 Hi, everyone. Glad to see everyone here. We are having a little bit of technical difficulties with Daniel. Unfortunately, while he's having technical difficulties. So we're hoping he'll be jump be able to jump in here for a minute. But in the meantime, we'll go ahead and tell you who's here. I am in the I am the with you tree challenge coordinator. Next to me is Drew Smith. He's going to be our upcoming week. We're excited. And Karen Lowe has been the captain for this week for Daniel Loftus, who will be joining us shortly. If you don't know what wiki tree is, wiki tree is a community of genealogists who are working together on a single family tree. In other words, we collaborate to grow an accurate global tree that connects us all and remarkably, it's free. The wiki tree challenge is our year long event and part of our year of accuracy where each week a team of wiki treeers takes on a genealogist start trees and collaborates to make it more accurate and complete than anywhere else. Our goal is to improve the accuracy on wiki tree, add more family connections and make more friends. So once again, this week we worked on Daniels, but we may wind up just for talking with Drew for a few minutes until we can get Daniel in here. And let me just rearrange a few things here. Sorry, guys. Thank you for your patience. That's the Celtic Tigers letting us down. Now, if you don't know Drew Smith, and you should, though, he's one of the genealogy guys. Their podcast is a one hour broadcast about a wide variety of topics, genealogy related topics currently on their minds. It's been produced since 5th of September 2005. That's a long time by AHA seminars making it the longest running genealogy podcast. That's pretty incredible. And here's a little background on Drew himself. He's been a librarian in the academic services department in the University of South Florida since 2007. He's taught courses in library and internet research skills and web design. He's authored many genealogy articles for genealogical computing, digital computing, and NGS news magazine. He's served as the editor of Federation of Genealogy Societies and published several genealogy books. So that's a lot, Drew. Is there anything I missed? No, I think that's covering it pretty well. I mean, there's, yeah, it's been fun to try all these different things over the years and see how genealogy has changed since I first got involved and it's been amazing. And I'm excited every day because there's always something new. So what do you think like the biggest changes have been as far as like what you get to do with the podcast and whatnot and your topics just overall? Yeah, since we started in, you know, in that time period, it's been clearly the dramatic increase in the amount of online material, you know, this amount of digitized material has just been crazy. And again, not preventing the need to go to courthouses and libraries and other repositories, but yet, yet there's still so much online. And the DNA thing that just, you know, I remember first speaking about it, maybe just a little over 10 years ago, maybe 12 at a conference. And we didn't know how that was going to play out, but that's been amazing. And then there's products like WikiTree and the other collaborative trees that are out there, those obviously have grown. So those are some of the big changes I think we've seen. But there seems to be no end to the interest in genealogy. There's so many people out there that are discovering it and making connections. And I'm thrilled to be a part of helping them out. Yeah, and I think that grows all the time. And of course, you know, we get to age ourselves when we go back in the day when we got the microfilm out. And that's all there was. And the printed index is to the censuses because we were working from books. And it's like really books. Yeah, that was, yeah. So Daniel's back. Looks like Daniel made it. Can you hear us, Daniel? Maybe. Link once if you have audio. Daniel, if you can hear us, try turning off your camera. I don't think he's hearing us yet. Well, we may not be able to get Daniel's reaction live. So what we're going to do is we're going to go ahead and let Karen tell us a little bit about these discoveries. I will. It has been a great week with folks who are veterans of Irish research showing us the way and folks from other parts of the world diving in. And it's been great as you should be able to see the collaboration. And we like to look at eight great grandparents on these calls and talk about what we found. So starting from Daniel's father's father's father, that's John Loftus' part of his branches. And that's where we found Pat Burke. Patrick Burke is Daniel's third great grandfather. He's still somewhat of a mystery. He is named in marriages of three of his children. So as we're working backwards in Ireland, we see these marriage registers where we get the father of the bride and the groom. So it doesn't give us the mother. But we did find Pat in marriages for three of his children. And then we saw him as the father of a Spencer daughter. And we saw him as a landholder for his son Luke. And then the third was the father of his Spencer daughter, Mary from Rusleaven in Ireland. And I would say that's one of the important things, wouldn't you think, Karen, as far as including the whole family? Because then we do get that information like the fact that he was a landholder. Yes. Yes. And then we know we can go look at those valuations and get some more clues about where to look for these folks. And John's wife was Ellen Noon Loftus. And it's common for, in my part of the family, everybody's grandmother was a Jerokee princess. And in this part of the family, everyone's father was born on the night of the big wind. This was epiphany