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Were you working out? No, I didn't. Today I took a day off. Well, you guys are on the before program. We sat down before. We don't want to get too buff, you know? Yeah. It's too intimidating. Yeah, I know. You know? We're so much stronger. I overcame that fear. Well, plus I feel like you're less insecure when I'm not as buff, you know what I'm saying? If I get really... You're doing it for me? Yeah, I'm doing it for you. The show is better because I think of you in that regard. It's your handsome face that bothers me. Well, yeah, in the combination, if I was the jacked guy of the group right now, you know what? You're a very caring guy. I am. I appreciate that. I'm a very much so a team. It would just be too much. It's just too much. We can't have you be two hands up. Yeah. No, let's say, what is it, off day? No, I need to lift today. So I need to lift. I'll probably lift when I get home today. So I came in, I got in a little late today. Late start. Probably, I was probably about 20 minutes, well, 20 minutes late to what our workout would be. And I knew you were interviewing with our boy, Mike Matthews, which... It's gonna go long. Yeah, so I was just like, I was in no hurry to get around today. I was like, Sal won't be lifting there. He's gonna be recording with my Matthews. When I talk to him, I'm like, someone else that could talk forever. Yeah. You know what I mean? I've seen that. Oh, hello. That's the fact. I have to interrupt him. Yeah, I was gonna say, he might be worse than you. He might be, I think that with you, I think you get, well, maybe that's cause we're in person. You can self censor. Well, you know, he has, but like, Sal has good social cues. Like, Sal could be like rambling and he can see the look on my face. It's like, he's like, oh, Adam's over this conversation. So then he wraps it up. He wraps it up. Well, also, I mean, to be fair, Mike does his podcast by himself. Yeah. And I do with you guys. Right. So I've learned quite a bit, like when to like stop or whatever. He hasn't learned that on the page. That happens when you fly solo. Well, yeah, I know. I cut him off all the time, but he's so smart and he's so good at speaking. Oh, he can go, yeah. But I did, I cut him off like, he'll be talking, and I have to do that. And then he's like stops and then I go. I love to talk to Mike. He's got an incredible business mind, too. Smart eyes. Yeah, I know you're very smart. He's known on the web, obviously, for his fitness knowledge and stuff like that. But I mean, he really was a brilliant internet marketer that saw the opportunity in the fitness space. Very similar to us. Yeah. And he's a writer. And he only writes what's proven. So he's very smart about that. Doesn't make any crazy claims. Do you know he got COVID? You guys know that? I didn't know that. Yeah, dude. He was like barely sick for like three days. He said, yeah, he was congested for a few days, just a little bit. Didn't his whole family get it too? Or did just he? Just him. Yeah, he was away from them. And, okay, so this is a funny thing. By the way, this is, I'm not a doctor, so whatever. This is just people I know. I know someone who got the vaccine and after the second dose, stayed home from work for three days because they felt so bad, terrible migraines and fever. I was my brother. Yeah. Yeah, same thing. And then Mike was congested a little bit with actual COVID. Well, anecdotally, too. And I don't know how, you know, if they've tested for this or whatever, but you know, somebody in really good health standing, like typically I've seen that happen, the more people I've talked to about it, like their symptoms are pretty much nil. Did you guys get a bunch of DMs after the J&J talk? No, I didn't, did you? Oh yeah, I did. I thought, I was surprised that you guys, After the vaccine? Which is so weird, because I wasn't the one that brought it up. Why do I get fucking bombarded with people telling me? Easy. Is that what it is? Yeah, easy to piss off. See what he's saying. This will get him going. Yeah. What was the, what were they asking for? Well, I know. I guess I'll have to go back and listen to that episode and hear how you talked about it and when you guys brought it up. Cause I thought you, I don't, I just said there was zealots on every side in there. Right, I thought, yeah. And the messages I got were like, you know, to be fair, you know, you guys should share about J&J, that this is actually really common and normal and statistically speaking, it's not. Oh yeah. What the vaccine? Like six cases out of like six million. Right. Oh no, I agree with that perspective. In fact, one person even compared it to like birth control, there's a higher risk of you using birth control than there is taking this vaccine. No, here's the truth. So far they've, all the ones that are out so far have been proven to be extremely safe and very effective. Now the reason why I say so far is it's impossible to know long-term effects until we've done them for a long time. Which it's likely there's not gonna be any but you can't say for sure we don't know until they've been around for a long time. That's all, that's all it is. And that's just based off of that's real data, real number. Yeah, no, I thought you were fair, you know? You know me, I'll normally jump in and say something if I think that you're being too biased about something. I thought it was a good comment. But I do like, I do like- But of course it's very nuanced. Everybody gets triggered doing that. And I do like hearing people who are healthy who get it and then don't get, just for my personal like, you know, because you guys know I'm a hypochondriac. Yeah. So I hear that I'm like, oh cool. Yeah. I'm at least as healthy as mine. Oh yeah, I love hearing the stories, you know, people getting through it, like nothing. Like nothing happened. And speaking of things too that we covered, money monetary theory, quantitative easing. Quantitative easing. So those were the terms I was searching for. Quantitative easing just means print money and then buy shit with it. Just inject the market with fake money. Yeah, but the theory of that is if you doing that grows the GDP by five to 10% that negates the amount that they borrowed to do that in a sense. Or print, I should say. That's the theory. I like to call that unicorn economics. I know, no, I mean. I mean, well that's, hey listen. Those are the, that's what directly opposes your economic philosophy is MMT, is you know, money monetary theory and quantitative easing, which is the idea that so long as when you print these bills that it grows the GDP by X% that it negates the amount of money that you print. But really what that is is that that means that we just keep pushing this buy more, buy more, buy more. Which my challenge to that is, is that a good thing? Sure, to keep the economy afloat in the current state but the, you know, the religious side of me goes, you know, I don't know if just pushing everybody to be consumers, consumers is the right route. Yeah, okay, so this helps me understand it at least when it was told to me. So when you talk about the economy what we're really talking about is the productive abilities of the people, right? So what are people producing? What are they innovating and are we becoming more efficient and are we becoming better at whatever we're doing? So if the economy grows, typically that's what you want from it, okay? Now if the economy grows because we're all obsessed with buying stuff, does that mean we're better off? I don't think so, right? I don't think so. I think we're better off when people are healthy, mentally, physically, spiritually and that will turn into better investment, better innovation. Problem is though that we haven't been measuring it that way for decades. It's just dollars. Yeah, we measure it by dollars. The GDP grows, we're not going like, oh, do you think that was more innovation or spiritual awareness? No one's, nobody is saying that. They're like, it grew by 10% from last year, we're spending more money and the economy's growing. But remember that also counts dollars spent by the government. So they could literally print a bunch of money and just spend it on anything and that goes towards the GDP. We, oh, it grew by $10 trillion and then, you know, but the government took $10 trillion and bought, you know, pink, you know, cars or something because they wanted to, like whatever they, if they just spend money, it goes towards GDP. It's bonds and securities and stuff. That's what they normally do to do that. And but again, if it grows the GDP by an X% that it, again, that's it. I hear what you're saying. Yeah, and by the way, I don't agree with this economic theory. You know, I subscribe to the- Well, money means something. It has to represent something. If it doesn't represent innovation or production or efficiency, then it's just paper. So if we increase the amount of money that's circulating without any increase in production or innovation or anything else, all that means is everything is twice as expensive or whatever, that the cost of things goes