 Well, our next speaker is Dasha Uitz. She's a new media and sound artist from Canada. Dasha is known for her examinations of communication technology in the domestic sphere. She uses DIY aesthetics and practices as an artistic method to create sound installation, performances, drawings, or beautiful high-tech trash as she writes on her Instagram. Dasha is a fellow at the Berlin Center for Advanced Studies in Arts and Sciences and guest professor in new media and sound art at the Karlsruhe University of Art and Design. Her art was presented at many international conferences and festivals and exhibitions, so we are very happy to welcome Dasha here today, tonight, talking about the links between socialism, lawn mowers, and media art. Enjoy this day to see yours, Dasha. Hello. Nice to see people in the crowd, and hello to people who also might be watching online and later through YouTube or however. So, I am an artist, and I like to do a lot of electronics. Some of the things I like to look at are obsolete technology and this concept of planned obsolescence, aesthetics of failure, everything that's written in my slides here. I wanted to start out by mentioning one of my main people of interest as an inspiration point, Dr. Ursula Franklin. She's actually not so well known here in Germany, but she's what we call in Canada a national treasure. We have a school named after her, and she's written a lot about... She comes from a scientific background. She's a physicist, but she's also a strong advocate feminist pacifist, and she writes about technology in these really interesting metaphorical ways where she refers to technology being a home and how people live in and throughout it, and essentially thinking of technology as a practice and not just objects and things, but systems where people are involved. Myself, I'm interested in deconstructing electronics from the household, and the reason why is because it's pretty accessible. I went to art school. I don't have any training in engineering or anything like this, so the best thing I can possibly do when I want to experiment with technology is go to the garbage, go to the dumpster, and pull out old gear that is no longer useful to anybody else, and I can take it into my studio and I can take it apart and see what it provides me with as far as artistic inspiration. So I never really start out with an artistic concept. I more look at a machine and I say, okay, machine, what can you tell me that's interesting to work with? So I think a lot of us in the audience and here at the Congress are familiar with this concept of planned obsolescence. I do like to introduce it, however, because sometimes when I talk about it with my students, I get asked if I believe in the conspiracy theory of planned obsolescence, and I would like to point out as probably many of you know that this was no conspiracy theory, it's a business model that started when in the Great Depression in USA, this was one way to get out of a big economic jam was to produce products that had a limited lifespan so that people would buy things again and again and again. And we really haven't stopped doing that, which is causing us a lot of problems because we keep having this approach. So what I'm gonna do now is I'll show you a few sound installations and then I'm gonna show you some DIY videos that I worked on and then a new project which has to do with dissecting a lawnmower. And I'm very happy to be sort of showing it to you guys here because it actually has its origins in this part of the world. So maybe even some of the locals would have used this lawnmower back in the day. So how long ago was this? I don't know, maybe close to however many years ago, maybe 2012 then you started to phase out analog television signals in Canada. And instead of letting people know that they can get a converter and plug their TV to get digital signals, a lot of people are just like, well I guess it's just time to throw out the old TVs. So I spent a lot of time going around my neighborhood and feeling kind of bad for these old televisions. I'd like to point out I come from a family where my father was an antique dealer. So anything that's old and sort of left on the side has always been something interesting to me because what I learned from my family is that looking at an object, looking at how it was used, looking at how an object was used and can kind of give you an insight into society or what was going on at that time in history. Kind of like if you were to look at a painting for art historical purposes, it's like a window onto a certain time. So what I noticed, I'll just go back to that one, sorry. Okay, maybe not. What I noticed is that the old CRT televisions produced a lot of electrostatic emissions. So when you put your head in front of it, your hair sort of gets magically lifted up. And when I was doing those experiments in my studio with my hat, I really thought that I like came upon something really unique, you know? I can make static electricity make things move. And then I did a bit of research and what I found out is those were experiments being done like over like hundreds of years ago. I just happened to rediscover them. So what you see here is the electrostatic bell choir and in front of the television, you