% of Sky that Fox owns stays with the Rump Fox, the Fox Broadcasting Fox that will stick around on its own. Or if that also goes to Disney, I have a feeling it stays with the part of Fox that won't be part of Disney. I would, I think so as well based on the reporting on it. The big winner here, though, the Murdoch family who had and then got a better deal out of nowhere. Well, and that's the funny thing is that the Murdoch family, James Murdoch at the most recent recode or code media conference, which happened near LA last month, said publicly, we really want to deal with Disney. And that was when Comcast had already outbid Disney. So there seems to have been some some perhaps poker style bluffing going on here. Yeah. And don't forget Fox still wants to own the rest of Sky. They have a bid in on Sky that they've been trying to get regulators to sign off in the UK about. So now they'll be going head to head with Comcast over that. Facebook and Instagram are tightening the way its moderators shut down accounts from users found to be under the age of 13, which is the minimum age that you can actually have a Facebook account unless you're using the kids version. The company's former policy was to only investigate accounts that were reported specifically by somebody else for being underage. Now moderators will be able to lock the accounts of any underage user that they happen to come across, even if they're investigating the account that's been reported for something else inappropriate content or harassment or any of the other things that Facebook looks into. Now, if an account gets locked, Facebook will then require a government issued photo ID or something similar that's already designated as being proof of age. Instagram also just launched the familiar green dot, which Facebook is already using to accompany that whole active now status on friends profile pictures to encourage you to DM them more often. That second one's more interesting to me that the first one, the first one just feels like an outcome of the staffing up. It used to be that companies were like, we're lean, we're mean, we're startups. We don't want to hire a lot of people. And that's why they'd look the other way because they didn't want to have to hire as many moderators. But Facebook has to hire a bunch of these moderators for all kinds of other reasons. Now you might as well have them not turn. Well, and I agree. I agree with you. In fact, I, you know, again, won't throw anybody out here specifically, but I have a lot of friends whose kids are for sure under 13 who have active Facebook accounts. I'm not reporting those accounts, but if I were to report them for some other reason, you know, let's just say, you know, some something happened from that account where I was like, this is not cool. Facebook would then be able to say, well, not only is it not cool, but this kid is under 13 by. If you can tell, I mean, some kids, right, exactly. Yeah, it seems to me that a lot of the stories that we are seeing from the social networks are indicative of kind of a maturing age for them as well. That I think that the Twitter bot purge was something that I felt was a sign of maturity from that company that had so, you know, harshly been judged for its growth rate, right? And so to kill, kill users is something that would kind of be anathema to them. This is something that you always have to be careful. And this is another Twitter lesson that the more you moderate, the more everybody wants you to moderate about other stuff, right? To prove that you can do anything is to prove you can do everything. But I think it is a necessary way to police your stated rules. And every medium has gone through it. Comics had the anti-violence television at one point didn't have any standards about what you could broadcast when and they went through controversies about it. They seem quaint now because it was about, you know, cowboys shooting guns and stuff like that. But at the time they're very serious. So this is this is analogous to that too. Bloomberg sources say Google's project fuchsia operating system is being designed to work better with voice interaction. That's one of the cores of it. It's also meant to handle frequent security updates which could help prevent fragmentation and it's supposed to look the same across devices from Internet of Things sensors all the way to laptops. Fuchsia also uses the Zircon kernel, not Linux. Google started posting Fuchsia code online in 2016, some of which is open source. Bloomberg sources say the plan is to put Fuchsia on connected home devices within three years, then move on to larger machines. The team intends Fuchsia to eventually replace Android within the next five years, although the executives haven't quite signed off on that because there's a lot of other parts of the company that are heavily invested in Android and how it works. So they have to figure all that yet. But the executives do support Fuchsia. So this will be an interesting one to watch. And also, why would Android not just, you know, the team that's in place working on Android not be doing what Project Fuchsia is supposed to replace the Android with? You know, five years is that may or may not happen. But for Android being such a big part of the operating system that, you know, the majority of the world uses, is that something that an Android user in five years is going to know about, oh, now I use Fuchsia, whereas that a slow integration into what already exists. I kind of feel like it's a swap out, right? If they imagine the people on Project