up because there's nothing backing that money. There's no increase in innovation or anything else. Yeah, yeah. So that becomes a problem. And what happens is the people with a lot of power, the people with the most influence are people who obviously have lots of money, lots of assets, banks and stuff like that. And so for them, that's okay if they get all this money because they're not gonna pay the big price for it until it starts to trickle down to everybody else. Like if, let me put it this way, if the government printed out a trillion dollars and gave it to you just by yourself and you bought a bunch of stuff with it, you buy a bunch of stuff before it started to inflate, right? Before it starts to really have a negative effect. So, and when they first did quantitative easing, it was after the 2008 crash or whatever. Is that when it was? Yeah, and that's when, and then I remember people, like people who were like part of the school of Austrian economics or even like the Chicago school of economics, Milton Friedman type people, they were saying, it's not gonna stop. They're never gonna stop now. Now that they're doing this, they're never gonna stop. Well, because it worked. They were right. No, I agree. And that's also why when we were discussed, oh, again, it also circling back to our conversation and by the way, I appreciate this. I know I was teasing the vaccine people, but I do appreciate when people DM, especially when you're smart and you have something to share and contribute to the conversation. Because I'm always open minded and if I said something that was wrong, I wanna correct myself. But the other thing was the, oh, Harry Dent guy. Yeah. So I know somebody's like, he's been wrong all the time. Yeah, so actually you said that I went home and like sort of digging deeper on him and he's very much so similar to like a Peter Schiff where it's like doom and gloom for three decades in a row. It's like, of course you're gonna be right three times. You know what I'm saying? Like if you predict a crash and you've been saying a crash for 30 years straight every year consistently, like, of course, eventually it does. I don't think anybody- She's like Nostradamus. Yeah. I don't think he even said not. He throws a bunch of shit out there. One of them is correct. Yeah, so technically he's actually wrong more times than he's right, but they talk about how- Well, he made a hard prediction. Didn't he say like by June or July? Right, so that's very ballsy to come out with a date like that and say we're gonna see this big crash. And I disagree. I just don't. I think back to our point that we're talking about right now, I think they have found out that we could just, man, we could just print another couple trillion. I think we will stretch the hell out of this. I think before we see a big crash, we will see an even more ridiculous amount of money printed. I think we will see a number like five to $10 trillion in one shot. They're not stopping, dude. No. This is so wild. It's funny money now, dude. This is so wild. It's getting that point. And then I also saw, was reading another article or listening to an interview. I can't remember which one it was that one in five homes, which is 20% of homes that are purchased right now are like financial entities or China that are coming in and buying big investors. Yeah, so fine. It used to be that the- These cash offers everywhere. Yeah. And the investors used to mainly buy multi-unit homes like apartment complexes and stuff like that. Not single-family homes. Single-family homes typically they didn't touch, right? But now you're starting to see them really jump into the single-family home market. And that's part of what it's obviously driving up these ridiculous prices that you're seeing, which I don't think is gonna stop anytime soon. No. Yeah, I'm curious about that because I've seen it personally a lot because of what's been available and then you see like everybody getting out bid and then these cash offers coming in like last minute. But I do think that there's some, sometimes you can actually write a letter, you can make a personal sort of note to the person selling the house and you can actually get some kind of connection there versus like if somebody's like selling their home, sometimes they will consider like you're a family, you live here, it's not just like some financial group coming in. Well, you know what the problem is? The problem is is the way that people have retired and built wealth in the past is changing. And so what we have in our head, this is similar, we had this conversation about college where it used to be you get a degree and that means that it's a low investment because college was cheap and it's a great guaranteed way or almost guaranteed way of improving the likelihood that you'll make more money. Now that's not necessarily the case, it's becoming less and less the case, especially the cost of college going up. So it's challenging that old paradigm. Well, the old paradigm around retirement and investing was own your house, pay it off. And that's how people built their wealth. There's a lot of ways to invest your money. And in some cases it's not smart necessarily to own your home. It might be smarter to rent your home and then use that money in other investments that are a little bit smarter. It's tough when you've been taught that as part of the American dream. Dude, I battled with it. No, I did too. I struggled with myself. Cause that's why my dad literally hammered that into my head. Always make sure you pay off your house. Always have, that's the number one. And he grew up in the old school way or whatever. So that's the problem. So you get all these companies buying and renting these houses and people like, oh my God, I'm not gonna be able to own my own home. There's a lot of ways to grow wealth and invest, not just that. Last thing I'll circle back on that we talked about the other day also was the conversation that I had with Brendan over Tonal. So he actually texted me yesterday. Oh, did he really? Yeah, yeah. And it was a really nice text. He actually said, I actually, I texted him first about something I don't remember, I think we were talking stocks. Cause I do like to talk stocks with him. And he responded back to me, man, I was just thinking about you. I wanted to send you a really nice note after our aggressive conversation via Instagram and he went on to tell me how much he respects me and loves me, blah, blah, all this stuff like that. And I said, dude, the feeling is mutual. And I just, what I really appreciate about him, cause we went pretty hard on each other on there. There was no, there was no shortage. Gloves were off. Yeah, gloves were off. There was definitely jabs and uppercuts that were thrown within the intelligent debate back and forth. And I said to him, I said, you know, I know you so well that I don't take that personally and you're just as competitive or more competitive than I am. And I really look at it the same way as a wide receiver hitting a DB off the line or catching an elbow when you're going to get a rebound. It's part of the game. It's part of the sport. And I don't take it personally and I don't get offended. And I actually really appreciate having that with another intelligent person that I completely disagree with. Like socially, economically, like we're in polar opposites on so many views. But I think it's so healthy to keep people like that close to you. Totally. Especially if it keeps you sharp too. It does. You know, either one, it either opens and changes your mind or strengthens your argument. And I think it's important that you don't, and we're in this time of ghosting and blocking and people. Getting so offended because you had a different opinion about something. Right. Like this was literally an investment conversation. Yeah. And people get so mad that they lose friendships. And that's weak. You're evil if you have a different opinion than me. That's like where we've gotten to. Yeah. It's really upsetting. It's, to me, it highlights weakness. You're weak if you can't, like, if you're so weak that you can only be surrounded by people that agree with everything that you say. Right. Like you're not gonna do well. Something's gonna happen. And life is gonna. Ideas need to be tested constantly. Did you guys see the exchange between, was it Neil deGrasse Tyson and this meat company? No. Okay, beef or something. I forget what the name of the company was, but basically, they've kept checking Neil deGrasse Tyson's tweets all the time because, I mean, they're a little bit pretentious, if you will. So he wrote some tweet out there. Maybe you could pull it up, Doug, between the two of them, the exchange. But basically, he was saying something like, science is always right, regardless of your beliefs or something like that. Like I'm totally misquoting it. But it's basically like, and they're like, no, that's not really how science works. Science, you're always trying to disprove and then see what's left standing. Well, okay, catch me up to his stance. I don't know his stance on what you're discussing right now. So is