have these bell stands, these electrostatic bell stands, which are their own little circuit. In the center we have like the ground rod and on either side we have those bells. And hanging suspended between each of them is a really light material which is called a pith ball. It's actually the white material that's inside of a tree branch. And so when the TV turns on or off, it gets this boost of static electricity which makes it waver back and forth. This installation works exceptionally well in dry environments. So on my tech rider I actually have a big dehumidifier because I have shown it before in old castles and it's completely dead at that point because the moisture kills it. So I have to run around with hairdryers and try to dry up the screens. So this is one of the installations. So I sort of make something that looks a bit like an altar. It's using solid state relays to control the sequences of TVs going on and off. I have a pretty basic program running on an Arduino. This project keeps getting more and more challenging to make as it goes along because the TVs are not as easy to find anymore and I can't get the same effect with a flat screen. So right now I have a lot of old televisions and storage and I'm just hanging on to them. Who knows, maybe one day the artwork will be bought and I won't have to pay money monthly to store them. The bells themselves are actually from old rotary telephones and grandfather clocks. So yeah. Next is a work called the Feedback Babies. And what this is, is these are baby monitors or baby phones that were really abundant, let's say, in the second hand store. This was made in, these were started to be made around 83. So this was a big part of my childhood. I don't know if I used one or not but I noticed that they would always show up at the thrift store. So I slowly started to collect them because I thought, you know, if I get an abundance of these things it could probably be interesting enough to make an installation with them. And I really like the quality of the feedback because in one way it sounds like crying. Can you guys hear that enough? Or should I turn it up? No, it's good. Okay, I see some, how's that? So I noticed when I moved the monitor in a certain pattern in front of the, or when I moved the receiver in front of the transmitter in a certain pattern I would get nice sounds and that one up here is what's working really well but to figure out how to actually make that movement took me forever. But eventually the work transformed. That kind of looks a little bit, now what I'm thinking of calling them feedback babies, that one looks a little bit mean. It's like hanging it. So here's a close up, a couple of details of what it turned into. So in both of those two pieces sound is a pretty important element but I never approach sound as like a musician. I'm actually really not interested in making music. I'm more interested in hearing what the machines are giving me and then sort of placing that in a space and then seeing what it does. So yeah, they're not really so composed or anything like this. Okay, so I wanted to get into some of my DIY videos. Now I'm realizing this is almost 10 years old. So for this next experiment what we're going to be doing is we're going to be making an audible representation of AC power. So what you'll see here is we have a power cord that's plugged into a power bar that's going to the wall and then we have it going to a transformer and what the transformer is doing is it's dropping it from 120 volts AC down to 15 volts which is a little bit more easy for us to manage for our purposes and it's directly driving the speaker. So what you're going to be hearing is this 60 hertz, 60 cycle hum which generally is something that we try to avoid. We try to cut out a lot of gear for music because it's made in certain ways so it gets rid of this hum but we actually are wanting to hear precisely that and nothing else. So I'm going to turn on this thing, little power bar, I'm going to hear it. So here it is. So these are the kinds of things you get up to in Canada when it's really cold out. So I, this was at a time where I was really first getting into working with this idea of open source software and everything and there is this idea like you always have to contribute back to the community. I'm like, I'm definitely not doing any fucking documentation for pure data. Even though I did, it was boring. So I was like, I know I'll make these videos and this will be my contribution. So these videos that I made do go on are on YouTube. Yeah, but I mean, now this is quite a normal thing but 10 or close to 10 years ago, I don't know what I was doing. I was just putting them on there and it's nice to know that they still get seen. This next video is from a collaboration I do with Create Digital Media, where we bring a bunch of people together and over the course of about five days, people do all sorts of hacking related to music. There's a lot of knowledge transfer going on and sometimes we find interesting hacks and we share them. Last few hours late at night at the Hack Lab at the Artifact Festival and a few of us are here to show you a really fun hack that we found. Somebody purchased a secondhand child's fake microphone that gave some pretty