Fuchsia are trying to figure out how to do it the way Chrome OS handles Android apps now, where you get an update and you're updating to a new operating system, essentially, but it'll still run all your apps in some kind of emulation or virtualization. I also think that Google in general has a history of competing ideas for where operating systems and stuff are going in the far future. And to their credit, they kind of let the strongest one win out. So we will see where Fuchsia goes. Alphabet's Loon said Thursday that it has reached its first commercial deal with Telecom Kenya. Loon will deploy its balloons and broadcast 4G internet service over rural and suburban areas in Kenya starting next year. Telecom Kenya is the country's third largest carrier behind SafariCom and Barty Airtel. Project Loon. It's finally happening. Yeah. Sorry, I got distracted because I thank you, W. Scottis one or I'm sorry, Ken from Chicago, who pointed out that CNET has a denial from Google saying there isn't a five year plan for Fuchsia described the OS as one of many experimental open source projects. Doesn't mean that the team doesn't still hope that they can do a replacement in five years. I think Google is just trying to calm the waters there and say, hey, don't don't worry, Android fans, your operating system is going to disappear in five years. OK, back to Loon. This is big because Project Wing, which was Facebook's internet from the air, has essentially been outsourced. They're trying to find other manufacturers. It's it's not quite grounded, but it's not flying. Project Loon has a customer. A lot of people didn't think this would ever. I almost want to say take off or get off the ground, whatever, right? Yeah, I think this would would last and and not only did it last, but Kenya is a vibrant internet market as you hear if you listen to DTNs regularly. So this is a good place to try this out. I mean, yes, and nothing you said is wrong. It is still the third place carrier in Kenya. Good good on them. We don't know the term. This is like T-Mobile, right? Safari comes like we're making so much money off and pasting. Why would we take a chance on this? Sure. Yeah. No, I we also don't know exactly how much money it's making. Would not shock me if it's not exactly. It's also not in place yet. This is this is, you know, this is a contract that's been put into place for it to be deployed next year. So we're going to have a much better sense of if people in rural or suburban areas with less with with with with bad coverage or less coverage. I know Google's future pretty much relies on making money out of Project Loon. But I have a feeling that that doesn't matter a lick alphabet. What they want to do is show that they can actually make a commercial service so that they can then shop it to other so they can then shut it down like they did their cable. No, they can give the people of Kenya better access. My goodness. Last half of the day. It's going to be one of those three. You know, it's not like it's not like they haven't done a bigger version of serving Internet to people that they then pull the plug up. That was Google. This is Loon. Loon is an alphabet company. It's a different. They're totally different just we've we've we've always been at war with these days. A report from the UK's Huawei Cyber Security Evaluation Center, which includes members of Britain's GSE HQ Intelligence Agency has lowered its assurance about risks from Huawei products to limit it. The new report says technical issues limit the ability to check internal product code. And there are also concerns about the security of components from outside suppliers. Huawei welcomed the report saying it shows the oversight process is working and has identified areas for improvement in its own engineering processes. This is going to be an interesting one to watch. I don't have a lot more to say about it other than it's a it's a big deal. This is a fairly understated report, but it's a big deal for this oversight committee, which is made up of people from Britain, even though it's called even though it was set up by Huawei. It was set up by Huawei said, put whoever you want on here to evaluate things so you feel all right about our stuff. So it's got people from the intelligence agencies on it for them to say limited assurance. They were saying we assure you if you use Huawei products, there are mitigations against any security problems was just a way to say it's a normal security situation like you'd have with any other product. There's nothing to worry about particularly. They've gone to we there's some code in there we can't see and that worries us. And there's a third party code that we're a little suspicious of. Huawei is doing all the right things and saying great, no, this is why we want you to do this so we can catch these problems when they happen. But it is going to raise a lot of eyebrows, especially when you have Australia trying to stop Huawei from being involved in building their networks when the U.S. is rattling their sabers more against ZTE these days. But definitely, you know, Huawei is on the target list as well. It does look like maybe the UK is starting to turn that way too. Yeah, this is a show me situation for Huawei, where they the onus is on them to prove that everything they are going to sell isn't backdoored to the Chinese military. Right. That's the fear founded or unfounded fear. And whether or not Huawei was doing that or not, of course, they're going to say, yes, we welcome this. We're glad that you're doing your due diligence. You