he a hardcore vegan guy? No, no, no. It has nothing to do with the beef company. The beef company just checked him on one of his tweets that was about science. Yeah, read that tweet up there, Doug, what does that say? So he said, the good thing about science is that it's true whether you believe it or not. There you go. And then what did they say? That's not true. Yeah. I don't know what their response was. So yeah, if you go down, if you go down to that one right there. Yeah, we need that one. The irony of Neil's tweet is that by framing science itself as true, he's influencing people to be more skeptical of it in a time of unprecedented misinformation. Science is an ever-refining process to find truth, not a dogma. No matter his intent, this message isn't helpful. Yeah. So that just reminded me of what we're talking about. Right. Because it's, you know, like that's the pursuit of truth is really at the heart of it all and it needs to be tested. And science is continuously about like hypothesis and like testing the hypothesis to find law. And the only time it's true is when you find the law. Some of the worst travesties that humans have ever done to each other were done in the name of science. The thing about science, and yes, it's true if you find objective facts or whatever with through scientific study, that's true, but that doesn't make it right or wrong. Science without morality is very, very dangerous. And you see this with the crazy studies that they did in the Soviet Union, Nazi Germany, even here, some of the studies that we did on people to just in the pursuit of seeking scientific truth, we, you know, did some terrible things to people. And we still probably do, we don't know about. So science is a tool, but if you worship that tool, you better be careful. It's the greatest flaw in our industry. I mean, you see this every day in our space. It's one of the biggest things or problems that I have with our industry is that, you know, we marry an idea because a new study came out or we find a way to monetize it. And so you become so dogmatic about it when the truth is that there's a very good chance that theory or idea or that study ends up getting disproved in the next decade. So I can't stand that. I can't stand when we take something and then we build this whole thing around it. And it's like one study, one example of a group of people for a short period of time that went through something that proved an idea is right 80% of the time. Like that is not law, that is not fact. That is like a good, it's a good guess maybe in this direction or maybe a good idea for us to investigate or look at or to consider. But it's not, and we have to get away from this idea that, and that's what you get in a bunch of these intellects in our space that are PhDs and they love to sit here and debate each other over. They argue the wrong stuff sometimes. Yeah, they argue all the wrong stuff. It's like, it's splitting hairs in conversations and we, and you can see it's still prevalent in our space by the questions that we still get. How often are the questions we get? It's like, God, you guys, you're asking the wrong questions. Yeah, no, that's a great point, Adam. Coming from a trainer, right? So with experience working with people, if a person were to ask me what form of cardio is gonna be best for me? I wanna burn body fat. My answer is gonna be very different from the researcher who researches cardio and for its fat burning or whatever calorie burning benefits. If they ask the researcher, the researcher is gonna be like, oh, this form right here, the data shows it burns the most calories. If you ask me, the trainer, I'm gonna say to you the one that you like the most because as a trainer, I know the thing that we need to focus on is consistency. I don't care if swimming is more effective at burning calories than cycling. If you like cycling, do that one. Don't do the one that the studies say. This is the stuff that's important that's missed sometimes with scientific study. And you're right, when they do the whole splitting of hairs thing, 10% more fat loss within this window of whatever. That's stupid. That's dumb. Speaking of science, I've been reading up on some of the oils that are found in that Caldera lab, oil that you put on your face all the time. Why you look so... Oh God, don't scare me. Incredible. No, good stuff. Okay. He's like, by the way, the thing you've been putting- Actually, you're gonna mutate. It's gonna melt your face. No, one of the main ingredients- They have that in the J&J vaccine. One of the main ingredients- He's gonna go through a whole metamorphosis. Apricot kernel oil is one of the main ingredients. Anti-inflammatory, good for eczema and psoriasis. Oh, no shit. Okay, that's now so, okay. I know you've been loving it. Well, part of it. And I think I shared this originally, right? When I first started using it, I've actually gone away. So I have like a prescribed cream that I have that I don't like to use. It's like a mild steroid cream that I can use when my psoriasis- I knew you're on steroids. Yeah. He's on the road. Yeah, it gets out of control, but I really try and minimize that. I don't want to use it. And I really don't like using that on my face or my head. It's like, I have some really bad spots on my shin and stuff like that that if it really is bad and my diet's off and it flares up, I might get it to tamp it down, especially if I'm wearing shorts. But I have spots all over my head and face whether you can see or not. There's like, I have a spot here, here, here, back on my head. And when I started using caldera, I noticed it damped it way down. And so that is part of the motivation. Of course, I like how it makes my skin look more vibrant and gives me this like, I don't know, it feels like it shaves off a couple of years. But mostly it was the psoriasis thing. I noticed that when I was applying it to my face, so I've actually started to apply it to all the other spots. Now I just kind of piece that together. I did not know the research. Yeah. And then a lot of the compounds in there are balancing. So this is why, like I told you guys, I was always reluctant to try any oil because I have oily skin anyway. I don't put oil on my face. I'm already greasy. I've oiled up. Yeah, so, but it didn't do that. In fact, it actually made my skin less oily. And then you have Justin, who's on the other end of the spectrum. And you know, it's pretty much will turn to dust before your face. Yeah. Yeah. And I'm just flaking it. And it balanced it out. But it's got those natural compounds and stuff like that. And even more, I want to use it even more after I keep reading. I'm going so deep into these chemicals that affect your hormones and shit. I know, man. Dude. Seriously, like, can you alarmed the hell out of me? And I've been really conscious of that, too. Even soaps and like, shampoos, like the whole gamut of anything else that I'm putting on my skin, dude. I got to really watch out. And you know what? Like, I just talked about this. We talked about this way long ago on the podcast. Like, I'm not the type of person where I'm going to be like super, and no offense to anyways like this. That's hippy, crunchy, and it doesn't want to do any of that stuff. Like, I like- Definitely crunchy. But if there's areas in my life that I can just make a simple change, for example, not microwaving my shit in plastic, like, that's not like- Yeah. That's not a big deal. It's not a big deal. It doesn't change that big of a soap. Like, I'm not like a guy who's like married to a type of a soap, that it's got to be the soap. Like, if I can get a soap that doesn't have those chemicals in it, why the fuck not? So there's a lot of areas like- Take my Axe body spray, though. Yeah, I'm not going to be a guy, though. You're not going to be zest-fully clean. Well, I'm also not, and I'm also not going to be a guy who's in a situation where I don't have access to that, that I'm going to freak out. Oh my God, this one time I've got to use, you know, fucking Irish Spring or whatever. It's like, it's not that big of a deal. But if I can make these habits in my day where I, subtle changes, my laundry detergent, I'm not married to that, you know what I'm saying? All the soaps and the counter stuff. That's all the important stuff. Right. And then the other stuff is like, if you cook with non-stick pans and stuff, that's not good at all. Yeah. So don't cook with non-stick. Good like a skillet. Well, iron or you could use ceramic, or they have some non-stick stuff that doesn't have those chemicals. But yeah, that non-stick material, they find that in like babies. Oh my God. Press milk, it's like so, it doesn't go away. Did you see, I tagged you on Connor's post. He post about the video. Was that where you got it? It sounded like verbatim, because you talked about it. He talked about that book that came out and I didn't listen to the whole video. What did he say? Oh, I mean, it was everything you said. So that's why I was like, you must have read the exact same thing, because he's, I'm listening to it. I'm like, I think Sal said all those words. So