 We're closing this now that they were Frustrated which I understand very much and I mean so they think that you know We're gonna be living as scavengers of whatever hardware platforms others have and try find the one that we can somehow make use of Still and we're gonna you know somehow try to work around the biggest problems. There's Attempts to somehow, you know get Like you know the management engine ripped out or you know flash it with something that you know exit Actually no longer functional. There's a chance to somehow you know Find ways to make that hardware support what we need And guys from rep to engineering are understandably I think Frustrated about that when we have such a better choice Plus it's not where they think we should be going and I agree because I Don't want to be a second-class citizen in a Forgive me, but this one is I cannot leave in a US culture-dominated world I Don't think second-class citizen is very good status to have in that kind of world. I think we want an Actual world where we can get to build things that are Ahead of the state of the art That also reflects our value In other words, I mean usually CEOs tell their staff don't build stargates In this case, I Think should build one. I Think we should aim high I Do believe that we as a community Should understand that they're currently a turning point When power can succeed and It does on some fields high-performance computing scientific computing. It's actually very successful there It can still drift off in areas that are useless to us It still fail, of course Although by this point in time the critical mass seems to be there, but the point is Will it be our ally? Will it be our? platform of the future and That is something that we get to determine right I believe that as of right now Open power is our last as hope for an actual strong hardware platform That we can determine that we can influence That we can shape and build and disassemble and rebuild and keep doing the things with that we want to do So here's what I want you to do All right, I did this with a different font now this broke. Um doesn't matter So I want you to get involved in the whole open power thing. I Want you to think about that platform when you build your software? In fact, I want you to play With a platform with your software. There's actual programs from IBM, which is currently producing on the chips or mass That you can actually get access to hardware for free soft projects at much much better conditions If you're interested in that and I will gladly hook you up with the right people and make sure that somehow we get your boxes Because I think we should get involved in this I Do want you to help spread the word I mean most in our community that I have spoken to for the past year of this Had never heard of this had never thought about this and had never actually come across this before They didn't know it existed For some reason IBM tries to communicate something It ends up being a really well kept secret. They are horrible at communication Um We need to grab this and make it ours In fact, that's what we started doing. I mean we did an event series with IBM and read together last year to show The first actual top-to-bottom fully open collaboration stack, right? So call up on top as your as your security fully open solution read as a platform and underneath power First time this is possible. We thought it was exciting. We said let's tell people about it And being in Brussels right now Here's something that I've done over the past month now comic Brussels regularly If you're involved in any way shape or form in This group Be it as you know, somehow someone who's a staffer or Working on a tea staff or knowing someone who is See here's why I think that the Brussels bubble as it is also lovingly Should think about Look at this statement So, I mean I I only took out the parts to make anonymized So you wouldn't be able to tell immediately where this comes from. This is a statement from website So without the joint program of development and production Europe would be left trailing the wake of the Americans who Dominated the industry and look set to consolidate their supremacy European firms would become little more than subcontractors to American manufacturers Hundreds of thousands of jobs could be at risk European economy would be dependent on the United States This is not about the industry. I took this website of a pretty well-known large company this one Airbus was the European reaction to The dominance of the US in the entire air transport industry It was deemed strategically important enough That we needed to do this and build a platform that we could trust That we could work with that be European That would also protect our ability to innovate and our independence as an economy now Planes and the entire aerospace industry are undoubtedly extremely vital and important However, I believe information technology is even more so Perhaps even orders of magnitude because frankly These guys to be on us now Whatever is true for them is clearly true for us as well so I leave what we as a region is speaking as a European here Should be doing although I think other regions in the world might want to consider doing the exact same thing We should get involved in the whole open power story and start building our own You know start building our own chips again and Have a technology base which we can actually rely And if you think that's unrealistic, let me just tell you that's exactly what the Chinese have done Um China is now building its own old power chips They're building the processor Because it is open design what they did was they took out the bits that are US crypto that they didn't buy trust and Put in their own crypto bits that they did trust and building those chips for themselves Because it's the only way that they understand they can be sovereign I believe we should do the same and So should probably every other major region. I mean not every country will be likely able to do this I think