know, it's that you have no other choice. Yeah, but that's what they want. They they they they need to demonstrate. They need to prove to the world that this is safe tech and not a Trojan horse to control the world. Yeah, which I think the fears are overblown, certainly. But this is the kind of story that catches my eye more than more than the U.S. or the Australia stories where it's more political. This is a very technical agency saying there's something worrisome here. And it's interesting to see Huawei not, you know, doing what they usually do is saying like these people, this is all politically motivated. They're saying, oh, no, good. Thank you for for catching that. So what happens next is like you say, Justin, it's very, very important. It's a it's a prove me situation. Folks, if you want to get all the tech headlines each day in about five minutes, be sure to subscribe to DailyTekHeadlines.com. All DC announced at San Diego Comic Con that its streaming service DC Universe will launch this autumn as a hub for everything DC. If you haven't heard about it, it's not just going to have TV and movies. It'll also have comics. You can even look at the comics on your television, which they were trying to say like comic reading can become a group activity. I'm not so sure about that, but you can also use it on mobile and stuff. There'll be an encyclopedia and a social platform. More on that in a second. DC Universe will cost you $8 a month or $75 if you want to pay for a whole year at once. So under the Netflix $10 amount, subscribers who pre-order get an additional three months free, DC is going to also produce five original shows for the platform, three live action and two animated in conjunction with Warner Brothers. They will have back catalog as well, like all the Christopher Reeve Superman movies are supposed to be on there. A lot of other animated stuff on there. The CW shows that are in the DC Universe will be available for rent or sale because they're kind of tied up with CW, but they will be somehow included. What caught my eye about this is DC reps talking about how the goal is to gather fans of DC under one roof to share their love of the Universe in a way that isn't done very well at places like Facebook and Twitter. They pointed a lot to their discussion forums, the ability to create and share lists of favorites, the encyclopedia entries, trending publications. They're still working out the details on this, but they're really trying to push this as, hey, if social media is too toxic for you, why not come into the DC Universe and be among friends. They do have experience of patrolling for toxic behavior and harassment and moderation from the DC All Access app, which is just kind of a news app that has forums and interaction there. So it's not like they're new to this, but I thought this was really interesting as a potential new trend that we're starting to see more of these kind of bundles that say it's not just video, it's also other items and the ability to interact with the people you know already like the thing you like. Well, this is sort of the thing that Facebook killed in the first place. Okay, if I'm thinking of what's something that I have in common with with with other humans that I'd want to talk about all the time. I don't know, animal lovers, right? There used to be Catster and Dogster. And the founder of those networks said, yeah, when Facebook came around, it just killed all of that stuff because you could create a interest group within Facebook that just decimated us. Now, that sort of like a web 2.0 to 3.0 type of a thing. And we're talking about something a little bit different. And obviously, the DC universe, somebody who's a, you know, not only a comics fan, but particularly DC. This is a very strong common threads that people have. I also happened to when I first moved to LA a couple of years ago, I worked for Lionsgate in a comic book themed SVOD department. It was a very tough sell, even though the library that Lionsgate had access to was pretty robust. It was it's a hard sell to say we have a lot of the stuff that Netflix or Hulu or, you know, or even free options have. But it's more about the community, you know, like this is the place that you really want to be because the social element has to be so strong and so, you know, it has to be set to the users in a certain way that really feels like this is going to be a safe place for people that actually have more in common with you than the places that you're so used to, especially because it's not free. It's not Netflix numbers. But, you know, for $8 a month, this is not this is something that you really have to sell to people as the destination. And it's a very crowded market. Yeah. 799 is an interesting price point cheaper than Netflix. It seems to come in under that 999 sort of a Rubicon of, you know, above which is too expensive below which is considered a bargain. The fact that they have their live action both in library and currently airing is very interesting. I think that's probably where they're going to get their biggest traction. I was not in love with the trailer for their original Titans show that that hit. Why not? It felt a little bit edgelordy. If, you know, there was very dark and gritty. And there was a lot of people in colorful costumes spraying a lot of arterial blood. An F word was dropped. You know, it was it was it was in a way that didn't didn't draw you unnecessarily. Are you a DC fan? Sure. I mean, I like DC stuff when it's I like good characters. I you know, I to me, yes, the obvious thing