 Or is it's not like when does a hat when this is me got a cereal? Oh check out that cereal hack What so you pour it on first and then oh my god? I used to pour the milk and add the cereal after yeah, I we had a discussion about that in my channel And I think those people are awful Like I can't I can't comprehend how that works, but but there's a lot of people who do it What cereal after milk? Yeah, they put the milk in and then well, I'm a heretic. I'm the one I'm not gonna throw stones I don't put milk in my cereal at all. So you okay. Yeah, he puts half Water, I don't know nothing. I just eat a dry. I used to put ice cream in I told you I'm no standing to criticize anything in this conversation Roger you don't get away with that one. What did you just say? I heard that But vanilla ice cream with cereal. No, what? No, no, wait a minute wait a minute Daily ritual No, I don't eat cereal on a daily basis on the odd occasion when I have occasionally put ice cream with cereal Okay, yes, that's different. That's called a topping No, I mean like instead of milk No That's just a dessert. That's not that's not Same class like a Danish is a breakfast not a dessert Excuse me Danish. It can be whatever he wants to be Free will Sco I have a little Scandinavian in me, but I don't know Muffin can be and you eat a muffin anytime Now bagel only breakfast or else you're dead. Oh, no break off for lunch Not for dinner. You can do bagel for lunch. Is that in New York, New York Like you you do the savory bagel for lunch. Yeah, sure. Okay. I think I think that's all right. Maybe a bagel New Yorkers you tell us. Yes Longest bagel for lunch. She's I Am so waiting to hear To you like an hour ago. It's Locks is a salmon two hours ago. Oh She might be running to find a location to help. Yeah, I could be Crazy crazy. Oh one other thing I wanted to Let you know Lamar. So you see the numbers on row 18 19 20 Those little numbers in the gray dark ranks. That's that's the time code for me. So For example when the time hits 134 I'm gonna throw yellow up on this bar Telling you have basically a minute left and to wrap up whatever you're talking about and then red What means you move on to the next topic? Oh, you expect me to actually follow this outline, okay? Okay, that's interesting. Well, just just in case you see it and you're freaked out Especially today because we're I want to move through the non-mobile world congress stuff a little faster. I understand There's no problem. Cool. I'm assuming you're doing all the reading, right? Yeah, okay. No problem. That was easier unless you want to now because you know you in four years You've never asked me to read like you assume I can't read I Think this stuff is a pain in the ass for people. That's why I don't ask and all this fuck Do you want to read? No, that's no cuz I'm offended. That's why I didn't ask no But I'm gonna I would like to in the future But you've you've only had me do it once and you were like you I thought you're like man Lamar is horrible I Fair why am I making people do this? I honestly felt I like failed audition and and next time if I don't ask you I will be happy to have you read Thank you. I see this is one of those things where I'm I look at it and I'm like, huh Who wants to have to read this stuff? It's more fun to talk about it. Yeah. I like reading RIF Reading is fun This is fundamental. Yeah, well, you know, I was a classroom teacher. Yeah, so it's like we had to say that all the time It's fundamental. You didn't happen to watch a p bio. Did you? They premiered it yesterday. No What is that? It's not as good as I wanted it to be it's one of the guys from always sunny in Philadelphia plays a philosophy a Doctorate holder who is teaching a p bio in a high school and hates it. Okay? No, I and Pat was the principal Okay, that's why Not as really watching me see shows like I refuse to watch NBC. No, no, it's not that ever Because you're afraid of peacocks No, yeah ever since they were gonna cancel timeless. I just said I'm never going back. Oh, wow. What's back? It's coming. Yeah. Yeah, no, but they always threaten to cancel shows that I get into. All right We will give five minutes before we just go ahead and start without Miriam. Okay See Probably right Rogers probably run into the fine up. She's here. Oh, look at that We said her name three times and she appeared Hey, folks, hey, how's it going? I just Yeah, I just want Yeah, that that bandwidth just crept out. Can you guys hear me? Okay? We can hear you now You your bandwidth went out. I would I would suggest lowering the bandwidth down in the hangout settings You can what do I do that? So you go to the top and a little pop-up toolbar will show up and then there's one that looks like the bars for a cell phone It says adjust bandwidth usage click on that and then adjust it down to Low or very low or close the window Which you just now made her do yeah Now At least we know she's here Yep Looks like she was in a stable location I've never been a bar. Uh, I I'm gonna go one year in mobile world congress I've never been to mobile world congress either. I've been to Barcelona, but just for He's booted me out when I did that Well, that's yeah, actually, you know, if you don't mind not having uh, yeah, that's that's good right there Um How's that? Can you guys hear me? Okay? I'm on a really fast lt connection like 50 megabits symmetric right now So I don't know why it would be bad You know, it was probably just the beginning connection because it seems like it's stabilizing now Okay. Yeah So that's good, right? Um in terms of picking the right mic. How do I know I've got the right mark? I think I do I got it. You sound good. Am I frozen? Yes. Yeah are your video frozen? Yeah, I don't know what just happened All right But yeah, mirror me sound good Okay, good. Yeah, I'm on a have a condenser mic here right next to my laptop. Do you want to tap that mic? Tap the condenser mic the the top of it Yep, you're okay. Um, it's a little echo in here, but there's nothing I can do about now You can tell you're in a room, but it's it's it's