 So she she has this big conversion, but in terms of this statue, it's a little tiny thing, isn't it? Do I remember right? I think I've seen it in Spain. Okay. I remember it slightly bigger, but but it's not a life size. Yeah, it's not a big thing. Yeah, and but but somehow when she encountered that statue, you know, it's the it's the Eche Wilmo is the statue where Jesus has been scourged. And mocked and and the crown of thorns has been placed on his head, read in his hand and pilot. He's pulled out in front of the crowds and pilot says, behold the man. And so it's the humiliated, mocked, beaten, abandoned, denied, betrayed Jesus. And I go ahead. So, you know, he this Jesus who suffered so much is the threshold into mental prayer for Saint, Saint Teresa of Avila, Saint Teresa de Jesus. Now, and when you say threshold, I think so she was wrestling with prayer. You know, she did read the book. It did help her. She read these other texts that you describe. She was fluctuating in and out. But in my mind, what helped her and correct me if I'm wrong, what helped her to have this encounter. So, you know, there might be some people out there thinking, well, gosh, I sure love that kind of an encounter. In some ways, the progress of mental prayer, let's say from discurses, like thinking about the text in Jesus in scripture and that sort of thing. From that kind of prayer to affective prayer where then the, the, I wanted to say the emotional component, because what is happening in our mind actually reaches our heart and begins to spill over into our humanity, right. And then, but this, would you put this in the category of affective prayer and experience in that kind of deeper meditation, let's say, or is, or do you put this in the realm of a mystical vision kind of an encounter. Well, it can be many things at the same time. Yeah. And so we make these distinctions to try to understand different kinds of graces, but the way they, the graces are communicated to you, they're kind of multivalent realities. And so I think probably when, you know, when you're dealing with a statue, you're dealing with a form of prayer that is called composition of place, exterior composition of places. When you have a beautiful work of art that's before you, that moves your heart to devotion. So it's a sacramental, you know, and so she was dealing with a sacramental and that's that's certainly at play here. But her experience of this sacramental went over and above what a sacramental usually does. The love of Christ, who suffered for her, all this humiliation so that she might be able to have a friendship with him. Her bridegroom, all of a sudden, wasn't an idea or an abstraction, but another, a real person before her vulnerable. And he was inviting her, her vulnerability invited her to be vulnerable with him. And so there's something of a mystical grace there. There's something, perhaps there's something extraordinary there. There's definitely something affective that you've said, but something that has also entered into her imagination and stamped her intellect. All this kind of fires together in this moment where another way to look at this grace is, you know, what's her response to this grace? It's compunction, you know, she's pierced to the heart by how much Jesus and his vulnerability has loved her. Well, this is the highway, the pathway into the heart of the Father is to be pierced by the revelation of his love and the suffering of his son. Yes, she said in her autobiography, I've seen clearly that it is by this door that we must enter if we wish to sovereign majesty to show us his great secrets. This door is of course meditating on the humanity of Jesus. What does it mean? So we've been, obviously we're using Teresa of Abel as the backdrop because this was, you know, such a huge part of her conversion and very much a part of your life and my life in terms of her influence on us and all that we do is quite significant. But what is, what is, what does it mean to meditate on the humanity of Jesus? And I think, of course, it begs the question, as compared to the divinity of Jesus. Okay. Well, okay, if I, if I could back up because this is actually going to answer your question, but you know, this isn't a, this is a very vital question. Can you contemplate the divinity of Jesus without his humanity? And the answer is no. We only know his divinity through his humanity. That's how God has chosen to reveal himself to us. But, but to back up a little bit, what was the doorway that helped Teresa enter into the humanity of Jesus? And, and I'm speculating here. And so this is an area people could disagree with me, but I think it was the death of her father. If you read the life, you'll discover the father began to go to his daughter to seek spiritual counsel. And she actually, because of reading the spiritual alphabet was pretty conversant with the spiritual, with mental prayer and the practices that sustained it. So she gave him that information. He took it to heart and began to live it. And, and one day in one of their conversations, he asked her, you know, when this happens in prayer, when this happens in prayer.