to look at is Titan. That's the big of the five. And that's the trailer and that's the flashy thing. But what's going to happen if this goes the way I think it will go is people who unhesitatingly say, Yes, I'm a DC fan who look at Titan and go, Yeah, no, I definitely want to see that I'm signing up because I want to see that Roger is one of those people. Roger, you said immediately like I'm going to get this because I want to watch Titan, right? I am. So this is the thing. And I think you're all actually touching upon the same thing is that there are aspects of being inclusive with your brand, which in this case is DC with our content. But you also need to be wary of being a I would think of misinterpreting, you know, your popularity for for for your content and thinking you can just run solely on, you know, this level of time. This might have appeal initially, but if they cannot continually offer new interesting unique items on this service, whether it's live action, animated comics, whatever, or or community events or anything like that. What I what I predict will happen is you'll have a big interest at first that will slowly wane over time because, you know, people who are interested in this kind of content are typically not brand specific, right? You can be a DC fan that reads Marvel comics that picks up, you know, the occasional hellboy from Dark Horse. That's who they're after. I again, I think Titan can absolutely fail in the public, kind of like Netflix shows often fail to the public and do well for this. I also think DC Universe could totally fail for all kinds of reasons, but still be the beginning of a trend where people will say, you know what, I do want to hang out here because I'm guaranteed to have people talking about things that I care about and not talking about things that anger me or I don't care about like on Facebook or Twitter. And because it's for pay, it's going to keep a lot of the trolls out who just fly by and keep out. Right, there probably aren't going to be a lot of people in the social area of DC Universe arguing that Marvel is better because why? Well, I mean, that there's something there's something to be said about having a special interest only venue for these things that doesn't get, you know, toxified by outsiders, brigading or just kind of tangential comments or topics that really don't have anything to do with why 90% of the people are there. But I think I mean, the dangers of all this stuff is you need to I mean, you know, they they probably might have a list an arm long of content they want to put out, but it needs to be continually refreshed for, you know, for to the long term for for to kind of have any staying power, because then people say, hey, you know what? If they offer if they offer me to buy tight or buy tight into season, I don't need to subscribe, just buy this. I'll just buy that. Right. Or I'll honestly subscription services take that risk all the time. And they usually win because people are more likely to leave a subscription going or not using. But even even Netflix knows that they need to continually pump in new content. And to assume that they do that, though, like that's what all subscription services know they need to do. Let's go back to to Justin. I don't think it matters if Titan has a bad face. What matters is something of what Roger's saying is they need to keep people interested because where it succeeds is people realizing, oh, I go here every day. Yes, I agree. I don't think that Titans is make or break. I do think that if they want to be a destination for original content, then something needs to hit, right? Like and Titans may or may not be it. But if they if that's what they want to hang their hat on. Yes. If they want to be the best forum for DC fans to talk, then the fact that you can rent the more popular or purchase the more popular CW shows and then have a place where you can talk about them with like minded fans is interesting. But if it's a paywall, it will never be the people's forum. It will never be both. I think this is I think this could possibly be the birth of a new form that could be the thing we've been waiting to threaten the Facebook's and Twitter's of the world and an offshoot of the domination of Netflix. I think that you are 100 percent correct in that the scale that Facebook brought to these groups has made them untenable to some fans. I am included in them. All my interests, they have Facebook groups. I've tried to join them. I found them all very aggravating, very, very quick, except ours, of course. Obviously. Yeah. And they bother me personally. So if there were a place where I could have these conversations that I enjoyed, sure. But man, boomerang of social is coming back. Betting on that shared interests, betting on that is very hard. Also, release the Snyder cut, you cowards. Maybe what they do. I mean, one of the big let's move on to our mailbag segment, Christian Vondergaard, who is from Trondheim, Norway and says it's suspiciously warm there, has an interesting little anecdote for us to to kick around. He says in Norway, an MBNO called Chilly Mobile launched a new cell subscription with an unlimited data plan, except that unlimited in this case is 1000 gigabytes, which Norwegian Consumer Council has said, OK, you can still call that unlimited. Christian says, this isn't the issue, though. The issue is that Chilly has included a clause in their terms and conditions that you are not allowed to use the subscription for tethering. Now the Norwegian Communications Authority is investigating if