region should get together and do this Let's take back control at that level too So this is more or less. We want to leave you with I think for us as a community It is time to get to work Together because that is what we do best we are a Community of Technical people that knows how to actually solve very hard problems as a group Collectively because we know that we can do this as A global community That is the other part that I think we need to contribute to this because you see when you tell the European policymakers about this There's this tendency that they now have fortress Europe idea where everything must be only European Including like all the designs and everything, right? I don't think that that will ever work No single company No single region no single country will ever have all the smart brains in the world as a global population of human beings We can solve much better problems We can solve them in much better ways and for the benefit of all of us And so I think that is the approach we should be taking to this Let's work this together as we do for the soccer the free soccer movement is a global movement based on these principles Let's apply to harder. That's what I want to tell you Thank you. All right, we have a few minutes questions thoughts comments reactions Yes, I think you need the microphone. Yes Perfect on yes I interested in your answer from all your experience in the following question whenever there is a foundation like that Open open open. There's always a membership attached to that foundation where you have to pay several K US dollar to be member of it and to old and to build things So what would be your answer to the question? What's open about this? Well, so If you are an individual or an academic institution the open power membership is actually free There's no I saw this but you have a non-voting right. I saw it on the website So I don't know what it means really, but okay, you can't be an academic or an associate. I saw that but you are It's a very reduced sort of participation. For example, you can't vote. That's what I saw from the website So I was would just be interested in what open about this membership thing that all those foundation have go on Well, I mean so the point is is Voting about things like the bylaws or the membership fees for the industry members the only way you can or want to influence this I don't necessarily think so If you are involved in this professionally in some way, which is what most companies are right then membership fees are a natural part of of these associations because They organize events they have staff they they have a secret or these kind of things these have expenses need to be paid so the members themselves pay them I Agree that being able to participate more is always a good thing What I believe is that at the end the ability to engage in the design process and provide the input is extremely valuable and I Never said open power foundation was as it stands to deck perfect. I think it can improve it I think has to improve but the way we improve it is by getting involved is my experience Well, you have to pay for it. Okay, don't you think I'm just Okay, but when you have 60,000 When you have to pay 60,000 dollar to be get involved. I was just wondering about that. Okay. Thank you Well, you don't necessarily we don't pay the 60,000 Hi So I run a medium-sized center cloud couple of thousand or sorry I run sort of a medium-sized internal clouds about a couple of thousand cores and we went to our suppliers vendors we have multiple hard for vendors and ask for open power hardware to test and turns out that none of them Actually advertising they're selling them and the ones that do actually sell them You need to start with some kind of weird pilot program You cannot just go and buy some so so what is your experience with that? So, I don't know when that was this was like last month Interesting because I know that They've been trying which country was this the Netherlands. Okay Get in touch with sort that out because I mean I know that that shipping individual boxes Easily, I mean I know who didn't know who spoke to the problem. I mean I can tell you person I don't want to know more vendors for instance avnet is acting as a global distributor for power hardware They usually I happen to actually provide boxes through that program as well. We need a microphone Can you fix my desk up is it's using Intel? I want to use poor eight or nine and since the Dallas workstation failed Is there any possibility for us to get ships for computers or is it only for cloud computing? Well, so you can get the chips the problem is you need them everything else goes with them, right? Like, you know the actual Motherboard all that kind of stuff so Taylor's was trying to do just that Unfortunately, they didn't succeed. I hope they will be or someone else will try again Because I also want that kind of machine as my stop It would have been very very important for us for them to succeed they didn't but I don't think we should let that stop us Hi, thank you for the talk When will the x86 patterns expire? I mean surely must expire at some point in the distant future And to I don't think that how those project failed I think the crown for crowdfunding mechanism failed because why should there be a time limit on crowdfunding? Why don't we why don't we just considered an investment and then when the funds have reached the Signature point that is needed for the product and it goes off running. It's a stupid thing to have the tim limits I it's totally arbitrary. I Agree I Think I'm doing it in the way that it was done including with a time limit was perhaps not the best way of going about it For them, of course, it means because it failed. They got absolutely no money out of this So they are I mean they seem to be Busting themselves off right now From from what I can see in terms of communication and kind of try to figure out what to do I think if we set them a strong message of can you please know find a way to