 Hi, I'm Tim Hill with 10 books. Thanks for joining us today. Honored to be joined by Father Lawrence Carney of the League of St. Martin and Sister Scholastica of the Holy Face. The Prioress of the Benedictines of Mary, Queen of the Apostles, our subject, Sister Mary Will Hamina and a new book about her life. We will certainly get into that very quickly. But first, Father, I was hoping you could start us with a prayer. Absolutely. In the name of the Father and the Son of the Holy Ghost, come in. Hail Mary, full of grace, the Lord is with thee, blessed art thou amongst women, and blessed is the fruit of thy womb, Jesus. Holy Mary, Mother of God, pray for us sinners. Amen. Amen. Our Lady of the Holy Name of God, pray for us. In the name of the Father and Son of the Holy Ghost, come in. Thank you, Father Carney. Sister Scholastica, I think we should start with you. First of all, can you tell us what you've been up to just today? Just today. Today is the Feast of St. James the Great, or James the Greater. And we've just come off of all night adoration for bishops. That's something we particularly do on Feast of the Apostles. Because Sister Will Hamina, having founded us the Benedictines of Mary, Queen of Apostles, really encouraged us to pray for priests. That would remain motive in founding the community. And so to heighten that sense of prayer, we have special prayers for bishops on the Feast of Apostles, because they are modern day apostles. Just to have the courage and strength to preach the truth in our day. And so we've come off a long, long period of prayer. Sisters have just finished their recreation for the day. So it's also a greater festivity on a Feast of the Apostles. And just a lot of joy today in the Feast of St. James. That's fantastic. And you're just north of Kansas City, I believe. Gower, Missouri is where you are located. And the founders of the Benedictines of Mary, Queen of the Apostles, Sister Will Hamina, while why we're here today, her life, and she's been in the news recently, why people might know her name or might know her name a little bit more recently. I was wondering if you could recount your perspective of how she has come into the news recently. Yes, it started out by our constructing a St. Joseph altar that was in the works, at least in the plans. And we had been hoping to have this altar dedicated to St. Joseph as the completion of our Abbey Church that was constructed and completed and dedicated in 2018 during Sister Will Hamina's lifetime. And so it's the custom in many places to have the founders of a community to be buried in the Motherhouse Chapel. So we thought it would be fitting to ensure and bring her to the altar of St. Joseph, which was originally going to be behind the high altar. Well, we called various people, we called a priest from the Diocese of Newark, the Irish Diocese of Newark, who said, you know, he works in cemetery. And at this point, we should expect only bones when we exhume her. But he said, as far as re-entering Sister Will Hamina, that we really need to just see what we had. Now, Father knew Sister Will Hamina, so he was somewhat hoping that we might find an ingruptible. But you know, this is the kind of thing you don't even dare to hope for. But on the other hand, when Sister Will Hamina did pass away and she was lying in state, she became more and more beautiful the more time went by. So that by the time we actually closed the coffin over, we closed the coffin lid, she was actually smiling beautifully, which was a smile that was gradually growing the more she was being, the more people were paying their respects to her. So that was kind of our first inkling that something special was happening, because there didn't seem to be any sort of decomposition taking place just while we were keeping vigils. So at any rate, we started digging on the face of our Lady Good Council, April 26th. And it took us two days to re-dig the grave. It took longer to re-dig it then to dig it the first time, because we had to be much more careful getting around the coffin. So when we discovered the coffin, we were surprised to see that it was very much intact. In fact, the coffin had swerved just ever so slightly to avoid the pouring of the concrete pudding, which would have really destroyed the coffin if it were just a few inches tilted in one direction. So the sisters very carefully dug the dirt around the coffin. And we hoisted it up. And Mother Ava said to all the sisters to kind of go to one side, because we wanted to be respectful of Sister Wilminga's remains. And so as we began to clear away the dirt, we saw there's a very, very large crack all the way down the coffin. And it seemed like the crack was widest right around the area of her face. So that was something we were a bit sad about, because we thought, OK, maybe it's worse than we thought. But as we were trying to clear away the dirt, I said to Mother Ava, maybe try looking at the feet first. So she took a flashlight. And she's shown the flashlight into the crack. And she screamed. I have never heard her scream like that. I don't think I ever. Well, she screamed at the top of her lungs and said, I see a foot. And so she handed me the flashlight, and I looked in. And sure enough, there was a foot just as full and beautiful as