this clause violates net neutrality principles, because it argues you shouldn't be able to limit what devices can use a connection as this violates the right to choose your own terminal equipment. Do you have any takes? You are not allowed. Yeah, see, tethering is not that in the US is not considered to be used to that. Yeah, it's not considered to be a problem, but a lot of people make the same argument that it should be. We have such a a lot of other issues queued up in front of it that it doesn't get the heat it does. But I have always felt that, yes, if you have a device that you want to hook up to the network and use the connection you're paying for, you should be allowed to use it. Unfortunately, you know, the the way the system works, they can tell if you're using a phone and so they can put a meter on it if they want. And then you have to you have to have rules and law brought in because it's not a natural system like Ethernet. Network address translation was created because, hey, this is a great way to keep them from being able to meter you by device. They were worried that connector that that ISPs would charge you by device and Ethernet network address translation allowed that to not be possible. I think this is the MVNO trying to have its cake and eat it too. If you want to call it unlimited and not just, hey, here's the best price on a thousand gigabytes, then you are going to get yourselves into trouble where it's like either you can say, look, here's a great price on a thousand gigabytes, no tethering. You can make that rule if you want. But if you call it unlimited, it's a different story. Yeah. Well, thanks to Christian for giving us a little insight on regional issues. We might not have known about otherwise. Thanks to everybody who participates in our subreddit dailytechnewshow.reddit.com. We mentioned we are a Facebook group, facebook.com slash groups daily tech news show and last but certainly not least. Thanks to Justin Robert Young for being here on this fine Thursday. Justin, what's new? Well, folks, you can go ahead and sign up for my free political newsletter. You can find it at freepoliticalnewsletter.com. Sign up for it. It comes to you five days a week. 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No, you slipped it back in. That was clever. All right. Hey, what should we call this episode? Let's see. It was a really good episode. It deserves a really good name. Blame the membrane. Ah. You blame in the membrane, except we barely talked about it. You also didn't really blame it. There's Batman and the F-bombing Robin. I mean, I know Justin mentioned there was an F-bomb in the Titan trailer. But he didn't call himself Robin while doing it. Yeah. I mean, he had he throws the Robin logo at a wall. 99 order special kits unit. That just doesn't sound right. But I like your style, Ken, from Chicago. 99 Google Loons go by. That's my favorite so far. That one's good. Up, up and away in my Google Loon. It's an alphabet loon, though. Yeah. Well, we could just call my alphabet loan. 99 alphabet loons go by Google Loons just fits the meter so well. What if we could we say Kenyon Loons? Oh, Kenyon Loons. Is that too hard to interpret comedy show? We're not calling Kenyon's a bunch of loons. No. No, I mean, I immediately regret it. 99 of Kenyon's Loons. No. No, 99 of Kenyon's Loons. And it's just like, it's just like the further we get into this little hole, the more I'm like, mm, mm, no spotty check. Hey, no. You must be this tall to Facebook's not bad. That one's OK. But also like it's not a new rule. It's a DC universe. Oh, yeah. Nobody, nobody had any DC jokes. It's like they ran out of title juice halfway through the show. Yeah, it was because our conversation was so riveting. That's right. Warner Brothers is going to save us because they own us. Come on, Zoe. Spotty Chang. I feel like 99 we could figure this out where we don't honestly here to make fun of the country of Kenya. I think we could just say 99 Google Loons go by and just be like, it's a headline. But wouldn't we say Alphabet Loons or. Yeah, it's not. What if it's 99 Alphabet Loons go fly? It's like a kids song, then. 99 Alphabet Loons. I just thought so much about, you know, kids under 13 on Facebook. Right. I'm really trying to make sure I'm inclusive to the post millennial gen, whatever they are. Who's on the show? Snyder Snyder Snyder. It's so funny because you can tell you can see his fingerprints all over that trailer. 99 Project Loons go by. Good, good, good. Because it's it's now Loone, but it was Project Loone. Right. That's that's what it was called. Yeah. So that's actually accurate. Oh, good. Project Loons go by. Oh, I got I just got one of my favorite emails that I get when someone who is, let's just say, not super technical, definitely don't don't doesn't understand like what an RSS feed does. And that's fine. A lot of people. But that person saying to me, hey, I don't understand any of these numbers. Can you just tell us how many people are listening to our podcast? Is one of the numbers? How many people that email being sent to me is like from the person who sent the emails, like, I'm just I'm just asking, this is all very technical. Just, you know, laymen's trans it for me. And I'm like, oh, where do we start? We need like an offsite retreat for three days to talk about how you would arrive at a number for a podcast if you really need to be duped or in meat. Or yeah, streaming versus downloads. Firm listens versus downloads. Yeah. Yeah. Now, do you ever answer? Well, I don't just like ignore