 Let's get underway. I am super excited for today's Logic Live. We're doing something a little different today. We are doing a tech talk and before we get started or actually the first of many things I'd like to announce today is we have a sponsor for Logic Live. So I want to thank or welcome to the party here, our friends at Synthesis Oceana. These guys have been my reseller for almost 15 years and they have always been huge supporters of Logic and the Flame community. They host our user group in New York and they host user groups in Dallas and Chicago, Atlanta and Toronto and maybe even more that I've forgotten about but they've always sponsored our One Frame of White contest and I have absolutely nothing but love for these guys at Synthesis. Synthesis Oceana provides solutions to keep teams connected and working. Find out more about their remote workflow solutions at Synthesis.io. Synthesis Oceana supporting Flame artists since 1997. I love those guys and thank you for supporting Logic Live. A little community shout out here for the second year in a row our friends at Autodesk have put the One Frame of White winner onto the Flame splash screen. So if you fire up the new 2021 release you'll see a frame from last year's winner which was Hope by Parag Jumbekar from Mumbai. So congratulations again to Parag and thank you everybody on the dev team. This is always just a treat to see and I know I got an email from Parag when he he actually got contacted by a bunch of colleagues over there to let him know that this was the splash screen. He had no idea it was coming and he was super excited. So thanks everybody. Next up is Logic Fest. Today is the deadline. Tonight rather is the deadline for Logic Fest entries 11.59.59 p.m. already gotten a bunch of absolutely great little tips and tricks and I want to thank everybody who's contributed so far but again it's not too late so if you would like to contribute to Logic Fest this year go to oneframeofwhite.com or logic.tv and sign up. And then email your trick or technique to nyflameusergroup at gmail.com by 11.59.59 tonight and the Logic users are going to get to vote for their favorites. The five entries that get the most votes will each receive a one-year license of Sapphire and Mocha. Not either but both. A courtesy of our friends at Boris FX. I don't know how many of you caught their their announcement of a slow wet paint for OFX but they they're going to be showing it off on their like virtual NAB webcasts tomorrow Tuesday and Wednesday and I'm going to be on the panel tomorrow so definitely head on over to Boris FX.com and check out how you can register for that and I believe they're going to be giving away a bunch of stuff as well. And the winners for Logic Fest are going to be showcased on the up close and personal with Flame webinar that our friends at Autodesk are going to be running on Tuesday April 28th. You can get the sign up link for that at logic.tv in the events page. I'll also put the link in the chat here today so definitely sign up for that. They're going to show off all the new stuff for Flame 2021 and that's it for my intro except now it's time for me to introduce my two guests for today. My two guests are very well known in the Logic community. First up is Jack Harks from Sydney, Australia where it's something like 2.15 in the morning on Wednesday there right now. So thank you Jack for getting up so early for us. Jack's always answering tech questions on Logic and is always happy to help out. He's the Flame tech himself and my second guest needs absolutely no introduction so I'll give him one anyway. When he's not advising NASA or prank calling conspiracy theorists Alan Latteri is co-founder and Lead VFX artist at Instinctual in Los Angeles. Alan is easily one of the most generous people I've ever met in the Logic Flame community constantly pushing the boundaries of what's possible and then sharing that knowledge on Logic and on his YouTube channel which you can find via Logic.tv. Ladies and gentlemen I'm in the hardest working man in show business. I give you Alan Latteri. Let's let me stop sharing this blank screen and bring on the boys. All right. I'm muted too. Hi guys. How are you doing? I'm well thank you. Wonderful. And Jack how are you doing man? Hey not bad. Excellent. Thank you both for joining us today for a little tech talk. You know I figured with so many people working from home now it's kind of more important than ever that we figure out ways to keep our systems running and and running smoothly and I've gotten you know I I also have seen a bunch of things on Logic a bunch of posts constantly of people asking you know what's the best config I should buy what's the best machine I should buy if I was going to do this or that how should I do it and so I wanted to have a little session here where people could ask some questions you guys could give some answers and some advice and and we'll take it from there. You know I did get a few kind of questions ahead of time which was nice people emailed them in and so I wanted to start out with those and get your feedback on them. The first one is about buying a machine to run Flame or Flaron at home and the question that you see you know it always ignites a debate on Logic is should I get a Mac or should I get a Linux machine and I wanted to get your thoughts on on that so why don't we start with you Jack? I like if you spend all of your time in batch and doing big trees you want a Linux box. I know everyone's like I need to do both but if you are going to be straight comping