the day we buried her. So you could even see the brand name of the sock. You could see Haines written on the socked foot. And so when we actually did exhume her and we unscrewed the coffin lid, at first we were hesitant. We weren't sure if she was in the room or not, because a great deal of mold had covered her face. But we could see those feet very clearly. In fact, sisters were going up and pinching her toe. And it just felt like a real live toe. It was squishy. And then as we were clearing away more, we said, oh, we'll have to see what's under the mold. And then I was like, well, mold doesn't grow on the bone. Mold grows on living substance. So there must be something under there. So this is something I think we were a little bit having read Joan Carroll Cruz's book, The Incorruptibles, which was a tremendous help for us, by the way, because there aren't really any books out there about incorruptibles. So it was a great help to us to have these historical references of incorruptibles. And so it took about two weeks to clean Sister Romina. You have the impression that you just bring them up in there. It's like sleeping beauty. Everything's completely intact. But there are other damages that are done in the grave, especially the mold layer. But it wasn't until we brought her back to the convent with the coffin lid open. We were singing and processing as we went that we realized everything else in the coffin was gone. So we had poster board. We had tape. We had satin lining all the way around the coffin. All of that was completely gone, completely disintegrated. And yet everything touching her was intact. Now I shouldn't say everything because things like the crown of flowers that was on her head was dried in place. Her habit was completely perfect. There was not even a thread out of place. In fact, we lifted her capula and you could still see the threads hanging down from the day we had cut it to fit it around her in the coffin. And it was that much attack, not even a thread out of place. And there were three different kinds of material. We have the synthetic, we have the cotton, and then we have the wool. All of them were completely intact. Whereas the synthetic, the satin lining was completely gone. So you would have her veil. And then right next to it was the satin. There's nothing left of the satin, but her very thin material of the her veil was perfect. I mean, ours are in worse shape than hers was. And it had been in the grave for four years at that point without a single thread disrupted. And so, but it's interesting because we had tied a linen band around her jaw to keep the mouth closed. And that had actually started to disintegrate, which we thought was interesting because it was almost like the signs of her death were gone. So the coffin lining and that new linen piece of cloth that was right next to her beaure. So beaure is like our wimple. So the new linen was rotting, but the used wimple was perfect. So even things like that, we said, it's so beautiful that what she had in life, what spoke of her life in Christ was all intact, whereas those elements of death were gone. And so that, I think, is one of the most beautiful things about the findings to hold me as in her body is that what speaks to us of Christ and our life in Christ and the resurrection and her belonging to Christ, all of that is so present, even down to the very gossamer thin ribbon that was going around her profession candle, completely intact. And so we were absolutely thrilled. We were so happy, especially as they cleared away the mold and you could just see her face. And she had just a little bit of a tooth showing just a little bit and a smile, almost like an I told you so expression. So it was really, really beautiful, first of all, to see her again, but then to see this beautiful sign of our belief in the resurrection of the dead, that we had someone who resisted all of the effects of the fall with regard to death, so as to speak to us of the life that is to come. And that was her whole life. It was speaking of the life that is to come. And now we have that, I don't want to say living example, because of course she's gone to her reward, but we have the sign of her life with us to remind us of the life that is to come. Father Carney, I want to get your impression of that. But first, I have to follow up with you, sister. What sort of impact did that have at the time and has that had on your fellow sisters at the Abbey? Oh, it's been beautiful. Well, first of all, it's such a rare blessing. And I think we didn't realize that until after it happened that there's, I've heard there's only 200 recognizing corruptals in the Catholic Church and that's an extremely small number. But just to have our own among them now is really, I think, such a beautiful thing. And it's something Mother Abbey said, she wanted to put up a sign in our church for us just saying, sisters, don't forget, we get to pray the divine office each day to sing the praises of God in the same churches as an incorruptible who is our foundress. And I think that's something as crowds come in and they see Sister Wilmina lying there in her full habit. And we kept her in that same habit. That's something I don't think everyone realizes when they come to see her, when they come to venerate