blows my mind still with this guy. Like, I'm sure you read that that morning and I'm listening to someone else talk on this video. And it was Aaron Brockovich. Is that who it was? That's who they're. So the book was written by someone else, but Aaron Brockovich is that, she's like that environmentalist like attorney. Yeah. That does a lot of research. Yeah, the author of the book, I don't remember her name, and she's the author of the book. She's the researcher talking about all the stuff. Okay. So it came from the same place because I like listening to him like, oh my God, I thought it was literally everything Sal was regurgitating. Yeah, dude, you brought up Irish spring that so, when you guys were kids, do you guys take it home? Like when your mom bought, my mom bought that, right? So when I had it, the commercial, the guy cuts it with a knife. Yeah, the knife. Did you guys cut it? Fresh and clean as a whistle. I had to try that. I don't know why. I got in trouble for that. Did you? Yeah, dude, because she bought it and I'm like, oh, shit. And I was like, I don't know, that was like nine or whatever. You just cut a massive chunk. I got my dad's sheetrock knife, because it's really sharp. And I was like, oh, fuck, look at this. Just cut it up and see what this is all about. My mom just blasted me. I got in so much trouble for that. Why did you cut this up? I'm like the commercial. Successful marketing, right there. Like they cut this up at the commercial, mom. I know. Yeah, it made it so obvious. Yeah, were you guys ever forced to eat soap for saying bad words? Yep, yeah. Well, actually the worst. Now that we know all the chemicals in soap, thanks. Thanks, mom, fuck. Yeah, did you guys like, so the worst of it was I had like the liquid soap that she put on my toothbrush. Oh, that's fucked up. Brushed my teeth with soap. Wow. Now, what did you say to do that? Why did you do that? I think I said fuck. That's it? Fuck something like, ah, fuck you. Like I was like a little angsty kid and I had enough and then I paid the price. Do you remember how old you were? I don't remember how old I was. I don't know. If I had a guess, I was probably nine. That would be my guess. When you ate soap? Oh, really? Yeah, I think I got soap in the mouth for around that time. I don't know. Only a couple times, that wasn't like a, and you know what's funny? Actually, if you figure out when I was not, when did the Christmas story come out? Oh, that was 80 something. Yeah, you weren't even, I mean, it was after that. I was born. It was in the 80s. It was early 80s. I want to guess 84 would be my guess Christmas story. So I wonder if like my parents watched that and that was like, oh, that's a good idea. Dude, I said, I said, I said stupid. I said stupid and ate soap. That was the word that I said. Wow. Did you call your mom stupid? No. It would have been worse than soap. Yeah, you caught, I would have been, I'd catch a high heel for that one. I would have been chewing my teeth. That's what I would have been eating if I said. 83, good, I was close. No, it was, I said, she did something in it under my breath after I'm walking away. That's stupid. Stupid. Oh, I remember one. Excuse me? Yeah, when I was fishing with my grandpa and we were out on the lake and he caught a catfish and for some reason he just hated catfish. You know, he could not stand them. They're bottom feeders. Bottom feeders, he's like, I'm not gonna cook this, I'm not gonna be eating with it. And this is gonna piss off a lot of the, not, what's the group, Peta, thank you. Yeah, it's gonna piss them off. He basically took it off the hook and was just like, these goddamn, these goddamn catfish, smacks it and kills it, throws it right back in the lake, right? So I'm just a kid and I'm like, whoa, that was intense, you know, we get back to the campsite and my brother did something stupid. He flicks me in the ear or whatever. And I'm just like, I was like, God damn it, stop doing that. And then like everybody turns their head over and they're like, what? And I had to eat soap. Dude, my cousin had to eat soap because he said dildo and we were like nine. Now, he didn't even know what that meant. He heard some kids say it. He didn't know what it was. Yeah. And so he's just like singing a song. It's a dildo. There's a dildo. A dildo. And I'm like next to him like, yeah, dude, you got to eat dildo. Fucking dildo. And we got to fuck. That's the jam. We had to eat soap. But they never told us why. Wait, why? What does dildo mean, mom? Nothing. It doesn't mean anything. Hey, so you guys want to hear some cool. Have you guys heard this before that people with red hair, they need more anesthesia? Have you guys heard that? Yep. I did not know that. My mom is redheaded. She's a ginger? Yeah. I don't know if that's that. So is it just specifically redhead? Cause like I feel like, you know, there's more, like I feel like they told me that I had a bit of that as well. Maybe so I never heard this until I started training. I was a trainer and I had clients that were anesthesiologists. And one of them was talking, I was asking like, hey, you know, what'd you do today? He goes, oh, you know, I had a case or whatever. You know, he had red hair. So we, you know, we gave him a little bit more and I'm like, what? And I thought he was joking like, stupid, why would you do that? And he goes, no, he goes, literally they require in any cases 20% more painkiller to get the same effect. Yeah. Is that with Novocaine too? Because a lot of dentists had to like keep reapplying. Really? So it has something to do with the skin pigment. There's a, there's a, because of the pigment is a certain color, there are cells there that no color. Yeah, absence of it. Yeah. There's a cell there that apparently has to do with the fact that they, how they perceive pain. This is true for redheaded mice as well. Now I didn't know there was redheaded mice, but I'd read the study and that's what it said. I'd never seen redheaded mice. I'm totally Googling that after this. Yeah, yeah. So it's true for them as well. Yeah. I mean, isn't that, it's kind of... You would think that's what makes them as fighters tough too. Redhead people? Yeah. They'd be able to tolerate. I don't know if it's pain... They're just fiery and pissed off. Yeah. I don't know if it's like, they could take more pain like that or if it's pain killers. Oh yeah. Yeah. So I don't know. We could try punching Justin. You can try, that's for sure. Yeah. He will punch you, punch me as soon as possible. More on the science tip here. So it's a cool study came out on depression and how to treat depression. So check this out, right? They compared drug therapies to treating depression to non-drug therapies like exercise, touch, occupational therapy, that kind of stuff. I just heard Jordan Peterson say on his interview with Jaco that resistance training is actually the number one form. For antidepressant? Yeah. Yes, it is. That's what he said. And what it says here in the study is that exercise, cognitive stimulation, exercise and social interaction, okay, were more effective than the drugs. He said that that's also what would slow down cognitive decline more than anything else. It's the only form of exercise that has been shown to do that. It's the only form. Yeah, that's really cool. And if you think about it, this is my theory as to why, is because if you look at dementia, Alzheimer's, I mean they call Alzheimer's type three diabetes, right? So they say it probably has to do with the brain's inability to deal with or process sugar. Insulin resistance is tied to it, is closely tied to it. And there's nothing that you can do that is better than building muscle by itself for helping your insulin sensitivity and helping your body deal with sugar. If you build more muscle, insulin sensitivity improves and you have a larger capability to store and utilize and burn sugar. So this is why I think resistance training is the most favorable for things like Alzheimer's because it's not just the act of resistance training because anytime you exercise and you're moving, you're improving insulin sensitivity, but rather with resistance training, it's the after effect, it's the adaptation. You have a little bit more muscle, now your insulin sensitivity is better and you can utilize sugar better. So it's again, one more thing that shows. More reasons, that's right. That resistance training. So you moved us to science, I'm gonna move us back over to controversy here. Did you guys see Will Smith pulling his next movie out of Georgia? Yeah, I saw that. So explain this to me. So it's over the voting laws. And what did they put in place there that's different than ever? So I'm unaware of this. I was also unaware that Georgia was like, that's like a booming industry is they have a ton of contracts with like Netflix and a lot of that. Georgia's, so they're a swing state. So it's gonna be kind of a political hotbed, right? So to my knowledge, the voting law now is gonna ask for ID in order to vote, but it also expands voting booth access allows people to vote earlier. But anyway, nonetheless, the people on the