night in January 6, 1839. Now when we look at the census records for Michael Noon, we find he's a little younger than that. He doesn't claim to have that sort of age. But even as we see here in the United States, as people get older, their claimed age tends to get older or guess what, I was really born on the night of the big wind. Daniel mentioned that he'd love to have some new cousins. And we did find a third cousin for Daniel here among the Noons. I know that Daniel has seen this obituary for his great-grandaunt, but I bet he hasn't met her great-granddaughter, who is one of our members. So we're hoping they'll be able to get together and collaborate on this Noon family where you can see Catherine's obituary is mentioning her sister Ellen Noon Loftus from Ireland. Our next great-grandparent is James Carney. So here one of Daniel's second great-grandfathers was known to be Anthony Carney. And his father was Bartholomew, who was early on Daniel's tree, but this week he found his wife was Mary Hughes. We have not found Mary's parents, but we learned that Mary was born about 1810 in County Mayo, and she was listed in the death records for three of her children to confirm her name. And this death certificate is for Anthony's brother Patrick. And notice on, you can see on the death certificate that Bartholomew is written as Bartley, is his nickname. I hadn't heard that before. For Anthony's brother. Yeah, and I noticed we have that on quite a few of those for these Irish couples, where it was to the father's name, but the mother's name was really, really difficult to find, and that was a lot of our brick walls. Well, it's the same here. I think when I have married, they don't even ask who my parents are. And looking at the Lavins, we deal with the Lavins is Daniel's great-grandparent, and his second great-grandfather is Patrick Lavin. This really, looking at Patrick and his wife and his children really represented how difficult the research can be, a preview for next week with the Smiths, when ancestors have the same names. Daniel's ancestor, Patrick Lavin, married Anne Brennan. So that sounds good. You start seeing records of people whose father is Patrick Lavin, mother is Anne Brennan, they're from County Mayo, and you're like, oh, yes, I've got it. They're not just from Mayo, they're from Kiltamah in Mayo. But guess what? There, we found two couples named Patrick Lavin and Anne Brennan. They were living within 10 kilometers of each other, one in, let me give it a go, Trinfo-Honan and one in Canbrack. The one from Trinfo-Honan, they married in 1874 and had five children, and they were all out, four of them were still with them in 1911, but out on their own, not at home. The Canbrack couple, which is Daniel's ancestors, they were nearby and they married eight years later in 1882. They had six daughters, all still with them in 1911, three at home and three out on their own. But both of these couples had a Catherine, Lavin, and Anne Lavin, and an Ellen Lavin. So we had some fun. And both of the Ellen's, we believe, unless we wouldn't put it past there being a third Patrick Lavin and Brennan in Mayo, in this time period, would not be surprised at all. But both of them had Ellen's, we think, who wound up in the U.S. We know that Daniel's great aunt, great great grand aunt, Ellen, married Henry Mandel and was in New York for a time. And then there was another Ellen who died in St. Louis, but very contemporary, both in America, both with these certificates with Patrick and Anne on them. And this is where Daniel's connected to our global tree right now. So Delia's sister Ellen had a daughter named Lorraine Mandel, and she married a man with deeper American roots. And we found his dad already on the tree. But of course, those connections are subject to change anytime as we keep growing and moving and pruning and trimming and expanding our branches in our global tree. We looked at the Eau Clairees, or the Clairees. We see them in English rendering. And here we found Michael Walsh. Michael is Daniel's third great third great grandfather. And this was exciting because we found a baptism listing Michael Walsh, with parents, Patrick and Richard Heffrin. So that was a great find for us this week. Right. And it is a very likely parents' names baptism. Unfortunately, the week always goes so fast, you know, where we feel we just can't get enough time in. And yeah, I'm always thinking on Wednesday morning of all the, well, what if we went over here and hey, I wish we could spent more time with the leavens. Yes. Yeah, that's the way these weeks always go. Another great grandmother is Kathleen Foley. And a mother was found for Catherine, Catherine Mary Foley, who married Patrick O'Cleary. And Catherine's mother's name, or Kathleen, is Bridget Naughton. And she married Michael Shaughnessy in 1834 in Shannon, Golden. And we've got a 19-year gap between the marriage that we found for Michael and Bridget and the baptism of the first child that has been found. So we suspect that there are more Shaughnessy children that we just haven't found baptisms for yet. Yes. And we did find some interesting gaps in, you know, sometimes just terribly, terribly inconvenient two years missing in a register, a marriage register or something. And yeah, we've got all the marriages for this parish, except for the two years that you had. Yeah. Yeah. And then our final couple, Patrick Wayland, and on this line we found John Cary, Daniel's third great-grandfather, who married Mary or Mary Casey. They had six children that we found from 1844 to 1857. So six and 13 years would keep you busy. John died in 1878. He was 75 years old. He got pneumonia, and it was said to be a 17-day bout of pneumonia that he fought and fought until he