her. These are the clothes that we found her in. These are her incorrupt habit pieces that she's still displayed in that perfect habit. And so going there and praying the divine office with everyone who comes, they can see that here Sister Wilmina, this is our foundress, and she's left us this legacy in this prayer that we continue day and night in the church. And then God Willie will move from this life of prayer to the life of glory that she has and that she represents to us. And you see it even in the faces of people who come. They look at us and they look at her, they look at her and they look at us and you think this is exactly the way it should be that our life would be tending toward heaven and be a sign of heaven just as Sister Wilmina is only we're still left on this earth and she's already gone to her reward and God willing she's pulling us behind her. So that's what I think is, that's what goes through our minds when we see her and just to have her back in the church again is such a great blessing for all of us. Father Carney, what's your perspective on this? Well, when I first heard about it, I was like, what's going on? It didn't really come to me until a week later and I sort of realized this is an incorrupt, this is really important. And I can't believe this is happening through the nuns that I've known for so long and I've been their chaplain for 10 years and they're called Mary, Queen of the Apostles and their job is to pray for bishops and priests but also for people to convert and to come back to the church because that's what apostles did is they brought them into the church and they're doing it as contemplative. So I thought, well, yeah, that's great. They're doing it internally with God and how's this that message going to get out to the world? And then we have Sister Wilmina who's making the news all over the place. Father told me that there's a story, there were some Protestants that were telling some Catholics, have you heard about this incorrupt body? So some of these Catholics didn't even know that was going on and we got Protestants now talking about an incorrupt body and telling Catholics we love your, we're really interested so there's a lot, there's a lot going on here and I think this is just the introduction of a long book of many beautiful chapters that God is writing for us and Sister Wilmina definitely lived a life of great virtue and she should be an example for all of us right now in these times in our church. So that's, this is just the beginning of something very great. And this is the first time I've ever been interviewed about her, so I'm kind of speechless but I love hearing what Sister Skulaska is saying. I'm learning so much more. I bet Father Carney, since you knew her since 2012 for those of us who did not, how would you describe her? Yes, so she was, there's nothing that I saw that was extraordinary, which sometimes that's a good thing because then it's real virtue and what I did notice about her was a great childlikeness. And when I read her biography, it just reiterated what I already thought of her and this is a wonderful quality. But then when we look at her life, what really stands out to me are three points and that is that she loved the divine liturgies and she loved our ancient form of that, so the traditional Latin mass and that's what she wanted for her community exclusively. So this is a great example for the whole world and those that are Catholic, we have an incorrupt that could possibly be made officially incorrupt and someday her cause for canonization can go forward and this is like folks. The traditional Latin mass love that exclusively. This is what God is saying is good. So the second thing is her beautiful habit and when I was in the seminary, I had a professor at Mount St. Mary's who taught church history and I went to every single one of his classes and we even went on the road sometimes. And one of the classes was called African-American Catholic history. So I learned about the order that she was from the obliques of divine providence and I talked to that father professor on the phone because I was there at the seminary where I went this weekend and he said, oh yeah, I knew Sister Wilhelmina and this doesn't surprise me what happened. And this is from a history professor that a lot of seminarians and priests that had him look up to. And so one of the stories is she was going through the changes of Vatican II and they were allowing her to have options of habits. Some were more traditional, some were less and she chose one that was sort of a right of center and she went home from Baltimore to St. Louis and her father had already passed away. But then she went to see her mom and her mom says, what would your father think of that? And she was, her veil was showing two inches of her hair which was a little bit modern from what her family was used to. So I think she decided that she wanted to get back into a more traditional looking habit. You know, when nuns wear that they have to suffer because it's hot and there's a lot of beautiful suffering that comes from that and it's a great witness. So that's number two and number three. There's a lot I can say about this but I'll try to keep it short about the holy face. Sister Scholastica of the holy face was the