left say that asking for ID is racist for voting. They're calling it voter suppression. People on the right are saying, why is asking for ID racist? We should ask for ID because of potential voters. There's so many other examples where you need an ID for, you know, you could just come up with a million. Yeah, I don't understand the, now the truth is I haven't seen evidence of widespread voter fraud. I know there's lots of claims, but so far the evidence doesn't show that there's crazy voter fraud. Nonetheless, I don't get why it's racist to ask for ID. I don't know. I wanna know, I would like someone to explain that better to me too, because that's why I was bringing it up, because I don't understand- It never made sense to me. Yeah, cause also too, it's like a very, that same sort of group is then so vigilant about like IDs are getting guns, right? So where's, I don't understand the difference there. I don't think, I think what they probably found is that asking for ID reduces their chances of winning. So they're coming out with a political way to sell, not allowing for IDs. I mean, who knows. Now, what I do agree with is that, even if that doesn't make sense and, but it does align with your values or you do, so maybe you're somebody on the left, maybe Will Smith is a liberal, I don't know where he stands. I do agree with the, hey, it's my movie that we're doing, and I know that's gonna infuse the- Yeah. Well, I know the Major League Baseball pulled, didn't they pull the All-Star game or- Move to Colorado. Yeah. Yeah. That was from where though? Was that from Texas? No, it's from Georgia. Oh, it was from Georgia also. Yeah. Oh, I didn't know that. Yeah. Oh, wow, they're really trying to get them, huh? Yeah, I don't know, it's interesting. You know what, though, if you play this game, if you're a big corporation and you start to play this game, you gotta be careful, it's gonna bite you back in the ass, because if you're the NBA, okay, if you're the NBA and you're pulling games or whatever, because you disagree with a policy, because you say it's, I don't know, it's oppressing people or it's discriminatory and you're telling everybody, look, we're so good, and yet you do a shit ton of business with China that literally is putting people in camps, like forced internment camps because they're Muslim or because they're Christian or whatever. Which is happening. You be careful because the same, when you start to do that, now you're open for attack and you look like a massive hypocrite. It's like when celebrities make a lot of money and then they go and because they need to be important, right, they go and they hammer everybody about their carbon footprint. Meanwhile, they own like a yacht in 10 houses and private jets on their own. It's like, dude, you're better off just shutting your mouth because now you open yourself up for attack and you're not gonna stand that test because you're a hypocrite on paper, right? So that's the issue I have with it, but I don't know. They're free to do that, I guess. I saw one of you guys had notes on Dr. Seuss too. What came out about him? Yeah, I was actually, it's totally non-controversial. Oh really? Yeah, because I was gonna bring that up in a controversial conversation, but hey, here's something. So did you know that Green Eggs and Ham, I guess that it was actually, Dr. Seuss made a bet with his publisher that he could write a book within 50 words. And that's how he did it? That's how he did it. Wow. And that's how that book was created. And that's like his staple, you know, most popular book. That happens to be one of the most popular books too. Yeah. And he did it in just 15 minutes. He did it as like a bet with his publisher. They could do that. That's crazy. That's smart, it's pretty funny. Yeah, we're reading the baby Dr. Seuss every night. So we pull out the books and read them. Are you? Yeah, and he's- Which one are you doing? Do you know what you're doing right now? We did the one fish, two fish one. Yeah. We did an eye. And we're just picking random ones. I'm doing the alphabet one right now. And what is that called? Like when you put like five words that all start with the same letter and it's actually, I like it because it's like it's actually helping me pronounce words better. I know we bust my balls all the time about pronouncing words really well, but to actually read that book and read it with speed is hard to do. And it's subconsciously training even me to be more verbally accurate when I say things. And it's, I forget what that's called. Is there- Alliteration. That's what that's called? Alliteration. Alliteration. He builds that into so many of his stories. That's part of the brilliance that you don't even realize. You think it's just- The rhythm, the cadence of- Yes. Like the poetry of it. It's really cool. I swear he's like one of the most brilliant writers ever and the fact that you're getting to read it, which is also I think why it's something that I know he got beat up over those handful of books or whatever, but so much brilliant work that he's created for children. Yeah, I was- Well they actually pulled it themselves. That was the whole thing. Yeah, they did. So it wasn't like the controversy came from outside. They just decided to remove it. Preemptively canceled a couple of books. Preemptively canceled it themselves. I was trying to read my son, Aesop's Fables. You ever read those? So I was, but he didn't, I mean the book had like no pictures. Yeah, that's pretty far. He has to have pictures. So I'm like doing that and he's like not interested. So Jessica's like, all right, let's grab the Dr. Seuss and let's go through that. Max is continuing to go through these different phases where originally, cause I started reading from, I mean, we were reading to him when he was in the womb. So I started reading to Katrina's belly for before he was born. Then he was born and then he's like breastfeeding and I'm reading and obviously not paying attention. And then I remember and I can't remember exactly what month, but I do remember when he like, oh wow, he like he sat in between my legs and wanted me to read to him. It was like the coolest thing ever. And then we went through that for a while and then he got to a phase where he like wanted to tear the pages and do all sort of that. And then like I'm trying to stay organized and like keep him reading through the books. And then he fell off that for a while. Then he actually got even more into the books where he wanted to turn the page. He was no longer tearing them anymore. And we're at this weird phase again right now where I can't read a book without him like knocking it out of my hands or like changing the book like again. I want to finish it all the way through and he's like he wants everything, and I don't know if it's like the novelty of something new because he doesn't want to sit through the entire book. He wants to see the picture and then what's the next picture? Yeah, yeah, or like, yeah, exactly. I can't read the page because he's like already wanting to turn it or give me another, no, no, not that book dad, this book right here. No, right now my little boy thinks I'm the funniest person in the world for whatever reason. I'm like hilarious. So we're just like, I'll just come home and he sees me and he's this- Keep that dude. He just thinks it's so funny. And Jessica's like, I can't get him to laugh like that. I'm like, yeah, but if anything else he wants you, at least I'm funny. At least he thinks I'm hilarious, but so we have a lot of fun with that. So Justin. More UFO stuff. Oh boy. Really? Bro, it comes out every week. There's new stuff. So a new video came out of a- I stopped paying attention dude. I guess I gotta read your articles. I don't understand what's going on this year. It's like in last year, it's like UFOs have exploded. A pyramid shaped UFO video came out. Did you see this one? A pyramid now. Yeah, it's like a triangle. They have a tic-tacs. They've had like different shapes, like spherical ones. No, this was like a triangle pyramid shape flying. And then anyway, the Pentagon came out and confirmed the validity of the video. The Pentagon? The Pentagon. What is happening? I don't know, dude. They're preparing us for some shit. Where was it flying over? I don't know where it was. Oh, you don't know. So this sounds a lot like Stargate to me, dude. You know, like remember when they had the- Is that Kurt Russell? Pyramid. This is such a great movie. Are you guys kidding me? That was a good movie. Oh, so it comes down and it like lands like right on top of the pyramid and then it like beams them down in through those shafts. And anyways, it's just funny that like, okay, so there's a UFO now that looks like a pyramid. Interesting. Yeah, very interesting. Okay, so this film was taken by the US Navy. So it was the Navy that filmed it. And then the Pentagon came out. That's the last time a favor. Yeah. He was in the Navy. Did either one of you guys finish listening to the Jordan Peterson and Jaco interview? No, how was that? Really good. Really? Yeah, yeah, really, I mean they got into Jordan Peterson interviewing