you need a Linux box. If you're going to be doing dev work for pitching things like that get yourself an iMac pro and then you can do both but don't expect a Mac to be able to punch through comps all day every day the way a Linux box wants. Like everyone I speak to who pitches to me about their machine crashing their machine not working properly is usually pushing big comps on a Mac. Jack do you think that that has to do with just like is there anything you could do with the Mac config that would alleviate some of that whether it's storage or RAM or anything like that? Nothing. It's all about if you want a LAN cruiser get yourself a really big Mac setup on iMac pro. It'll get you 95% of the way there. If you want a Unimog which is a really big powerful Mercedes it won't get you there faster. Like the iMac pro or the Mac pro will get you there a lot faster but once you try to overload it it just dies whereas the Linux box just keeps on tracking. Alan let me ask you the same question. For me it would come down to if you have any technical skill or desires whatsoever because if you don't then the easiest thing is going to be a Mac but if you have a little bit of technical skills or the desire to learn and the desire to have to be responsible for some of these things we're building Z840s with p6000s for about $3500 right now and I think that would kick the shit out of an iMac pro and certainly probably be quite a bit cheaper at least somewhat cheaper but you are into a certain level of maintenance that somebody might not want unless you go through a reseller but you probably won't get those prices through a reseller. Got you. Is there like if you were just going to stick with the like the the straight up config that you think that that is recommended by Autodesk right if you were to buy one of the HP Z series and you were kind of just running your machine at home you didn't you weren't running two flames you need to worry about networking you weren't trying to print from it or hook up a webcam or you know whatever is is it as scary as people think? No it's not as scary as people think Autodesk only has made it I think actually quite easy with some really good documentation and their OS installer and application installers nowhere near like it was on the SGI or even 10 years ago when they first started Linux so I don't think it's as scary as that but it's definitely more than a Mac right it's not you just double click and it works. Well the thing to be said about that is like the amount of support I give to each Linux box is probably between let's talk US dollars is probably a thousand to 1500 a year and then guess what if you're twice as productive you can make a hell of a lot more money yeah absolutely productivity factors a lot into that yeah productivity is the key here yeah don't think about what you actually spend straight up let's talk about how much you actually make because you know that's the key it is not about what you spend on the gear look you've got an iMac 5k sitting next to it that's where you do your email that's where you do you know a quick after effects thing the box you spend the most time on make sure it works properly make sure you can pump out those shots um or timelines or whatever it's like like if you're worried about if you're going to spend a thousand dollars on someone to help you to make sure that it works that's not it if you can make 10 grand or 50 grand extra that's what you want let me ask you a couple of a couple little follow-ups here that have come in either from chat or that I got emailed ahead of time about the linux configs right I have a keynote here in the chat is asking he's saying he's thinking of putting in two rtx 2080 ti's in his linux box does anybody know if this has been tested don't do it get a really big one card I can rtx 5000 rtx 6000 rtx 8000 you only want one card once you go to two cards like like I tested it and guess what no one really worked it out but one card big works really well yeah none of our machines have dual gps we have a very significant burn render farm to offload processing and we don't do any of the background reactor stuff what about it was I think some some people are under the interpretation under the miscatted interpretation having two cards they will participate with each other to make it faster a single a single operation faster and that's not how flame works so I've find it of no benefit and I've seen so many people post stories of background reactor and it's been a while but stories of background reactor corrupting renders are just causing all sorts of havoc so we just built ourselves a really good burn farm yeah and I mean there is always the the the concern and I'll throw it out there because someone should say that you know if you there are certain cards that are recommended in the system requirements from from auto desk and even if you do get it to work it's something that's not spec you know you're not there's no guarantee that it's going to be supported for you know for when you install an update or or anything like that it all works look anyone who tells you that a lowering card doesn't work it does the only problem is is that if you expect everything to work like it doesn't and what I've found is is like if you're a single person and you can troubleshoot your own setups aka you don't click the same three buttons after it crashes every time you can go with the lowest card you can find but if you expect that it works like it says on the box get a supported card well put uh mark mark wellington brought something