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Hey, it's Lewis, welcome to the podcast. Enjoy our conversations anytime, anywhere. Cool, we're live. Ally, thanks for coming in. It's a pleasure. How are you enjoying your sparkling wine? It's really nice and nutritious, you know. Wine's part of the Mediterranean diet showing to reduce cardiovascular risk. Is that true? Yeah, literally. Amazing, it's made of grapes so it's all good. So did you come all the way from Bristol? I didn't. I came from my home in London but I broke up from university yesterday. I've been on my psychiatry rotation. Psychiatry rotation? Yeah. You've been analysing me. Yeah, the whole time. What year are you in? I'm in fourth year. And you've got five years. Yeah, so an ultimate year. March 2021, hopefully Dr. Jaffee. Nice. We pray. And you always wanted to be a doctor, like how did you enter it? Always, since primary school, in the yearbook at the end of primary school, I must have written it when I was like four or five. Said, what do you want to be when you're older? And I said, doctor, no idea why. Nice. Just came from within. Nice, love that, love that. And why did you want to do Nutritank, your business, which we speak about now, as well as studying? Is it not hard enough just to do uni, do well, become a doctor? Yeah, that's what my mum says. Well, essentially, I took a gap year before I started medical school and I just fell in love with food and eating it, looking at it, taking pictures of it. And on my travels, I was exploring different things and I was seeing lots of different cultures and food and I started to think about the kind of cultural and emotional side of food. And then when I realized, oh, I'm actually going into a health profession, I really want to know more about the health benefits of food. And so I started educating myself on it before I even got to medical school, lots of podcasts, books, research papers. And then I got to med school and in our supposed nutrition teaching, I was really stunned that I really wasn't learning much about what I'd read and just the kind of wider benefits that food and healthy lifestyle can have. I was just really learning about the anatomy of the digestive system, the biochemistry, the physiology and not really how to clinically apply nutrition. So how to have a conversation with your patient, with your family member, with your friend who just, you know, won't stop eating cake. And I was just quite stunned. And then I came across Ian, my lovely co-founder who's just finished his finals. It seems to be a doctor in March. So you met early on at uni? Yeah, so in my second year, I started a nutrition and medicine in chess group and he's a post-grad student. So he started his medical degree in my second year and his is shorter. And so he came along to like one of the meetings I was holding and we just got chatting and he was just like, like, what are your goals with this? And I started talking and I am quite a blue sky thinking. He was like, no, let's just do this. Let's like make a national movement about it. Awesome, awesome. Then I was born, really. So what is it exactly? So Nutritank is an information and innovation hub for food, nutrition and lifestyle. And our current aim at the moment is to promote the need for greater nutrition and lifestyle training within medical education. So that's at universities for medical students? Yeah, absolutely. But also we've got a lot of junior doctors on our team and members and they get very little as well as post-graduates because your learning never stops when you're a medic. You're taking exams until you're 80. My friend's a heart surgeon. He's like 41. And I think he's just finished his last exam or something. It's crazy. It's crazy. So interesting. And so why did you feel it was important to set this up and teach your fellow medics about nutrition and healthy living and stuff? Well, essentially, I from personal experience have just seen how beneficial to my mood, to my energy, eating welles. And I just kind of wanted to spread the word from that aspect without preaching. And then the evidence from the scientific research was so compelling that I just really wanted to make this as kind of mainstream as possible and really wanted to dispel the myths around food and the myths around the nutritional science as being a pseudoscience, which is completely ridiculous. And so many medics will say it, which drives me mad. But... So what they don't believe? They say it's a pseudoscience. What, nutrition? Yeah, because the evidence isn't as compelling as, you know, cardiothoracic research papers or whatever. And it's just outrageous, to be honest. There's some latest of good stuff. And there's just been a new journal that's been launched. It's between the British Medical Journal, the fantastic journal, and Nedpro, who are one of our collaborators. They're a nutritional think tank in Cambridge. And they've just launched a journal called BMJ Nutrition and Prevention. So all the good quality evidence around food will be in there if people say, you know, where do we look for this stuff? You know, it's not the Daily Mail, that's for sure. Yeah, yeah, yeah. So essentially from my own experience and from like family members, like changing their life, like kind of getting out of the pre-diabetes phase, I just thought, you know, this needs to go to more patients. And then I started doing more research, speaking to clinicians, have