Jaco, which is funny because I don't, I actually don't, I don't listen to Jordan Peterson's podcast normally. I was just interested in that conversation. He has such a hard time interviewing people. Oh, he's the, he's the interviewee usually. Yeah. And even, so I'm- And he can, another guy who could talk forever. Yeah, and I imagine that, you know, and here's the thing though, he's so brilliant, it doesn't bother you. So you're like, you're almost always interested in what he has to say. So I get that's probably why his thing is, I'm sure his podcast is massive, but I could also see how you could get really annoyed if like, I'm there to listen to Jaco. Wait a minute, I thought I was a guest. Yeah, dude, 100%, I know other people that probably come on the show are just like, okay, you want to do this or what? Now, what are they talking about? Are you saying something about morality of war? Yeah, yeah, so he really got into the morality of war and really challenging Jaco to articulate that for him, like what that whole process has been like for him. And, you know, Jaco's a very, very intelligent man and is a great communicator. And so to listen to him kind of walk his way through that and explain his experience, like everything from like- They break down like rules of engagement. Yeah, you know, I thought it was an interesting fact. I don't know that much about Jaco being completely truthful. And this is good too. I should address this on the podcast because I get these DMs all the time. Like everybody wants us to interview Jaco and Goggins, right? And truth be told, I'm probably out of the three of us the most resistant to it. And the reason why that was, was I worked for a, not a Green Bray, but a- Maybe Seal? Yeah, like, and he was completely like, that's how he ran our team. And I worked for him for many years. And, you know- It doesn't mix well with you. It doesn't mix well with me. I'm not a yes, sir, man, or do as I say, and then ask questions later type of guy. And I just, there's a ton of application from the knowledge and the books that all these guys have written and the way that they have applied what they've learned from war into business. I am not denying that there's a ton that I learned. But then there's also another side that not everybody that's working for you is signing up to be a soldier. And there's quite the art to getting everybody to move in the same direction when they don't wanna be there. It's like, there's a big difference, right? Or they don't care about saving their buddy, right? Like the army and the Navy, they do such a good job of like training these soldiers to be about the team and that, and that we're all here for this cause. The ranks are so high as survival is that it's. Right, and so even though there's lots of parallels with building a business and running a team, there's still a lot of differences. And because I had that for so many years, and I did, like I said, learn a lot, I tend to not gravitate to those conversations very much. I'm just kind of like, I'm cool with it. But in his defense, Jaco is a very, very intelligent, brilliant, great communicator. And I love the way that he articulated like his thoughts on war. I thought it was interesting that he, he chose like in order to get to the rankings that he was at, he chose to go, he had to go back to college. Like you have to have a certain level of degree to get to the level that he reached as like a commander of SEALs. And he chose English as a major. And I don't know if that strikes you as odd. Yeah, like why? Yeah, right? So the reason is because of how much in a leadership role, in particular, then they have to be able to write and read. If you get, if anybody gets a promotion. Filling out reports on everybody. Filling out reports, reading rules of engagement, challenging rules of engagement or direct orders from above. He goes, you can't just get something, right? Cause you get it, you receive it, rules of engagement or your orders, you know, and a 12 page document. And it's written by a bunch of, you know, litigious people and then you're going, okay, how do I take that information and then disseminate that down to my team and to get it done? And he goes, and then when there's areas of contention, you know, how do you then articulate that backup, the chain of command to get what you want? You know, and save your people's lives. Yeah, I thought it was really interesting and how much that applies to that position and how brilliant for him to have that foresight to know that that would be something of value. What a difficult conversation, the morality of war. Did you guys know that the Catholic church actually has a war, I think they call it a just war doctrine. Do you guys know that? I didn't know that. They actually have criteria. I did not know that. For what they would consider to be. Is it the Geneva Convention that has like most the rules? I don't know, no, no, I think they have their own. Like this is the criteria for a just war that they would consider. I thought that was very fascinating. That's interesting. Very interesting that they did that. Speaking of war, who usually takes all the supplements? You. Yeah, but guess what? Have you wondered Adam why there's no more pure? This guy. Oh, hey man. This guy. All of it. Oh, now the shades come in one way. All of it. We're out. I actually went looking for it yesterday. How many did you take a day? Well, I was consistent. You know, I was very consistent with it. I was helping a lot and guess what? We ran out, you know? Like I. You're gonna get stupid again. I love that you trained that commercial from war. This is fucking war. War in here. It's war over supplements. I take personal offense when there's a supplement gone. I'm like the supplement guy. I thought I was the only one like consistently using, especially on the pure side, cause like you guys were talking about green juice and all that. No, I had some at home. Well, I was using it when Sal was making it first every morning before. Adam only takes what I give him. If he doesn't give it to me, I'm like whatever. Must not be that important anymore. Just one of these times. But I have seen. I have seen you consistent. I would love to do that. Just goes in, hey guys. While we're podcasting. Look, I know you're talking about a study right now. I love you guys. Seriously. You don't even know how much I love you guys. Is this a new chair? I'm a good sport. If you do that to me, I'd be, I mean, probably initially mad, but I'd laugh later on. That's just sweating. Sweating in your chair. Hey, you guys want to just sit in the same chair? Let's just all sit together. While we're podcasting. Real quick, I hope you're enjoying the podcast. Head over to mindpumpfree.com and check out some of our free guides. They'll help you burn body fat, build muscle, have a better squat, even become a better personal trainer. Again, it's mindpumpfree.com. All right, enjoy the rest of the podcast. First question is from C. Pickens 7. Does lifting to failure, bodybuilding style, tax the CNS like lifting heavy, powerlifting type maxing? The reason why you have to, you have to put in what they wrote there because it makes a difference, right? And correct me if I'm wrong. I think that this person is alluding to like bodybuilder style workouts tend to be isolation exercises primarily. They don't do a lot of compound lifting where the opposite is true with powerlifting. Powerlifting is all compound lifting, right? That's primarily. So, you know, when you train, if you work out with any type of intensity or volume, there's always going to be a, you're always going to challenge the central nervous system a little bit. And if you over challenge the CNS, it needs to take time to recover. And this can be a problem when you're trying to build muscle or improve or whatever your physique. Now the main, the first part about lifting to failure. Now here's a deal with lifting to failure. You know, when I was a kid, it was told to me, or at least I read in every bodybuilding magazine that lifting to failure was super important because you need to work out intensely in order to just send the muscle building signal. And because failure, because there was nothing beyond failure, except you could do like force reps and stuff. But other than that, if you went to failure, you know you went past the point of sending that signal. And in theory, it sounded good. Now here's the deal. One of the most mind blowing changes that I ever made to my training was in my 20s, in my late 20s, where I stopped training to failure. And I did this because I started to look at strength athletes programming. Power lifters, Olympic lifters rarely ever lift to failure. They just don't do it very often. Oftentimes going to failure is on the day of the competition. And I thought, God, I wonder if that will benefit me. I stopped lifting to failure, started training to intensely, but I would stop about two to three reps before I thought I would fail. And my body just responded. The studies now support this. Studies now show that intensity, that going to failure is too much intensity. It's