up in regards to z840 and the power supply and I just like to say if you are going to be buying your own z840 it's offered with two different power supplies I think one is 850 watts in the 11 uh the other I believe is 1150 watts uh you always want to go with the bigger power supply and also it happened once we bought a z840 and it came with the motherboard with only three gpu power cords I was sorry with only two gpu power cords which indicated that it was actually a motherboard for the smaller power supply even though the re-seller had with the bigger power supply in so you always want to make sure that the motherboard you get has the three gpu plugs because that indicates it's a motherboard that was built for the larger power supply you cannot pour a a a big gpu into the 850 watt it doesn't even boot yeah gotcha anybody uh let's see I got another question here about running flame and resolve on the same Linux system all of our machines have every application installed on which includes Maya, Flame, Resolve and Nuke and Mocha I think on the application side that that's it so yes you can run everything on anything yeah and Fred just brought up that uh background reactor works on Linux with a single card yes it does that's why you want a big one yep I used it today loved it uh is there any any uh any other issue or anything else to consider with uh if you are going to run Resolve and Flame on the same machine any hardware that's right that it's it all works fine now for like a couple years ago Flame was using a very old gpu driver so there were issues at that time but Autodesk has resolved that and they're on one of the most current drivers now so it's all good yeah just make sure you've got a dongle because I use Resolve as a massive Swiss army knife just to be able to get whatever shitty media format you get from the rest of the world that's what Resolve's for it's got but every codec known to man in it and it works well I don't know if it's uh it makes me happy or sad to know that the entire world is dealing with shitty codecs and things that come from from clients so at least we're all suffering together I guess there's some there's some solace I can take in that yeah and on top of that while I'm at it I'm not a big fan of drastic media and I'd rather buy a copy of Resolve rather than pay them yeah drastic is a I call them a jokie company yeah they are yeah I tried to build a a complete transcode workflow with them and then they went out to visit a client and they never called me back ever so yeah yeah that's yeah anyway let's get back to the flame stuff yeah so so Kino's asking about Declink and Archer cards in the same machine and well I've never tried running them simultaneously Resolve and flame I've done both these days look I love Archer if you need something to be you know a hundred percent never never crash never never die go and Archer but realistically black magic um a card that costs you four or five hundred bucks um does 4k um that's the future yeah it's problematic with luster because luster won't only ever support Archer cards unfortunately but luster is a different story and you know why don't you go down that that luster path it's Archer only and a big set of panels I've got two sets here um you know um it's better in some ways but then I can also tell you from supporting luster um it causes a lot of tears this is not only tech talk it's straight talk with Jack and Ellen I love it totally um all right shifting gears a little bit here I got a question here from Mindy in New York uh who wants to get uh it was interested in uh some storage options for um a Mac so promise Pegasus versus Thunder Bay raid SSD your thoughts my thoughts uh if you don't want to make like you've got two choices here you've got raid protected versus just a bunch of NVME SSDs that are as fast as hell um make sure your source media is backed up somewhere else and you get one of these little boxes you put four NVME SSDs in it it'll do like five giga second but if it dies it dies whereas with the Pegasus you feel it full of you know reasonably fast disk or SSDs you'll get about three giga second and it'll be protected but it will cost you about three times as much um personally I go for the NVMEs these days and just make sure that my source footage is backed up somewhere Ellen you got anything to chime in on that one no I don't know the state of the art on the Mac everything we do is Linux I don't know gotcha um is there anything you guys would recommend uh in terms of keeping your system at home uh running smoothly any best practices oh for me it's not just even at home but obviously I work in a studio level environment we break up our frame store into as many stone partitions as is allowed which is eight you have zero through seven and then we try to spread our projects between those so some stone partitions have multiple projects but the theory behind that is if one database gets corrupted it doesn't take out your whole frame store it just takes out the projects that we're in that database so that's proven really good for us there was one time actually recently where a database did get corrupted but all the projects that we had in that stone were um or junk projects we didn't care we could lose them and we did we just like forget it we just deleted that database and started over but that helps to spread the load for and prevent a lot you know corruption in many different ways so that would be my biggest recommendation is to do that create all your stone volumes and spread your stuff throughout that