do this Because we want one Maybe we can convince them to come back Do the turtle not the hair slow and steady does And what about the pants the x86 patterns surely at some distant point in the future we can build our own x86 I mean I mean in 2,000 years for you. I mean in a billion years the past must be expired, right? sure Do they have like magic tricks to maintain the patterns forever well first of all? They're usually quite good stacking patterns on patterns, right? I mean they don't stop the filing for new ones so You will be able to I don't know you might be able to build 286 at some point But the question is whether you want to and so That's you know, we're we're looking at games of speed and scale with these things And that's I mean that's something you have learned the hard way Yes, sometimes that scale actually matters a lot So hello, thank you for the talk And I actually have two questions for questions the first question is well by which patterns and NDA you are bound in case you want to build your own open power implementation and The second question is more specific. What? Will you do in order to replace PCI Express which is heavily bound by Well, what of my piece and the patterns both PCI Express is current industry standards for convincing quiz peripherals and there is deeper transport, but Transport is mostly dead But well and there is nothing else which can be used in order to build truly open platform Okay, I had problems understanding full question, but so first of all the pattern question though The way that I'm set this up is effectively a you get the right to use this all But there's a certain level of non assertion in the sense of you're not attacking anyone And you're not using them aggressively and and you know, you're you're essentially saying play nice with each other Which actually the way it is done reminds me a lot of the way that the OIM was set up As a way to small work around the pet problem to make it, you know I mean we all know patterns are an issue But that's at least a way of trying to live with the problem So you can if if you become a member there, you can definitely use the technology if You're not one I I still believe You could get non assertion guarantees because the interest is not in a certain the patterns the interest in actually making technology take off And there's things like the open copy Standard and so on which are building the interface standards that are likewise open because a lot of the industry even the very big players have gone to understand that the Heron monopoly follows from certain patents creates issues for them That are much worse than the benefits are from holding maybe a patent or there on certain technologies themselves IBM has understood that If they were to try to assert all the patents on the power platform Then the platform would be dead that they have no way to get people engaged with this No one would want to make them subject to that kind of litigation So for them, it was a clear decent We want to give this out to the point that I know some companies have asked even for exclusive rights regional exclusive rights on building power chips and IBM said sorry. No can do. We don't have those rights anymore. They're in the foundation. So and the foundation is not gonna give this to you I don't have a question bike have some answers to the L questions So for the paid membership, no, there is an exception as an open source company You can get free membership, which gives you voting rights. Okay, it's very limited, but you still have voting rights as for getting Hardware boxes You can contact co-op or you can contact me I have actually boxes from IBM which I got to do development and I'm doing development on them You can actually rebuild everything from the Beginning from the firmware till the end, whatever you want. Thank you Thank you. We still have a couple of minutes. Maybe one question then, but it's actually completely done Hello, so I assume you do collaborative hardware development also So my question is how low level is this hardware development because I also work in the hardware scene And how do you deal with the cost associated with producing this hardware then? Well, I mean if you if you would design it you eventually need to build it there There is I mean if you want to use it anyway And Will involve cost however what you will find in an association such as over the open power foundation You will find others who may have an interest in sharing those costs with you if they have an interest in the actual platform That is what I believe instance Google and rec space are done with their job platform They've together developed a platform that they both want and so they share some of the cost Right, so you can actually come together to solve those issues or try to find one of the other hardware manufacturers in there And work with them to organize extra distribution Disarmament well It is as low as you want to go I mean it starts on the chip, right? Because in inside the chip there's also a lot of different components like just the memory component So you all look at the even at that level. Yeah, I mean the power 9 chip Changes the way it does its whole core design in sense of like how the different parallel cores are working and how they are In fact set up and configured They've changed that to be even more Useful for the use cases people were running on this in their data centers So power 9 actually reflects that change Yeah, hello, quick question. You'd like to know how others Open the power could relate to open compute projects and you have you thought about sharing a design with this group I think that's absolutely what should happen I want all the old hardware projects open compute project and so on I want this to start working together because We can design it But we also need ways to build it to distribute it to scale it to later service it So we need an ecosystem need infrastructure around this So let's use the one that exists and I'm out of time. Thank you all