one who introduced me to the holy face a few years ago. And I've sort of become an apostle of that. And then when I went to see mother Cecilia and Sister Scholastica to talk about this phenomena, this Sister Wilhelmina, I wanted to see her certificate because she became a member of the Coppaternity of the holy face. And Sister Scholastica showed me the certificate and it's a big thick book of priests that she was praying for underneath it. And so she enrolled in 1977. One of the promises of those who enroll in the holy face is that there will be many miracles. And so we have a miracle in progress right now. So I'll stop there for a minute. It's a great story. And those three points are certainly well taken. Sister Scholastica, I was wondering if you might be able to expound a little bit on the habit or it sounds like Father Carney was right on there and it kind of drives your point home about the habit of also being incorrupt when you found her. Yes, that's one thing a priest who saw Sister Wilhelmina and soon after we had exhumed her, that's one thing he said. He said, it's almost as if God was keeping her incorrupt in order to preserve the habit and have that be assigned to the world because that's what mattered to her even in a sense even more than her body. She would have sacrificed her life. She would have sacrificed her body for the habit. And in a certain sense, she did just in her battles, her spiritual battles to resume the habit because she could see, this isn't just a little thing. This is our sign of consecration to Christ, to Christ our bridegroom. And she had such veneration for him, especially in the devotion of the holy face. She kept an image of the holy face in her cell all the way through her up until she died. She had the, we're allowed to have two images in our cell. I have, I have saved Joan of Arc back here, but we have, she chose the holy face for one. And then the other she chose, our baby seed of wisdom, which was very dear to her community. Now, venerable mother, Mary Lang, made her profession, the Salvation Monastery of St. Mary's, excuse me, Salvation Seminary of St. Mary's in Baltimore. And they have there the statue of our baby seed of wisdom. So as a result, all the old late sisters of Providence carried that image of our lady with them. But Sister Wilmina also took a special care to keep up her devotion to the holy face. And she regularly recited the prayer of the golden arrow and encouraged us, especially as Father Carney had encouraged us in devotion to the holy face. But really one of the reasons I took the title of the holy face was because of the Greek sense of the word face, which is prosaicum, that you were, you were devoted not only to his face, but to his whole person, because that's expressed in his face. And I see that that was exactly why Sister Wilmina also cultivated this devotion. She was devoted to the whole Christ and to pleasing him. She wanted to see him smile. That was what her whole life was oriented toward that pleasing of the Lord and making reparation for all that offends him. And so I think that ties in also to the wearing of the habit. It is sacrificial. It's not exactly comfortable clothing, especially in the summer months, but she took that all in stride because she saw that her consecration to Christ as a person, as the prosaicum was the most important thing and that everything else was secondary, including her bodily comfort. So that's why we say her body is actually not perfect. There was some, there was a bit of damage, especially to her face with the crack that occurred in the coffin. But nevertheless, that habit was absolutely perfect because that's her representation before Christ who really is our beauty. He is goodness, truth and goodness, truth and beauty. So he reflects that beauty in his face. And it's something I'm so pleased just to think about. Sister Wilmi and I just beholding the beauty of God and in the context of her belonging to him in her habit. Father Karna, you mentioned it earlier, more information about the Arch Conf maternity of the Holy Face at martinians.org. You've written the great book, The Secret of the Holy Face. You can check that out more from tanbooks.com. Sister, you mentioned the incorruptibles book. Yes. And that's also a tan book and another book in case that that is just, if you want to know more, especially from a scientific standpoint, Science and the Miraculous by Michael O'Neill, also a tan book in tanbooks.com where you can go to find out plenty more information about that. And that process I guess is still evolving in Wil for a while now from that, from Sister Wilmi's standpoint. The book that's coming out soon is about her life. And that's what I would like to discuss more with you now, if you don't mind, especially you, Sister Scholastica. Well, you too, Father Karna, knowing her as closely as both of you did, I was wondering if you could comment and maybe confirm or if you have another idea, please feel free to do that. But I have a quote from the book and I'm interested to know how much you think this might sum her up. So the quote, and this was written back in the maybe late 80s, early 90s about her return to the traditional Latin Mass that you referred to a little bit earlier, Father Carney. But the quote is, this