and then of course ron vick as much as you can at least yeah um for me like alan's got a larger facility for me working with a lot of people at home is archive just get the shit off your system put it on to a drive if it doesn't need to be there get it off um like leaving stuff around for a producer to come back to you in three months time is bullshit just archive it get it off there you know if they come back to you in let's say a month six weeks oh we want to make this tiny change it's like well that's going to take a couple of days if they win chip that just go back straight at them and say well you didn't call me for six weeks you know we all know about the job where the producers told us that they're going to come back tomorrow and it's still on the system 18 months later just get rid of it i think i need to have you talk to my clients check anything else in terms of uh well since you mentioned archiving um yeah i've had a couple of questions here uh about archiving options again thinking about like this single user at home um it's it's unlikely that the person at home is going to have uh an lto machine an lto drive in the library um what do i think archiving to drives is okay um and that's fine because most of the stuff that we actually do like is a fish wrapper right if it's something which is going to come back and you know it's going to come back what i mean by know it's going to come back you are actually going to get paid to recut what you've done then create a couple of archives create a file archive which has just got the setups and a full archive so that you completely cover but most of the time we're just archiving just in case something comes back like the amount of stuff that actually comes back is probably 15 to 30 percent the rest of it we never see again so you got to look at what you're actually working on and if it will come back yeah we had a we had a like a deep philosophical conversation at our company a few years ago about the difference between disaster recovery and archiving you know like so if you want to do a nightly archive just in case when you wake up in the morning nothing's there that's not an archive that's disaster recovery you know you you don't need the one exactly necessarily uh and then when the job is done you archive it and throw it in the box and put it in the shelf and lock the door you know yeah um and something that well you brought it up for me when you're at home always do a file archive setup archive do one three times a day that just means that your work which you're working on at the moment doesn't get lost is there any any drawback to doing a command line archive or any advantage to doing a command line archive over using the UI no again thinking about somebody at home nothing like at our studio yeah at home no no just you guys have got to do the archive like I hate doing command line archives because I don't know what the job is and I don't know how to actually control the job I can't I can't go into the project and see if it's actually good um that is one of the things which I hate when someone says I just archive it and then blow away the box no the operator has to actually check the job with archiving so that's why I'm not a big fan of command line archiving because I can archive something sure do I know if it's actually good no remember the good old days when uh you were going to kick off an archive overnight and you leave like the corner of a book on the enter key on your keyboard so that it would hit skip all every time every time the clock in the morning uh the good old days um shifting gears here alan got a question for you from jeff here in chat is there a secret to getting wake com pressure to work on rgs all right it has to be linux yep there you go so the client has to be linux but both both ends of the of the config so if you're running linux at at the office then your remote system has to be linux as well yep gotcha exactly could you run like uh and I might be talking completely out of a crazy person here but what if you were to like run uh like a virtual machine on your your windows system and then you ran rgs in that that's possible it's that's something I've never explored but it's it's possible you'd also have to then pass through the usb wake up from the windows machine to the virtual machine and that's possible but I don't know it's easier just to do a boot or some situation like that yeah yeah or maybe some little or build a tiny machine like alan has yeah exactly gotcha um question questions just about or coming in the chat here just about like remote viewing if you want your clients to watch what you're doing at home or you know watch week watch what you're doing from home while they're sitting at home I think are we talking about broadcast out or the gooey monitor if we're talking about broadcast out that's different than the gooey monitor okay then let's start with broadcast out so you could do something paid solution like stream box which is going to be your pain to or to deal with you can do an open source like I've demonstrated the other thing you could do is get some type of sdi to usb uh device and then those generally emulate a webcam and at that point you could use pretty much any video conferencing software like zoom or jitsi me or any web based anything that just expects a webcam if you get an sdi to usb converter they they got that'll work um and you can get full uh hd resolution the black magic web presenter I think that's limited to 720p so if you want to full yeah so if you want a full hd or in fact