had GPs tell me that 80% of patients that walk through their door have lifestyle-related conditions. And I was like, wow, you know, gotta keep going with this. It's crazy. And I love all that. I love that. I'm really into it. I do a lot of CrossFit. Oh, nice. In up in Toughendall Park. So it's like a strength and conditioning, weightlifting, high-intensity stuff. And then you get really into your like health as well. It's great. I mean, like, because once you start exercising, you really like think about what you put in your body. Yeah, of course. The problem is that it's a bloody minefield. I mean, we're speaking to my colleague, Adiola. Apparently you're gonna put on the back of packets how, like, what exercise you need to do to burn off the Pacific Hallows that you're gonna eat. I think that is the worst idea for like body positivity and just general mental health for this country because there is that saying and I believe it's so much you can't outrun a bad diet. At the end of the day, your organs, your microbiome are being damaged by, you know, processed foods. And to put that on food labeling mainstream will really just feed into, you know, orthorexia, this huge thing at the moment with clean eating and people. So what is it exactly? Orthorexia, it's like a, it's actually like a new term that's come to light with all this clean eating stuff that we see by influencers on Instagram and social media. So clean eating being? So essentially clean eating actually being a bit of a mental health issue because it's not that you are completely restricting food in your diet. It's that you are so panicky about the nutritional quality and you end up just becoming a bit too obsessive. And like the idea of having, you know, a slice of dreamy chocolate cake is just a no-no. But it's all about balance really. And to put that on messaging, I think, for kids, for adults, it's just, you make so many decisions about your food per day as it is. I just don't think. It's a mind field. Yeah, that's crazy. Have you been watching like these vegan documentaries like Game Changers? Yeah. What do you think about them? Cause I watched them and then I just feel the science a lot of the time is so flaky. I just find with all these documentaries, I don't actually watch many of them because I just find myself rather watching film and like reading papers on nutrition because you shouldn't be getting your health advice from documentaries and they tend to be so biased. Very true. And like you said, the science is sometimes quite shaky. Very shaky. One of our affiliate team members, Alan Flanagan, who's a brilliant clinical nutritionist, he has done a great Instagram post, which I'll show you after, about the science on the Game Changers documentary. I listened to a really interesting podcast. I've completely, it was Joe Rogan's podcast. I can't remember the guy's name, but it's just so easily debunked. And they associate, I had Arnold Schwarzenegger. That's my point. They get these like influences and then everyone gets brainwashed. Arnold Schwarzenegger did not become like whatever so big from eating a vegan diet. Steroids, meat, I mean, you know. No, I very much like 80% plant-based, but I eat good quality animal products. And I did. So what's your kind of like normal nutrition then? So I love veg. So in Bristol, where I live, I've got an amazing fruit and veg shop. I can get all my fruit and veg for five pounds every week. And each week I try and try like a different funky veg. It's really good of you. When I was at uni, I was not eating healthy like that. There is the odd delivery here and there. I can't lie to you. But no, I love cooking. Like my housemates like love that I love cooking cause they get to try all this stuff. But I eat 80%, I cook veg. So I cook veggie, but when I go out, like tonight, it's my anniversary. I'm going to a lovely barbecue meat restaurant in Soho. And it'll be a lovely treat. I view like meat as a treat. And also having self-comparance, I think my dad disowned me. Yeah, definitely. So do you eat it like maybe once a week? A little bit. Yeah, like if that. I'm a fish. Fish, I definitely need to eat more of. I just always have a struggle with fish. Yeah, I don't love fish. Oh, okay, fair enough. I've de-forced myself. It's very good for you. It's great for you. I know. I've just, since I was a kid, I've just never been a fish person. So you like, when you go out to restaurants, usually vegetarian and... It just all depends what's on the menu. And where I'm at, if I'm at like a farm, I love farm to table restaurants and like, exploring the UK. There's not many of them there. No, but where I am in like Bristol and like Somerset, like lovely places to explore, I know it's good quality meat and great eggs. I'm going to go for it. But you know, in places where I'm a bit shaking on it. I'll go for Tesco or Sainsbury's. Yeah, no, I'll go for it. Are you the normal student? And most other students, like you, or are they just eating like, crap sandwiches? Um... McDonald's, yeah. But what's the norm at the moment? I mean, it is very kind of varied between medics. My housemates are really good, I'd say. And we like, love eating together. We've got a lovely kitchen table. And so we're often like, you know, team up and cook together. And like, we had an amazing Christmas dinner. There are some uni students who just don't have the cooking skills, but I'm actually involved with this amazing initiative