is what she wrote. Sister Wilhelmina writes, and now as if things weren't already bad enough, a campaign is underway to change the existing English translations of both the Novus Automass as well as the Divine Office to make them more, quote, inclusive of women. What nonsense. Anyone without sufficient grasp of our language to understand that women are and always have been included in such terms as mankind has no business correcting third grade English papers, much less the language of the liturgy. Yes. Sister Wilhelmina in a lot of ways, Sister Scholastica. Yes, definitely, definitely. That's something that it was so beautiful to see that she could criticize the errors of an age with all humility. And it was something that she did very, very artfully. And I think very well, she could really get away with it just because she had such simplicity of expression. And it is true, it was, what was so painfully obvious to her was a joy to her. And she didn't mind telling people about that. And I think that's something that was very fetching for some people, just to see this very straightforward manner she had of expressing herself, especially in what she held here. When she thought about her bridegroom, there was no human respect involved. She just spoke her heart freely. And it was very beautiful. Father was mentioning that before. She had a beautiful childlike character. And it was really a joy to be around her all the time. She was always, always very happy. So it was a real privilege to live with her, but also to have that wisdom communicated in such a way that it wasn't offensive, but it was a truth you could carry with you. And Sister Scholastica, just before we started recording, we were running through some of the pictures that are part of the book of the life of Sister Mary Wellamina. One of them struck you, I think, particularly of her ironing and how it gave you some clarity in your specific life. Yes, when I was visiting the community, I was very taken with the way of life, especially the chanting of the divine office with Gregorian chant. But there was still that question in my mind, can I do this for the rest of my life? And I looked over at Sister Wellamina, who was getting close to 80 at the time, and thinking, if that's the end product, that's what I want, because I really felt I was looking at a saint, that if this is what this life as a Benedictine of Mary is leading toward, this is what I want. I want to look at myself at being close to 80 and being as happy and holy as she was. She was just ironing a stack of priestly corp rolls and with such care and devotion and attention and prayerfulness, I thought, yes, if I'm close to 80 years old and that's all I'm doing, I will be very happy. Not so much the usefulness, but really the prayerfulness and the love that she brought to the smallest tasks. And I thought, yes, that's the kind of saint I want to be. Father Carney, you said this is your first interview since the recent news. What in your mind in a sticks out in your interactions with Sister Wilhelmina since you met her in 2012? Yes, so Sister, her consecrated life is being used by God for the greater good and the community that she founded greatly affected my priesthood in a very positive way. And coming to know these nuns that she founded, they have a spirit about them that is just of God. It's so peaceful. Sister Wilhelmina has taught the sisters how to have joy amidst this valley of tears. And there's a certain sense of the church militant that's very beautiful that I've learned from these sisters. And I remember when I would drive to the convent every day for Mass, there would be a certain piece that would come over me when I was about a mile to the convent. I don't know if it's because I got off the busy road and got on the dirt road, or if it was the spirit of this community. And I think it's a little both. So she has set up a system and it's called the Abbey of Ephesus and the Priory of St. Joseph down in Avon, Missouri. And I think that if things keep going this way, God is gonna use Sister Wilhelmina's inspiration to go back to the basics, to give God right worship and to save souls. What's gonna spread throughout other diocese? I don't think any bishop in his right mind would not want these nuns in their diocese. I think every bishop that really experienced what I've experienced with them for 10 years would want them in their diocese. So I pray that they grow really big. Sometimes I would say huge and I mean to grow huge as a community. So I think that this spirit of God that Sister Wilhelmina had in her soul is being shared with these nuns myself. The priests that come on retreat, the priests that continue to support the nuns and it's just, we are very blessed and we don't even know it. Certainly we're blessed to get your perspective of knowing her and Sister Scholastica, what you and your fellow sisters did by writing this book and sharing these pictures and stories just so edifying in so many ways. And there's so many stories in here that we could touch on. I mean, Sister Wilhelmina was born on Palm Sunday in 1924 and then 70 years later, she is the foundress of your order that you're at the age of 70. Just to read about the specifics and just her will time after time, overcoming challenges and then