good. We can as long as you're intelligible like we can understand Okay, cool. And my video is not going to be hd simply because this is a mac book. So it's 640 640 by this vga. They say don't worry about that. Okay, fine. Now. We just need lamar to come back in They're all come together Okay Hey, are you not getting video for me? No, I still don't see video for you Okay, I didn't touch anything. That's a dirt problem. That is weird. Yeah. All right. Some of the some of the google's just They're just messing with us right now Messing with us like my camera's on and I didn't touch anything And it shows it shows in the settings that your camera's there Yeah, the lights on the camera Let me go to settings. Hold on one second. The goo the hangout setting. It's not there. Yeah. Yeah. I'm about to I'm about to leave now It was on the other camera Now let's see Ah Why would this happen right when he shows about the story? I'm so sorry. I didn't I didn't touch Well, it was all working just fine. So we didn't yeah something glitched out because it wasn't it didn't just go black It went like green pixely like weirdness so You know I We can do the show audio only. That's fine If you're if you're okay with that lamar Can you see us? There you go Okay, oh look at that. Hey I'm not touching anything my hands are right here the whole time All right Well, let's get going before we we lose this mojo. Here we go And three two Daily tech news show is powered by you to find out more head to daily tech news show dot com slash support This is the daily tech news for monday february 26 2018 from dts headquarters in los angeles. I'm tom merit And from an undisclosed location in la county. I'm lamar wilson Uh, thank you lamar. Sarah has the day off. We miss her. She'll be back tomorrow Uh, but joining us from barcelona is miriam joir Uh host of the mobile tech podcast a lovely, uh choice of a name miriam. Thanks for joining us Thanks so much for having me. It's a pleasure tom I like having uh, I like having shows that are named exactly after what they are obviously simple, right? I mean You know what you're getting All right, uh, we are going to talk quite a bit about mobile world congress in just a bit But let's start with a few tech things you should know Bloomberg reports their sources say apple will release three new iPhones this year Just like last year phones will be about the same size though Thinner bezels meaning larger screens some of the iphone 10's unique features Also make their way into other models. Uh, none of this should sound surprising really, but it's mark german. He's good with these links Qualcomm's chairman paul jacob's sent a letter to broadcom ceo hock tan saying qualcomm is now willing to be acquired by broadcom if The two companies can agree on a price Broadcom recently lowered their offer to 79 dollars a share Qualcomm says that undervalues the com company and a statement broadcom says it doesn't believe qualcomm is sincere Calling the letter engagement theater The latest version of apple's ios security guide replaces a reference to relying on microsoft azure for remote data storage With a reference to google cloud which raised a lot of eyebrows Uh, the reference to amazon web services is still there in both the old and the new versions All right, let's talk a little bit more about the supreme court Yes, this week the supreme court will hear arguments in a case between microsoft and the us department of justice Over emails wanted in relation to a drug trafficking case that are stored on a server in ireland Now the us believes that a warrant is all they need to get microsoft to hand over the data because microsoft's a us company microsoft argues that since the data is stored in ireland Only an irish government entity can order the handover The court is expected to issue a ruling on the case by the end of june So we're not going to hear about this anytime soon. Are we? No, i don't think so and and i think microsoft might have an edge here You think about all these companies like apple or microsoft who Has loads of cash billions of dollars overseas and why do they have it because the us can't Tax it until they bring it over. So i think there's a there's a good argument here that you know, the us can't reach into another Foreign government governments, you know servers just for their use Yeah, maria. I mean you're you're in europe right now, and i know a lot of europeans Would be less likely to want to use services From a company in the us if they felt like that data could be grabbed by the us at any time Yeah, i mean, you know, i obviously don't know the details exactly of what their policies are But i think that it's been very clear over the years that they've shown that they're very privacy, uh, you know savvy or Maybe maybe paranoid at times, but i think you know it matters to them and obviously they would let that happen apple is making security updates to its itunes service that mean it won't work with older devices Among the now obsolete devices are the 11 year old original apple tv You'll still be able to use it. You just won't be able to connect it to itunes anymore As well as devices running windows xp and windows vista the update will cut off the devices starting may 25th So you have you have until may 25th to make your plans Do do any of these cutoffs? Rub you guys the wrong way or does it feel like these are old devices? You can't expect the service to work with them forever well, i i think the The only one i would probably argue with would be the apple tv because you bought that with the explicit Intention of using itunes on it. So they you know, they still should be bare bones itunes On their face before windows x vista. I still know no shame you didn't have those already It's like the modal article. Why are you still using xp and vista? Stop it. Just stop it right now I mean, I don't know mary. I kind of feel that way about the apple tv too though Yeah, I mean, I don't think it's a problem 11 years. Are you kidding me? Why are you still doing with an apple tv that's 11 years old? I mean, they're