succumbed. It's said that Patrick's parents, not Patrick, I'm sorry, that John, John Cary were James, Cary, and Mary. So another spot were if we would have had a few more days. Right. We could have maybe, because you can see how hard we're working to say, well, is it that James Cary? What about the other James Cary? We've got to exclude that before we can make the connection. And our final great-grandparent, Catherine Fracher, and we did prove some parents here, parents of Edmund Walsh, Daniel's third great-grandfather were proven to be Richard Walsh and Judith Hoban. They appeared in 1821 in the census for Moon Coin in County Kilkenny with two children. There's research notes on the profile about possible parents, possible siblings, and would this happen when one of our Challenge Team members found a report of his marriage in a newspaper, and that listed his parish. So they knew where to go looking. And we really enjoyed and were saddened to read about Edmund's son, Peter Walsh, was the youngest of the children of Edmund, and he was born late into the marriage. His father died when he was just four years old and his mother died when he was just seven. He went to Canada and he served in World War I, which was not something that a lot of a lot of Daniel's family members would have done. He served for Canada and unfortunately he was later found to have mental deficiencies that didn't make him a great soldier. He enlisted again. He served for a little while and got sent to hospital in England and again found to have mental issues that prevented his service. We found in records that two of his sisters spent time in an asylum. Later in life he was hearing voices and only sleeping two or three hours a night. The poor guy, he was discharged from service in April of 1918. And we found in the census that he lived in the hospital in Selkirk Hospital for mental disease from 1921 all the way until his death in 1932 at the age of 57. So quite a story about that cousin, Peter. Right. And it was so striking that several times in between, you know, they did the attestments and said, oh, he's fine. Right. Because you know, it looks like a nice young man. He'll be great. We'll send him to serve. That's what he wants to do. And then after a little while things would happen and they'd say, well, he's not going to be and not necessarily that he was completely mentally ill. One of them just said, you know, he's not good soldier material, basically. Yeah. So he's not going to succeed at this. We may as well just let him go. And then he would turn around several years later and attest again and relist. And you know that they went back and forth and he was able to to sometimes gain that clarity, I guess you could say. Right. Yeah. Very interesting. In this line, we also working on Margaret Quinlan, lots of research, lots of collaboration here. And we found that her parents were Pierce Quinlan and Catherine Purcell. Now, Pierce is comes from the same name as Peter. The Greek is Petrus, you know, that's a rock. And Pierce is the French version. We imagine that came over to England with the Normans. So back back in 1066, we start seeing Pierce rather than Peter. We've got up to about 16 different spellings of the name just in English. And then of course, you've got Peter and Pierce in Irish as well for so lots of Peters this week. Yeah. Go ahead. I was just going to say, and we had Patty who he was such a bit immense help. Patty Wilder was such an immense help this week. And he helped us with a lot of that as far as knowing, you know, what the spellings were in the locations and the names between, you know, yeah, the records and what we would put down. Right. And deciding what rendering of the parishes we would put in the place names because on Catherine Friar's line is Daniel's second great-grandfather, another Daniel, Daniel Friar from Waterford. And he was a great proponent of the Irish language, had lessons taught and was a supporter of Irish nationalism as well. He was Christian in Waterford and born not far from Dung Barnon. People were hungry there in the 1870s. In the 1880s, a lot of laborers were out of work. And Daniel leased a field there near Shandon, I believe in Dungarvin in 1885. And now everyone calls it Friarfield. Sorry if I'm butchering your ancestors name because we don't have Patty with us to set us straight. So like I said, Daniel was definitely a promoter of the language collector of Irish manuscripts. We had a lot of fun with the dog licenses this week because they were some of the first records we had easy access to. And we would be like, oh look, this year Daniel's got a red and white terrier and he's still got the red and white terrier. He's licensing again next year for two shillings and the black and white greyhound and then another part of the family, they had black currs. There were a lot of black currs. I don't know if you can tell that Coco the dog is here and she has found the squeaky toy. And the dog licenses were more abundant than the census records. So not only do we know all about Daniel's ancestors, but we know about their dogs as well. Yes. And for those of you that watch the Saturday livecast, that was the type of record that I had hinted at. It was the first time we had that come up this year. So I thought it was kind of cool. It was to get to know, you know, you wish you for detailed information on the ancestors and here you are with the breed, the markings and the sex of the dog. Well, how did we do? I love your fan charts. We all do. So what did you I know me and my me and my fan charts. And you know, this week Daniel wasn't expecting us to have a lot of bounty points and brick wall points. You know, he he knew those brick walls were solid. They're not that far back. And so if the