 Thank you for keeping us company time for the debrief to look into politics and can you imagine a country under the leadership of Dr. Alfred Mutua as the president that will be questioned tonight. He just launched his bid to become the president of Kenya and he will be vying camp 2022 general elections. Would you vote for him as he fits? We dissect that in the next 20 more minutes with that and I'm speaking to political analyst Seiras Elito. Good evening sir. Very well. Now we have been treated with all manner of things and theatrics in the political field and just yesterday Governor Alfred Mutua launched his bid joining other people that we have known We have known for quite some time like the bid for Humsaila Modavadi to become the president. The deputy president wants to be the president. He will be the ballot. So as we believe for now and we do not know how the nomination will be in the Jubilee House but now we have Mutua. Let's talk about the man Mutua. Would you vote for him to be the president and in any case is he enough for Kenya? Thank you for having me tonight and what I can start by saying is that everyone is entitled to being a leader in this country as long as we regard the constitution presidential candidate should be at 5 years and above. So to that first of all I say he is in someone, he is able, he is ready for the task as he put it. From what I've heard or let me say from the few people who have shown their interest I can tell him as one of the serious person who has demonstrated that actually is ready for that presidency or is ready for presidential campaigns. Why am I saying so? He's come out even to state it to the public using his own mechanisms having a platform calling for a press conference with people seated stating that I'm going for this seat. The others have just mentioned but for him he has demonstrated. I can say right now we are going to a campaign period. Now that with the COVID-19 numbers going down the ministry has said we are still in COVID-19 pandemic. I don't want to talk much about COVID because I have a different perspective about COVID. So I don't want to contradict the government on COVID because one, this is a national television. What I believe in based on that is what someone else believes in based on it and I don't want to confuse Kenyans. I think it's an eight pages speech. Ilikwa to speech, not a manifesto. Based on what he said, speaking of five million jobs, speaking of not being a captive of the system because he knows the way and seeing that he knows the switch to reboot this country. What do you make of that particular speech being not a manifesto just a bid to say what he wants? It was a beautiful speech. There's a saying in Swim that says, man nama tam umutwanyoka pangoni. Every politician gives good speech. They give hope. But the problem is when we get to the office, I don't know is having wrong people in place or what. But those speeches are never turned into action. If speech was turned into action since taking leadership from the colonial masters, this country will be very far. But the problem is I think our leaders come up with very beautiful speech that entices us, gives us that hope that we are going to move a notch higher from where we are today. But when we get to the office, the problem comes implementation. Now the question has always been is it that we promise what we cannot deliver or is it we promise but the implementers are the ones that drill the implementation process. Because for production to take place in any industry or in any manufacturing firm, we have those people who plan, we have those people who make the plan a product, the end results. So the problem with our leaders is that they take the planners to be the production officers of the production heads and this is a big challenge to us. So what Mtuwa started, let me say, has come out early and for him to succeed or to make his plans true so that it cannot be like the other governments that we have had, especially the Jubilee government that promised us the studies it didn't deliver, promised us laptop it didn't deliver, digital economy it didn't deliver. So he needs to have those now production managers in place and say after I have secured the office after Kenyans have trusted me with the leadership, now this is what I'll do. And I'm telling that 2022 is not going to be the normal songs or shouting that we've always seen. It's going to be a defining moment for Kenyans because this 2012 to 2020, this 10-year period has been a psychophantic period. Because we were promised heaven but indeed we've been given hell by the Jubilee government. So what we look into right now is having a good leadership with less politic because too much politic less delivery of services. Why am I saying so? If the big four agendas that 2017 the Jubilee ran on were the very good agendas which have not been implemented, if the big four agendas were implemented then this country will be very far. There was a time I stated and said if you saw Kibaki when he took up leadership there was politic during the first term. But now when he entered into an agreement with the audience side in 2007 you saw the development was there. These developments were initiated during the first term. They were initiated. They were on plan. Now for him to ensure that these developments are fully implemented he needed to sit down and ensure let me have a team that will see me through this implementation and he secured it. But now contrary to what we've seen right now it is a lot of politic that gives one inch in nothing but sleepless nights because somebody is sleeping on a hungry stomach, somebody has been sucked somewhere, jobs are closing. So too much unemployment in the country, high rate of unemployment in the country. So if the governor is very focused on this now he needs to have people who will sit down to do the manifesto different and people who will sit down to ensure implementation of his manifesto. All right. There's something he mentioned about the system. He said he knows the system and he knows how to go around it. He will not be part of the captive of the system. How true is this because I know he has been the government he may know the system. But how will he make sure he is not the captive of the system considering he could be amongst the only young people who will be vying for the position. And most definitely he will work with the legendary in this particular position of politics speaking of the veterans who have been there and the people who know the system. So how is he going to go around the system that he is aware of? We can never run away from the system and we can never shy from talking about the system. It is something that exists and you see if you when an alligator comes out of the water and tells you the crocodile is dead, never doubt that story. You need just to go by it. And if you try to confirm much about it, you will be haunted by other crocodiles in the water. Now, all these people have been in government, they know the government, how it works. So when they come out speaking about the system, it's something they know. And it's not the first time he mentioned the system. Yes. So this is something they know. They know the system is there. They know the system is the one that is drilling the implementation of agendas that the government has to fulfill the promises that it