interesting echo effects and then of course it was busted open in the spirit of the Hack Lab and then we realized that there was this really interesting disco LED in there and we were playing around with it and then we thought it was like, hey man, why don't we just jack it into the mixer and see if we can hear the actual sounds of this little disco LED and what we realized was something quite fascinating. There's actually a little chip, little integrated circuit on the inside of the LED that gives us some extra special surprise. So I'm going to patch it into this jack here and then hit it, Marie. Has anyone done this before? It's pretty fun. It's like a little Alvanoto on a chip inside of... You see a little crappy looking party disco LED like this. You might want to patch it into some speakers because there's a pretty interesting sound waiting to be heard. So drawing schematics and using... I studied for one year interior design before one of the teachers like, you don't belong here, you should go to art school. But I spent a whole year learning how to do technical drawing and drafting and maquette building and this was very useful because I learned how to draw lines. So there's a lot of line drawings. It's not easy and different sizes of lines, different widths of line mean different things. So then on to... Let's move on to this one. What I would call probably my most technically ambitious DIY videos. What you're seeing here right now is the temple wheel of the Sideman 5000, which is the world's oldest commercially available drum machine which is what Warlitzer said when it came out in 1959. Although there seem to have been other things going on in different countries, but this one got a lot of hype. What's special about it too is that it's working on vacuum tubes, on valves, so it's particularly scary in a certain level because it's a lot of high voltage and people have this mystical idea about vacuum tubes a lot of the time. So I made a 10-part series online about how each section of the drum machine works, including things like the speaker, the temple wheel, and all sorts of this. Sourcing the schematic wasn't the easiest thing I've ever done. It was somewhat of a hunt. I did find a retired music critic who was happy to email one to me and give me some pointers as well. So Sideman would usually be in a box like that and they marketed it in several ways. One of them, one of the ideas is that it was a teaching machine so I should say it plays ballroom dance music at various different tempos, okay? If you speed up Foxtrot, it turns into techno. And then there's Chacha and Samba. It pretty much sounds like old-timey music most of the time. So I think it's most impressive, however, when the lid is off, because there's moving parts and beautiful wiring and this sort of thing. So I really wanted to emphasize that. Yeah, so I have a couple of the videos here. Maybe we watch one or two, but you can watch them all online as well. So, I take a little break. Ladies and gentlemen, we are gathered. The central goal is to convince the human ear that it is producing real-life instrument sounds and this is what we call sound synthesis. Now try saying that three times fast. Sound synthesis, sound synthesis, sound synthesis. Sound synthesis is the technique of generating sounds from scratch using electronics. Now, news flash people, Sideman isn't the only machine that synthesizes sound. Any of the bloop sounds your computer or video games make all generate audio using this technique. And just like the guts of the tone generator, synthesizing sound can seem quite complicated, but what we have to keep in mind here is that the science behind sound synthesis is derived from how real-life sounds are produced. As you know, sounds are waves of air that travel in different patterns with varying frequency and amplitude. And our human ears can make sense of a wide range of frequencies. It's very low and has applied math to the physics of sound and once we've got numbers, we can engineer electronic models that allow us to manipulate waves of electrons so that they behave the same way as real-life sound waves do. Sound synthesis inside of Sideman starts right here. This is what we call our wide band noise. People, I put the wrong one on. There was a whole section that you were gonna see. We'll just skip over and look at the tone generators, all right? Take a closer look at what's going on with the tubes inside of EC92. And this is a very important part of the circuit because this tube is in charge of generating all the signals required to make all the Sideman sounds. So in a way, it's sort of like Genesis of sound synthesis inside Sideman 5000. Further down, we have these three tubes here. We have an ECC83, an ECC92, and an EF93. They're part of this circuit that I just mentioned here, but they're also connected to the shimmer generator and the shimmer generator is creating symbols like pulling out one of Sideman's teeth. They press down on symbols. We don't have anything anymore. Now, symbols is back in the picture. The four ECC83s, and inside each of these glass envelopes, we actually have two elements and each element is controlling one of the other sounds that Sideman makes. And on either half of the tube, we have