records aren't there, they aren't there. And one of the other problems, of course, was the commonality of the names. You know, he just had so many common names that had to be looked at. And it was really great to see the collaboration. We are a collaborative site. So it was really nice. So you know, people had jumped into discord and asked for help. And you'd have three or four people attacking the same profile and looking at records and seeing how it came out. So at any rate, you know, Daniel had said he was excited if we even found extra children or, you know, a story about one of his ancestors. He said, Oh, you guys are going to find anything. You're not going to get through these brick walls. But we did. And so these are the charts that that I use and some of the captain shoes. Now the yellow spots, this is of course, his nine generation fan chart, what we started with. And the yellow spots are all of the available brick walls. So he had a lot of them. And then where you see the little tiny dots. And I did a little blow up in the corner, like where we kind of team kind of congregated in the one part of his mother's tree. Those are the brick walls. And Daniel get a copy of those so he can look and see exactly who it is, you know, that where the profiles are, and where those brick walls were broken at. Yes, I loved. I mean, this there was more, you know, merging of duplicates and splitting apart, just really finally appealing apart these families from the ones that that would confuse you and tempt you to conflate the different profiles. So really strong teamwork this week. Yeah. And then I'm going to go ahead, poor Daniel. I really feel for him. I'm going to go ahead and talk a little bit about the collaboration before we get to the questions for Drew. We have several ways we collaborate. Once again, this is a very collaborative community. And so we all work, we all work together instead of, you know, each people taking a little spot. Now on the left there is the spreadsheet. We use that to hopefully put down the profile that we're working on so that, you know, if you have 25 people and they're working on it, you're not tripping over other people's work or making somebody lose work if they're working on that profile. Now on the right hand side, you see the G2G posts. We put those out each week for each guest. And that's where people can go and claim bounty points, put interesting finds, things like that. We didn't have a lot of conversations. Sometimes people aren't in Discord. They want to have their conversation on the G2G posts. We just didn't have a lot of that this time, which was fine. And then, you know, our final and most important way is Discord. And that's our live chat that we use. Now, you know, we are a global site. So we have people from all over the world at any time, day or night, there's bound to be somebody working on these profiles. And so this makes it really easy for us to go in and, you know, say, and not necessarily as much this week, but on any week, say, you know, hey, I need a translation done or who's good at finding obituaries. I need somebody that, you know, has newspaper access, things like that. Or, you know, I think I found the right Patrick, but there's like, I don't know, 10 of them. So am I on the right track or not? And several people will just stop and go, let us look and, you know, work together to weed out the records that definitely are not the person you don't need. And so Discord is just invaluable. And sometimes people are just there to cheer each other on. And that's just as important for us. You know, it's good to get that conversation going and make people feel involved and know, you know, that you're working together as a team to make progress on this. Now, we do keep points. The points aren't really the reason most of us are doing this, but, you know, a little extra motivation doesn't hurt. And mostly it just helps us feel like we know where we're at, you know, as far as progress. Now, there's two ways to make points during this, of course, you can get the big ones, which are the bounty points, and that's 10 points each for the first brick wall ancestor, you add to the line. And then there's individual points. And that would be for the nuclear family. So siblings, children that you add. And let me tell you, those add up a lot. We've had some weeks where people weren't even getting bounty points and they were way up there in the scores because of the nuclear family. Now, of course, with Daniel, we didn't have that as much just because, like I said, his brick walls were so close in. But for ours, we had a last minute upset, which was kind of cool because I will say that Maddie Harbin, who's one of the people that always works really hard on these, she was in the most valuable person's slot until just a little bit ago. And Patty jumped right over her, which was just fun because, you know, she's had MVP a couple of times already. And this is Patty's first time participating. So that was really great to see him jump up there. Donna Bowman is another one that participates every week. She, you know, she's willing to get in there and learn the record. She works on any area. She's good at asking questions. And, you know, it's nice to see her recognized as well as everybody else. Now, Melanie McComb, she's an upcoming guest. So she's been participating the last couple of weeks. Right. Keep it in mind, Drew. You know, in my spare time, gotcha. Yeah, in all your free time, in all your free time, you know, because we know that that's why all these genealogy stars are here. Because if you're a genealogist, you never have time to work on your own tree. You know, so see, we're putting it on wiki tree for you for public access. And then of course, our anonymous