 Do you have like any thoughts on like attributes of like some of the best project managers you've come across? Are there like common things you've noticed between them? So one of the things when I interview project managers I actually ask them they like to do puzzles because I think that's a key attribute because you're not only like jigsaw puzzles but like seductive or cluster puzzles because you're figuring out a problem coming on the fly. That's a big piece of it. The second thing is kind of a level of confidence. So when you talk to a customer and the world's falling apart around you you don't want to be in that kind of mess. You want to let the client know that I got this, we'll work through it, we'll straight it out, we'll get to a conclusion or a result and kind of have that calming effect that's important.