something called a trimmer potentiometer. And this is something that can be adjusted to change the filter, or the tone filter. And then that allows us to sort of change the timbre of the sound that's being created. What's cool about this trimmer plot is it's got a specific little spot for me to jam my screwdriver in, and I can do that here. Right now I'm affecting temple block. This section of the circuit is for pre-amplification. So all of the signals that are being generated inside this part of Sideman end up over here where they get boosted once before going down over to the amplifier. So I should point out Sideman is a bit of a beast. I got hurt a lot of the time along the way. There's parts where there's like 300 volts coursing through and it's like, ow. Or I thought it would be cool to do performances with it. And the first one I did, I like bent over to use my mixer and I had just gotten my hair cut. And it was too short to put in a ponytail like I usually have, which is not just for fashion, but for function. And my hair got caught in the rotor. And a big clump of it came out and I sort of disappeared behind the machine for a few minutes while I tried to figure out what to do with myself. So I don't really do performances with that anymore. Anyhow, as I mentioned before, there's like an increasing number of people and women too taking part in this world of DIY videos. And one controversial figure who I kind of really love is Naomi Wu, the real sexy cyborg. Do people follow her? Yeah, okay. So she's from Shenzhen and she makes videos in her workshop. A lot of it has to do with 3D printing and coding and other things. She's pretty like into her like badass cyberpunk style. So there's a lot of fashion related hacks too. And she's also a pretty strong advocate for women in science, technology, STEM as they call it, transhumanism, open source and body modifications. So also if you can see she's done a lot of work on her body because she's like becoming a cyborg. But unfortunately there is this scandal that occurred where the CEO of Make Magazine actually didn't believe that she was a real thing. Like the idea was like too mind blowing for him to think that there wasn't like people behind this woman doing DIY videos with a 3D printer. So she called it the equivalent of getting gamergated by him. But what was really interesting is she's pretty persistent. She was pointing people to her FAQ section if you were ever interested in reading it, which gives a really interesting background into her aesthetic and the way that she moves about her city and the big differences that might occur between what people consider sexy or what have you between Chinese culture and Western culture. So this was pretty interesting. And eventually she did get an apology from the CEO of Make, which was quite a thing to happen. Now unfortunately though, Make has continued to have a bit of problems even in the German publications. There's this one publication, The Smart Home Hacks. And there's in the introduction, there's a section called about Waf. I translated it from German. And Waf refers to something called the Wife Acceptance Factor, which let me read here. Wife acceptance factor or Wife approval factor is an assessment of design element that either increases or diminishes the likelihood of a wife approving the purchase of expensive consumer electronic products such as high fidelity loudspeakers. So I go, okay, I didn't know that one before and I kind of like old things. So I was a bit surprised by this. But I was more than anything a bit more surprised by what this book was saying. So if you look at the sections that I've highlighted here and saying only a few things would make me more happy than if a woman would pick up a screwdriver after reading this book to replace her regular light switches with radio-controlled ones, like, I don't know if we need a book to tell us to pick up a screwdriver. And then later on, it goes on to say that she will go ballistic if the self-installed radio-controlled alarm system cannot be shut off in the most simplest ways. And he, on the other hand, will open the case and bypass the right contact. So anyways, I think this was an attempt at a joke. However, I don't think it's very funny. And I don't think that I would go ballistic in this instance. I mainly go ballistic if people are making jokes at the expense of my people. So this is one of the things that still occurs when entering into this discussion of DIY culture while being a woman. Now what I'm going to do, what I'm gonna do now is I'm gonna kind of look at that, look at that concept, but through a different lens. So I'm gonna switch a little bit into this next part and I'm gonna give you guys a little brief introduction to the history of Cold War Eastern Germany, which feels funny because I'm here in Leipzig. So just some very brief points. During this time when the wall was up on this side where we are now in the East, there was really a scarcity of raw materials and industrial materials. There was an abundant skilled workforce. There was severe import restrictions and limited access to domestic technology and household electronics, but there was a strong culture of ingenuity and repair. One of the things that I noticed myself