Sharkey is last. So that's our fifth place. Right. And Mrs. Sharkey actually had some Cormac connections already on the tree before the challenge started. So that was cool to see. And then I'm going to go ahead and show you this and then move it down where I can read it better. This is the score sheet we use. So there's 24 people listed, which means there's more than 24 people that were working on it, because people don't get points for things like working on a space page. Or, you know, if they're doing the article lookups, things like that, peripheral families, sometimes we go down a rabbit hole, you know, and you start adding the sisters and the husbands and the in-laws. And, you know, the more connections that the more people that we add like that, the more likely other connections will be made as far as connecting them to the global tree and finding cousins. So, you know, they don't get points for that, but they do it anyways. And then let's go ahead and take a look at what we got. Everything updated. For total points, we had 187 total points. So that includes our bounty points and those individual points that we talked about. Now, created ancestors, there were 43 direct ancestors added to Daniel's tree, which is great. And then created relatives, those are those nuclear family members, where we talked about where you have the children within one step of the direct ancestor. And there were 84 of those added, so people were busy. And, you know, each one of those was checked out carefully. They weren't just, oh, I'm going to grab a census that says these are the kids and throw it up there. You know, they worked really hard to make sure that they had the correct children for the correct parent with all those common names. And, you know, it took a little bit of extra time, but it was definitely worth it. And then the bounty points, which Daniel wasn't expecting any, and wound up with 60 points. So that's six brick wall ancestors. That's a lot more than zero. And I know, you know, he's got to be excited to hear that. And next two numbers are just once again, to help us see where we are with our progress. Now, 325 individual profiles edited this week. This is this week's work. And then this is crazy. Total edits. And once again, we don't count anything that's beyond the direct ancestors and those nuclear relatives. So this is just the work on those. Every time somebody went in, added a date, made a correction, added more sources, it counted as an edit, 1,418 edits in a week. So yay to the team because you guys worked really hard, really hard. And I like seeing that. Okay. And so I'm going to go ahead and remove that out of there for a minute. We're going to do that. And now we get to do the fun questions for you, Drew. We already heard a little bit about who you are and what you do. And so what actually got you interested in genealogy? Well, I've often said that you can't grow up in South Carolina in the upstate without knowing who your people are. That's a question you might get, particularly from a stranger. And so I grew up there, my mother's family is all from South Carolina. And so I was curious, but I would go to the local public library. And really they didn't, it was a small town, and they didn't have a lot. And I do have common names like Smith, of course, but that's from not from South Carolina, that's from New Jersey and back to Ireland. And King and Martin, my mother was a Martin, that's my middle name, and so forth. So these are really common names. So I never made much progress on this. And, and so it wasn't until I had, well, I guess you can blame the internet for this, because I moved to Tampa, Florida to take a job. And I was in IT for a number of years. And, and I realized there were people online, places like America Online and CompuServe and places you may remember, like Prodigy and Genie and Delphi, where genealogists would hang out in the early 90s. And, and I thought, well, maybe I can do genealogy. So, so I did, I got interested in trying to learn a bit more about my, my family. Now, who is your favorite ancestor, if you had to pick one? And that would have to be my great-great-grandmother, Mary Ann Riley Smith. She, when I was a kid, I was told that the Smiths used to have money. And I was, of course, my first question was, why don't I have any of it? Because it obviously didn't come down to me. And I assumed, erroneously, that there must have been some male Smith who was a rich man who made a lot of money. And as I dug into it and learned, I found out, no, it was a Smith woman by marriage. And she lived up in Newark, New Jersey. She made a go of a glass-bending and beveling business. And when she died in 1897, give or take, she was one of the wealthier women in New Jersey. And, but I was fascinated because she was clearly a self-made woman who didn't get her money from her husband, didn't get her money from her father. She was a successful business person on her own. And that alone fascinated me. And her obituaries and things that I read about her told me a little bit about her personality. And I've often said that if they ever make a movie of her life, I guess I'll have to write a screenplay or something. I want Meryl Streep to play Mary Ann Riley Smith because I think she's just an amazing woman. That's great. Now, do you have any other interesting stories to share about your family or your ancestors? Well, I do. I mean, you know, I benefit from the fact of having a diverse background. I have the Irish that came into New Jersey in the 1840s and later. I have the Jewish that came into, you know, New York City area and eventually some made their way to Newark, New Jersey. And then I had the Southern, the deep Southern roots that go all the way back to, you know, South