so cheap just get a new one, you know I just bought a used third gen from someone for 69 dollars like it does 1080p. It's perfectly fine like come on This is really just who cares, you know, I just realized my apple tv is right over there the original in a box Not being used. I mean you could still airplay to it. I guess I mean, it's fun. You can you can use it to do some fun projects It's an intel-based pc. Essentially. So we purpose it for something fun, you know youtube announced the launch of live automatic captions on video as well as the ability to replay chat from the live stream When you go watch it later you get the same chat that happened when it was live youtube says it's using live automatic speech Recognition to serve captions on live streams that aren't already professionally captioned each will roll out on youtube live in the following weeks Uh, of course, we stream live on youtube. We we have a different chat room on irc So we won't take advantage of that But we could definitely use the live captions. Lamar. Is this something that is going to help you The the live captions are huge because I always assumed they were doing this already because Like the article said a few years ago, they rolled out captions and then I don't see them anymore You know, I know a lot of professional companies are you know, youtubers are hiring them to put captions out in different languages Etc. I just assumed google was automatically translating all my videos in or not And so I get people a matter of fact yesterday's video Someone said from spain was like man. I wish this was in spanish or I get it somebody from france I wish the video wasn't in french. They don't speak english or they don't understand me So I i'm very happy this is coming out. I was really frustrated because I don't know how to caption I don't know who would take the time to caption some of my craziness and in a video. So That one is good the live the live stream part You know, I I think if you if you want to feel like You're watching a live show. I think that's cool. It's anything that just kind of tricks the eye You can't really you can't really talk with the chat while they're talking. So I'm not really sure about that one Well, the uh, you mentioned two different things one is translation as well as captioning Which is which is a cool cool side effect of having the captions. You might be able to do some automatic translation on them Uh, and you can you can go and enable those captions after the fact but it takes a while for them to be generated There's arguments about whether they're really Any good or not still? Yeah I'm very curious to see how good they are live To be able to do this. Miriam. What do you think? I think it's I mean anything that improves Accessibility for people is a good thing. I think a live stream is really needed That's the hardest part to do, right? So I think this is a good thing and as as you lemar suggested if it evolves into real-time translation Which for google would be trivial. I think yeah, why not? Why not? This is great. No, very cool. All right We're going to talk about mobile world congress. We'll go through some of the biggest announcements But let's start Miriam with your overall impressions Wandering around the floor getting your hands on a few of these devices. What's catching your eye? I mean, I think the trend is clear that the mid-range is where the battles are being fought now And more importantly that some things we kind of saw coming already so this might not surprise some of your listeners, but The 18 by 9 bezel lists or you know, whatever you want to call it ultra wide screen Display trend is definitely here to stay We're seeing more and more phones even at the low and now that are almost full screen And you know, we we put replace the fingerprint reader in the back etc etc lots of those around You know and at the high end more and more facial recognition Obviously, nobody's matched face ID yet in terms of technology But I think it's only a matter of time. So it's it's been you know, it's been the normal mwc show I've been doing it for about a decade. So, you know, it's a little jaded now But I think that it's it's a good show, but it's not like wow I'm not wowed by anything in particular. Yeah, okay. Can I ask you Miriam? Is it okay? So can I ask her a question question? Yeah, so I'm curious you've done this for 10 years Don't you see it as a I'm kind of feel sorry for all these manufacturers in a way because You know at some point, what do you do with the rectangle? You know, you know, like like how much more can you innovate it? But you have this audience Who is as furious I was watching Yesterday or the other day about the s9 and people like oh, it looks exactly the same I was like, well, what what can't what are they supposed to do with the with the actual phone? I think that's that's the biggest Challenge for me. I feel bad for them because I don't know where I don't know where you take it The next level well, there's a few things, you know, they're coming Android p which is going to be coming out in the summer or you know after google ios sometime We'll be supporting notches in the display and also circular display So we might so I started seeing some smartphones that are different form factors like not necessarily Even rectangles was rounded corners, which was what we have on some phones like last year's g6 Um, but I think more importantly, you know, there's some fun stuff going on one of the most fun You know a phone of the show wasn't a smartphone. It was the nokia 81 10 for which is a Reissue of the matrix slash banana phone From the late 90s and and it's you know, it's a feature phone. There's nothing to it It's got 4 glt it can be used as hotspot But the form factor is fun and I think some people are going to dig that Especially if you want to disconnect for the weekend Just be able to take a few photos with a decent camera and stay connected by voice calls That's your phone, right? It's 79 euros. It's it's a bargain So I think there is you know, sure the the smartphone slab is is there, but