doing, especially when I started out doing electronics was I was always trying to find other people like me in electronics. So if you can imagine, it's kind of exciting to find a user manual where there's a woman fixing a lawnmower. And it turns out that there's actually in the GDR, a lot of women showing us how lawnmowers work. Now this idea of equality of women was a very strongly propagated goal. Like this is something that's very present in socialism. So that's part of a socialist ideology. But at the same time, there was a lot of people who didn't come back from the war. So women needed to take on a more, a role that was outside of the home, for instance, to help rebuild the country afterwards. So like people who were once housewives were all of a sudden in brigades to rebuild. So it was normal that there was this sort of imagery going around to encourage people to be, women to be taking on responsibilities that might have otherwise been just seen for men. And there was, yeah, so I have a collection of these manuals. And I will point out, a lot of people ask, how did I come across the trolley, Rasenmeyer? And I did live in Weimar, which is pretty close by for about a couple of years while I worked at the university there. And I lived with a retired television repairman. That's this guy, that's Wolfie. And his home really hasn't changed since the wall came down, which is really interesting for me. And it was interesting for him to have somebody around that wanted to look at the old televisions that he would fix and this sort of thing. So I spent a lot of time learning how things work, learning German at the same time. And this is what it all revolved around, was looking at this old technique. I found this, I thought maybe people at the CCC might find this interesting. He was also making plans for fixing keys and getting into locks, like people might be here. Anyways, one of the things that I would do is work in the garden. And so here we have the trolley. And I mean, there's something quite captivating about it. I mean, this is this helmet looking thing. This is just the motor hood, okay? There's slots in it for there to be air circulation. But I couldn't quite help but feel like there's definitely something menacing about that lawnmower. And it looks like it's about to do war on the grass in the yard. I mean, I don't think it was meant to be that way. I think this is pure functionality, but as an artist I'm looking at this and it's really inspires me in a certain way. So the project that I'm working on right now is this idea of reimagining GDR technology in the age of planned obsolescence. And the idea is can deconstructing socialist era technology and connecting it to present day digital culture offer alternative readings of our critical entanglement with technology. So what kind of patterns and juxtapositions emerge when domestic electronics in commonplace attitudes, cultural practices and techniques that surrounded technology from this historically significant socialist period inhabit the realms of capitalist culture. I'm specifically interested in this idea of use and reuse and when we look at how people from the GDR were and are still working with technology this question of obsolescence becomes a bit blurry because things keep getting repaired and keep working. Meanwhile, the rest of the world keeps buying new lawnmowers. So I'll show you a bit of the work that I've done so far with it. I worked on this introduction video with AGF who's a musician who's also originally from the GDR. The idea here is to look at the sort of object, the fetishized objects that we see in tech culture now and sort of apply it to this motor hood. What's so funny? Is there anybody in the audience that had a trolley lawnmower? Yes. And were you like scared of it? I'm kidding. Yeah. So anyhow, I'm presently also working on a series of photographs with the, let's just call them helmets. Cause that's what they are really looking like. So when I first came across the lawnmower in my yard in Weimar, I was like, oh man, this thing is so special and unique. How do I get all of them? And then I realized I don't have to worry because eBay Kleinen's Agni is full of people selling parts, selling blades, selling just the motor hoods. And I'm now part of this cool club of old guys that trades parts. And sometimes I can have one motor hood if I give like a motor bed or if I have wheels or something like this. So it's really fun. It's like often it's a, you know, and then sometimes they get very skeptical. They're like, what are you doing with all these? You got seven trolleys? And I'm like, I'm an artist. They're like, I don't care. You can't have them if you don't need them. So yeah, I have to like downplay that part because it doesn't get me very far. So yeah, the photographs are large scale, although that kid's pretty small too. And I'm putting them in on pedestals. So they look like they had this history as like some warrior, the warrior of the lawn. And yeah, actually there'll be an exhibition in April at Halle Filzen and this work will be part of it. And I will close by showing you the next most inspiring lawnmower from the GDR. There's something quite lovely about the ZRM 450. Now what you purchase is you get the chassis