some of the devices do um dci to ksdi which is 2048 by 1080 you can even do that and that's what I would recommend anything as web rtdc is going to be really low latency in response to john's question about what's the best for low latency I don't know the latency on zoom but it seems pretty low also seems pretty good yeah but the key is you want something that emulates a webcam because then you could use it with anything um I've heard zoom might be compatible with declinic cards actual declinic cards but I've not tested it ever and I have no need to yeah and I know I just I just updated zoom the other day and it broke uh my webcam that I had set up through obs where I just stopped recognizing it so yeah I guess as they're as they're um addressing their uh very very widely and passionately publicized uh security concerns they're doing things like just you know cutting out any kind of uh while they're cutting out everything left and right so but I know we've done some remote sessions with zoom where we had the client view uh the flame ui and uh and I to be honest for what it was it was great you know but what about for uh if you wanted to share the flame ui what would you recommend oh I don't know uh rgs is the thing we used rgs as a collaborative mode but again you would want to be on uh because there's two different modes of sending with rgs there's one called that's advanced video compression just basically an h264 stream and then the other is using um what they call hp3 which I don't know what that is or jpeg lossless so imagine it's just a series of jpegs um if you are enabled if you enable abc you cannot collaborate uh with a mac client because the mac doesn't have abc built it you'd have to I would I would just use any desk well there you go if if like like if people want to see the gooey um they can see it but it really doesn't mean anything to the client you know and like like at the end of the day all the client wants to see is pretty pictures um they don't want to see what what alan's you know drawing masks or I don't know man I've watched alan draw masks and it's it's it's intoxicating maybe maybe I was intoxicated is what I meant but you know what I mean well you know look like if you're on the client couch without a glass of wine uh scotch or various substances um you're on the wrong couch you're not doing it right oh man let's see next question I have for you guys is thoughts on ultra grid this is coming from Dave Robinson in the chat I know alan you've been you've been doing some stuff with ultra grid you've posted it on your youtube channel yeah it works it's good it's it's the closest thing that I've found to a stream box analog and it's open source so it's has a lot of promise it's a lot of things you could do with it if you're creative with it yeah it's it's a it's question of how much time you have compared to you know how much you want to pay like all of this stuff you know all of this open source stuff it's free it's great if you've got the time never forget how much it costs you to actually implement a lot of this stuff do the cost the cost thing if I'm going to spend 20 hours on it is that 20 hours which I could have been making three times as much you know um that's the big thing between the open source stuff and what you pay for um what about uh I got a question here from Rohan about using some shared file services like Dropbox and things like that in terms of sharing um setups and or maybe archiving to one of these services is there any any anything you could comment on uh on using one of those it's perfect you've just got to make sure that you realize that like putting stuff up to a lot of these services is fast when you access it today or next week it's fast a couple of months later when you try and drag it back it's slow and you go why is it fast now why is it slow in a couple of months it's because they archive it because they don't expect you to actually want it again so just watch out for that gotcha well that actually explains something that happened to me two days ago I was trying to just make a local copy of all the stuff I've ever put up on Dropbox for the one frame of white and the user groups it was a maybe a couple hundred gigs and it was going to take something like 11 days for it to copy down from Dropbox so that I was I thought I mean exactly I pissed off my whole family by rebooting the Wi-Fi router in the middle of a lockdown to see if that would help and I'm relieved to know it wasn't me yeah yeah I definitely all of these services they they don't tell you about what happens when something's been up there for like more than probably a month they just deep archive it down to type because that's cheap gotcha I have you know something that I could share here let me bring up my screen just for people running your Mac running flame on a Mac at home especially if you work at a facility where you have a Linux machine this is a good one here let me just share the share the screen I didn't know about this until I started doing until I started doing the python scripting but if you launch flame from a terminal here you'll get a console like you get on your Linux system at work so if you just go to opt Autodesk and then I'm going to show Jack here how many versions of flame have installed so he can get his next tip but if I go to like flare 2020.2 here and go to bin so this is the whole whoops sorry this is the path here go to opt Autodesk the version of your software and then bin and if you dot do dot slash start application whoops I said start application then