it's evolving I mean you see a Samsung galaxy now and you know, it's a Samsung galaxy So these manufacturers are developing personalities around this, you know, glass slab So I think, you know, it's evolving and changing. I think the notch is definitely defining where apple is going with the iPhone, right? Yeah, how's the headphone jack doing? poorly very poorly Sony's new flagship doesn't have it. I was saw some mid-range phones from Croatian manufacturer Noah and any no a That lost the headphone jacks at the mid-range. This is the first time I've seen it But but hey Samsung kept it on the galaxy s9 and they use it as a you know, kind of a bullet point in their marketing So I mean look all hope is not lost but the reality is If you Want to leverage some of those legacy devices that are out there if you want to be prepared You're going to have to have in your back somewhere some sort of dongle Whether it's an iphone compatible dongle or One of the two standards for for android because even though usbc is one connector there's two ways to do audio on there analog and digital And you know the best is probably carry a digital one because it'll work on any android phone with usb type c All right, let's talk a little bit about some of the bigger announcements Sony announced the Xperia xz2 and xz2 compact Uses the snapdragon 845 chipset as a lot of these big announcements are Sony claims its implementation of qualcomm's x20 modem can reach peak download speeds of 1.2 gigabits per second Because it uses a few more antennas The xz2 has that 18 9 aspect ratio you were mentioned in its 5.7 inch full hd plus hdr screen Only carries a 3,180 milliamp hour battery. It's not bad, but it's not huge It has a 19 megapixel camera and can now capture 4k hdr video again Sony makes great sensors, but this is not a huge increase in megapixels. It's an increase in capability There's also a feature that vibrates along with certain things including your music or your movies xz2 goes on sale next month starting at 699 pounds And then the compact is a 5 inch version goes on sale next month for 549 pounds Sony also announced their xperia ear duo headphones And the idea with these is that you'll be able to have them automatically adjust to your surroundings So that you can hear your surroundings and also hear whatever audio you're listening to That way you could carry on a conversation still hear your music Maybe good for fitness although. Sony doesn't seem to be emphasizing that quite as much Pre-orders are up now for those $279 shipping in the u.s in late may Miriam, what'd you think of the sony announcements? Yeah, so the I mean the the xz2 is finally a Phone from sony with a lot less bezel. This has been a long time in coming Their phones have been bezel-tastic for a really long time And even this as an 89, you know ultra wide screen display still has quite a bit of bezels It's probably the most bezel-y of the new trend That being said though, the the curves are a little softer and rounder and they're definitely evolving their design language The camera is yet another evolution of what they've been putting on their on their flagships for about five years now Which is a variation of their 19 20 21 megapixel sensor Strangely still no optical image stabilization despite sony being one of the big manufacturers of optically imaged stabilized Sensors for other companies. So it's very odd lots of Computational photography tricks with that camera. It should be great But the big news as you said is 1.2 gigabit per second lte and Snapdragon 845 the only other phone with 845 right now is the galaxy s9 that we know of of course more are coming But this is a big deal. I was actually surprised that we didn't see more announcements of 845s at mwc so far All right, let's move on to samsung announcing the 5.8 inch galaxy s9 and the 6.2 inch galaxy s9 plus dual aperture dual cameras A lot of talk about the cameras the phones feature snapdragon 845 as miriam said stereo speakers augmented reality emojis apparently not quite as good as the an emojis in the iphone but Free orders start march 2nd for $720 up to $915 depending on the model and which carrier you get it at Shipping march 16th and the new dex pad Will let you use the s9 as a full computer with the phone serving as the track pad and the dex pad now supports resolutions up to 2560 by 1440 What do you think of these? Oh, sorry go ahead. Yeah, go ahead lamar All right. No, I had a question for mary. Maybe she could put in her summary um When is samsung going to just finally Like drop android because you look at the i watched the presentation And I don't think they even mentioned android one time like like they haven't done that for the last couple years They they really make it about features features features Samsung this samsung connects your your refrigerator can you know the samsung smart things When are they finally just going to say goodbye android? I feel like it has to happen in the next year or two Well, you know, you bring up a good point. I think uh in some markets, that's perfectly possible They have ties in as a good os that runs on their watches very well. I'm mad at it's and refrigerators. So yeah, and the refrigerators Let's not forget But but the reality is if you want to sell in the west you need google play services google play services requires android And that's the bottom line We're we're way too invested in our in our google ecosystem as users whether we're tech savvy early adopter Tech journalists like us or if we are even the average person in the us If you look at the average iphone in the us most of them have some sort of heavy google Application install base. I mean, it's just the reality. So on one hand, you're right But on the other hand, you know, I think they're they're focusing on the features like like apple does not on the specs And you know, the other thing to keep in mind about this galaxy is nine is it's there's a bit of a tick tock cycle with samsung All right the s7 was an update of the s6 the s9 is an update of the s8 And and you know and they fixed a lot of