of your lawnmower and then you find somebody that has a ball machine, a screwdriver, an electric drill and then you put both of them together. When I looked at these, I didn't laugh like you guys or I just like restored my faith in humanity. I was like, this is amazing. You know, this is really a concept that's useful for us now to think like we don't need more stuff. We just need to make friends with the neighbor who has the thing that we need to make our lawnmower work. And I like this idea of fusing two pieces of technology and getting something new out of it. So based on this new wonderful insight, the next plan with the trolley is to try to somehow turn it into a record player. The motor goes pretty fast on the trolley, but I think I could slow it down. And there's lots of information out there in the high fidelity world of turntable building about how to build your own record player. So the idea is to really like smash some of these trolleys into making a thing that can play music. So yeah, and that's the end and just a small reminder for New Year's to make sure to turn off your computer before midnight. Thank you. Thank you, Dasha. Very inspiring talk, I'd say. We now have about like 15 minutes for questions. So a lot of time keep them coming. The mics are open for you. I also wanted to, if there's people who have, the people who have the Vasumea or the lawnmower at home, I would like to talk with you about it. Or in general, just your experience from this time and now just with tech because this is my main big interest. Yeah. I have a question. I have a background in dance and theater. And so I wonder in the community I come from, I see you two times with Adidas. And so I wonder what you see, I deal with the Adidas. Because the community I come from, you just don't do like that, you don't. Well, there's two things about that jacket. Okay. First of all, it's a vintage Adidas jacket. And when you move in it, you feel like, like you feel kind of like a superhero. And I think this is an important part of standing up in front of a bunch of people and explaining how sound synthesis works. And also, I teach a lot of electronics related courses and sometimes it's fucking boring. And I somehow feel that if I get up there and sort of like remind people that there's something exciting going on, they'll somehow be part of my take part in the discussion more. So it wasn't a new Adidas jacket. It was very old. And yeah, it was to make myself feel good and to encourage people to watch me and the machine. It was a tactic like that. Too bad I didn't bring it again. So, do we have another question? Yeah, Mike for throne two, please. I just, do you think someone could fit his head inside the thing and like how heavy is it? Everybody puts it on their head. They get confused when they have like the turbo one with three slots. Now what's interesting though, is that the material that it's made out of varies quite a lot. There's some that's very hard plastic and some that's very light. You could wear it to your next fight club if you want to scare somebody. You could wear it, yeah. Putting it on top of my head and maybe put another one on top of that. Just like try working out with some lights and turning stuff. I see where we're going here. I see where we're going. I've got quite a few if you ever wanted to test it out. I personally won't go that route with the performative thing, but yeah, I think it could be fun if somebody else did it. Yes, thanks for this question. I think we have a question from- Anyone on fashion related questions? Yeah, I like those two. I think we have a question from the internet. Yes, first of all, of course, everybody should invest in lawn mowers now because the prices will rise, I think, after this talk. Sven G is asking, what machines are you going to build in the future? Are there any upcoming projects? Of course, there's always many machines that I'm thinking about. The next one being the record player, but there's also, from learning about Sideman, I really dove into this world of vacuum tubes, and there's a vacuum tube that's called the mercury rectifier. It's quicksilver, and the way it generates electrons is it heats up mercury, and this beautiful blue cloud glows. It's really fascinating to look at, but it's also kind of creepy to think that these were heavily used in industry up to 100 years ago. And now they're just sort of not used anymore, and they're kind of hanging out, and I want to track where these things might be because mercury is a bit of a problem sometimes if it's not contained. So I think I might be looking into mercury rectifiers, but I never know. Sometimes you just come across something, and then it just takes my inspiration. Yeah, thanks. Mike, number one, please. All right, sort of building on that, on future ideas, and the lawnmower that's run from a drill motor. Do you have any ideas of these kinds of combinations that we could be doing in our lives or in, yeah? Not yet, but I mean, I would like to maybe work with my students specifically on this topic in a seminar or do workshops where it's specifically on smashing two things together or more, yeah, do you have any ideas? That's why I'm curious. No, not yet. But I really like this idea of something becoming