Carolina, but probably back to Virginia in the early 1600s. So I have quite a lot to play from. But if I were to tell just one story that I like sharing, I was attending my mother and father's 50th wedding anniversary. This would have been 1993. I'd been serious about genealogy about a year. And I went back up to South Carolina to help them celebrate. My brother and I were, you know, they were the only children of my parents. And so while I was up there for about a week in early 1993, I said, let's go visit some of these cemeteries where my ancestors are buried. And we went over to the next county where I said, well, you know, one of our great grandmother's brothers was a Methodist minister who had a pottery factory. Maybe we can find where he's buried. And so I, my brother and I were driving around in this area where I thought the pottery factory might have been. And I said, well, there's a little Methodist church. Maybe he's buried in the cemetery of that little Methodist church. We could see it. And we drove over there and started walking around and didn't see anything. And a black pickup truck drives by and stops. And a man gets out in overalls with a big hound dog and said, are you looking for anybody in particular? And I said, well, I'm looking for the Reverend Jesse Pitts body because that was his name. And they pronounced it like that then, B-O-D-I-E. And he says, well, you won't find him here, but if you'll show me a picture of him, I'll tell you where he's buried. And my brother and I are like, why would this man want to see a picture of our great grandmother's brother? Turns out that this man was the secretary of the local lodge. He was collecting pictures of all the past presidents. And Reverend Jesse Pitts body was one of the two he was missing. And he knew where he was buried and he had us follow him to another little Methodist church with a tiny little cemetery. And there I was in a matter of minutes standing at the grave of Reverend Jesse Pitts body, my great grandmother's brother. I know it was almost spooky, right? So it was an incredible story. What's the odds? I know. And now usually we ask how long or when you actually found out about Wicked Tree, how long you've known about it. I know you and I were talking before we went live. It has been around since 2008, but you've got that wonderful shirt there from... I know. 2011. From Jamboree in Southern California. Yeah. So you definitely have known about us for a long time. Absolutely. Certainly since you've had booths at conferences, because I've used to go on a very regular basis to things like NGS, FGS, Jamboree, and so forth. And so when there was a, you know, I would stop at the Wicked Tree booth, find out a little bit more about it and learn some things. So yeah, it's been a while. That's great. Now what are your current most difficult brick walls? Well, there are a few I'd like to share here. I want to know who Mary Ann Riley Smith's parents are because I don't know. She, all I know from obituaries is that she was, it said she was from County Cabin. And unfortunately, when I first started in genealogy, I went on to a website that said the most common surnames in County Cabin are Smith and Riley. And, you know, so I'm like, oh, great. So what am I going to do here? So I've never really found documentation, anything I can have confidence in of knowing who her parents are. And, you know, nothing about that or where in County Cabin she was from. So she's one. And then if we go back to my great, great grandparents, again, the ones that, you know, I, and these are, again, back to these common names. So one of my great, great grandfathers is James Martin and another is Charles King and one married in Elizabeth. The other married a Leti, which might be Elizabeth, I don't know, or Letitia maybe. And I have no idea what their maiden names are. So that means I don't know who their parents are or anything. So I would love to know who Charles King's wife Leti, who she was. And I would like to know who James Martin's wife Elizabeth, who she was. And they were both from, Charles King was living in Lawrence County, South Carolina. James Martin was living in Edgefield County, South Carolina, fairly close in the area. So those are the brick walls I'm most interested in. Any other areas you want focused on or? Well, you know, it's, it's fast. I'm, I know you have some experts here. I, like Louis, is in the chat area. And he and I exchanged a few messages about my Jewish ancestry. I have them back to, to Europe, to Poland, and perhaps to Markova. But I don't know anything about them before that. So I don't know if there are any records or if that's even an option for the Wineglass family, for the Grottovitz family, or any of them. Those are not common Jewish surnames. So no, there's not Cohen or any of those really common Jewish names. But yeah, my, my paternal grandmother was Jewish. And so I've done as much as I can on that. I've made contact with some of my Jewish cousins, but I don't think any of us know anything beyond the immigrant, you know, who they are. So that would be of interest to me. The Irish that I've already mentioned, and by the way, Smiths aren't as bad as you might think. I mean, they are, and they aren't. Yeah, they're common names like Charles and William and Patrick and Philip and things like that. But I was lucky. I did want to share one other story if I may that I received an email from a woman in Houston, Texas, whose family was from Mobile, Alabama. She was a descendant of an Anna Smith, who had married a Kelly. Turns out Anna Smith was the sister to my James Smith, the husband of Mary Ann Riley Smith. And the James's father had sent a letter to his daughter, Anna, from Newark, New Jersey to Mobile, telling