things the fingerprint reader is in a good spot The camera is certainly impressive. You know google showed us that computational photography is the future and is no doubt about that But there's still so much that can be done in hardware and samsung is doing it without compromising things like reliability With thickness which is very critical to customers consumers Water resistance and all that so dual aperture is certainly going to improve things But I think computational photography is going to buy us a lot more and I think google is on the right track there This is just samsung asserting once again like apple does that. They are a hardware company, right? We're making this best in-class camera hardware and i'm sure it's going to pay off But overall, I think you know The other thing I want to point out is you can't forget that the galaxy s9 is also available as and as an xenos processing Processor-based phone in other markets So it's not just snapdragon 845 and they did not mention quacom a single time in their keynote because of that. So, yeah Yeah, and samsung makes the xenos just in case you didn't realize We we mentioned the nokia 81 10 The banana phone But hmd also announced several other android handsets under the nokia brand the nokia 1 the nokia 6 the 7 plus and the 8 soroko Uh, the 8 soroko has a stainless steel frame sells for 749 euros starting in april has dual-site zyce optics and an edge-to-edge OLED 2k 5.5 inch display nokia 7 plus has 12 megapixels zyce optics sells for 399 euros starting in april nokia 6 goes on sale in may for 279 euros and the nokia 1 is an android go phone That's that android go operating system that's optimized for low spec phones That one's only going to sell for 85 bucks Starting in april and i think this kind of rounds out the trend when we talk about these zyce lenses mariam It feels like the the phones are all differentiating themselves mostly on image on cameras It's a huge part of what And your consumers want and and you know, i've been using my phone as a camera device since about 2004 The first phone i bought that could do autofocus was like, okay i'm going to get a phone with the camera now because now i know i can Take some decent photos, but the reality is you know That's what people use for photography And so if you can nail that experience for them They're going to be coming back and apple proved that samsung followed suit google's following suit, you know, etc Etc nokia has always been in the game for that even though they're a completely new company now And their thing is zyce and you know while we has as laika, etc To me what's exciting about hmd global slash nokia the new nokia is that in their first year I mean i don't have the numbers in front of me, but they've done they've been so successful at least outside the us That uh, you know, there there's certainly a a growing force again They were throwing around 70 million phones as there's a lot of phones I think they achieved 3 market share in the smartphone Round last year through india russia and parts of europe which is incredible on a first year Right, so now the second generation that they're coming out with here in barcelona This is for the second year. These products are really really polished. They're really nice the nokia 6 isn't is a new version of the of the previous model with some upgrades The 7 plus is is you know edge to edge 18 9 display Uh, it's absolutely gorgeous machine out of a solid block of aluminum And it's got this anodized this gold anodization all around the edges and accents and buttons. It looks Super slick. It looks like something nothing you've seen before the shiroko the nokia 8 is You know, basically their interpretation of what apple did with the iphone stainless steel glass sandwich It's beautifully done And and the nokia one as you said is it's kind of an impressive phone for the money They didn't sacrifice on the display on the camera on anything on this phone to reach that 85 dollar price point You know, and and I think we're going to be really impressed You know the same way as the moto e4 this past year for 80 dollars on brison I would say my pick for the u.s. Market for the best low-end android smartphone I have a feeling that if we can get this nokia one in our hands in the u.s It might potentially beat the moto at its own game. Uh, it's going to be it's going to be a good one All right, uh, we'll finish up with a concept phone. Vevo is showing off the apex full view It has a 1.8 millimeter bezel on the top. That's very small if you don't know metric system very well Uh, 4.3 millimeters on the bottom flexible oled display and an exciter Beneath the display will turn the entire screen into the earpiece So they didn't have to have a speaker in the earpiece. So they still have one on the bottom for playing Out loud for selfies a 9 megapixel camera pod rises up out of the top Also has the under screen fingerprint sensor that works over a quarter of the phone's screen That's an ultrasound sensor not the synaptics sensor that was shown off by vevo at ces But again lamar. This is all concept Uh, when when we're gonna see it I I want it now. Listen, this is the most exciting phone that I watched the video of it And I'm just amazed at some of this technology. Just when I saw that camera pop up It's just like genius you get to save on those bezels and and the fact it was have this the screen was able to work with the fingerprint You know sensor, um, but my sony, uh a 1 e tv has uh Has a kind of a speaker in the screen, you know, they're like the new OLEDs And so it has so to see that it has that kind of technology in their uh very similar at least where you can You know, I listened to a call that this is what I'm talking about with innovation You know, like again, I don't think you could do too much with that rectangle Although as Miriam says it's coming But to to put in some features like this it's like I will buy this phone as it is it needs to stop being a concept immediately Miriam, did you get a chance to what do you what do you think of this? Sadly, I didn't see this