you got to see it firsthand. I can only imagine how gratifying and what an experience that was for you, Sister. Yes, indeed it was. Just to see that faith and it's right when most people are thinking about retiring and resting that's what she put her hands back into the water so to speak and really did what she could. And I think that scripture applied to Mary Magdalene could be easily applied to Sister Wilhelmina. She did what she could such that at the end of her life we were all saying well done, good and faithful servant because she knew what was right and she didn't just sit back on her laurels after how many years of serving the Lord well. She sought to serve him in a new way and enabling us to do that as well because in essence, Benedictine contemplative life has not had a strong foothold in the United States of America. There's very few contemplative Benedictine abbeys whereas all of European civilization was built on the Benedictine culture. And so it's almost as though we needed to start over and re-evangelize going back to St. Benedict's time and using his tools of good works to really affect the culture, not so much in what we do but who we are as women of prayer. And Sister Wilhelmina saw that right away and really exemplified it for all of us just that the way we pray and support the church from within, from the heart is the most effective thing we can do as contemplative religious and hopefully send out sort of the pulse of good blood back into the church. Again, God willing, by our prayers and only by his grace but she was really leading the charge in that. And in a time when it was particularly difficult I think in the nineties, it was not an easy time to be starting over but that's exactly what she did. She saw what needed to be done and she did it and she wasn't afraid. And in the story, the challenges of that founding and moving from Scranton, Pennsylvania to New York and then Kansas City and eventually where you are now the details of that are amazing. Her encounters with Mother Teresa calling her one of her Veronica's and meeting St. John Paul II. All these details and not to mention the fact that maybe how most people know your order is the famous musical CDs that have been best selling classical albums. To me, all of these details that if you combine them together they're simply amazing. And Father Carney, you kind of touched on to be able to witness it in your life up close and personal has been, I would imagine a bit surreal when you get to the sum of it in the end. Yeah, done Marmee and writes about the life of Christ. And when Jesus was 12 years old he went to the temple and got lost and guess what he was doing? He was worshiping his father with the divine layers and he was chanting. And when I got to experience the nuns chanting eight times a day, it's just so amazing. And as sister was talking about how important Benedictine's spirituality was in Europe and it wasn't here in America, it's really a blessing to have this incorrupt body to reiterate how important it is to get back to chanting. And I have a great desire that the bishops and the priests would have their cannons chant in the cathedrals again. But usually when there's a time like a desert of their liturgy the Benedictines have always been known to be the ones that preserved it. And then they reteach the clergy, so to speak, of those divine liturgies that we can have. So they're just being so Christ-like. Sister Wilhelmina was so Christ-like because music and chant and worshiping God with the Psalms of David is just something that's just out of this world. And that's my hope is that people see this incorrupt and like bishops and priests and they say, hey, we need to get this chanting just like these nuns are doing. Let's follow their example. Cause look at how happy they are. My mom was telling me the nuns in an interview with EWTN a few days ago or weeks ago and they were just giggling the whole time. Well, that's it, whenever I was at the con that I would hear the nuns giggling because they're so happy. And I can't remember which Senate was, Saint Therese maybe of Avila. If the world knew what it was like to live the religious life, they would be crawling and scaling the walls to get in. And these nuns are living that authentic life because they've done so much good. And there was a priest in my diocese, the Vicar General, when he talked to me about hearing about the news has been corrupt, he says, those nuns, there's always good stuff, good news coming from them. I'll stop for a minute. Well, sister's classic I think for those of us from the outside looking in when we get a sense of your day, it's up at 4.30 a.m. And it's usually six hours of manual labor. It's difficult for me to think, where does the joy come in? I'm guessing that you have a different experience. We do very much so because when you think about that phrase, what gets you out of bed in the morning? For us, it's literally God. So we get up to pray matins in the morning and then we're singing sometimes up to five hours a day. So that's why it's not so much that we're practicing for CDs as much as it's part of our life. There's one sister who when she was asked to fill out a form and it said occupations, she said, she was so tempted to write, I'm a vocalist for the King