at Bristol with a doctor called Dr Liz Thompson. She's a huge supporter of Nutritank and she managed to get the funding. We've had a discussion about it for years, like for three years now. She's managed to get the funding for this initiative called Food & Mood. So the Bristol Pastoral Support Team have teamed up with her organisation, National Centre for Intuitive Medicine, to create this Food & Mood course for Bristol University students, not just medics, where a kitchen's rented out. You go, you cook an amazing meal. Each week is a different theme. And then you all eat it together. And then, because Liz is a doctor, she gives you the nutritional benefits around it. Amazing, amazing. Do a lot of people go to that? So it's had an amazing turnout. I've been there every Wednesday. I missed this Wednesday, unfortunately. But the sad thing is, it's all female. Really? Yeah. By design or just another guy's turnout? I don't know if mental health is such a barrier with guys to talk about at the first place. But are they talking about, so you're cooking and talking about mental health? Yeah, like it's not like strictly mental health. It's like, how do you feel when you have this meal? Obviously, yeah, yeah. And just learning about food that benefits sleep. There is a mental health that's not heavy. Guys are really bad at talking. I just did a podcast about paternal postnatal depression. Roughly about the same number of men as women get postnatal depression. Oh, wow. That is so underreported. Like, yeah. So the guy, great, great doctor, Dr. Viram Swamy, and he's doing a lot of research and he experienced postnatal depression himself and then started researching it. But it's interesting because for men, like when you have a kid, you're supposed to be like pillar of the family. You need to go out and support your family. Mostly, you're back at work within two weeks. So some companies are offering longer paternity leave, but then you get frowned upon. A friend of mine wanted to take six months off and his boss was like, really? You sure you want to take six months? So there's a lot of stigma attached to it. And most guys, and we were talking about it the other day, I mean, it's very rarely do you sit with your mate and say, hey, man, how are you feeling? I do it all the time. You do, yeah, it's great, it's great. But we don't. No, just voice note. My friend's calling to me, like, oh, 40 minute voice. We're just like, hey, man, how are you doing? Great, you? Yeah, wicked, let's go. You know, like never, it's like actually, mate, I'm not really feeling very good today. Like it's really rarely. Unless there's something that's like triggered the conversation. So there are some triggers and stuff, but seeking help for men is really tough. I think food, obviously food has a massive impact. Often, I do like intermittent fasting now. So in the mornings, I always felt a little bit sluggish if I ate breakfast and stuff. And so I do, like, I like eat again. So I finished eating at six or seven PM and I eat again at about 12. And I feel really good. I do maybe four, five days a week or something. And it works pretty well, yeah. Yeah, there's a lot of research going on with like chronology and nutrition at the moment. But nothing's like clear cut at the moment because everything is for the individual. And so it's hard to, you know, make guidelines or statements on you should all intermittent fast. For me, if I don't have breakfast, I feel very sick. Really? I have to have breakfast. When I was on, I was on anesthetics before psychiatry. I had like six AM make-ups to get there for like pre-op. I had to have breakfast. Do you have to have three meals a day? So? Do you have to have three meals a day? No, I could easily have two meals a day. Breakfast is my most important meal. Really? I'm like lunch, I'm never starving at lunch. I could never stick breakfast. I mean, I never stick dinner. Oh, dinner, yeah. Dinner is really hard to skip. But otherwise, if you go to bed hungry, like feel rough all night, yeah. The interesting thing also is that everyone's different. I mean, we'll react a bit differently to different foods. Exactly. And you do get a lot of people that push certain types of diets, whether it's intermittent fasting, there's a carnival diet. Some people are doing it. They just eat meat or whether it's vegan or plant-based. Be nice that once more, more studies are done, just to like chill out a little bit and let people... But that's the thing. People can just do really what suits them and you have to take into cultural, you have to take into account cultural considerations, religion, family dynamics. And to be honest, there is no one right diet. The general principles that everyone should be living by and like Dr. Rupi Orchard talks about all the time is have variety, lots of colors on your plate. So fiber from vegetables. And if you are vegan, you have to be a wise vegan. You have to know what supplements you need. You can't just do it willy-nilly. You have to do your research. And if you want to continue to eat meat and poultry, whatever, I would just recommend going for good sources. And do you supplement or anything? I don't take supplements. No, I don't either. I think you can get everything from a really good balanced diet. Yeah, that's true. I wonder about like exercise and movement and all of those things. Are you into that stuff? I'm very into that stuff. I'm very fussy though. About