her about what was going on. And she sent me a copy with a transcription as well. And that letter basically said, you know, I'm Philip Smith of Chlobali, which is a teeny tiny little place in the eastern edge of County, Cabin, Ireland. So I know exactly where the Smiths are from. They apparently are from Chlobali. I know, I was I call it the luck of the Irish. How else would I've gotten that letter? How else would she have contacted me? So I'm, that's been great for that. This the my mother's family, all those Southerners. Yeah, I mean, the more I know about them, the better. I know there's lines that have been done by other people. I don't know how reliable they all are. And so I'd like to know more about them. But that would be interesting. And I've one more little tidbit. I believe I'm descended from a couple who lived in the Satchers of who were Quakers and lived at Pensbury. They, it was a couple that actually were managing Pensbury for William Penn. And he, they weren't married at the time. And Penn and his wife were going to head back to England. And they rushed the marriage because he didn't want an unmarried couple left behind running his Pensbury. So they didn't do all the three weeks of announcements. They just did it really quick. And they reenact the marriage of my ancestors at Pensbury about once a year. I've never been, but I'd like to go. I want to see that and show up in whoever's reenacting my ancestors go, Oh, by the way, I'm your descendant, you know, and I don't know how they react to that. They probably stay in character and go, how nice, you know, so, so that I was, I was wondering if you had Quakers, that I apparently do have more than I thought. Yeah, I think some of the came into South Carolina were probably Quakers that came down from Pennsylvania and through the Carolinas into South Carolina. So I do think I do have some Quakers there. I don't have, I think the only group or area I don't really have is like New England. I just don't that I'm aware of. I'll be surprised if anyone finds a New England direct ancestor. I mean, yeah, I might have some distant cousins, but yeah. Yeah, go ahead and throw the challenge out, though, because these team members are amazing. Just what I think, you know, I haven't seen it all. They come up with something else cool and amaze me. Now, do we have any questions from the audience? They're excited to work on Mary's. They are. I know some of them have probably already snuck off because they do that. They're looking things up. Well, there is something for everybody, whether it's Irish, Jewish, deep Southern, it's all there. You have lots of things to pick from, right? Yeah. And that's just a lot of fun. And one of the, you know, one of the great things about WikiTree with all the projects and whatnot that we do. John's asking about DNA. Do you want DNA confirmations done? I mean, I've tested with all the major companies. I have matched a lot. Actually, most of my, well, let me limit it, the discussion to, if I may, to ancestry, although I can say something about 23 and me as well. I've matched a lot of my mother's kinfolk, which is not surprising how since they've been in America since the 1600s. And a lot of them are through my body ancestry, which I always used to use as a joke when I'd say, I researched the body, family, and I know where the bodies are buried. And they used to spell it with two D's. And when they got, one brother went to North Carolina, one went to South, I'm just sending from the poor ones who went to South Carolina. They could not afford to keep both D's. So they dropped one of them. And some of the modern descendants actually do pronounce it boaty, but it was pronounced body back. I'm almost certain it was back in time. And I've connected with a lot of DNA cousins who are body descendants. That's a lot of them. I have connected to third cousins, identified a third cousin on my Jewish lines, who's descended from the Gradovitz, I think from the Gradovitz family. And he's on Facebook. So I get to see all the, he's a very artistic person. I get to see all his great drawings and things he does. And so I've done the DNA there. And oh, Louis says I'm not connected to his Jewish line of 31 degrees from him. But well, you know, who knows. And so yeah, I'd love to see that fleshed out. But yeah, I'd say what I have not matched a lot of, well, I don't think I've matched a lot on my father's line. But again, keeping in mind that the Irish have only been here since the 1840s, you know, there, there's not as many descendants. It was a big couple of big families, but not, I guess a lot of them had not done the DNA testing. So I've matched a few Smiths. And by the way, there's other Irish names I have other than my Smiths and Riley's from County Cabin. I also have Bannons and Highlands from County Leash, who went to England first. They left around the time of the famine and spent about a generation over in the area of England of Oldbury. And then some of them left Oldbury to come to Newark. But I have found a few cousins descended who stayed in England. And so those, those have always fascinated me a little bit. But I, there's a lot more work to be done on the descendants of the Bannons and the Highlands who stayed behind in England and who did not come to the United States. I would love to know more about who they are. If we do work in the deep south right now, I'm Drew's 18th cousin and I'm beating Maggs, who is his 19th cousin. But if we work in upstate South Carolina too much, that probably is not going to hold. Yeah, Maggs and I have talked about a lot of, yeah, Lawrence being our common area there with Lawrence County. Yeah, she and I have, no, we haven't made the direct connection yet. But yeah, that's that we know. That's