repurposed and being worked through in another way. Okay, and Mike, number four, please. Hi, thank you for the talk. It was very inspirational. I have a silly question. If you could only work on one machine for the rest of your life, what would that be? What kind of question is that? Well, I mean, here's the thing, like a machine can be many things, right? Like a wedge that, like it's, yeah, I don't know. A slinky? I'm not sure. The Sidemen was really fulfilling. There's so many parts to it that I could potentially work with that again. I mean, I also work very extensively for with sound and electromechanics with the 555 timer. And this gets me really far as far as pushing it for in many different ways. This is an integrated circuit that's, you can create a clock of different frequencies with, and it's all over the place. So this one I would say is the one that I've really gotten, like I could almost build in my sleep. So, yeah, that maybe will be the 555 timer. Thank you. Yeah. Thanks, sir. We have another question from the internet. CBM users asking, have you ever seen a KC-85, which is a computer from the German Democratic Republic? I haven't seen it yet, but I want to. Yeah, no, not yet. Right, thanks. Mic number two, please. Hi, thanks. You know I love your work. I'm just wondering, because there's a bit of socialism missing from this project, and I'm wondering if you have thought about what record you will use on the record. Yeah, good question. I have no idea yet. I have no, I don't know. Maybe I have to build a lathe to cut a record and then go from there. I'm not sure. This is what's keeping me up at night, by the way. Yeah, this is number four, please. Hello, Darsha. This is the first I see of your work, and I think it is amazing, so you got a new follower. And also, have you done these kinds of projects with like, modern tech, post 2000? No, not normally, post 2000, garbage, you waste. Okay, one thing that often gets dissected in workshops that I do is the three-in-one printer, because that thing's full of really useful parts. But otherwise, I just look at something that's SM, like surface mount components. I'm like, you are boring. So not so much there, or do I? Yeah, no, I'm mainly interested in things that have motors. So the three-in-one scanner printer thing is a pretty big deal. I did a workshop where one of the students stripped it down and built like this, and there was ink left over, and he built like a post-apocalyptic tattoo parlor slash machine. I didn't stick around for the part where it might make tattoos, but yeah, yeah. Again, number four, please. Hi, Darsha. Thank you first of all for pointing out the wife acceptance factor bullshit, and also showing Naomi Wu, whose work also I think is really great and weird and provokes, of course, a lot of discourse, also in the feminist movement, I guess, whatever. But I was wondering, as of course statistics still show that there's less female engineers and stuff like that. How do you consider your role, female role model function and what is it with your students? Are there a lot of female students and what do you do, especially to encourage girls? I don't do much other than just show up. I think in the education bubble, if I'm there teaching, there's just generally, in the art school at least, there's generally young women and men. I try to make a space that really encourages like failure is just as important as a success because this is an important, like I feel like a lot of people don't necessarily recognize that like when you're doing this kind of thing, like of course you're going to break something and that's sometimes the way that you learn. And yeah, just also, I think that there's this idea that we have about how electronics needs to be taught. Like you need to do Ohm's Law first and you need to do this in these equations. And I'm like, to me, this is not how I learned it. I learned, I walked into it backwards. I was an AV technician at school and I had to learn how to use a multimeter that had like a needle. And I didn't know what the hell I was doing. So I just spent a lot of time inventing things and then eventually came around to figuring out how it worked. So it's more about an exploration and discovery and also knowing that you can look for patterns instead of thinking that you need to know a theory. And sometimes if something's not working right but it's doing something, maybe that's interesting enough and you can build artwork around that. Yeah. Yes, I think we have another question from the internet. Yes, it might be your next big project because the stream is asking, would you be interested in participating in a lawn mower army workshop at the next computer camp? I, okay, wait. Is there a prize? I think they are more talking about why fair access points on lawn mowers and other things. Oh, okay. And of course, blinking lights. Yeah, of course. Of course I'm interested in making an army with these guys. Why wouldn't I be? Yeah, this is a great idea. Yeah. I think. Okay, so no questions anymore. Then I say thank you all for these fun and interesting questions. And most importantly, thank you, Dasha, again, for this great talk. And it's such a pleasure to have you here. Let's give her a last round of applause. Yeah.