what you exercise? Yeah. All of the options. So my mom's a Pilates teacher. Oh nice. She's been a mom for like 25 years. Cool. So I grew up with that. Love Pilates and love yoga. Like those are my two passions. I love yoga so much because it's the only thing I can do and not have a single thought. It's like my mindfulness because especially with the balancing exercises, my entire focus is on not falling down. It's great yoga. What type of yoga do you like to do? I love vinyasa. Vena sifle. Yeah, vinyasa's good. I've done bitcrown quite a lot. I really do. In the hot room? Don't love it. It's a killer. It's like an hour and a half. It's just swatting. It was interesting. I started doing it like 12, I'm actually maybe 15 years ago, bitcrown. And I was like probably the only guy in the building. And now it's kind of 50-50 now. I think exactly. I think it's so good for guys because you get like such good muscle quality rather than like working with superficial muscles in the gym like you really get to the core. No, I think it's brilliant. Yeah. Do you do any like high impact stuff? Or weightlifting or anything? No, it's not for me. Some doctors swear by it. It's just not for me. Well, my wife, I'll tell you my story. So she was osteoporotic and various like medications she was taking and stuff. So she started CrossFit eight months ago. I was trying to get into the CrossFit. She's a women's health physio. Oh, amazing. And all her physios were like, oh, don't do CrossFit, it's so many injuries. I was like, you're physios, you only ever see people when they're injured. And yeah, you get injured doing exercise and stuff. Anyway, so I eventually got it to start. And so CrossFit is basically weightlifting, gymnastics and cardio. Like those three things and it's variety of different exercises. So she went to the doctor for a bone scan last week and in eight months, she's reversed it. So she's not osteoporotic anymore. And her bone density and her back increased by 10% and 5% increase in her hip. That's amazing. Crazy. That's the power of weight strengthening. Yeah. I do that in Pilates and yoga. Yeah. You can do it in different ways. You can do different ways. Because a lot of people, they talk negatively about high impact stuff. I don't like high impact because I've got scoliosis and I have just such a sense to back. And so I'm so mindful about lifting anything whether that's my back. I've slipped three discs in my back. Oh my God. Yeah. They like degenerate them. You've got to be careful. That's the thing, you have to just stick with what suits you. You have to see what suits you but you have to do stuff. Yeah. And I love swimming as well and climbing. Climbing is good. I've been taking my daughter climbing actually. Oh wow. Where did you go? The castle in Finsbury Park. I used to go there with school. It's amazing. Yeah, it's really cool. They've just built a new floor underneath or something. There's like four floors. That was my option at school. I never liked the team sport stuff. It wasn't for me. Like the netball and stuff. Are you still doing climbing? A bit here and there. I did a course recently because I forgot how to belay. So I did that and I still. I needed the belay course. She loves it. She's fine. But my co-founder in like the students he finished his finals went bouldering straight away. It's like his like dying hard thing. He's got the shoes. He's got all the gear. I need to get into it. But there's so many things I want to get into. It's really good climbing. I was working with Child and Adolescent Mental Health Services in Bristol this week. And I was with this really cool psychotherapist who'd just been on this conference in Austria about climbing therapy. Wow. So using climbing as like a therapeutic kind of thing. Mindfulness thing almost. Yeah, but to promote like team working skills, confidence in yourself, mindfulness, all that kind of thing. Yeah. The exercise is great. Because like with you and your yoga you get into your flow and you don't think about anything else. Yeah, literally. I get that with, you know, if there's a barbell on the floor and you can't be bothered to lift it up and all you're thinking about is trying to lift this barbell. Yeah. I get this from running. I do marathons and stuff. And then I get into my flow. Yeah. Just thoughts come in and out and it's really, it's really good. Especially on a busy day at work and there's loads of things going on. It's like nice just to... To decompress. Yeah. Why isn't all this taught at school or university then? I know. I think it needs to just go straight into primary school. Like from the onset. Was it ever taught in your school? Primary school or secondary school? No. I honestly don't remember doing anything that beneficial. What was school dinners like? I was a really fussy eater as a kid. My mom made me pack lunch every single day until I don't even know what age. I didn't even know school dinners ever. My kid's like... My kid's vegetarian at school and she can choose what she eats and she chooses like rubbish. She's like five and a half. But unless the teacher's like put the vegetables on her plate and put this on that she'll come back and she'll be like yeah, I had like another baked potato with baked beans. Like that's your fifth baked potato with baked beans this week. Why are you eating? You know. That you've got to be... Yeah, it's got to start so early. It's a cultural system change because you can't