yet. Um, I I was just a surprise everyone else when I saw the uh, the the android central story um, I'm not sure anybody else has caught it but I mean, look, this is the future. This is what's inevitably coming where the entire front of our phone is just going to be a screen And um, and they solved the camera issue by having it pop up But I think the future is actually the camera under the screen where the pixel The area where the camera is would turn black and light let the light through and the photo can be taken A fingerprint reader under the screen is definitely cool ultrasonic is is actually a very good way to do it It's the quackum, uh, actually technology, I believe But here's what's I think more interesting is I I'm not even sure fingerprint readers matter going forward. I think continuous authentication using some sort of uh, 3d facial Recognition is going to be the way to go and apple shown that you know, apple's only going to keep improving it What I'm really surprised is is that that hasn't happened at mwc yet And of course, we know that huawei is launching the p20 on march 27th in paris And this may be the phone that is the first android phone to actually really truly compete with uh, the iphone 10 for For this kind of feature because I mean we will forget fingerprint readers in two years We'll never even remember we had them. This is not the way to go And so, you know, I think this is this is really cool that vivo actually went out and showed this thing But you know, they've well known for just doing prototypes and not necessarily delivering on them So, you know take it with a grain of salt. I mean, it's never the wall, but I think and it's exciting But I think that um, you know, I'm not sure how practical this pop out Selfie camera you in a real product You might even have a tiny little corner cat out with a tiny little selfie camera in there and sacrifice a few pixels Or as I said a transparent system But we'll see we'll see 0.8 seconds, which is like just on the edge of being acceptable Yeah, possibly annoying For that for that pop up to come out Hey, folks, if you want to get all the tech headlines each day in about five minutes Subscribe to daily tech headlines at daily tech headlines dot com Sarah may not be here, but the mailbag still is and we got one from Michael From plum trees are starting to bloom. Yokohama Said hey, yes last friday about experiences with CEOs who have done their workers good Well, when the bubble economy popped in the mid 1990s here in japan the software company I worked for cut the bonuses of the top executives and management so that the lower paid employees Especially first years could still get their bonuses while downsizing was a new concept to japanese companies We took the view of right sizing and adjusted departments accordingly shuffling people between sister companies Rather than laying anyone off our CEO one of the founders of the company took a cut in pay And announced his retirement doing so once everything was brought it to an even keel again I had assumed that this was the norm for japanese companies I was one of eight foreign employees scattered throughout japan in a company of 400 What what a cool story Yeah, would they ever fly here in the u.s. Yes, can I please go work there? Yeah doubt it Yeah Thank you, michael and thanks to everybody who participates by sending us emails or participating in our subreddit at dailytechnewshow.reddit.com Big shout out. We don't shout out enough to the moderators there Scottie rollin and everybody like kyle'd who keep that run smooth and our facebook group and all the moderators there as well facebook.com slash groups slash daily tech news show Miriam cannot thank you enough for joining us. What what a what a pleasure to have you You're very welcome It's always a pleasure to be on your show tom. You know that and I need to have you on my show I know you're a busy man, but sometime I will have to make it happen. Absolutely fair play I would love to come back folks. It's mobile tech podcast.com anything else people should know about it No, I mean it's a weekly show It publishes towards the end of the week and I do it no matter what rain shines no travel or whatever It's audio only And it's it's helped along by my youtube channel Which basically shows close up some of the devices that we discuss on the show I mean, I get my hands on pretty much everything since my indigadget days. So it's uh, it's good, you know that way Yeah, I mean my best look at the nokia 8810 and the samsung galaxy s where your videos You put up so they're not the most polished, but they do the job. No, you got you got good looks at the phones That's what matters. Uh, there's also another great youtube channel called lamar wilson that you should check out Oh, well, thank you. Can I can I first say this is my first time mean you uh, Miriam I I'm I am watching and listening to all your stuff. You are amazing Oh, thank you so much. No, seriously the the knowledge that you have is you could tell that you're really passionate about this And so that that kind of see through today. So I just want to say i'm a new i'm a new fan Thank you so much. All right. All right, no problem. Um, yeah, forget the people. I know don't all know each other. This is great Yeah, but uh, yeah, so yeah, my channel is mostly, um, uh, you know I call it fun boxing because I do a lot of you know fun unboxings What's coming up as far as that your audience might be excited about It's already been released. I could say it, but I'm getting a brand new pc from uh origin That they're you know, I'm not getting paid, but there's their sponsor. They built it for me It's it's reached the value. It's at $10,000 Yeah, it's a it's a beast. It has a couple 1080 ti graphics cards 18 core So, you know, yeah, if you all want to see that when's the lamar coin going to be started I You know what immediately the moment that gets here My light bill is going to be terrible. Yeah, but yeah, but yeah That's coming for an unboxing and showcase in a week or two So uh, subscribe if you want to you know, get get a taste of that or any other little fun Take gadgets I talk about or on box. Excellent. 