you'll launch the app from the uh whoops hold on hold on you'll launch the app from the uh terminal well you just saw live fail this is live here people opt Autodesk yes yes I know yes I know flare 2020.2 bin and then the application will start and you'll be left with uh back here in Mac land you'll have a shell that will give you all feedback so my little tip you actually got a license any oh yeah I have a at-home license like checked out from uh from the office cool hell yeah um but um this is a perfect setup here I have probably 29 versions of uh flame and and flare and flame assist and everything installed I'm going to ask my first loaded question of the day here Jack is that a good idea no just remove everything except for the versions you're actually running and what I recommend is is update all of your setups to the latest one do a bit of housekeeping remove all of all of your old projects because what usually happens is is that if you don't remove the old projects they stay on the frame store so you've deleted the latest version of the project in let's say 2020.3 you know you've got the project in 2020.1 and 2020 because you haven't deleted it your space doesn't come back until you delete all of those earlier versions gotcha very good to know and that also explains why uh my Autodesk media storage folder is not releasing space no matter how often I delete the project so I will I know what I'm going to do as soon as we finish uh this episode of logic lying thank you Jack. No worries. Any other tips oh but actually before I move on to that in the chat here there have been a couple of uh little bits of feedback I want to make sure everybody sees uh Quinn has uh has brought up that um he creates terminal aliases for uh for each project if he's going to be working on a project on a Mac for a while and then um both Quinn and Miles here put a link to the carabiner elements carabiner elements.pgrs.org which is um Miles help me out here it's it's that's for uh keyboard mapping right so you can map your your uh your blame keyboard like if you wanted to switch the tilt the key with the escape key that kind of thing. Miles says yes thank you Miles my perfect um Alan is there anything you could recommend to uh to our users at home to help keep their so much of my experiences in running a facility and not as a single person so it's hard for me to sometimes give that type of advice but we do all sorts of really interesting things here and instinctual things that generally people haven't thought were possible at all or used certain tools in really unique ways so I'd say like you know look at my videos a lot of them show maybe not exactly how to do it but what can be done but you know for us the biggest thing is the stone FS because we have a centralized single centralized frame store that all of our machines utilize so that separating all the stones makes it that's like so crucial to reliability more than I think anything else that we do um you know going back to what you're just talking about we keep very clean systems so we don't have you know projects that are uh we don't have versions that go back too far Autodesk includes at least a tool a tool called RM soft that makes it very convenient and safe to remove all versions so yeah and and the same with the Mac uninstaller it is very safe yeah like I have never ever had a problem using RM soft or the Mac uninstaller in all of my time and I just recommend it because if you've got multiple versions of the software there you're always going to find someone or you who has something in the dark or logs into the wrong version and look it just causes problems because people call up and they say oh this feature doesn't work and I'm like and it takes me you know the better part of half an hour to work out that they weren't in the version that they thought they were they're in you know three versions behind once you're in flame you've got no real way of working out which version you're in um it all looks the same it just doesn't have half the features which you're trying to use very good point um hey Andy one of one other thing and this is relevant to some other companies that I've seen so again this is more of a studio level but we run a single back burner manager instance and that's actually virtualized it's not a physical machine um if you're running any more than just one flame make sure you really just have a single back burner manager it's going to make your life a lot lot easier oh it's definitely like like if we're getting into the back burner level sort of stuff um you want either a virtual machine or a real machine running burn being your back burner manager because if you don't it causes you so much pain yeah and by default manager is enabled on every flame install so that's something you have to basically turn off afterwards but you definitely want to do that well you've got to actually be actively managing all of all of that stuff as soon as you've got two flames um you want a back burner manager running somewhere else yeah gotcha so when you say uh pain can you be a bit more specific um back burner is a love and hate relationship uh you love it because it looks after all of your imports and exports but if you don't do it right you just people are calling you all day every day saying my meteor is not being cached or my meteor is not coming in and you spend all of your time logging into it and going uh something's not right here and you it takes time to actually work out what's going wrong gotcha is this it would that also apply if you had two