them. These are people I work with. But but this is, you know, my and this is not the first time someone's been like, you know, make some sense of this for me, where I'm like, it's actually, you know, it's not just like inside baseball. It's like, these are numbers that, you know, there is not really an industry standard. There are companies that do a pretty good job that is industry accepted as like an aggregate number that at least like as an advertiser, you could be like, OK, I have a good sense of whether this podcast is popular versus not, you know, or who the audience might be. But there is no you don't. Here's the thing, though. They just want a number. They don't care about it. Yeah. So to me, I'm like, I can give you lots of different numbers. Like, do you want a high number because you're trying to impress somebody? Or do you want like a real like this is realistically more of the number, which is, you know, it's it's there is no solid matter. And my initial thought is reflexively like not today, say I'm not going to send that you're going to be mad at and I'm the best you're going to have told you a number. It's a very loaded email, isn't it? Yeah. I'm like, what do you want? Do you want to seem like success or? Do you want to be? It reminds me of this email that I got from a listener, which we get these emails pretty regularly, like, hey, your podcast is an updating in my thing. And then I start the process of like, which thing, which feed we have several days, you might know which one they're talking about. And this one pretty quickly, the guy's like, oh, it's SoundCloud. And I'm like, ah, easy answer. We don't update to SoundCloud anymore. I didn't realize anyone was using the SoundCloud RSS feed because we never promote that. So I'm like, sorry about that. Here, try this feed. And I gave him the actual audio feed of the public one. And he wrote, Ha, thanks, Tom. I may be in the telecom field, but not on the IT side. Ask me anything you want about cell towers and antenna placement. But RSS feeds are strange and wondrous creatures that inspire great mystery for me, which I thought was the best response ever because cell tower and antenna placement is full of wondrous mystery for me. So, you know, I'm I'm pretty, you know, I'm well aware that because of our line of work, I do understand all of the stuff, but I do think half the time it's extremely clunky. And I know that I can't explain it to just anybody. So it's like, this is not something where I'm like, just pay attention. Why are you listening? This is hard. It's like it's a concept that doesn't make a lot of sense to a lot of people and they don't need to spend too much time worrying about it because it doesn't work that well for us either. It's just there is a there's a format, at least that I use. So it's like, yeah, I can give you a ballpark number, but you can't. I don't know. You can't. It's harder than it sounds. It's like Nielsen ratings. Sure. You know, I mean, we don't have you don't have accurate numbers ever. That's just the accepted way that advertisers, you know, decide what to spend money on. Yeah. So true. So true. I'm going to watch only smart shows. So Nielsen thinks Americans all watch smart shows. That's right. You're a smart show. The whole thing on the on an episode of Roseanne when. Who became a Neil? I think he became a Nielsen household. And they're like, oh, we got a game. It's so that, you know, old Roseanne then. OK. An old Roseanne from like the old days. Hey, I figured out now that we're using a different CDN. We're using a cast for the CDN. I figured out a new way to script the feeds. Hey, the old way. The old way to script the feeds was I would not notice that the URL I was pulling out of the SoundCloud feed was actually the Daily Tech headlines, not DTNS. And I'd accidentally put Daily Tech headlines into the DTNS feed. And then I'd have to go to replace it. Now what I did is I'd forgot I didn't notice that I was still in the Daily Tech headlines screen and I uploaded Daily Tech news show to the Daily Tech headlines feed. So the solution is just think about it more. It's a lot easier to fix. I just go delete the show from the Daily Tech headlines feed and then uploaded it to DTNS. Yeah, that's why I was late. With an ACAST, yeah, it's if you weren't paying attention because the only time I'm an ACAST is for headlines currently, right? So I'm like, I never, I'm never going to choose the other one. And ACAST actually makes it really easy. It has screen lines. Yeah, yeah, yeah. So I think it was Alan Char. I was like, isn't that bad? If it's easy to fix, you won't be punished enough to keep me. I'm like, no, it's stress that makes me make mistakes. So making it easy to fix will help, I think. The punishment does not fit the crime, Alan. You can't do the time. Don't make the typo. Oh, well, you know, three strikes and you're out, Tom. Yeah, I know. To carriage return for you. That were true. I would have been done with the show a long time ago. Right, I know. I'm like, oh, did I just say something dumb again? I was in prison a long time ago. Right. Did I did I upload to the wrong feed again for the 15th time? Right. But no. Indeed not. Hi, ho. Hi. Remains as a scene, how well the show does. I will stick through it for, like, the first four episodes. Which show are we talking about? I'm talking about Titan. Or the Titans. OK. Part of what bugs me is this is kind of an ongoing trend with DC's live action universe is everything needs to be gritty. Dark and gritty. You'll never believe that this is finally the