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Yeah Indeed uh, that was a tight show y'all like I was impressed how much you managed to put in half hour. Wow. Yeah Well, it's only was a half hour. Oh my god. Yeah I mean, wow, I just looked at time just now. That's amazing. Yeah. Yeah No, I that's that's because you're a proton. That's why Well, and you guys too though like you you both like lamar you had some really good insights and questions Miriam, you obviously always know your stuff and are able to deliver it in an eloquent fashion It all came together Yeah, I wasn't I wasn't gonna try to try to you know, pretend like I know everything with the what the master here of phones So, you know, I have more questions than anything Yeah, because then, you know, I can only study so much on these phones, but there's just so many of them So, I don't know how you keep up. This must be all you do, right? Just Yeah, I mean, I you know, I love you on boxes lamar. They're great. I I think that You see like you've seen me Of course, I Can't tell you that I'm following and watching every video, but I do watch them Um, I you know the challenge for me is is I basically get a phone a week to play with On average, right? I mean and it's it's it's it's tough, right? So I try to like, you know, focus on the important ones as much a bit more and stuff like that But yeah, yeah Now, you know, I think like what my audience the feedback I've gotten is a lot of youtubers and I and I and I agree with this Like some of the high-end youtube channels. They don't focus on those lower end to middle markets You know, it's always the top of line phones and I think that you know, you talked about the middle Which I really appreciated today, you know, and there there's that there's that low end That's still like, you know, whatever company can come in and really tighten that up and we talked about You know Motorola and Nokia That's where the money really is and I wish more companies don't realize that because that's like the bottom of the pyramid That's that that's that's where the basis There were two more android go announcements At mdpc so far. There was and trying to remember with it. They were there was alcatel And somebody else so I mean it's definitely happening. There's there's going to be more Sub 100 android phones that I don't think are going to suck for once which is really amazing, right? And then the mid-range, you know the 200 dollar price point is a battle going on right now It's a huge battle and and Huawei at least worldwide on you know, especially their honor brand is is kind of winning it because They're able to cut everyone because of volume And I wouldn't even I wouldn't be surprised even if they sell at a loss in some cases They're they're p9. Sorry not in p-line the honor 9 light, which is not available in the u.s Is that is your is european phone that? 479 euros just blows my mind I cannot believe that that phone exists with the specs and the features and the quality and the materials that it does It is it is getting very Very exciting area of the market for sure Yeah, yeah, and I thought it was interesting. Huawei getting up on stage at mobile world congress and basically saying Only three or four of you are going to survive and will be one of them Everybody out of the pool Yeah Yeah, they're crazy. They're pretty they're very aggressive and and I mean not crazy in a bad way I just it's just amazing how we have no concept of this in the u.s Like, you know, I I have because I've been following them for a long time But but I think it's it's this with all the politics that are going on right now in the u.s with around Huawei. It's like It's gonna get worse because people are They don't you know, eventually it's gonna inevitably come to the u.s. And when it does You know when the political climate changes and it does it's just going to be like a hammer coming into the market You know, we talked about this a bit on text message Nate Langston had me on his uk podcast this weekend and and yeah, it's it's It's smacks of protectionism that the u.s. Oh my god. Yeah Huawei out because How do you compete? At least on the low end in the mid-range for right now I mean, they have an they have an one ace up their sleeves that they have the honor brand And and it's really I mean, you know, sure you can say it's Huawei's honor, but It's like two americans that brand does not sound like a chinese brand You know, so they could really like cultivate that brand somehow Um, especially if they continue using welcome chipsets for those What how do you fight that like is there's no chinese chips in the phone? Yeah, hello You know, so I don't know and most americans have only heard the name Huawei in regards to the you know Oh, I heard they got banned by the government or something Like some vague awareness an honor chip with a call come made I'm sorry an honor phone with a call come chip inside That's not gonna that's not gonna ring that same bell. You're right And you know the other thing is I wouldn't be surprised if they go full on android one in the future Honor and if they do then they don't even have to worry about the software part right because it's Yeah And that would be beneficial for them. I don't know if they're gonna do that It's just kind of like a a bit of a of a kind of like the strategic projection on my part But if I if I with them, that's what I would do Yeah, I'm what I'm curious to know I mean, it's it can't just be a scale of of unit soul that they they must I mean They they they own their own factories and the rest so I mean that there's I mean it is I mean There's something to be said that of a vertical integration where you own a majority of the process Up from you know from from manufacturing to actually selling the product Yeah, I mean right now the way they do it is by you know having having their own chipsets, right? That's the big deal because they make themselves It's like Exynos with Samsung right and so and then you know, they