flames that were running different os's like if you had one mac flame and one linux flame would it still be best to have one back burner running uh on a third machine doesn't matter if you're talking mac or linux okay at the end of the day um flame is flame it doesn't matter what os you're running it on once you scratch your mac with flame installed you're in linux gotcha uh and that's something we've got and that's something which i'd like to sort of tell everyone is that you don't have a linux or a mac running flame you are running flame on hardware they are exactly the same um they are not different yeah except one of them comes with seven hundred dollar wheels i just want to throw that out there yes exactly exactly i'm me personally i'm waiting for them for the refurbished wheels uh to show up on the website before i buy mine should be six months um alan i know you've you've done some uh some great stuff with back burner um do you have videos showing that on your youtube channel uh the only video i've made so far in regards to things that we've done with back burner i did kind of demonstrate using back burner as a way to push install software so we do that through all our through all of our facility is um because i have like 25 machines most of them are burns actually um but now i can install any software i want all through a command to just utilize back burner as the orchestrator to push all of those software updates to all the machines you get back burner i demonstrated that uh some of the other stuff that we do with back burner is uh wrote some software to monitor the queue so if there's a burn job or a my job or a nuke job that was sent to the queue it will automatically turn on all of the burn nodes or render nodes because they're not just burn nodes at that point the render nodes and then when that job is finished after a specified amount of time out it will then automatically shut down those nodes and that obviously saves on electricity but also cooling costs we're cooling constrained here so that was a really big reason why uh we wanted to keep those off as much as possible um and then i don't know we do a few other things but those are like really the big innovative ones but back burner is really like it's it's simple but there's actually some power there um if you utilize the api and you know the one of the big things is right now the back burner monitor which is the web interface that uh we utilize we all do it's currently flash based so auto discuss about seven or eight more months before flash is like literally killed from all browsers so it'd be interesting to see what they do in that time to replace it but that doesn't change the back end as far as I know something changes well Dave from chat here is just asking does it you need to have a powerful machine running back burner and I think the answer is no if you said it can be a virtual machine right yeah if if that question is in regards to the manager no it's you'd be surprised the small machines that we use as virtual hosts they're rather small um as long as you're not doing the transcoding with wire cap central that that would require some cpu because it's doing our clients coding but for just manager itself it could be quite low and in fact I run manager in a container now which is even more likely yeah yeah like the manager needs nothing um but if you start using some of the features like transcode and why it's api central but I don't know anyone using why it's api central anymore um like no reason um just run it through resolve got one more question for you guys and that is uh let's say you wanted to run flame on a laptop I know that there's a config out there I think a supported one for for installing linux on uh on like an hp laptop um if you're going to go the laptop route is it worth it to go linux or a dual boot on a on a windows machine or should you just go mac depends um I am the king of building laptops and have built them for marcus in London I've built three of them I've got one sitting here waiting to be built um it's uh it's the way of the future I am talking to yarn about actually getting these things properly certified um so that stuff installs properly but you know um um a linux laptop with a 2080 card in it but you've got to be the sort of operator who can actually troubleshoot your own setups okay um if you expect it just to work don't do it buy a mac um they're about the same cost but you've got to be a little bit savvy about it um if you hit the same three buttons every time it's not for you gotcha good to know yeah all right well thank you guys I appreciate it very much uh jack harris and alan leteri thank you very much for joining us today on this edition of logic uh logic live tech talk so I just want to let you guys know about some of our upcoming logic live sessions I've got quite a few more to announce which is great but coming up next week we have uh cg compositing in flame and color management with our good friend john ashby uh followed by on may 3rd writing python scripts for flame with yours truly and my special guest uh fred warren who's also my um python sherpa uh that's that's uh portuguese there um on sunday may 10th we're gonna do a neat video deep dive uh with with tim just uh just check off from neat video and uh they have a little special promotion for our logic live viewers as well on sunday may 17th we're gonna have an interview with will harris flame family product manager we'll talk about the new 2021 release and I think we're 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