of Kings. And it's true. That's the way we approach the liturgy in particular that we try to give God the best. So when people say, oh, your CDs are so wonderful, we say, well, that's for the outside world, but we're singing each day, not only before the Lord in the blessed sacrament, but also in our hearts as we continue in silence through the day working with manual labor and other works, for example, in support of the priesthood, the making of priestly vestments. So all of these are sister Wilminga's legacy to us. She really loved music. And again, that idea that God deserved the best. And so that's what we try to do, but not only to give God the best, but to be the best we can for God to really be saints. That's what she would have wanted for us and from us. And of course, she always encouraged us in our devotion to the Blessed Mother. That was really her two great loves were our Lord in the blessed sacrament, especially through his holy face coming to us, but then also devotion to our Blessed Mother, especially through devotion to the rosary, those were again, her two great loves in life. And when asked one time in her 70s, why did you become a nun? Her answer was without hesitation. She said, I was in love with our Lord. And that's it. She never fell out of love with our Lord. She was always in love with our Lord. And you could see that in her face. You could see that in the way she served the Lord, that she was still in love. Even in her 70s or 80s or 90s, she was still in love with our Lord. And she really lived out that spirituality of being a spouse of Christ first and foremost, even more than any kind of external work. It was who she was before the King of Kings and offering her Psalm of praise to him, not only with her voice, but with her life. Father Carney, you mentioned what you hope, sister Wilhelmina's life will kind of reinvigorate in the church and what her order can do just around the country from a maybe a realistic standpoint. What do you hope others might glean from her story, take away from her story? Well, Jesus Christ, our King gave us the church for two main reasons. And that's right worship and the salvation of souls. My hope is that by her life and by God giving her this confirmation as an incorrupted, we'll probably have an official investigation. I hope that this will cause more people to give white worship to God. It will cause many people to come into the church and to come back to her, to revert to her. And that's one of my life goals as a priest is that God uses my priesthood to bring many souls to his church. Cause I don't want anyone to go to hell. And I think sister Wilhelmina, since I was her chaplain for six years and her confessor, I think that amplifies what God wants to use my priesthood to do. And that's to say souls and to give God right worship. So this is a story that will end in heaven. I hope we all get to go there and I hope people listening to this will be inspired to give their best because sister Wilhelmina did and look what happened. We have an unofficial, incorrupt body and everyone's happy about that. And there's thousands of people going to, they were going to the comment on one weekend. I think there was 30,000. Was that right, Sister Classica? Yes. Okay, so 30,000 people going to monastery in the middle of nowhere. That's some of my dreams. I'm sure the nuns too, realization. We want people to come to God. And what's not one of the best thing to do is to go to his church and just listen to the chat. So this is the beginning, a hope of an inspiration, her legacy for many people to give it their best. Inspiring words there. Father Carney, the Archconfraternity of the Holy Face, more information at martinians.org where you can find that. You can find more information about the life of Sister Mary Wilhelmina and certainly what the Benedictines of Mary, Queen of the Apostles are doing now at that website on the screen, Benedictinesofmarry.org. Sister Scholastica will certainly give you the final word and we'd love to, I'd love if you could conclude us today with a poem that Sister Wilhelmina was, I guess if not famous, she was known to say using her cane, I think later in life with you and your fellow sister. Yes, Sister Wilhelmina would regularly come up with new rhymes, but this was the most well known in our convent when we regularly repeat, but she would always say, God's will, God's will, God's will be done. Praise be the father, praise be the son, praise be divine love Lord Holy Ghost, praise be in unity with the heavenly host. So whenever things are difficult, we'll pull that out. And it always puts a smile on everyone's face. So yes, we're very blessed to know Sister Wilhelmina, especially in the fulfillment of God's will because that's what her whole life was a testament to doing God's will. I think that's a perfect way to end our discussion today, Sister Scholastica of the Holy Face and Father Lawrence Carney. We really appreciate you being a part of our conversation about Sister Mary Wilhelmina. The life of Sister Mary Wilhelmina is the book, tanbooks.com is where you can go to find it. Father Carney, if you could, could you conclude us with a blessing? Yes, Benedictio de Mnipotente's patris at Philly, Spiritus Andescienti, Superbos at Mani at Saint-Père. Amen.