awesome. It happens. The one line which needs to be documented before I can accept a lot of these cousins is probably the pits line, which is another one of my favorites. My ancestors were the pits. And so that seems to be another one where I seem to match a lot of people through some of the collaborative trees, like family search, family tree, if I'm allowed to say that. And yeah, I seem to match a lot through the pits line. So there's just a lot of people with that ancestry, I guess, from the pits that came from England and Virginia and then down into South Carolina. Well, I checked and actually it says Drew and Mindy are 21st cousins once removed and it's on the body line. It is on the body line. Well, yeah. Yeah, they line too. Okay. Well, they are married. We got to work on all the others. So yeah, okay. Yep. But and what about pictures? Do you have pictures that we can add to the wiki tree profiles just because we like to bling them up a little bit if we can? Not much before the don't know that I have much before the grandparents, to be honest. I did not inherit those. So that's a good question. I, you know, when that gentleman who wanted to see a picture of my Reverend Joseph's body, we had to tell him, you know, we think we have the, we might have one of my great grandmother or her sisters, but we don't have those. But I'll see what I can find in the next day or two and see if I can find any photos I can share with you. But I'm just back to the grandparents. I don't have a lot deeper. No, I take it back. I do think I have one of my Jewish great grandmother. Um, I think I do have one of her in the family, but that's about as far back as I can get with photography. Yep. I'm not sure the thatchers are. Is that, do we, do we mean the satyrs or the satyrs? Okay. That's the only thing. Yeah. The satyr was the one who or satyr was the one who married at pensbury. So that's that line. But I don't know if I recognize the thatcher name. I'm not saying I don't have it. I just don't recognize it. Yeah, you never know, huh? I can't remember all the ones that are out in my branches either. Somebody else, somebody will email me and be like, Oh yeah, my great, great, great, great, grandpa. So and so, how are you related to him? I'm like, wait, let me check. Yeah. And again, yeah, when you have a name like Smith and you got, Oh, I've only got 10 people named Charles Smith or William Smith or, you know, there's so many. Those are the best messages where they're like, how are you related to Harry Smith? Right. Okay, you're gonna, like, first of all, I've got 20 trees. Which one is it? Well, my favorite, you know, when I, when I first started with this, and I was going to a lot of national conferences, and people would come up to me, they'd see my name Smith and they go, Oh, where, you know, I'm maybe related. I have Smiths and I look at them and go, where my Smiths were Irish Catholics in Newark, New Jersey. And that would usually go, Oh, nice. And they leave, you know, yeah. And the one time I was at a conference in like, Tennessee, I think, and, and someone, a woman came up to me and I said, um, you know, we may be connected through our Smiths. And I said, Well, minor Irish Catholics from Newark, New Jersey. And she goes, Yeah, what church were they from? And I'm like, I was, I can remember, it did turn out one of her cousins had married one of my Smith cousins. We were connected. Except then she disappeared and I couldn't find her for like a year and a half until she showed up at another conference. And I'm like, Oh my gosh. And she, and the thing was she had moved and she was now living about half an hour from where I live. Oh, great. And I went over to her house and we laid out everything and had all the obituaries and all the details. And yes, she was a cousin of a cousin. She was indirectly related to me. So that was like the only time I've had someone come up and go, Yeah, those Smiths. Yeah. And we love our toys here at Wiki Tree. So we love the connection finder and relationship finder. And you know, if there isn't a direct relationship, then finding those how many steps to, it just makes it so easy to look it up, you know, and we're always surprised you start looking and you're like, Oh, I'm not going to be related to that guest. And you're like, Oh, wait a minute. I mean, even if it's way out there and they've just increased this. So, you know, it used to only be, you went like 10 steps or whatever, and now it's just like way out there. So it's, it's just a lot of fun. It was fun when I went to the last roots tech that was in face, I guess it was the last face to face roots tech, or maybe it was online. I'm trying to remember. And, and I did the thing and I actually had a couple of eighth and ninth cousins show up. I think so. And maybe one that was even a little closer than that. That was a shocker. But yeah, so I liked David Smith's note about the person who messaged him and said, Are you my fourth great grandfather? His name is David. Imagine. Yeah, I think he had to let her down. That's pretty funny. It's pretty funny. Yeah. Okay, well, I think if that's all the questions we are done for the day, I want to thank all those participants that are out there. And I know some of you have already started working on Drew's tree. We get excited. We get a little bit excited when the new week starts. Thank you, Drew for joining us. I'm really sorry for the difficulties with Daniel. Daniel, I hope you're watching this later and get to see it all the way through. I know you're super excited about what we found for you. And you guys can check us out more at wikitree.com. Make sure you subscribe to receive alerts. You can find us on Facebook, Twitter, here on YouTube. And we'll say goodbye. So long.