be that naggy parent because my parents are those naggy parents. Like sometimes... You can't be but it has to be within the system and the culture. Like healthy food is yummy. But if you're not getting at school. Yeah, exactly. And then yeah, you're right. If your parents are saying it you're like going to do the opposite. So I need to send my daughter to you and you can sort her out and the other one as well. Yeah, no, but there's this amazing organisation. You should follow them on Instagram. So I met them at this conference I recently spoke at College of Medicine and they're called the Edible Explorers and it's a schoolteacher in Burnley who has started it and she basically does cooking and food preparation with the kids. Oh nice. And you know, there's all that like neuroses around like kids with knives and stuff but she's got you know, the safe-cutting knives and like you should be able to know how to prepare food and cut vegetables at a young age because when you get to uni if you go to uni, you don't have to do that. Yeah, yeah, yeah. You know, we do that with... I've got two daughters and then we do that with both of them. Like we make my nice banana pancakes or we're like making smoothies. It's really good fun. Yeah, so she's doing that at school and the kids did the presentation at the conference. They got on stage and they were like, I've never heard of an overgene before. And it was just, yeah. Gotta get on the curriculum. You need to start working your way down the education system. I know. Right now what we're doing is obviously dealing with the chronic illness crisis but we also are absolutely passionate about prevention. Yeah, yeah. It's just a bit of a minefield really because it really needs to be like a cultural belief kind of shift, like a real paradigm shift for education to kind of be widespread around it. You'd think that maybe naively that people who are choosing to be a doctor, medicine is a career, would be all over this stuff because medicine's about curing the sick also improving the healthiest lives. I agree with that completely. I mean, yeah. It's a really complicated one. Some doctors turn away from it because they view it as a pseudo-science and they don't have an interest in it in themselves and they weren't taught it themselves. So it's very hard to be interested in something if you haven't actually been a part of the like, you know, kind of amazing materials that are out there. And we're kind of in an aisle and the doctors in our network and the dieticians in our network, we are all in our echo chambers thinking like, wow, this stuff is amazing. But then big picture is mainstream, you know, you get these stigma-cutting names like mainstream doctors aren't as interested in it because they've been taught to work within a short consultation period and to prescribe, prescribe, prescribe. We're in the National Institute of Care and Excellence which is a governing body who chooses what guidelines doctors use for different specialties. So they're nice guidelines for all the different specialties for every chronic illness. The first line management is advice on diet and lifestyle and it's just always really either skipped because we've done surveys as to why it's skipped. Oh, so it's in the guidelines. It's in the guidelines, it's just not performed. We've done surveys with doctors to kind of ascertain why it is and it's because not due to lack of time which is the most interesting thing because so many people's bite back is we only have this amount of time right now. It's because they weren't educated about it in the first place so it's not just role of the tongue information. Okay, yeah. Whereas if you were educated in it from like first year, second year of medical school it just becomes another thing in your tool kit. Yeah, definitely. And it's just automatic and you find a way to just integrate it and yes, you probably won't have time to do a full motivational interviewing assessment on helping someone make sustainable change but they can come back, they can book in for a double appointment. You know, they can go from social prescribing they can go to a cooking class. There are resources. You can prescribe them a cooking book, prescribe them a recipe. There are so many things one can do and I always think it's better to do something than nothing and so many people are resistant because it's too hard because there aren't clear cut things going on. But also they don't really have a holistic approach to medicine. It takes three weeks to get a GPU appointment. You go in, they rush you out. If they're old school and inverted commas they won't start thinking about these things. Exactly. They're the young doctors coming up. Hopefully this is gonna be like the standards. Yeah. We hope to really create a ripple effect. It's going well though. We've got a lot of people on board. We've got like 25 medical schools in the country with Neutral and Ranchers. And what do you do exactly? You provide like seminars and training for the students at the universities. So essentially it's out of our relationship. It's like a little elective thing. Yeah. It's basically to showcase to their faculty look how much interest we have, look how enthused people are, make it mainstream and it helps medical students like decide what kind of path they wanna go down. So they invite dieticians, nutritionists, public health experts, doctors with an interest in nutrition and lifestyle to