promised its own people. Now, when everyone who rises up now to speak, and that's why I have told you, 22 politics is going to be a very different politics. Because now everyone is speaking about the that in the government. Everyone who rises up speaks about the that in the government. And they failed promises. So this system is the one that has failed the country. Because the system needs, it is seated somewhere, remote controlling things, and it demands much from that. Then it denies the common monainchi what he or she deserves to get. These are some of the challenges we are facing. And that's why you see anyone who has been with the government for a long period of time will talk of the system. Because it is something that exists and you can never shy away from it. And we need to be that system once and for all. And we need somebody who has balls to ensure that this thing is defeated. Alright, now speaking of political arrangements, we know at the end of the things when people say I will be vying for presidency, towards the end, they merge. Yes. I would like you to paint a picture for us. Imagine Governor Mutua and the DP. Governor Mutua and the DP. One thing I can say is… Right now the air is changed. Yes. One thing I can say is there are no permanent political enemies. True. There are friends. And then when somebody sits down on a table, when people of two interests sit down on a table, they discuss on how they are going to share the leadership. So when that time comes, I believe they will sit down and discuss not their own interests, but the future of the country, on how to rebuild the country. And I cannot say right now because we have so far… Let me say, I put him to a fast because of how he came out. Then we have Ruto. Then we have Mdavadi. I cannot speak. He has not come out boldly. So I cannot term of kibuda at the moment. So let me just have the three. For Baba, I can still put it here. We cannot say because he still has other plans that he needs to achieve. And it is from there now we can know. But for this, the time will tell. Time will tell. In any case, if he matched, do you think Mutua would shelve his ambitions and interests for this nation for him to accomplish that which he has planned for his time when it comes? What I can say, it depends on the negotiation. And now, see, in many occasions the question has always been, what are you bringing on the table? What numbers do you have? That has always been the question. Any time of a collision, that has always been a question. What numbers do you have? What are you bringing on the table? So that for me to let you lead. And anyone can shelve their ambition. Anyone can shelve their ambition. If I can give an example of an American system whereby governors come and say they want to run or senators come and say they want to run for presidency, they go by the record. So it's high time we need to be sitting down and looking at the record our leaders have upset before. And looking at the presidency of Mutua, what we need to do is to have facts, finding checks whereby we get the facts on the ground. I know many people say about its PR, this and this, there's nothing in Machakos that has been done. But there are things that have been done in Machakos. There are things that Mutua has demonstrated that he has done. Now when we try to put for example deputy president and Mutua, who stands a chance? For example now if Kenyans now decide, I think Mutua will be at a better position. Why am I saying so? Because the D.P. has been the deputy president in the jibili government and yet you've not seen any results. That's the panitif government that you have at the moment. Compared to Mutua and then Mutua is a lesser devil. So are you trying to say in any case if elections were to be held today? He can mean if he goes on well with his own plan. One I can say he only stated yesterday, he only announced to Kenyans the only thing that is remaining is him going out. Now from one area to another. And you see what he did yesterday is one thing that has given him a traversing ticket. Because now he'll be going around from one county to another county talking to Kenyans and telling them this is my focus in 2022 and this is what I want you to give me in 2022. So as he traverses the country, he also be meeting people and I believe he's not going to come up with the manifesto at the moment because he needs to traverse the country, understand each needs of each and every county. So that he comes up with one of the good manifestos that Kenya has never received but not a fallacious manifesto, a true manifesto that Kenya will buy and trust in 2022. Then he should also ensure he has a good team that will help him deliver the same manifesto to the Kenyans. So as much as he has announced, now we need to see the steps he has in place. We need to see his activities in place. Because now he has decided I want to buy. It's now there are two options. I go fully into politics and start campaigning whereby now I delegate my responsibility to my deputy governor. Because now we are running out of time. He is a governor with full responsibilities upon his shoulder of Machakos. Now he need to relinquish some of the responsibilities so that he can now focus on this bigger cake that he has set before himself. Alright, finally and very briefly, you find a recommendation telling us what is the position of the youth because this is another promise. Five million jobs, what kind of jobs are we talking about? Is it to clean gatas and slashing the grasses around? What kind of jobs do we expect as youth? And do you think Moto is promising enough to deliver? If the youth remain complacent, and I've already said so, I'm not going to revert my statements. I'm not going to change. If the youths remain complacent with what they are always given, that is what they are going to receive. No matter the kind of presidency we receive, no matter the kind of promises we'll be given. The youths are psychophans. A number of them, majority of them are psychophans who just are there to shout and be given handouts. Okay. The youths are there to be used to do these shouldy jobs and get 4,000 per month. Let me say like Kazim Mutani. These are some of the things that youths should not be even appreciating. They should always be rejecting it. Alright. That is complacence because they sit there, they are used. I'm telling the truth so they need to wake up. They have been complaining. The promises will come and I'll tell you the truth. No matter the government that will be there, we shall receive small jobs. Sensors, wufanya sensors, mozimoja, 15,000 in maisha ibo. The youths have been employed. We provided employment for the youths. Sensors, wuduma namba. So the youths are the problem. The youths are the problem. Not the leaders. Thank you so much for coming and trying to put things into perspective into the presidency of Dr. Alfred Mutua if he wins the presidency. And like you have heard, he says he believes in the man and that remains to be seen who wins the 2022 elections when the time comes. Thank you so much for keeping us company. He has been my guest, Cyrus Litzwa and the debrief ends there. I'll be leaving you in the safe hands of DJ T.S. Konwa Masha Riki. Keep it a Y254CU again tomorrow. Same time, same place on a business Tuesday. Have yourself a very good night. My name is Dereva Hillavi. Good night.