too much intensity for most people. Occasionally going to failure is okay, so you know where it's at. But as a tool to get your body to improve, it's too much. It's too much, it'll slow down your progress. Yeah, I was kind of reading this question a little bit differently. So in terms of like hypertrophy and trying to max out and going to the point of like pure fatigue, like so if I'm getting that sort of, where my muscles feel like super tight and I can't even perform the rep anymore and then I'm tired, I'm fatigued versus maxing out completely and going to failure, doing a heavy compound lift, like a dead lift or a bench press or something, like there's a little bit more of a dire consequence to one versus the other. That's exactly how I read this. I read this as somebody is comparing bodybuilding type training. And of course we're over-generalizing this, but it is more like going to failure on leg press and leg extensions versus the guy or girl who goes to failure on a squat or a dead lift, which one's more taxing for the CNS? Well that's obvious, yeah. Well it's obvious to us, but I think that's why this person's asking this question because there's a lot of bodybuilders that have incredible, you know, pro-physiques that train to failure all the time, but they never do these compound lifts. And this is part of why they get away with that. They get away with that because it isn't as taxing on the body as going to failure on a dead lift or on a squat. You can go to failure on a leg press and recover a lot quicker than you could doing that from a squat. That's true. Which is also true why you don't get as much bang for your buck though. Yeah, that's true. Not all exercises, you know, exercise are different. They're not all equal and some give you better results than others and some tax your body more than others. And isolation movements tend to tax your body a lot less than compound movement. So going to failure on a bicep curl is not as bad, I would say, is going to, you know, failure on like a pull-up, which both hits the biceps pretty well, but one is a compound exercise. This is also how I would modify my training sometimes when let's say, you know, because we tend to, you know, push people in the direction of more of the best bang for your buck exercise is like the compound lifts. So of course, most of my programming is built around that. But every once in a while, I overextend and I train really hard, let's say, and I really get after squats and then my hips are sore. But then here I am back two days later and I'm supposed to do, you know, front squats or something else. This is sometimes where I go, oh, I'm going to leg press today. Or, oh, I'm going to do some machine work. Because it's less of a challenge. Exactly. I mean, so I think the question's a good question if I'm receiving it correctly that, yeah, they are different. Yeah, but you know, back to what I was saying originally, I just think this is an important message. No, you're right, you're right. If you're listening or watching this, don't, if you go to failure in your workout, stop doing that and watch what happens. You'll actually progress. Well, we've talked many times before about paradigm shattering moments in our career. This was one of them for me. Like you, I went through a phase of leaving two in the tank. I don't remember who I heard that from first or what got me to do that. But for a extended period of time, I said, okay, for so many years, I was the kid who wanted to spot her. Everything was to failure, forced reps because I thought that's what I need to grow. Okay, I'm going to go ahead and put this into practice and see if I go the complete opposite. What kind of, and I saw huge benefits from it. Strength gains, muscle gains. And I had already been lifting for a really long time. So it blew my mind that training that way. And don't forget too, when you get to those levels of pushing to failure, that's where the risk also increases. So if I'm not going to get that much more gains from it or not even as much gains from it and then also increase the risk, why would you almost ever do it? It should be something that you rarely do. Right, and then also low rep sets, even if they're intense, tend to cause less stress on the body than higher rep sets, within reason. So if I do a set of squats and I'm maxing out at two reps, and even if I'm going to failure for two reps, it's actually not going to tax my body is if I was doing the same thing with 15 reps and going to failure on 15 reps. So you also have to calculate all the volume and volume includes the total amount of reps that you're doing in your workout. So it's really important to understand that the right dose is best. That's what's going to get you there the fastest. More or less than that will get you there slower. And if you're a fitness fanatic, realize that your tendency is to try to do more. So always, in my opinion, err on the side of less and you'll probably do better. Next question is from Heleneuska1. What are some exercises to help with knee pain? Oh yeah, good old knee pain. You know, here's something interesting about knee pain. We actually talked about this before on the show. And if you have our Maps Prime Pro program, you'll find that we don't have knee specific mobility movements or exercises in the program. And someone might say, well, why? A lot of people have knee problems. It's because the vast majority of chronic pain that people feel in the knee is the result of a dysfunction from either the ankle and the foot or the hip. Typically, where you'll find the dysfunction. If the ankle, the foot and the hip are working really well and moving really well and strong and there's good mobility, nine out of 10 times or maybe even 10 out of 10 times, there is no knee pain. Yeah, I'd go for it. It's a hinge joint. You know, its function literally is to extend and flex. And so everything else in terms of rotation and stabilizing, you know, you gotta look at the hips or the ankle. And so I guess that's why too. We direct a lot of the attention in there, which, you know, will reveal a lot more about where the dysfunction lies. I would go even further to say that it's always hip or ankle unless you have an acute injury. So unless somebody, you know, literally tore a ligament in your knee or, you know, cracked or broke your patella, some shit like that. If you didn't, if you don't have an acute injury that happened in the knee, but yet you have knee pain, it is going to be the ankles and the hip or and or probably both. Because many times if there is some ankle dysfunction that it's running at the kinetic chain and it's causing issues or our lack of mobility in the hip. So the answer to this, the exercises that would best suit this person and, you know, Sal alluded to Prime Pro. I addressed two of my favorite moves related exactly to this. And then because knee pain is so common, that's why these two moves found their way into that webinar. Like I chose what I thought were some of the best mobility moves that helped most people that I ever worked with with the most common things that they dealt with. Knee pain was extremely common. So the combat stretch for the ankle mobility and then the 90, 90 variations for the hips. Doing those movements will help alleviate. Yeah, I would say if you're watching this and you have some chronic knee pain, probably get 70, 80% you will see benefit from just doing those two things. I mean, again, just to illustrate, right? If you look at the knee joint and it flexes and extends, there are ligaments that prevent it from laterally bending and from sliding forward and back and from twisting. So it's kind of like it's like it's like a little bit of a rubber bands holding it in place. Holding it in place, allowing it just to flex and extend. Now, when you look at the hip or the ankle, they can rotate, they can move laterally, they can flex forward and back, they all this movement, but the knee doesn't. So if they're not strong and mobile and stable, the ankles and the hips, then what's holding that knee in place are those ligaments. It's keeping it from twisting. It's keeping it from- It stresses them the hell out. Yeah, and you just over time, you're constantly walking, constantly walking and your meniscus is always making sure that nothing's twisting because your ankle is so messed up or whatever because your hip isn't very mobile. Then over time, oh, my meniscus has pain or, oh, look, I have issues with my patella or whatever. And so it's usually always coming from those two areas. So I would say, look there always. Next question is from Elfers215. Is CBD a positive post-workout or does it prevent the positive inflammation from resistance training? I know you guys promote CBD, but I'm just curious about this instance. Yeah, that's actually a good question, right? So the reason why they're asking this is when you work out, you send this inflammatory signal. You actually start to get a little inflammation. So you get into the conversation of is inflammation really bad all the time? Right, and you need this, right? This inflammation signal is what tells the body