deliver talks, workshops, you name it. And it's brilliant. They're so passionate. It's amazing what our branches are doing. We're really trying to promote health entrepreneurship as well. I think it's amazing. So each leader at the branch just does their own thing. Amazing. Well done. That's really cool. Will it get on the curriculum eventually? We hope so. Essentially it's getting there. So we were asked by the Association for Nutrition who have been tasked by the General Medical Council to sit on their interprofessional working groups. This is like two or three years ago now. After we had this BBC article come out about doctors and medical students not being taught enough about nutrition. So they are currently doing an update on the current UK undergraduate medical school curricula to integrate more. But this is a very top-down approach and something is being done. It's just going to take a while before it gets implemented. But that's why Nutrition takes a bottom-up approach as well. So our branches are basically acting hustle hubs to say to their faculty members, hey, look, we've got these experts wanting to teach us. Why can't they give some lectures? Yeah. And it's working. Bristol have just changed their curriculum after like 10 years and they've got more people coming in and doing stuff. There's more, especially choice modules around nutrition and lifestyle medicine. And there are other medical schools, like Super-Enthused, Imperial, have just had lifestyle medicine training. UCL have signed on with Conorine Medicine, Dr. Rupi Orgulas, Social Enterprise to get cooking and nutrition training for a whole year of medicine. It feels like a no-brainer. Yeah, it really is. It's just, unfortunately, each medical school is autonomous. Each curriculum is different. We all become doctors and we all know the same thing, but things are done at different stages in the course. People have different experts. So it's very hard to go boom, trickling, trickling, trickling. Are any other countries doing this? Yeah. We've actually got ambassadors on our website. We've got ambassadors in Poland and the Netherlands. And we've got Australian friends. And is it not in the curriculum either? No. America? No. So America are good in a way. So they're a little bit more advanced, for example. There's a lot of plant-based stuff going on in America and they've got Colourine Medicine came from America. So that came from New Orleans today in medical school. Love to go to New Orleans. Oh, I went last September. It was great. Food was shocking. Oh, really? Couldn't find a good meal anywhere. It's because you're blessed being in London. It was just dreadful. But I love it as a place. And I love jazz. It's my favorite music. I love jazz. I need to go down there. The States are definitely ahead, but there's still so many medical schools. It's not completely unanimous, trickle-trickle. Cool. And what are the plans for the future? So you've got to do one more year of medicine. Exactly. And become a doctor. Kara and Nita Trank. Do you both? Yeah, definitely. So we've really built up a wonderful team now and we're never really going to fully pass this torch down because we want to be found as for as long as possible. But we're going to obviously delegate more and more with our clinical practice. And each other will always be something we're part of. And I want to integrate into my practice as much as possible because I really want to be a psychiatrist. And I think there's so much you can do with food and mental health. And I'd love to be able to take a holistic approach and really help my future patients with like food and exercise, meditation and all of that. And so we really are ambitious and we really want to be like the leading hub for food, nutrition and lifestyle. And our new website is newly finished being developed and we've got this really cool interactive map. Is that for just medical students or can anyone? No, it's for anyone. Oh, nice. So you can be a non-healthcare professional member, medical student member, and then a healthcare professional member. We've got all different plans. Awesome. Do you have like meal plans and? Oh, no, plans and like membership plans. Okay, fine. In terms of like the cost is different. Oh, okay. And then you get like information about nutrition. Yeah, information course, online courses you can do. We've had people give us discounts to their nutrition courses. So like one of our university have an amazing nutrition and medicine course and we've got this map that basically shows you where like amazing food charities and food banks and sustainable farms are in the UK, cafes, et cetera. So you can see what city you're in, see where a nutrient branches or where a cafe is that's, you know, got healthy food and you can add yours to it as well. Nice. Yeah. Amazing. You're doing really well. Congratulations. Thank you so much. How can people find you? So you can find us on Instagram. It's Nutritank underscore official, Twitter also Nutritank official. So that's for our mainstream accounts. There's also Nutritank accounts for each different branch and each different location. Okay, so you can follow your local university. Exactly. And like us on Facebook as well as please visit our website and if you want to come. Nutritank.com. Cool. Awesome. Thanks for coming in. Yeah, it's an absolute pleasure. Thank you for having me. Pleasure. 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