dark version of the story. No, it probably is. It just kind of sucks the fun out of a lot of it. I mean, there's one reason why I think Berlety did went the way he did with the Flash and Supergirls because like, hey, we'll just make a little more upbeat and less of the like brooding. I got a I have like, you know, Arrowverse situation where everyone just literally has a hang up, some sort of flaw that like impedes their growth and it's like after all, it's not it's not fun. Oh, just that side has been stripped mind. You know, the the really the idea of the gritty super hero is the the supernova that really kind of born out of the born out of was this modern pop culture trend. Right. It was Blade being taken seriously. It was X-Men being treated seriously and in that case. And then of course Dark Knight probably is like the the zenith of it. But those were kind of reacting to the like Roger Corman Fantastic Four's and even even in the critically acclaimed like the Christopher Reeves Superman's, which were silly and fun. But now I just feel like we're just far beyond that. Like now it is it is the rule. It is not the exception anymore that like the heroes have to be although Marvel Marvel does silly and fun. And I feel like that's what's pushing DC to stay gritty is like, well, we have to be different because Marvel does that. So this is the thing. Like there was a I mean at least in Congress, there's a notable shift after the Silver Age when the Silver Age was the period when Superman would go go off to other planets and help them solve problems. And Batman had like five billion different gizmos for everything. And people were like, well, no, it's unrealistic. It's a little kind of a little too far fantastic. So let's make it a little more human. And I think a lot of it was like, well, we got to give them more angst. Like, you know, we got to imagine ourselves as these heroes. Well, we think of in this situation. And so it was kind of a reaction to the Silver Age where things, you know, that's where Tony Tony Stark, you know, as a character from Iron Man, hey, let's let's make him like let's make him flawed. He's going to be an alcoholic. Right. Let's make Steve Rogers flawed when he comes out because he was brought in from a period from the 40s into one that he doesn't quite fully understand when he was the when he was iced out, unfrozen into the 60s. He didn't understand there was a counterculture movement. Everything wasn't, you know, the north wasn't north, south wasn't south. And things weren't necessarily the way they were supposed. He thought they were supposed to be the problem is like especially movies. TV is, you know, there's a give and take. But with movies, there was always kind of a campy atmosphere that they tried to put in it. Even with the first Michael Keaton movie, there was a campy atmosphere to it. I mean, they tried to make it dark and gritty, but it was campy. Like if you watch it now, you're like, you know, it's pretty obvious. Well, but it's obvious that it was directed by the same guy you did Beetlejuice. Yeah. Right. Like that's Tim Burton's aesthetic. But that's what I mean. Like they purposely sought that out because they thought when you had the term comic book or it was a franchise brought over from a comic book, I mean, Dick Tracy suffered from that. There was a period of time where comic books were just considered to be a very kind of juvenile facing kind of thing. And that's kind of what you aimed in the kind of direction of the material. As that segment aged, you know, people thought like, well, people kind of want like a wired except with superheroes. It's like, well, yeah, no. Like some cases, yes. Not everything needs to be like that because there's no contrast or no differentiation. There's no texture to the world. Right. If everything's gritty and dark, I mean, it just it seems kind of man bland in a way. Yeah, I I don't know how many more times we need to see a darker, more slow motion version of a hero's origin story, which I think to me kind of typifies the worst of DC's storytelling. And we get as like the first 30 seconds of that titan trailer. But this time with, you know, the flying Grayson's, I don't think that in this very mature world of comic book entertainment, if that's the selling point anymore, you know, like we I want to know about what Dick Grayson is doing now. I want to know what is what the complications are in his life. Now I don't need to see yet another slow motion reason why he's sad. Well, yeah. And I think I mean, it's not to say that, you know, Kira shouldn't have problems. I think there's a there's a great Captain Marvel one where she basically I mean, it's a limited edition run in the first issue came up but where she goes back home and she has to deal with her family life. It's not like this universe expanding issue. It's just a very personal one that involves her mother, her brother and her and her dead father, like she had, you know, father issues and stuff. But she also has she feels like she's an obligation to them. So in a way it humanizes it, but it's not like this constant brooding, like, you know, there's just a brood, like that's for some reason the DC universe. That's how you show there's complexity and and, you know, I guess feelings in the world is when everyone broods or is angsty. But even then thanks to you that we haven't wrapped up the video. So thanks everyone for watching. If you want to hear more of this conversation, though, check out Good Day Internet and your Patreon RSS feed. Audio listeners, stick around.