to build muscle and to recover. Studies actually show that when people take non-steroidal anti-inflammatories, often, they actually build less muscle and over time, they actually start to get degradation of their joints and stuff because it's blocking the inflammation signal too much. And so the body- Which promotes change. Yeah, so the body's like not doing anything to build muscle or strengthen because of it or doing less, right? So this question is, because CBD is anti-inflammatory, is that gonna dampen the muscle building signal? Now here's the thing with CBD. It's not nearly as anti-inflammatory as like ibuprofen, right? So you're not gonna get this super strong, acute anti-inflammatory response. It's kind of the systemic anti-inflammatory response that happens and you get a little bit when you take it once, but over time, you start to see it. It also balances out inflammation. Now, will it reduce the muscle building signal? Maybe, maybe we're splitting hairs here, but the way it works is different and it kind of balances out inflammation. So I would say in some people, you might even see the use of cannabinoids to help them build muscle. So as far as whether or not it's good or bad post-workout, I would say you're probably splitting hair. Now to take it as a workout performance enhancer and that kind of stuff, I think- Waste of money. I also think that's kind of true. Yeah, I would, I guess I would question what is the desired outcome of even taking it post-workout? Like why would that, I mean, the only thing I could think of is maybe somebody likes to use- Is there any recovery- I think it's been promoted as recovery aid. Oh, that's a good point. There are a bunch of dum-dums in our space that have been promoting it like that. You're right. No, no, no, okay. Yeah, no, that's a terrible way to use it. I think bringing down like stress, anxiety, helping you sleep at night, gut issues if you're trying- Chronic inflammation. Like if you're fighting that in your gut or something like constantly, I think it's a great aid for that. But like, yeah, in terms of like the inflammation and stress from workouts, like I don't really see much of it. And you know in the back in the day, especially in the 70s, I know that the bodybuilders of Southern California, it was the thing that they did post-workout is they all smoked a joint, they'd eat a big ass meal, and then they go- In the sun. And then they go lay out in the sun. And I mean, I know they're all genetic freaks and on steroids and stuff, but they were so attuned to their body. They did a lot of things right back then. I'm sure they would have stopped if they said, oh wait, I think this is making me lose muscle. They would all have like I said, a joint post-work in that famous scene from Pumping Iron, right? When Arnold at the very end, he's got the shirt that says- Numeronin. Arnold's Numeronin. He's hitting a joint, so. Next question is from TW Parker34. Are gummy bears for real as a post-workout snack? Oh my God, I hate this. Is this a gym follower? You know what? No, it's become way more popular than just that knucklehead. I mean, it's become a thing that, I mean, and just you're right, now that you guys, you know, we just answered the CBD one, you're right, Justin. I have seen quite a few fitness influence because CBD's become so popular in our space that you've got a lot of these, they're just trying to find more angles of how to sell it. Yeah, and they don't understand the science behind it or really how to use it. And so it just makes the most sense to pitch it as a post-workout. I have seen that now. And the gummy bears thing has been popular for a while now and more and more people are jumping on the bandwagon. Okay, this annoys the shit out of me. So this is based off of science- It's off the dextrose. Yeah, and if you eat a fast digesting formicarbohydrate post-workout, you'll replenish glycogen stores faster, then they also say, oh, getting an insulin spike post-workout is a good idea because it helps build muscle. Yeah, okay, again, we're splitting hairs to the point where it doesn't even make sense anymore. And honestly, this is an excuse to justify eating shit post-workout. So it's like, oh no, I'm a fake guy. Of course, I want to improve my performance. And that's why I'm eating a bag of candy. Do you think Hasbro's behind this? Yeah, right, the reason why I actually- Horrible. Horrible, yeah, wrong guy. Hasbro makes toys. The reason why I got so fired up when this first started getting popular was because I battle with sugar addiction and I would have loved to- Any excuse. Oh, if this was popular when I was 20, I would have been this kid. That's all I needed to hear was some PhD fitness guru telling me that I should consume gummy bears because they have a ton of dextrose in them and this is going to make the anabolic window even better or speed up my recovery. I would have jumped all over that. And the truth is, at one point, if you're somebody who is constantly eating candy like this, you're being the same boat as I am. Back when I was 20 and I could eat whatever I wanted and not put on body fat and all I cared about was how I looked and I didn't care about my overall health. And I didn't think like, oh, one day I'll be 40 and not running around 15,000 plus steps every single day and roaring metabolism. And now here I am battling this sugar addiction that I have allowed myself to have. So I hate this advice. Even if you can get away with it as a young guy or girl right now to do this, it's terrible advice from fitness professionals that are pushing this. I think you're stupid for doing that. Yeah, if you wanna eat candy, then go eat candy. But if you're gonna say that- Don't wrap it into the whole process. Yeah, if you're gonna say that it's because it's good for your fitness, then I'm gonna be pissed off because that's not, no, it's not true. It's the wrong message. Look, do you, okay, first of all, replenishing glycogen post-workout, not that big of a deal unless you plan on working out again right away. And by the way, starches do just do a damn good job. They have a fucking potato. Yeah, have a bowl of rice and freaking eight ounces of steak or chicken. Yeah, no, this is dumb and it's totally a way to justify eating garbage. It doesn't benefit you. You're not gonna build tons of muscle doing this or burn more body fat doing this. It's not gonna do anything for you. You're just eating a fake food post-workout. I love gummy bears. My favorite candy in the world, okay? Don't get me wrong, but it's not a post-workout snack. Yeah, save it for your boy, save it for the cartoon. Save it for the, you know, once every six weeks when you go on a movie date and you really wanna have gummy bears, you know what I'm saying? Don't justify it as a ritual and a behavior that you do after every workout. Totally, and then as far as spiking your insulin to improve muscle growth, I mean, yes, I know pro bodybuilders take insulin and they take it with carbohydrates and that helps them build muscle. Okay, I get that. Very different than trying to spike your insulin with sugar, which you don't wanna do that all the time. It doesn't make any sense to constantly try to spike insulin to build more muscle. You want to be very sensitive to insulin. You don't wanna have to spike it all the time and whatever, you're not gonna gain any really muscle from doing that. Bodybuilders injecting insulin is totally different. What's also, by the way, is not a great idea, but that puts muscle on, but they're injecting it. That's totally different. Not to mention the behaviors that come behind this, okay? You eat gummy bears every single day. A fucking apple is gonna taste bland. Your vegetables will taste terrible. That's what happens. So you don't wanna get in the habit of doing something every single day and I'm speaking from experience. I'm telling you that this was me. I was a kid who ate candy every single day and for the longest time, I didn't think that apples and grapes tasted like anything. I hated vegetables. So that's what you're messing with, all in the name of getting an insulin spike. Get out of here with that. It's terrible advice. And by the way, they're saying it's sugar, right? Why is it gummy bears? I don't know, they focused on gummy bears. Technically, according to their theory, it could be any sugar. Well, no, it's dextrose, it's dextrose. And gummy bears, gummy bears, I think, is one of the candies that has the highest level of dextrose in it. That's the reason why they promote gummy bears. I love gummy bears. Look, if you like our content, you'll love MindPumpFree.com. We have lots of free guides there you can download. You can also find all of us on Instagram, so you can find Justin at MindPump Justin, me at MindPumpSal and Adam at MindPumpAdam. So where does the injury come from? Okay, injury comes from weakness. Injuries come from weakness. Now, whether it be stability or an arrange of motion, they didn't know. And right, and that's where the injury happened. So what a warm-up should do is improve your strength and your function. That's what reduces the risk of injury.