do have You know tons of great deals with all their suppliers, right? Like it's kind of like Samsung, you know if you want They can order by the by the millions right in one shot. So they get the best deals. They get first grabs First dibs on stuff and that's kind of how they able to undercut everyone else But I am convinced that with some phones like the the honor nine light that they're actually like undercutting like they're just Last leader, they don't care and you're just going to flood they're flooding Europe with it right now I just bought one for my mom. But I mean like like the thing though is traditionally if you sold the electronics part under under cost of manufacturing wasn't seen as a As a major trade thing, right? Typically commodities if you if you trade for example, try dumping Steel that you basically made at a loss, but you have so much of it. You just literally drop in a market Countries typically would put up tariffs as a protectionary measure I I definitely see at some point where it's not just the us but but any any other country that Has a mobile phone industry that they wish to protect and they see a tidal wave of super cheap phones coming You don't think they would try to Well, I think it's a short-term strategy So what I think they're doing with honor brand in Europe at least but I think I'm pretty much certain that they make a loss on these phones Is they're trying to get and they sell them to carriers there, right? Like I was in France before Barcelona because my mom lives in the south of France. I grew up there. I was born there So I she had a new phone and that was the best one I could get for the money from her carrier Um, and so we got it and it's a great phone But you know, uh, they want they want these phones to be in the carrier channel so that people Use them and like them and buy them again and then they can actually charge a reasonable price in the future So I think it's not a long-term thing. It's a short-term thing to kind of get there in in the door You know, I mean in Europe, they're pretty popular but not yet quite with the carriers So they're trying to really get the carriers involved and the carriers are loving it because people are loving the phones So I think it's actually a working strategy That's kind of I think what they're doing it because I think they're very well aware that if they continue that They're gonna get tariffs, right? Um, so I know the titles. Did you pick one already? I just wait we were having too good of a conversation and I loved, uh, what do you do with a rectangle? I feel like that's the theme of mobile world congress, uh, right there. So yeah, thank you much Well, it's interesting because you know, huawei and samsung in many cases aren't held done by other electronics businesses that would cut into the Their phone business for example, you mentioned why you didn't think that sony didn't include image or optical image stabilization In our phones and I'm wondering if it's the typical sony thing where one silo said listen, we do the cameras around here We don't want anything that could potentially Overlap into our business. We we need to have clear lanes like on the highway So you get a you get a you get a sensor You get no fancy miss the image stabilization other than, you know, the user's arms or you know, joby pod or whatever It's what it is. Yeah So sony is known to do that when they own products I was think that the think about the ps4 pro they they didn't even put the 4k blu-ray and they own don't they own blue You know the part of the consortium Of course, yeah, but they're a major part of it It's just little things that they do like they let xbox get a get an edge on them for A player that they they have complete dominance over and it's like it's a one department not talking to the other I mean sony's historically full of that, right? Like, you know, uh, I mean the failure of them to to to to compete with the ipod In the early days when they had everything they had all the technology. They had everything. You're right. Yeah And they didn't because they were they didn't want to do mp3, right? They just wanted to stick with their proprietary codex and memory card formats and all that It's always the same story with sony. They're a little They're a little weird that way So, I mean, I'm not surprised but at the same time it is kind of Interesting that we're like on the fifth generation now these Z series phones or x series or whatever they are and and it's like we have, you know, the same sensor that's evolving But we're nobody uses it and that very few other phones use that sensor yet Sony makes all these other sensors with ys and and all I and and they don't use them themselves It's very strange Well, I don't know about y'all, but I still love playing my a tracks off of my memory stick No, you do See that was the thing that was the most annoying thing. Why do I have to To to re we re-encode these transcode these into another like why can I just leave it the way I got it? Oh, that's why I know what it that's why they lost. Yeah Yeah, basically, but I mean you have to admit I for a while before iPod I use mini disk and I loved it I thought it was a very cool format and it was Closely is very like much like apple very close ecosystem, but very well executed. You know, it was it was it was solid I mean for a while until until mp3 and hard drive and flash base players were a thing You know, that was way better than cd way better than cassette. So You know, all right Yeah, thanks again, Mary. I'm really appreciate it. Especially with the time difference and everything. This was great Yeah, I got a bunch more videos to edit. I got actually my sony xz to compact and xz to hands-on to to publish so I'm gonna do that now and I get in go to bed and then I'll catch you guys next time. All right. All right Thank you so much. Thanks. Thanks for having me again. Bye. Bye. Bye Cool, and then I will stop the stream right here. So everyone say goodbye. See you. Bye. Okay. I'm right. Okay. Yeah Oh, no, no, you could say goodbye, but not tomorrow like you